Indicators are fitted, they can be operated by the big knob inside.

In my experiece, as many Corsa's, Punto's, Fiesta's and Yaris's fail to use indicators as BMW's and Audi's. The higher end cars just seem to bring out the jealousy in people in discussion forums.

It's similar to being cut off by as many normal cars as taxi's but people remember the taxi drivers quicker because they're easier to stereotype.

Think you'll find normal people drive BMW's now....Audi's are now the current car of choice for the 'no indicators' and magnetic front bumper brigade...

For road use this is all the performance you'll ever need. Seriously rapid cars. The auto gearbox is a joy on these and in Estoril Blue they look the business, though for something a little more subtle they do a nice metallic grey as well.

I'd be ticking the M Sport Plus pack and adaptive suspension (n.b. on the X drive cars they don't come with M sport suspension, as the 4WD mechanism raises the ride height or something like that, thus you get normal suspension, that's why adaptive suspension is an absolute must apparently!) as the minimum on this if I weren't moving house soon.

The price discount, which is common on cars costing that sort of money, is exactly why when looking at lease deals people should consider the real cost to buy vs the leasing costs, not the RRP, as only fools pay the RRP nowadays.

As a BMW owner myself I take some pleasure in letting folks out of junctions and always indicating. The worst drivers on the road for me though are probably those in company motors, like Insignias and Passats (obviously that's just my opinion though).

Old thread but I just leased the touring version of this in Estoril blue. 0-62 in 4.7 seconds and get over 40mpg. It's crazy. Got it on 10k miles three payments down and then 23 payments over 24 months. 370 a month it's costing. A smidgeon over 4k a year for this beast will probably beat the depreciation on picking it up at 32-33 grand (the touring is a bit more expensive than this saloon).

​wrong. Its nothing to do di with the make. I find vauxhall, ford and 4x4 drivers to be the most inconsiderate on the road

I just hired the 330 petrol version, M sport with auto box. Was an upgrade on a 320 diesel.

Deary me. Took me two nights to work out how the keyless thingy worked, the engine cuts out to save fuel when you stop at traffic; me no likey. Steering not too hot without sports mode engaged. Visibility not great for reversing but has a sensor. Rapid though! Nice and comfortable on the motorway and lots of gadgets.

I can't afford one but would buy if I could!

I spec'd the car quite highly but the base price was slightly better than that of broadspeed. Plus the extra's were discounted

Did you manage to get any options thrown in for your better price?

Just ordered this through my local dealer for a marginally better price than broadspeed. Worth printing out from broadspeed and taking to local dealer to match & haggle a bit more on optional extras.

IMO - a £40K standard car without heated seats and folding mirrors is a joke!!

Does anyone have an indication what these might be worth after 18 months with 14000 miles?
I can lease one for under 300 per month and I'm considering the options. Coming from a 3 litre Subaru Legacy Bilstein I might want to pep the BMW up a little bit with some suspension enhancements which is not possible on a lease car.

thank you

​Haha. He was close with yaris's (yaris'), but yeah the rest are pretty bad.

Not so cheap when you start adding the extras that you would expect to get when spending this kind of money!

That would depend on the deposit amount but if we assume zero in the pcp monthly payments will be around £450-£500 at a guess. I previously bought a BMW around this value and that was the approximate monthly payment. I think it works out roughly for every £1000 you put in up front it reduces the monthly payment by about £25.
There is a bit of a myth with deals like this that because its such a good discount on the list price people think they might beat the depreciation. Trouble is this deal is available in many places and no-one will be paying the list price so trade in values will reflect this.

Has anyone managed to get a PCP deal for this? If so how much does it work out to monthly?

Snow tyres and you're sorted, even in an M3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOv2g5qTpvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STaximkaQxo

I have e90 and with winter tyres it handles great on the snow

Or accelerate into trouble/the next life!

Don't disagree but the comment I was reply to was in relation to having this car in the UK. Your comment on horses would apply in any country. The counter argument being that good acceleration when used correctly can also make overtaking safer!

I don't think there is. But accelerating in a careless / dangerous / furious manner is covered under the various Road Traffic Offenses. Eg, if you accelerated as you passed a horse on the road, you know that this could startle the horse and cause injury to the rider, or if you accelerate aggressively in a small village.

not aware of an acceleration limit in uk?

The xdrive is 4 wheel drive

I like BMWs and everyone says they have good engines but are they not a bit skittish in winter? I live in Perthshire and while we don't get snow every year, I normally do skiing/winter hiking. The rear wheel brigade seem to constantly get stuck. I have a Skoda Scout and it's allot cheaper than this. It's very slow and very efficient in the Skoda Car Lot, but this seems to disengage about 20 yards from their doda machine, then warp drive comes back on line and it goes anywhere. Now the BMWs do pull away from my Scout, but not by that much. My mate has a Merc...he put on the Winter Tires and said they help, but seems like a bit of a fiddle. The only rear wheel drive I have ever driven was a Lotus Carlton and it was allot of fun in the dry and the wet...but I think it was useless on snow.

Looks like they are in a hurry to offload these diesels before they get caught for rigging like VW.

