Buy a lighthouse

I get the feeling you're going to tell us.

wow people seriously have no clue

the reason why you notice a difference between 1080p and 4k is because your using a crappy low bit rate streams like netflix

1080p netflix is pretty crap quality wise therefore even low bit rate 4k looks better simply because it's encoded at a higher res.

it's actually been tested and reviewed and 4k netflix is worse than 1080p blu ray.

resolution is only 1 part of the jigsaw which makes a picture.


much like i could show you a 13 megapixel camera which takes better pictures than a 16 megapixel camera. how is that possible? because megapixels on their own don't mean anything, lenses, sensors, etc all make huge differences to the picture.

resolution isn't the be all and end all. in fact the most important things when it comes to picture quality are:

1. The source, the best source currently readily available are 1080p blu rays
2. Black levels which are best on plasma and OLED's
3. Motion control (no ghosting, etc)
4. Colours and Contrast

I'd much rather have a good quality 720P plasma than a poor 1080P LCD. Moving forwards with Tech I'd much rather have a good quality 1080P plasma than mediocre 4K lcd.

If you want to find out more about tv's then look at "avforums".

​today is your lucky day,I will happily let you pay me another £100 or so for the tv you bought :smiley:

You have "no wifi built in" but it does unless you've just made a mistake. Personally I'd go for the 4K Samsung 40inch for like £30 more (I have it anyway).

Yep, comes with built in wifi

It does have wifi. A very nice TV, however get richer sounds to price match and you'll get 6 years guarantee :wink:

I get the feeling you're going to tell us.

John lewis deal was better with 5 year guarantee

This would look weird mounted on a wall.

Yes I do because I have a 4K TV and normal 1080p TV and I've watched Netflix on 1080p and 4K and the difference is outstanding. To your comment as well, not very close as I sit half way across the room and notice it very clearly.

[/quote]Do you realise how close you need to sit to a 40" TV to notice any difference between 1080p and 4K?[/quote]

People keep on saying this, we don't all have mansions. I have a 42" tv now and it pretty big imo. When I upgrade to 4k, I'll be buying another of the same kind of size and sitting as far away as possible just to annoy people. And I guarantee it will still look a lot nicer than my current 1080p tv.

Do you realise how close you need to sit to a 40" TV to notice any difference between 1080p and 4K?[/quote]People keep on saying this, we don't all have mansions. I have a 42" tv now and it pretty big imo. When I upgrade to 4k, I'll be buying another of the same kind of size and sitting as far away as possible just to annoy people. And I guarantee it will still look a lot nicer than my current 1080p tv.[/quote]It's usually those who haven't got a 4k TV saying it too,....

Would this look better with normal SD Freeview than a 4K set?

Built in banana architecture

i like cheesecake

me 2oo

gonna wait for the 6500 to drop....

I've bought this tv last week. Fantastic tv. I'd happy pay more

12 months warranty for such expensive tv's like most these days is a joke.

​very strange...

Bargain, heat added.

great deal

This^

Or corner mount it

No Wifi cold

No 4K* cold

no freeview hd cold

No bamboozle!!! Warm

Amazon will be doing a samsung 4k tv in their lightning deals cant wait!!!

i would rather pay an extra 35 pounds and get 5 year guarentee

no wifi im out

So strange...

Colour BlackSize...?
No thanks...cold

wow people seriously have no clue

the reason why you notice a difference between 1080p and 4k is because your using a crappy low bit rate streams like netflix

1080p netflix is pretty crap quality wise therefore even low bit rate 4k looks better simply because it's encoded at a higher res.

it's actually been tested and reviewed and 4k netflix is worse than 1080p blu ray.

resolution is only 1 part of the jigsaw which makes a picture.


much like i could show you a 13 megapixel camera which takes better pictures than a 16 megapixel camera. how is that possible? because megapixels on their own don't mean anything, lenses, sensors, etc all make huge differences to the picture.

resolution isn't the be all and end all. in fact the most important things when it comes to picture quality are:

1. The source, the best source currently readily available are 1080p blu rays
2. Black levels which are best on plasma and OLED's
3. Motion control (no ghosting, etc)
4. Colours and Contrast

I'd much rather have a good quality 720P plasma than a poor 1080P LCD. Moving forwards with Tech I'd much rather have a good quality 1080P plasma than mediocre 4K lcd.

If you want to find out more about tv's then look at "avforums".

