Another user who does not know what hes talking about.

You just can't help yourself can you?

Mate, you've repeatedly said you wouldn't buy a 4k TV so why do you constantly feel the need to comment on every single thread for one?

Move along, there's nothing here for you to see....

Absolutely nothing wrong about LG TV:s or their panels either!!
LG dominate the 42-50" market in panel distribution and manufacturer.

Oh and ITV2/3 look terrible on just about any decent sized screen anyway...

Reviews

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another vestel made TV

BTW Vestel has also signed up to offer FreeviewPlay.

http://www.telecompaper.com/news/panasonic-vestel-to-make-freeview-play-connected-tvs--1066940

Demo unit in local Costco, it looks stunning. Would like to buy for PS4 setup just too lazy to drive 40mins to local Richer Sounds store!

As both the above reviews suggest, prepare to be up close and personal with the tv, you will need to be at this size.

I have the 50" version of this.

Picture is bad/awful on channels like ITV3/4
Picture is good on channels like ITV
Picture very good on HD channels
Picture is absolutely stunning on BR and Netflix 4k/Youtube 4k and xbox one

This panel is not made by Vestel although why people see that as a big issue is beyond me. Panasonic's flagship 4k OLED is made by LG but that hasn't stopped AVF giving it 10/10 reference status. Its not all about the manufacturer of the panel!!!!

I would highly recommend this TV and I say that as someone who has made the jump across from Panasonic plasmas.

Good thing I bought an LG then ... arrives tomorrow from Amazon, can't wait !

They have a point, relevant to the deal. What's the problem.

Got the 50" version, and it's superb.

Not sure it's worth getting 4K TV that's only 40" though... If I had to get a TV that size I'd get a top spec 1080p set.

It isn't relevant to the deal at all! Whatever someone repeatedly believes despite not owning a set and spamming every post as claiming it fact when the reality is they haven't tried it for themselves is tiresome.

Fact is 4k looks incredible, even on a smaller set - I know this as fact too as I bought and installed a LG 43UF640v from AO.com at my parents on Sunday. You can shout all day long that you can't see the additional detail from a distance but you can't deny that the picture looks realistic no matter how far or near you get to the set!

As my mother said "That picture looks like you could just reach in and touch them".

I could not even read his comment until you posted, I have him on ignore, with good reason.

Do any of the bigger Panasonic tvs come with freeview play ? Looking between 42 and 50" CAnt seem to find any on richer sounds :S ?

Boo hoo hoo....

Don't cry fella! You're a rebel without a clue remember, someone who claims fact with no actual experience a bore of the highest order!

Im not mistaking anything. The point is that LG are the driving force behind OLED yet Panasonic have taken one of the LG made panels and made an OLED TV that is far superior to anything LG have managed themselves. People on here just jump on the "Vestel made panel = crap tv" bandwagon. As I stated in my previous post, the panel is only part of it. The "sauce" as Panasonic describe their input is just as, if not more important!

I think, or hope people know that already. No one is doubting the quality of a LG panel in a Panasonic set. Not everyone knows that Vestel pay Panasonic royalties to use the name of their TV's. There is nothing Panasonic on those sets, bar the name.

No, TV companies use Vestel sets under their own banner, Vestel make budget sets for many different electronic companies, they do not licence the companies names to sell their own sets.

The Vestel made 00B sets are made by Vestel, the OLED set you're comparing to are made by Panasonic using an LG panel. It's not the same thing at all. Vestel made sets are known to be unreliable.

It sounds like you're saying people that are complaining about Vestel made Panasonic TV's should stop complaining because Panasonic use LG panels in their premium range and they're very good. It makes no sense.

Panel made by X doesn't mean the entire TV is...

Exactly. The other day I posted evidence showing how the Panasonic 55cx490b is a rebadged Vestel 55ua9200, and it was thoroughly ridiculed. It appears a lot of people here are willing to accept the doner kebab fraud perpetuated by Panasonic. So be it, their loss.

It seems people aren't separating "TV made by" and "Panel made by"

Close up at 40", yes.

Nope, the picture quality looks excellent from distance and strictly speaking will look better from a few inches on a 40" set than it would on a 65" one as the pixels would be even harder to make out with them being smaller.

From a distance UHD and full HD will be indistinguishable. The differences will be other things like brightness, constrast, motion, reflections, panel quality, etc, using comparable sources.

Good thing that all those aspects are well reviewed on this set then. A comparable full HD tv with this screen quality is around this price anyway so getting a newer 4K set and FreeviewPlay is a bonus.

Indeed.