Had this email through from Clarison Friday. Seems like they have some great Business lease options: http://email.weare79.co/t/ViewEmail/r/E75AF1E4B1B5A1452540EF23F30FEDED/23B43F180035EC762438807772DD75D1

What monthly payments have you been given for this deal?

Considering it's UK where drivers have a limit of speed it's mostly for looks over speed. Still, if it were anywhere else in Europe then you'd be right.

Don't be sorry as I am comfortable with it, plus it is all materialistic stuff. With time the value decreases.

I'm so sorry, that must be horrible.

However if you finance the difference will be massive, BMW new car APR is considerably lower than their used car. I bought a new 530d instead of a used 535d purely due to cost of finance. I do wish I had bought a 535d though. And yes I use indicators when they will be of benefit to other road users, as the Roadcraft manual stipulates.

Insignia drivers every day of the week, terrible!

I see the idiots are out tonight!

The FIAT one is wrong... should be Fix It Again Tomorrow.

These are more fun than the usual BMW/Audi/Ford car driver stereotyping:
http://www.dunkworld.com/car_acronyms.htm

Not sure if it's been mentioned but Coast2coast cars are even cheaper by another £500.

niceeee

There's been a lot of advances in the last 40 years :smiley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY

I'll stick to modern cars if it's all the same to you :smiley:

not sure why , the cars nowadays are all cheaply thrown together , only difference is slightly better plastics in the supposedly premium models

buy a mercedes in the 1970`s and the crap now , see which one last the longest

BMW make less than 10% margin on average when a car is sold.

R&D and marketing take up a huge amount of profits.

But Audi's do tend to be a brand of choice amongst motoring pond life.

bmw could sell these for 15k and still make a massive profit

why didnt you just call mercedes assist?

How utterly ridiculous. So just getting into an Audi transforms people into an aggressive, bad driver? No. They were a bad driver before they got into the car, has nothing to do with the car they are driving.

Just looking at this post,people do act different to what you drive,my other vehicle is a white van,and people do always seem to let you out more and give you more space when I am driving my van!
Just a point.

Oh that is small..lol!
My Touring is a 2011 plate ,and the exhaust is lot bigger so I guess it as been replaced long the line,but size is not everything!
But got to say love the car it handles very well and is a drivers car. What car have you now mate?

well im 23 and had my Audi A4 for 6 months now and indicate every time its needed as im always worrying about someone going into the back of me.

23, full uk licence for 6 years and havent had a single point on my licence nor have i had any bumps in the slightest.

Focus RS is surely young at heart? with Bmw being a bit more middle aged at heart.

In my experiece, as many Corsa's, Punto's, Fiesta's and Yaris's fail to use indicators as BMW's and Audi's. The higher end cars just seem to bring out the jealousy in people in discussion forums.

It's similar to being cut off by as many normal cars as taxi's but people remember the taxi drivers quicker because they're easier to stereotype.

Err Audi has tried to encompass too much in their range and haven't focused enough on the target market, they're almost the new generation of beetles/Porsches, why do they all look the same.

Mercedes has tried to include too many options as standard and from first hand experience, sacrificed on build quality (not visible, electronics and parts - I had a e350 AMG 14 plate, with 1400 on the clock, and ONE little cable behind accelerator pedal in wiring loom got chewed up, and his caused all sorts of malfunctions, where the car wouldn't start. Sorry if I held you up that day :smiley: broke down in traffic, locked in park gear because they are now electric gear shifters :smiley: and had to jack up the back using a trolley to get it off the road. Then, I've had a 64 plate c200 premium plus as mentioned above somewhere, this time with 14k on clock, with more than just standard options, adaptive cruise control, perfume dispenser, Adapatice lights which are the best across any brand in opinion as they have about 6 individual lights on each lamp allowing you to make a box around cars in front of you ( absolutely love this) with the burmester sound system and much more, however this has a quality control valve (wtf?) failure and car kept going in limp mode. Again under maintenance, they sent an engineer to my doorstep for 4 hours to diagnose vehicle to tell me it needs to go in to dealership. They told me the connection wasn't good, and they "bettered" it. Drove home, and same problem again. Booked back in they replaced the part and I even managed to catch the guy saying I was stupid for not leaving it with them for an extra day for observation (had to drive to Europe) maybe I should have complained :/ lol in any case Merc equals ****. Unless your paying over 70/80k. Have a 2006 Sl500 that's on 160k now, very well looked after and bar the common stuff no major issues, PSE pump is a bitch when it does go and it goes quite often, water in boot is not a good thing for those lol.

BMW on the other hand is bloody amazing :smile: . Of course you will have problems, that's a case of manufacturing and production defects. Everyone in the world has a percentage they will allow, but let's not dive in to why statistics are used to allow faulty parts that could potentially kill someone? Recall time anyone. But BMW have the sporty line up, bar the old peoples cars (2 series grand tourer, I mean really..?) 3 series is phenomenal. And the 3.0 litre engine they have has been in use for such a longtime because it is a powerhouse and runs like a train. Twin turbos did have common failure problems since the 10 plate models. Not sure if they have fixed that. Best 3 series BMW to get for reliability, 330i or diesel, I just like petrol :smiley: if you really need more power, remap, with upgraded suspension brakes and clutch/flywheel, unless your a chav and you only remap it, and wrap it around a lamp post.