It states above that this has Freesat built in — excellent.

You really talk out your ****. I've got a 4K TV and I've watched it on Netflix "4K" and the quality is amazing I can notice the difference straight away from my other 32 inch Samsung TVs that the picture is fantastic.

So stop trying to be a nerdy little TV geek because you're chatting ****.

Telling the cold hard facts is never going to work when they're being told to a person trying the justify choosing a 40" 4K screen over a 48" 1080p screen at extra cost.

Also, if I were to purchase this TV, and compare it to the 1080p TV in my conservatory, I'm sure this one would be much better - that's what happens when a TV ages.

By your logic, comparing my old one to this new model surely means that 1080p gives a much better image quality than 1080p :smiley:

I'm actually replacing my main TV shortly with a 55" model. I've reviewed many TV's in my local store, all using the same Bluray for input. I also viewed from my intended viewing distance as opposed to the 3 feet distance most people view display models at.

After viewing a 55JS9000 4K Samsung against a 1080p LG OLED, I will be going for the 1080p OLED. I'm surprised, but happy, that the 1080p OLED won on picture quality having previously being very impressed with the Samsung anyway. Especially given the fact that the OLED will be £350 cheaper.

I know this isn't a 9gag but UP YOU GO!

I'd be interested in people's opinions- I'm looking for a 48"-60" TV and have a max budget of £500. Should I get this? Or if not what looks better?
Thanks

Yes OLED is a fantastic picture but I don't like LG. also I prefer Samsung and for someone to say 1080p is better than 4K is more than stupid.

For me, and my partner, a 55" set, and an 11 ft viewing distance, 1080p OLED is better than 4K LED - and not by just a small margin.

Let's agree to disagree.

Ppl are too caught up in anorak statistics... I have 4k and you can tell from anywhere u can see tv it's better than HD, be it not a huge leap, but it is clearly visible.

To be fair..there are some 1080p TV'S that are better than 4k ones. Quite a few actually.

OLED ones maybe but not normal 1080p! So you're saying 1920x1080 is better than 3840x1260? Highly doubt that.

That joke remains hilarious no matter how many people steal it.
Oh wait a minute, no it doesn't.

Don't be twisting my words and quoting out of context. I said that, at normal viewing distances, and on a 55 inch screen size, 1080p OLED has a vastly superior image quality than 4K LED.

If it didn't, why are people currently paying £1450 for a 55" OLED when they could get a 55" 4K LED for less than half the price?

Was that even in reply to you? No it's not, so don't go saying stuff when it isn't aimed at your comment!

It's in reply to a discussion that I was part of. Anyway, I stand by my statement - I, typically, do when I know the statement to be true.

I've said all I have to say here so I'm out.

And for watching normal SD Freeview I would imagine this might look better than a 4K set?

Has been this price for about 3 weeks in Tesco and is included in the boost.

Pixel count isn't everything.

Im after a new TV pref 48-55'' 4K Curved do you think this is a good buy? and what do u mean 5 year guarantee?

Please can some recommend me whether this is a great buy or not as im now on the hunt for a new TV but unsure whether to wait to black friday

is it just as good? or you think i should wait till Friday?

Excellent, so you recommend i should stick to 4K curved 48'' plus?

John Lewis priced matched me with a free 5 year guarantee.

Great picture quality got one from richer sounds poor though . Needs a sound bar so now got to get one of them .

​A Samsung that squeezes plenty of features into a brilliant 4K Ultra HD package

I don't know the tv, but it does state this a couple of times on the Web page

I know it's a great deal, heat for that, but I just don't get what the fuss is about curved panels.

Nice to know someone has done their research. Some are clueless, really.

Can't see the 'angle' on buying one of these :wink:

Vastly is definitely an exaggeration so your statement is untrue.

It says nothing of the sort on Samsung web site, this is not a 4K TV.

The model (UE48J6300) being sold is the 1080p model , but they have mistakenly used the descriptive text from the 4K model (UE48JU6400) on the product listing at Marks Electrical.

Only the summary is for the UE48JU400.

So this is not a 4K TV? I was looking for one that makes the PS4 look outstanding.

why so hot?

nearly £20 cheaper here
http://it-supplier.co.uk/samsung-ue48j6300ak-48-full-hd-smart-tv-wi-fi-black-metallic-ue48j6300akxxu

A quality 1080p high end TV will look a LOT better than a crappy panel 4k.