Correct, but using the logic of some posters on here there's no benefit to 4k whereas the fact is on sets like these the picture quality is as good as it gets on a 1080p AND it's also 4k capable! It also means your 1080p signal is improved with more detail (subject to a decent upscaler) which means a more life-like picture, even if you cannot see the individual pixel increase to the full 4k you can clearly see the picture is more involving and proven to be more emotionally stimulating. What technical diagrams can't show is how the human eye and brain perceives vision and motion, our core instinct is very strong and 4k does a considerable job of fooling the brain better than hidef does.

What looks better,
both 55", UHD TV displaying a full HD source, or a full HD TV displaying the same source?

I think you have told him that before, I think he fails to listen to logic.

The UHD does providing its a decent upscaler as the UHD has 4 pixel's to mix into the next 4 pixels to fill its screen with a 1080 image, even if you're stood further away than the ideal distance from the screen to see the benefit of all the additional information 4k offers your eyes you're still seeing more detail than the original 1080 image and that quality doesn't diminish the closer you approach the set.

Look at it another way. When viewing an optical illusion there's a point when your eyes are no longer fooled isn't there as well as a point where you don't actually see it. View 4k from aa considerable distance and yes its pointless but at no point thereon as you move towards it do your eyes fail to be fooled until you get really, really close to the screen.

No obviously I'm talking about a quality set that's been calibrated well not a cheap ass Seiki btw....

If the UHD tv has a decent upscaler than that would be better than a full HD tv even if using a full HD source as it would give a picture somewhere in between 4k and full HD.

It would need a fast processor though so the upscaling doesn't bring in artifacts or motion/judder/slowdown issues. The 680b range has a fast quadcore so this won't be an issue.

Using what you said as a base, SD should look better on a UHD TV compared to a full HD TV?

Your just being ridiculous now!

Upscaling from SD is where 4K tvs are less effective as there's just not enough information from the source and too much to try and fill in for the upscaler to work.

This might be true for SD sources on Full HD sets too.

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
HAVE A READ.

Written by a sceptic, biased, incorrect factually and generally a load of ****!

Av enthusiasts here there and everywhere will you tell you. When setting up blu ray, set top boxes etc that if you can avoid any scaling whatsoever from a source will always be the overall best result. End

Bit scared to buy a panny now.

What is the safest tv brand nowadays to ensure quality?

What do we think of the OS? I'm looking at the 50 inch version. Does it support dual tuner and recording?

24" Panasonic in Asda says 'Assembled in Turkey'. Same price as the Polaroid sat next to it. The problem with Vestel is they are known for making cheap electronics. Panasonic however, for those of us who are older in years, are a company who are known for making reliable high quality electronics. For those people who don't subscribe to hotdeals or don't research everything other than users reviews, imagine their horror when they find out that the good money they have paid on a Panasonic television isn't a Panasonic at all. It's a bit like saving up to buy a Merc or BM only to find it's made by Chugga Chugga cars in Taiwan.

It doesn't matter if Vestel make a reliable tv or not. Some vestel panasonics are being offered witha 5 year warranty in Currys and 6 years in Richer Sounds. Lengthy guarantees are not given out to cost the manufacturer money so if a product comes with a 5 year warranty you are more than likely going to get that from it. The point here is what Panasonic and other manufacturers are doing is misleading the buyer into thinking they are buying one of their products when they are not and that is wrong.

I only ever bought a cheap tv once. It was a Pentus bought from Currys at a whopping £449.00 for a 32". It had a Samsung panel. It lasted 23 months and went bang. I vowed never ever again to buy a cheap tv. £449.00 was cheap back then as a Samsung or LG was like another £100/£150 more. I never did buy another cheap tv. Have 2 LG's one lasted 8 years and still going when I sold it and still got the second one at 5 years old.

Incidentally if Freeview Play is the same as Youview you don't get the option to wind back every channel or programme. I have Youview and even some of the bbc programmes are not available on windback.

Yes, I didn't say it was did I lol. Would Richer Sounds be offering a 6 year guarantee on a Vestal haha. It doesn't matter who makes tv's for Panasonic as up until about a year ago I would have been one of the many who may have bought a Vestel with a Panasonic badge on it thinking I was buying a top brand. I have been buying tv's since the 80's and was quite amazed to find the small Toshibas were being made by Vestel. Toshiba was a top tv in the 90's so I could easily have fallen into the trap of many. I just think it's wrong when a top brand is using a company who isn't to make their products. Whatever next, iphones made in China perhaps !!

You're ridiculous

Ive seen that and it ticks all the boxes for my new TV. Just wondering if it will drop in price coming up to christmas. Seen it in our local panasonic shop for £799 with 5 year warranty. Gorgeous TV

Yet LG are not compatible with BT Vision