BMW indicators are a pain to use, I only use them when I have to. Past the pressue point on the stalk, its a chore to turn them off without turning on the other indicator, if they don't go off automatically that is.

You'd need at least £3000 worth of extras on this. I'm not sure I'd buy a BMW diesel, better to go for Mercedes if you want diesel.
BMW - petrol
Mercedes - diesel

any one got a pcp quote on this/????

I've recently got the 435 xd - It's a whole lot of car for the money (Manged a £9k discount).

That's big Ron Pickering - Google him :smiley:

This Ron Pickering - not the ex-commentator :smiley:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3251966/I-m-Ronnie-Pickering-Driver-embarrasses-angry-know-road-rage-rant-moped-rider.html

Delusional, I'll think you'll find.

The only valid point you make is that it's not everyone with an Audi who can't drive. Just a very good proportion as demonstrated by other comments on here.

I remember I drove a 320d, back in 2013. The exhaust looked like it belonged to a micra lol.

Associating a car brand with bad drivers, you're dilusional. Good and bad for everything. People like you are just too easy to fool.

I can afford this car - I could even buy it cash. Will I? Nope. Do I think Audi drivers are aggressive and cannot drive well? Yes. So, it's not jealousy about not being able to have one at all. Of course, when an Audi driver gets some abuse for cutting someone up or not indicating, they'll think it's jealousy out of a misplaced sense of superiority. Having an expensive car does not make you a good driver.

Love BMWs (own a 1 series coupe) but I cant get over the Rep-mobile image of a 3/5 series. Having said that, you'd soon leave people in your wake with that engine and deal with bad weather with less drama than in a C or E class Merc.

Voted hot as it's a cracking discount that you can use to negotiate a PCP with if you don't have 30k tucked away. Also disagree that you NEED 5k worth of options, the car comes with the essentials and a bit more than a standard 3.

Great car. Huge performance bi-turbo V6.
Goes like a rocket!
Very tempted...

No size of the exhaust is not to tiny,but then again it is smaller then the Jaguar XF Mrs Cool drives!
But thank you for asking! Very kind of you chap.:smile:

Clearly it would be a 335d, not a Merc.


So what you're saying is if I want to buy a 335D, I should lease an E350 because it's cheaper?

I have just brought my 1st BMW 320d Touring, and if that is anything to go by this car is very special!

There's still some cars where aircon and a stereo are optional extras.

​lol Ill leave it alone xD

Pretty sure the Focus RS has suit compatible seats; most cars do.

Depends on WHAT you lease.

Lease a Premium Plus Merc, and you get much more included.
An E350 Premium Plus wouldn't need so many options.

Ok you've lost me, who's the geezer in the photo?

I am quite impressed that you consider that the brain processing power required to indicate routinely is higher than the brain processing power required to process your keen situational awareness and make an informed decision on wether or not indicating is needed in a specific circumstance.

In my case, I *try* to be aware of my surrounding but I don't consider myself omnipotent so I *try* to use indicators routinely. When doing so routinely, it becomes second nature and require extremely little thought, and if my attempts to be fully and entirely aware of my surrounding were to be not fully successful, then maybe my indicating might help other drivers avoid a accident.

Obviously, omnipotent and omniscient drivers don't need to take such precautions.

This market? lol

Slightly different target markets I think lol!

That's why said I to add the M Sport Plus Package. It includes:
2NH M Sport brakes
– 2PF M Star-spoke style 403 M
– 420 Sun protection glass
– 502 Xenon Headlights
– 522 Headlight wash
– 688 Loudspeaker system – harman/kardon

Which is much cheaper than adding the items individually. In addition to that, and having spent some time with a BMW that has these features, I'd argue that Adaptive Headlights, Electric front seats,Heads-up display and the adaptive headlights, whilst nice to have, are far far from essential. To be fair though the £247 for split folding rear seats is an essential IME.

The Infiniti FX, now renamed the GX70, is a crossover or off-roader rather than an estate. It's a fairly low slung and sleek one but it's still closer in height and ground clearance to something like a GLE than a typical estate and comes with four wheel drive as standard.


That's because the base trim is only available in white, so £495 of that price is the metallic paint charge and the rest is the cost to swap from Access to Ambiance trim. Not that £500 for metallic paint isn't a rip-off, but it's a fairly standard one for the UK market.

The mirage is a much slated car so it's not surprising Mitsubishi are doing all they can to sell it.

I was thinking Alfa was mad looking £1900 for 8C red, but come on for a Dacia and the metallic colours still even aint that nice.

£1300? :confused: They must have made too many white ones :laughing:

Even another extreme at the other end of the scale. Dacia Sandero headline price OTR £5995 in White Non-Metallic choose any other colour and its £7290. Just happen to be researching for cars for my sister and the bottom end of the scale,quite amazed at that one!
Then look at a Mitsubishi Mirage Attivo they only do 1 variant and the equipment is rather high spec right down to a reversing camera as standard for 12K list price.