People like you just get reeled in with numbers. Not all 4k tv's are the same in the way not all 1080p are the same.

Sone years ago i had a Panasonic 720P which had a far better picture than my dads Sony 1080p at the time.

There's much more to a TV than pixel count.

what exactly is the benefit of having a curved tv?

buy one for me too then :smiley:

Those warriors from hammerfell have curved Tv's.

Well said "PsychoSonny" !! I rarely try to explain to people online anymore about issues such as 4K, as a lot of people just don't listen. I have a 70" TV and didn't go 4K as I sit about 11 foot away, and you can't tell the difference between 1080P and 4K. If you don't believe me type into a google search "TV viewing distance" and goto images.

​Unfortunately for you, what he said is a fact. That means it's not debatable. Try doing a little research.

There is only a slight noticeable benefit to a curved tv if you are watching from a extreme wide angle, but then if you are watching the tv at such an angle, your viewing experience is already poor.

some people prefer the aesthetic of a curved screen. That's what it comes down to really, if you like the aesthetic so much that you are willing to shell out more money for it

If you are single, and plan to place the TV in a corner, a curved TV will look great. I know because I got the curved 48" 4K Sammy a few weeks ago. Everyone has commented on both the external aesthetics, and the picture quality. By getting it from John Lewis, they did a bundle with the matching sound bar, knocking £300 off it :smiley:

For a large room, you would need to get a huge one to get the benefit, as in at least 60".

Why does the blurb say "In summary, the Samsung UE48JU6400 6 Series 4K Ultra HD LED Television will make a great addition to your AV offering " and then in the specs "Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080". Is it UHD or just Full HD?

post of the day

OK, thanks. Figured UHD was too good to be true!

So would it look rubbish if a married person to put it in a corner?

I was talking to a chap who installed a curved 65" tv for a customer and due to reflections which stretched further across the screen, agreed to swap it for the flat version.....

I reckon these curved TVs will eventually disappear, as other than aesthetics, they offer no significant advantage....

Well said....but 2 things:

1. "....the most important things when it comes to picture quality are'....Your eyes....:smiley:
2. "If you want to find out more about tv's then look at "avforums"....The last place personally I'd go for info as it's extremely biased, full of knowitalls who know nothing and not everything thay say is correct either....

If anyone needs the 'facts' on all this nonsense then go here:

http://www.displaymate.com/news.html#7


To be frank though it doesn't matter how true the facts are or how many times you say them, some people just don't get it or choose to ignore the truth for their own reasons.

:smiley:

genuin question, flat 4k sets are a similar price, so why does this get so much heat? I know it's a nice set.

The fact of the matter currently with 4K is unless you can either take advantage of it, or for that matter be prepared to pay money for currently limited and less than 4K in bitrate content, then why 'future proof' yourself, especially this early into the 4K TV market with less than ideal tv technology?.

If you can wait there is the decreasing prices of OLED (the true rival to plasma) and the competing enhancements to existing LCD technology in nano/quantum crystal/dots designed to enhance colour vibrancy and viewing angles which at least enhance the less than ideal LED backlit LCDs people have been buying...current 4K tvs will soon be dated tech and less vibrant regardless of their increased resolution and depreciate as fast as the 1080p market.

We have no clue when terrestrial broadcasts will even begin in 4K, let alone via what medium, then there is assessing if you even have the internet bandwidth to stream the limited content pushed out via subscriptions whilst you await the unknown cost of a dedicated 4K Blu Ray player to play true 4K content. Your nice shiny new 4K Blu Ray discs...you know, those shiny discs that everyone and their mother seem to be scoffing about as 'physical media is dead'...the irony!

Once again, how much content is going to be available and via what means...nothing has been said regarding UHD and Sky Q...not to mention obviously there will be no terrestrial content.

​No they didn't. My Sammy 2014 4K TV has Freesat HD. Works beautifully.

Good deal but not a good TV for gamers, input lag is high https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ue48j6300-tv-review.11662

nice deal

not keen on curve gommick rather have few inches extra on screen instead...

​all i can God bless you.
don't know what world you are living in.
plasmas are nearly obsolete technology.

I've just replaced my 'Decent' 1080p Plasma (TXP50VT20) with a low to midrange Samsung 4k LCD (55JU6500) after the Plasma finally bit the dust...

