Define 'crippled' community version please? My understanding is that this is the full version, just USER limited, not feature...
And low potential returns on app development? Already over 110 million users of windows 10, it's been out for what, 3 months? 4? Not even had one Christmas yet, and there's still phones and Xbox to go yet...
I'd say that's a pretty big pool of potential right there...

82% market share v 3%. I don't think Google are too concerned

50p by easter

Would wanna wait for reviews of the phone. It seems alot more enterprise focused

this is the future of personal computing, but will wait until it is a little more r embedded and a standard for connecting to screens is decided upon I think

wasn't sure whether to go for the xl but (aside from the bigger screen), the slighter better processor and now this then yeah, it'd be my choice

This is what I will do when my old PC packs up :smiley: I think that phone is already more powerful than my oldy...

No idea whether it should be hot or cold, so haven't voted, but very interesting and thanks for posting.

This will probably be my next phone. Not going to jump in on the preorder if this offer is available through January though. I shall wait for some reviews and for it to be discounted [or decent topcashback] - it is a Microsoft product after all........

Gonna wait for reviews,but on paper this is a cracking phone.Not sure when its released though,anyone know

First half of December for UK folk from what I'm hearing. Most phones are powerful enough for general use as PCs nowadays and combined with a Windows platform you've got yourself a solid office machine, will take a few years but this may just be that prize horse that wins Microsoft a bigger slice of the phone market. Definitely will be a lot of interest from enterprise and business users, see if home market wants it though.

Good enough for any streaming as well, I've already been using my Samsung TV as a monitor to read news from my Dell Venue Pro 11 on Windows 10.

50p by easter

Great phone, would be a no brainer if it was running Android. Can't commit until apps get better

The start of Androids demise with this device

Yeah but you can't get the Windows environment that way, this is essentially a mini office PC in your pocket with the Windows 10 Contimuum. That's the theory anyway, can't say I've tried it myself.

It is not a full version of windows 10. It would be windows 10 phone with a "Desktop skin".

Surely they could have made the display dock look better.

Astonishing, game-changing concept - if it works!

Also Universal apps... Things are sure going to get interesting...

Looks awesome, shame its well over £500 though, wonder if it will plummet in value like the 1020

I can't believe that people are mad enough to spend over £500 on a phone. My car cost me a little less :smirk:

I used to have a Motorola Atrix phone 4 years ago that had a Lapdock and that was a pretty groundbreaking idea. I really thought it owuld take off more bcak then.But with modern day Windows Phones having full blown versions of Windows on them is just begging for something like this.

They don't but they are broadly compatible. The big issue though is that you need apps written for small screens otherwise it's irrelevant even if they did run desktop Windows 10.

My Motorola used to go from "Mobile Mode" to Desktop Mode" once it was docked. I'm guessing these will too. But I accept I may be wrong as no one can say for sure yet.

Had hands on with this at a seminar by Microsoft. Amazing bit of kit and can easily see this replacing laptops and some desktops at our work.

*Atrix

The crippled "Community" edition is hardly "giving it away" - they don't know "free". Don't see why we'd bother or any other dev if MS does not bankroll them (as they do some). How long before they drop it and launch something new while throwing users/devs under the bus?

As you say designing "universal" apps for phone & tablet is hard enough never mind potentially scaling to 24"+ high-dpi screens without making it too complex/large which penalises the lowest platform anyway. Sure you can make a quick demo but a proper app would be costly and in the light of low potential returns...

Pre order price is £529, why people voting hot? Are you mad or blind?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/mobile/phone/lumia950-xl/offers/

Define 'crippled' community version please? My understanding is that this is the full version, just USER limited, not feature...
And low potential returns on app development? Already over 110 million users of windows 10, it's been out for what, 3 months? 4? Not even had one Christmas yet, and there's still phones and Xbox to go yet...
I'd say that's a pretty big pool of potential right there...

Crippled in what ways?

It's not the same Desktop that you'd get with the full Windows 10 so it is a skin of sorts.
Link.

will work on lumia 640?

Does this mean we can actually install and run desktop pc programmes on the 950XL?

I wonder if you can use three all you can data and then display it on a monitor? (Like a sorta PC!)

That sucks.

Would it not be cheaper to get a high end Android smartphone (LG G4 currently under £300) which has full Microsoft Office support and a full catalogue of high quality apps, then simply buy a Windows HDMI stick (like the Morefine M1) and simply plug it in to any monitor or TV, giving you full windows 10 with full desktop software support?

Another Windows rt me thinks.

There are numerous user cases that Microsoft states it takes a day to port over the app. Any app developer would be mad not too, especially when the Universal App audience is 110 million and growing....

having read a number of prerelease Windows 10 Mobile OS these have all but put me off this phone. It is a shame as the handset and this particular feature set is appealing but not worth a +£500 punt for me.

Voting - Like warm

Managed to get a look at this phone at a recent Expo in London. Is a neat piece of kit and the scaling out of Windows 10 looks to work very nicely. Expect a few bugs for first release but by second release this should be good enough for most users.

I don't know what this means...? You read them? Is that auto correct? do you mean used?
If so, then , it's, erm, pre release, that's kinda the point...It's not finished...

For trivial apps but not for anything with any substance and if they weren't initially developed with Visual Studio or with a language that Universal apps support you are starting from scratch.
Since most phone apps for other mobile Operating Systems clearly weren't developed with Visual Studio they will have to be developed from scratch.

Agreed to a point. My point is that if you are developing a Universal App for Windows 10 then it is very easy to port it over. Most App software houses would have the same problem though with an IOS and Android parallel work streams. I think Microsoft are on to something big here and there are a lot of synergies coming together.

It's a great concept no doubt the issue is whether it results in the glaring gap in WP apps being rectified.
Currently many phone apps are Android/iOS only and there are already cross platform tools to develop those so the developers using those tools would have to decide to move over to another development platform just to target the small user base that WP is. How many will be prepared to do that?
I see the main initial penetration potentially as being with new apps developed for tablets as MS has more of a chance there. So if those are developed as Universal apps then we will see more phone optimised apps for WP but it's an uphill struggle.

Don't misunderstand me as I think Universal apps have enormous potential; assuming MS have implemented the concept well which is not a given after looking at the mess that was Windows 8 and the way in which Windows 10 was released prematurely.
But the market may have already decided that it's too late for WP so even if it becomes the new Betamax in the sense of being better than VHS it may still die off like Betamax.
If I was still a developer I'd been in no rush to jump on the Windows 10/Universal apps bandwagon from a commercial perspective.
I'd wait for the software to stabilize first and see how it looks and if it has any traction also.
You can use Visual Studio Community edition for cross platform development so that might help with WP apps as much as Universal app. But again only if it has been implemented well.

You'd be brave to pre-order. Great concept but not sure just yet how great it is in real life.

Apps might not even matter that much since I think this is running desktop Win10 with continuum.

Be nice to actually have a proper Facebook and Instagram app on mobile now that they have commited to a Universal app [not that Rudy's 6tag isn't top notch anyways].

It's all very jazzy and certainly looks like what the future of PCs should be but right now I'm struggling to see why I would want it?

Other than as a gimmick , I have so much tech that connects to my TV both with and without wires I'm struggling to see what I would actually do with this?

I can see it being useful for business users and that's about it

​I meant READ REVIEWS. combo bad typing and bad typing