Funny, I've just been doing exactly that and had it up to £47k without even trying.

Im trying to imagine ​wearing a suit in a FOCUS RS bahahahajaja

This is one of the things I always hated about BMW's and not to pick on them but some other brands also. I would have presumed for example if you where buying an M-Sport series that M-Sport brakes would have been part of that package. I was online configuring an Audi RS3 the other week and was also amazed that the extras that I would have presumed should have came as standard on the RS variants.

Wouldn't a new focus rs be a better deal than this, fuel economy would be worse but the focus should be the better drive.

That's a lot of car for £30k.

Pass as no dealers in N.Ireland but a quick trawl through Auto Traders website and seems to be some around £32k Demo's with the Hybrid AWD version though they seem to be alot higher spec'd than the BMW's. Much like yourself have never actually seen one in the flesh and personally would prefer a "niche" car than something that everyone else has got. They used to do an estate (only noticed through Autotrader) an FX which is maybe what the other poster has noticed. Guess the power of sponsoring Red Bull F1 does pay off as personally I would never have even looked them up without that advertisement. Real pity no dealerships in N.Ireland as I would really have considered one did look at the "clone" or whatever way round you would like to call it of the Lexus but price wise the Infitinti is much better value. Here's a video link from the 2014 models and it really is like spot the difference.
Though still I think I'll wait on the Alfa Giulia :smiley:

Infinti Q50 Vs Lexus IS350 USA

Surely once you add the options you've listed it would make more sense to buy than lease?
If I spent £10k on toys, I'd want to get the most out of them.

​I knew you would respond with Yaris'

That's how I would have written it, but I think you are contradicting yourself. I basically think it's time you stopped making the same comment every time someone on here 'misuses' one of your precious apostrophes - they're not on any endangered lists or anything, plenty to go around.

Don't go anywhere near run flat tyres and my 320 sport convertible got 2 cracked alloys took a lot of time and effort to get money off bmw for them, there is a known fault a few years ago don't know if the problem still exists. google cracked alloys.

The 3.5L Hybrids might qualify, but are they available for £30k? Is anyone offering pre-arranged discounts on Infinitis at all?


Infiniti don't do an estate, only crossovers and saloons so it was probably a crossover. As far as I'm aware the crossovers all have big 3L engines which is likely why they're unpopular.

The Q50 and Q70 undoubtedly lose some sales from only being available as a saloon rather than a hatchback or estate but otherwise I'm not sure why they're so niche - although I haven't seen one in the flesh.

They've got a new British-built Q30 medium hatchback coming along soon to compete with the A3, Golf, Civic, 1-series, Focus, A-Class etc. I'm sure they'll launch a big advertising campaign when those reach showrooms.

Works fine but Yaris' would be better.

Hot Hot Hot I'm 30K short could probably scrape the £694

You're going to want to add:

* Parking Pack £529
* Adaptive Cruise Control £601
* Adaptive Suspension £500
* Adaptive Headlights £1271
* Electric front seats £917
* Heads-up display £800
* Auto-dimming mirrors £291
* Comfort access £480
* Surround sound £655
* Professional media package £873
* M sport brakes £553
* Split-fold rear seats £247

Basically AT LEAST £5k of options, and maybe £10k.

You aren't going to buy the car for the advertised price, because it NEEDS so many options.

BMW won't price their cars 'fully loaded', because it disguises how much spec you need.

If you look at used prices:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201510067563762

That one has £6k (at least!) of options, so if you add that to the £30,700, you get £36,700.

So that car which is RETAILING at £28,850, has lost £8,000 in a year. P-x value is perhaps £26,000

So you are going to lose nearly £1,000 per month on this over the first year. FACT.

Anyone who thinks they can buy this car today and sell it in a year for the same price is an IDIOT.

This car will lose around £20,000 over 3 years.

It will be SOOOOOOOOOO much cheaper to lease.

That's a bargain I'll take 2 at that price

Do you honestly believe that is funny?
47% discount off a Beemer?

Nothing spectacular, always discounted like this. Also note, that these come very poorly equipped. No factory xenons or even nice wheels. Hasn't even got heated seats! Needs another £3k in options at a minimum.

I assume there are no indicators on this?

I bought a 335xd tourer in June 2014 with a similar discount. Drivethedeal were quoting £11K discount and my local dealer beat that and offered £12K discount. I did go overboard with the options but I can honestly say that I have been very happy with it. It has averaged 42mpg from new in mixed use and will do 50mpg on the Motorway and a best of 58mpg. A previous comment questions the gearbox, but I can confirm this is the dual clutch and it is absolutely seamless. I paid for the steering wheel paddles and I wouldn't recommend it. The auto is so good you just won't use it. I have done 30000 miles now and the only thing that went wrong was a stone damaging the radiator at 26K. BMW recovered the car (230 miles) gave me a 5 series hire car and the local dealer replaced the radiator under warranty as a goodwill gesture. I also purchased 4 separate wheels with winter tyres and combined with the XDrive it would embarrass many a 4x4!