Wasn't expecting much improvement if any (being a Panasonic Plasma preacher for many years)
Other than the black levels which I expected to be a little worse EVERY aspect of the Samsung LCD is better. Picture quality on 4k Netflix is incredible as is Bluray, even SD is just as good as the Plasma.

No mine wasn't the latest and greatest Plasma but it was still a fairly high end VT range Panny from just a few years ago and this midrange 4K LCD absolutely wipes the floor with it.

So don't be too fast to dismiss 4K LCD's until you've throughly tested one out.

I wouldn't waste your breath, he's just another bandwagoneer.
Danjw says the quality of 4k netflix far exceeded 1080p (viewed with his own eyes) and his response is to refute it, citing other people's reviews as his source? People like that have no interest in being convinced otherwise.

They say sport and films in an article I read.

So if like Netflix HD it will be compressed at 15mbps or BT Ultra HD 29mbps, both still compressed 4K, both of which not all homes can speed wise...not to mention anyone that has data capping.

Having comparing a Samsung UE48H6400 @ £450 (1080P) with a Samsung UE48JU7000 @ £950 (4K). There was no doubt IMO that the cheaper set was better with Freeview HD and Blu-ray. With genuine 4k material the JU7000 another step up.

Nope, not at all, it would still look amazing. However, there are sweet spots with smaller curved TV's, so, as I am single, I always get the sweet spot :smiley:

That's handy.

concorde is obsolete

doesn't stop it from being the best passenger plane ever built :wink:

my friend owns a £4000 65" sony 4K tv and i've played ps4, xb1 as well as watched movies on it.

yes it's ridiculously good but what else would you expect for £4000? is it better than my 50" GT50? you would be hard pushed to say it is in terms of PQ, probably on par the most impressive thing about it was the built in speakers and the sheer size of the thing not the fact that it's 4K.

4k netflix looked no better than 1080p blu ray rips that he had torrented. what really excelled was the 4k "demos" he had torrented.

shame that the only real content available for a 4k tv is a 30-60 second demo video. goes to show what a waste 4k is in the end at the moment.

Thank you so much - I bought two! The 40 inch seems best deal.

i've also viewed 4k netflix and with my very own eyes believe it or not.

it's no better than 1080p blu ray in fact it's probably worse due it being a smaller bit rate.

BD Video movies have a maximum data transfer rate of 54 Mbit/s, a maximum AV bitrate of 48 Mbit/s (for both audio and video data), and a maximum video bit rate of 40 Mbit/s.

netflix 4k uses a lower bit rate than 1080p blu ray.

since your friend was so hung up on numbers and 4K being bigger than 1080P. explain how lower bit rate video can be better quality than higher bit rate video?

it's like saying a 64 kbps mp3 is better than a 320 kbps mp3 because it was recorded using a slightly better microphone.

it doesn't work with that, less data means less information means less picture quality.

The only argument going for 4K and bit rate is that it is more efficient with its compression with HEVC/h.265 in comparison to MPEG-4/h.264....but certainly not THAT efficient.

Aren't you bored re-preaching stuff you've read on AVforums yet....(yeah I've been there too...check my post count ;-))

, You do know the difference between H264 & H265 yes??
Netflix uses a lower bitrate as it uses a more efficient video codec. HEVC (h265)...it is twice as efficient as h264 used for Bluray encoding......
you can't compare bitrates between the two as h265 is a much more efficient codec..you get better picture quality with lower bitrate h265 than higher bitrate h264 so your MP3 comparison doesn't work.
Here's an old but very good example (not mine but another user on Doom9)
https://www.facebook.com/x265project/photos/a.1413021475581600.1073741826.1395701047313643/1508982559318824/?type=1&theater


Like it or not the future is 4K..for now. yeah so in your eyes at least 4k TV's are no better than 1080p TV and there is little mainstream native 4k source around...well it will come, certainly not this year and maybe not even next but it will come.
My hand was forced and I needed to buy a new TV now....there seemed little point in buying a 1080p LCD when a 4k set was only 25% more...
Like the majority of people I don't upgrade my TV every year, I keep it as long as it's viable...a 4k TV right now makes a far more sensible proposition than a 1080p one...

And although you have chosen not to believe anyone who tells you otherwise.... what 4K source is already out there looks stunning. as I said before my 4K LCD wipes the floor with my old Plasma on all content. The Blacklist on Netflix 4k looks incredible...so much depth to the picture it's almost 3D..