Just drove a 2015 BMW 3 series 330D xdrive and can say it was one of the best car I drove.

This is the 335 and should be even better

I think Infiniti have yet to find a market here. The dealer near me has dozens of the kind of estate looking car (apologies not certain of the model). Never seen one on the road and looks like there is little to no used market.

My mate at work ( BMW Coleshill ) has this car, we can lease them for £275 a month, it is awesome. However I have just purchased a 5 series active hybrid which p*sses all over this, pre-reg, delivery mileage, with a discount of 47%.
Top of the range Msport with Msport plus package and 5 years service inclusive, list OTR £54,000, available for almost half that.

Dear Mr Taxman, please reduce my P11D to match the NEW £30k price not the original RRP price!

Forgot it was the x-drive. I had a 330d estate for three years, until I had to buy an s-max portacabin to fill with dogs and kids. Got left at home once due to snow during those 3 years - best car I've ever owned.

Bmw drivers getting alot of stick on here, it seems the volvo and merc drivers are the nonses round my parts.

Will buy VW, when the price will go down soon.

When it snows, this 335D with X-drive will be sailing past most cars, especially if it gets a set of winter tyres.

wow i shall have to test drive one on the weekend. My company car is due a upgrade!

Just be aware that these deals are not that straightforward. You are by no means guaranteed to get this price. Its an aspirational price quoted by Broadspeed, and at best may be a lot less of a discount, and at worst not available at all. Also they are not a cash price, but usually tied into a complax and expensive finance arrangement.

All that money, all that power, all that prestige!

All smiles as I sail past you when it snows.

I love a good mi'splaced apos'trophe

This is a hot deal imo. Looking at the touring version myself though as needs to function as dog transporter also. The coast2coast link looks interesting.

Indeed - I love giving them a hard time in my remapped leon 184.

"so if I sell after a year of use and not lose anything that would be awesome! "
maybe i read this wrong but what makes you think you'll use the car for a year and not lose any money?

The car was £40k but is now £30k, the same as a 1yr old car. In 1 yr the car you buy will be worth say £5-10k less. All this price reduction will do is massively depreciate the car that someone bought a year ago.

anybody know what the PCP payment will be on this car?

ahahahaha too right man, alot of these 2.0d drivers think they're top of the food chain.

is this on quidco?

Buy it, remap it, and watch the Porsches struggle to hold onto the back of you. Nigh on 400bhp and 550lb/ft torque.

One to keep an eye on...Alfa Romeo Giulia, though the Quadrifoglio version is running at 70k Euro around £52k and you would have to wait until next year for any other version (as you can tell from my pic I might be abit biased with that one!). Also the Infiniti Q30 or Q50 currently think they are great spec for the money although personally for myself no dealerships anymore in Northern Ireland more or less same car as the Lexus for less money.
Voted hot btw great car for this price point.

The service pack is definitely worth it. I just had a service at 19k last week, computer telling me next one due in only 4000 miles, paid for itself already I say. So not always massive intervals I suggest.

Got to love hot uk deals....pick any car thread you like for hilarious attempts at point scoring

I don't see 'poverty spec' listed as an option?

Its £30245.46 here

Where can one get finance for one of these bad boys?

nice car... the LED light option is a must!!

Consider the 330D too, marginally higher 0-62 10MPH better fuel economy and 5 groups lower on the insurance.

Haha! Best laugh i've had all-day. Nothing like a smart-**** getting his **** handed to him. :laughing:

because he's the type of moron with nothing about him. never had the mentality to make something of himself and so hates on people that have.

I always love to read these threads. the sheer level of jealousy makes me smile every time :-)

Cold, it's a lying, cheating,pollution monster.Willing to change my stance if they drop the price further............:smile:

The plural of Yaris must be Yaree :smiley:

Should it say this?

"as many Corsas, Puntos, Fiestas and Yariss"

Doesn't work does it?

its a hell of a lot of car for the money. Not the LCI model hence the price.

this is how people think nowadays, it's a case of "If I can't have it, I don't want anyone else having it!"
Sad really. People choose to spend their money on what they like. Others should respect that. As a single bloke, I spaffed money each month on a nice car. Now I'm settled, my money is better spent into my house with my wife. So I bike to work and she's drives a 56 plate auto with awesome mpg.

GET A ROOM YOU TWO!!!!!

inb4 the **** "hot, bought 3" unfunny comments -.-

Hot as can be,

Soo cheap, for a car - would hardly even dent the bank balance

Anyone seen the lead time on these...nothing on the website as far as I can see

Lucky you. Plenty of others haven't had such luck (but only themselves to blame)

On my 5th bm now and never had any fuss. I should have said the first service interval is 20,000 or 2 years and it's staggered after that

I rest my case. That's why there's been so many issues with timing chain tensioner failure from the longlife oil change regime.

The service intervals are 20,000 miles or 2 years on the 3 series

I think my original point was a lot more measured than your characterisation of it my reactionary friend :smiley:

Wouldn't bother with a service pack they don't necessarily give the car an oil and filter change at least every year or every 10,000 miles...

Don't think I will ever pay 30k for a car, anyone can just walk past and scratch it, just watch ppl in car parks how many just don't give a toss and wack their doors into other cars. Personally would sooner have a modest car and put the other money into my house or something. And crazy to buy brand new when if you go for slightly used the price difference will likely be huge. If your a millionaire and 30k is pocket money to you then fair enough.

Just goes to show how mainstream these cars are now, and what good value they are - I'm trying to get some discount on a new Land Rover Discovery Sport, so far I might get £500 off a £47k car!

No, I purchased from BMW. The local dealership contributed £5000 and BMW £6000. I'm not sure of the actual service pack price as it was included in the deal. I also purchased another with identical spec for my girlfriend (just without the performance kit) and they also discounted that by £7000

I've got a 330d MSport Cabriolet.Fantastic car but recently (2 weeks ago) spent 5 days stuck in Dijon waiting for a rear tyre. Run flats can't be repaired and are very uncomfortable but maybe saved our lives as it as a piece of metal a couple of inches long that caused the blowout on the autoroute. Non run flats mat have just blown up and not allowed us to drive to safety. I'm very disappointed at BMW handling a this car doesn't handle nearly as well as my wife's previous POorsche Cayenne S. I expected better. Does this come with dual clutch? My dealer insisted mine did but it's just paddles on the steering wheel not dual clutch. Buy the 3 year servicing option for peace of mind, cheap as chips. The list for my car was over £48,000 as it was a very highly spiced demo but I paid £33,000 with 6,000 miles. I don't have variable steering but I'm told it's a worthwhile option as I find the steering surprisingly vague for a performance car. Hop this helps. Btw I believe M3 is the only model not on run flats.
List for a rear run flat €650 each. Allopneus considerably cheaper but I've had to pay list previously

What would you suggest as a comparable 300bhp medium-large saloon?

Insignia VXR? £2k cheaper from the same place but petrol instead of diesel so likely to have higher running costs. Um... I'm struggling to think of anything else without a 'badge'. Maybe the Ford Mustang but that's no cheaper, also petrol and only had two doors.

in the last couple weeks i have noticed that most of the new 3 series on the road sare being driven by oap's, generally sitting at 40 in the slow lane of dual carriageways with lorries thundering past them at 50, and me? oh im in the corsa in the middle of the 6 mile tailback

Er no, defo not. 4x4/SUV drivers and then Vauxhall drivers for not indicating and tailgating in my experience

But the truth never ages!

Jealousy is a terrible trait. That joke is way past boring now get some new material.

And the Skoda owner is more likely to be grown up, not a cocky photocopier salesman-in-training who thinks the world should get out of his way.

Well spotted and good point!

The Skoda Citigo is proof that your UP! wasn't good value - the Skoda is the same car at a lower price, that VW badge cost you about £1,000.

The 1980s have been on the phone looking their jokes back...

Greengrocer's assistant?

The car comes as standard with an auto box - its already a v good box, however "sport auto" gives you the paddles behind the steering wheel and possible quicker changes from memory.

I personally would tick the box for the sake of a few £

Well worth having this for the clogged up UK roads :stuck_out_tongue:

I heard a mechanic say the nut behind the wheel can be major problem with these cars, particularly this make.

I wouldn't bother with the upgraded sat nav either. The business edition it comes with is great. I had it on my last 3 series, displays emails/texts on screen (doesn't let you read them when driving, just shows who they are from), Bluetooth audio from your phone. The upgraded version has a wider screen, not worth the extra. I'm surprised some of those extras aren't already included. I had a 320 M Sport convertible as my last car and it had lumbar support, headlight wash, heated seats, split rear seats. Rear view camera sounds great but I have one in my current car and rarely use it. You still need to use your mirrors, it only comes in handy when you want to park an inch away from something which is rare. The big surprise on that list is auto box for only £136, that's definitely worth having.

Someone mentioned service packs think about how long you will own the car, if you're going to have it for 5 years then it's worth it, any less and it's not. I had mine 2 years from new and paid the £300ish for the 5 year service pack (might be more for 3 litre) and only had one service. That service would have been about £170, it added no value when I traded the car in. Selling privately might help but not on a trade in.

If the dealership are out of giant "I'm a ****" badges then a BMW is the next best thing!

Better than two wheel drive of either front or rear. :smiley:

As the car isn't in the dealers yet you're right the description shows no options. However, they are listed under standard equipment at the moment. So sports transmission is listed under standard equipment transmission when it's actually an option.
You'd be surprised of the discounts that are available off the screen price. Remember this deal from Broadspeed will actually come from a BMW dealer. So if they're offering 23% off list on a new build car there is plenty of room for negotiation on used cars as well. Granted not to that amount though.

All wheel drive, ah, that's a real step up from 4 wheel drive--------------Wait a minute???

That ISNT the car you'd be getting. That one has upgraded alloys, and the sports auto box.

Its one of the reasons why i didnt post a specific pic - hard to find a standard one.

Realistically the "posh" meal IS better, and you're paying for the experience / ambience just as much as for the food itself.