The 1080p BR argument is ridiculous when it can be upscaled to provide an equivalent "bit rate" which around 4x higher.
And as Uridium just said above me, the h265 codec is obscenely efficient. It compresses twice as much as h264 so your "bit rates" for 4K should be doubled to get the equivalent 1080p "bit rate".

Who needs eyes when you have numbers telling you "bit rates".

I have a Samsung 4K TV the first release at 55 inch, and the comments I get unsolicited about the picture quality of the full HD picture make me wonder why anybody would want 4K. It seems to me like the old HiFi arguments if you've got it you venomously argue in it's favour, otherwise you just accept what you have and save money.
By the way I had very good HiFi and I could hear the difference.

If you always got the sweet spot you wouldn't be single. lol

At last someone who talks sense,if your planning on buying a TV now to last say 6,7 or more years(my Samsung 40 inch LCD still going strong coming up to 11 years)surely a 4k is the better option because in a cpl of years 4k content should have loads more content. I am looking at the Philips 50put6400 4k looks alot of TV for £500-£550

Currently there’s no broadcast standards for 4K TV so it may will be a while before we see BBC in 4K. Freeview HD was introduced 6 years ago and so far only 12 out of the 80 channels available are broadcasting in HD (which is only 1080i). My bet would be to buy a good cheap 1080p set now and buy a 4K set once it's avaialble. The 1080p set will look better with Freeview HD and Blu-ray as the source resolution is closer to the screen resolution. (no upscaling required).

So I don't usually post on here, but these TV's are great, I have two of them, I got them price matched with AO.com, they agreed to price match to £499 and took £250 off of a £500 sound bar as well. Couldn't be happier.

http://ao.com/product/ue48j6300-samsung-tv-black-36379-108.aspx <-- link to the TV, if you call them they will price match.

I got email to say stock due 30th earliest which is ok. They said would be a delay.

Wish I could buy something like this here in UK...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/toshiba-49-class-48-5-diag--led-1080p-hdtv-black/7437034.p?id=1219682850718&skuId=7437034

Ultra HD blu rays are expected to be released by the end of 2015, i.e. soon.

How much does a ultra HD blu ray cost? and what's the price of the player?

£549 now.

£699 now when I look?

Suspect Samsung told them off.

As Ultra HD blu rays are not for sale, the price is not available. Given that 4K TV owners have and are prepared to pay a premium for the new equipment and content, it doesn't particularly matter. It won't be much more than the first blu rays.
It should also be pointed out that the Ultra HD blu rays will allow 60fps and in the future HDR. It is a big deal for 4K TV owners.

As with blu ray players, there is not a single player and therefore there is not a single price. Since it is brand new technology a premium will be expected. Samsung will create the first player and have stated it will cost less than $500.

Got this for 399 on an Amazon flash sale and trying to decide whether to keep or wait for something 4k to come along...?
Upgrading from a 7 year old Samsung 42 inch plasma which still works fine

well they cannot be coming that soon if nobody knows the price.

This tv is NOT 4K

This is not 4K! The 4K 'version' is another £250. I have the 4K one, and it is superb for my purposes. Yes the curve is also superfluous, unless you have a 90" one, but, I love it, as it looks fantastic, even when turned off. And all my mates love it too. It is easy to get bogged down with specifications, but trust me, the 4K one is the business. Unless you have another £1K to spend on an OLED...:stuck_out_tongue:

Really misleading... It says at the bottom about it being 4K but referring to another model. Out of order.

Made loads of errors .... Don't we all? However I care more about how much mayonnaise KFC are about to put in my Zinger to be honest but reality is if you serve the public more care should be taken. I will give the benefit of the doubt it wasn't deliberate. It's still a bargain price and they are not going to be my main sets anyway.

Glad you are so worried about the recipe of your Zinger, and this mistake regarding this product has already been pointed out and discussed on this thread previously, thank you.

Great, well done. Zinger was ok.

i bought this in a flash sale on amazon for 399. it should arrive tomorrow and have been wondering whether to keep or not. its not 4k but does look a great TV. did anyone else buy this Tv and how do you feel ?!

Did anyone find a nice sound-bar to accompany this TV I'm thinking the Samsung HW-J355 120W Soundbar with Subwoofer?

Hi soldierboy001 . Can you please enlighten me !!! with a g0od suggestion of your own ?

Hi soldierboy001 - thanks

Delivery been pushed out twice now. Anyone received?