However, my point was, you're likely to be an awful lot more critical on something that you consider you've paid a premium for compared to what you might consider a "bread and butter" (no pun intended) item.

Hence why your skoda owner is more likely to be pleased and satisfied with his car than someone whos bought a top end audi with much the same running gear.

I genuinely wouldnt have half of that stuff. Defo on the enhanced sat nav, but theres stuff there i wouldnt have.

So we're back to about £34K.

You're doing very well getting 10% off a used car TBH.

Also, if i was spending that sort of money again on a car i personally would go the bit extra and get a new one. Its what i did when i got my 535d M Sport, and then subsequently my X5, and also on my wifes 3 series then two z4s.

But each to their own.

EDIT - the car in your link is coming up with NO optional equipment?

This is true...once, after spending £150 on a meal at a posh restaurant..me and the missus popped in to McDonald's on the way home as we were still hungry!!!

The £10 McDonald's was way more filling and satisfying than the posh meal.

I ended up realising that rich people will pay a premium for they envisage must be better...but the reality is they are just getting conned with heavily overpriced food and wine. The £25 bottle of wine in the restaurant (cheapest on the menu I recall) was a wine you could get for £7 a bottle online.

In some ways you get what you pay for but to me it's a con.

Nope. These are what I would call essentials
Adaptive M Sport suspension... £500
Adaptive headlights - LED (requires... £825
Advanced Parking Pack - rear-view c... £529
Armrest - front centre, sliding... £44
Bluetooth - enhanced, USB audio/voi... £340
Electric seats - front, driver memo... £917
Headlight wash £209
Heated seats - front £315
Heated seats - rear (requires heate... £272
Interior Comfort Pack - split fold ... £456
Lumbar support - front £257
Mirrors - power-fold, auto-dim... £291
Media Pack Professional - BMW Profe... £873
Sun protection glass £257
Sport automatic transmission... £136

Whilst it might have sat nav its not the professional which nearly all BMW demonstrators will have. Most will also have the above options especially the adaptive suspension and the sport automatic transmission. Don't get me wrong this is a cracking deal but, the options are essential when it come to resale value. So if I chose with above spec it would be £36915. So something like this one which has a screen price of £33k can be had for around £30k or less with haggling. How do I know? Well I've been car hunting at the weekend and nearly every dealer I spoke to without much persuasion was knocking nearly 10% off the screen sticker price.
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/3-Series/3.0TD-313bhp-335d-xDrive-M-Sport/Wilmslow/3743950-605311235-3497189.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_

any pictures? too much text to read for options... need pictures of what the actual car would look like...

And that doesnt make you sound like you've a chip on your shoulder does it?

Wow. Are you a super hero? Are you dynamo?
What driving ability allows you to own the road and what special powers do you have to assess them?

​bandwagon? I see it several times a day. BMWs driving by idiots with an over inflated sense of entitlement, wanting to own the road without the driving ability to warrant it

You're on a roll today!! :smiley:

Excellent price, some good deals out there. I saved £11,000 off a new 325d m sport with plus pack, performance pack and 5 years servicing from BMW last month. The 3 series handles superb and having been used to the 5 series it doesn't feel too much smaller to be honest either

This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've seen on here...

Last time I heard that joke I laughed so hard I fell off my dinosaur.

Hot from me!

Can your vw up get to 0-60 in 4.6 seconds?

This is obviously not a car for the economically conscious. It's a performance machine. You're comparing apples and oranges.

A Ferrari could take a clutch every 5,000 miles.

By your reckoning they must be terrible cars.

Also, dont forget part of the problem with customer satisfaction surveys is customer expectations. If you go into mcdonalds and they serve you a burger and fries for £5.99 in a cardboard box and of questionable quality, we'll you're probably going to be happy enough as it was cheap and it met your expectations. Spend £50 on a meal somewhere and your expectations are going to be much higher.

All knobs apart..cracking motor.

We could get in to the whole VW debacle, are they such value for money when their emissions are not as they are supposed to be on diesels and can you trust the MPG figures then? You're also comparing a very basic 1 litre city car to a BMW twin turbo diesel with 317bhp. If some one wants that engine and power then your VW Up is entirely useless to them and even if it was £1 it doesn't fit their criteria. You forget that we all don't like the same things and have different buying criteria.

I like to buy things that are value for money like my VW Up. If BMW's are so good then , why are Skoda's more reliable? Year after year in Auto Express, Skoda come above all the German car makers for ease of ownership.

can you add a service pack...how much?

Good price but, you'll need to add around £5k of extras to get this up to a decent spec. Once you've done that just go to the BMW used car website and you're likely to find a similar car with a few miles on for around 15% less

I've not made any criticisms of BMW on here. I'm sure some of your points are valid, but they would be on a car of this price and people would take that in to consideration. As for getting stuck in traffic, I'm not sure what you mean. Which others car don't? My Golf does so I'd like a car that doesn't ever get stuck in traffic that's definitely worth £35K to me.

Ok, I'm not going to sink to your level. You have to admit the technology is terrible, a BMW will still break down, get stuck in traffic, high insurance and the mpg is a embarrassing.

For road use this is all the performance you'll ever need. Seriously rapid cars. The auto gearbox is a joy on these and in Estoril Blue they look the business, though for something a little more subtle they do a nice metallic grey as well.

I'd be ticking the M Sport Plus pack and adaptive suspension (n.b. on the X drive cars they don't come with M sport suspension, as the 4WD mechanism raises the ride height or something like that, thus you get normal suspension, that's why adaptive suspension is an absolute must apparently!) as the minimum on this if I weren't moving house soon.

The price discount, which is common on cars costing that sort of money, is exactly why when looking at lease deals people should consider the real cost to buy vs the leasing costs, not the RRP, as only fools pay the RRP nowadays.

As a BMW owner myself I take some pleasure in letting folks out of junctions and always indicating. The worst drivers on the road for me though are probably those in company motors, like Insignias and Passats (obviously that's just my opinion though).

I did the same and it came back with 'expensive mug you can't afford'

I googled BMW and it came back "Mug".

Although buying a 2nd hand car cheaper is nice, it is not the same as having a car from new. Knowing all of its history, knowing it hasn't been thrashed, knowing it hasn't been damaged and repaired.

...and of course, longer warranty for added peace of mind.

Amazing the lengths sheep go to get a plastic badge. For that money, i would want at least 200 mpg.

Agreed.

Adding a few options to this offer brings it up to around the £33,000 mark.

The cheapest 2014 model on AutoTrader is £27,251 and has 39,546 miles. I'd expect to secure it for around £26,000 (probably dropping to £25,000 by end of year).

That gives an £8,000 drop over 2 years, and 40k miles, from new.

If I bought the 2014 model for £25,000, I'd expect to get around £16,000 for it after 2 years and 40k miles.

That means that depreciation, over 2 years, would cost £8,000 on the new model and £9,000 on the 2-year old model.

Of course, selling the 2-year old model back to a dealer won't result in you achieving the above 'sticker price' of £25,000 - likely to be around 15% less.

However, in my case, I would be buying to hold for the long-term - and I find the idea of owning a brand new car at a lower cost over the first 2 years than the second 2 years quite appealing.

Because she got in the wrong lane to cut in front.

*No way in hell, do I have any issues with drivers of nice cars. With great power comes great responsibility :smirk:. Some drivers abuse it, causing illegal and often dangerous manoeuvres. The irony is that if she hit me, I would have been the dead one.

Just for awareness, Broadspeed offer good prices, they do ask for their cut of the deal upfront, paid directly to them not the dealer, unlike other brokers (such as Carfile), as well as having to give the dealer a deposit too.

I ordered a car with them, had to pay £1500 upfront to get the deal, and then unfortunately due to issues with my job had to cancel the order, Broadspeed elected to trouser the money, their prerogative of course, but has made me think twice about ever using them again as they'd not really done a huge amount to justify holding on to all that money beyond putting me in touch with a dealer.

It's their business model in fairness, just be sure that you won't need to cancel because you have no comeback if you do.

I can't afford it but want it. Just for all those drivers who get in the wrong lanes to cut in front.

Just the other day, there was a rich cow in an RS q3. The power on that thing is crazy, compared to my little cooper s.

Thats a cracking deal! I'm tempted to replace my 330d lease with one of these. My current lease expires in April, can you put a deposit down to secure does anyone know? Cheers.

Especially those with a TFL Private Hire badge.....
Grrrr

I agree, Audi drivers are worse now. But BMW drivers aren't much better. It's a case of "your car can't be better than mine, therefore I have higher privileges on the road and I'm better then you"

The jealousy on here is amazing sometimes ..... its supposed to be about the deal, not on whether a person indicates or not, or if a car can be driven in the snow!

Great car, great deal - if you can afford it because yes its a lot of money but just because you cant afford it doesnt make it a bad deal or mean that you have to slate the product be it a BMW here or a deal elsewhere.

List prices are very misleading, I got over £12,000 off my 5 series from a main dealer. Also I applied th same logic of I'm getting a brand new car for 1 year old car money but I can say that that it doesn't stack up. Fact is the true value of these cars are the discounted prices in the first place and nowhere near the list. You are much better off getting a demonstrator, but these are awesome cars. Finally adaptive drive/ variable damper control are a must on the 5's and bigger, but on a 3 they're so sorted to start with I doubt you need it.

ordered 10 to sell on ebay for 35k each 4K profit multiplied by 10 is 40k profit. Not bad cheers OP!

I also drive a BMW and most often DONT indicate !! But then , I did the same thing when I was driving a Ford as well...

I only indicate when its useful .. when I see someone who will benefit from the indicators .. I have very keen sense of situational awareness though ...

I find the rote nature of indicating even when it takes away the drivers attention and benefits no one around a bit stupid ! The idea should be that you are aware of all around you and they know what you are doing !!

I knew even before going into the comments thread that someone would say write the "the no indicator joke".

I guess what could be worse than a BMW driver?.................A BMW driver with an Apple Iphone. (Apple lovers/owners also get a hard time on here).

..and no I do not owner a BMW or an Iphone. Moto G and drive a Nissan Micra

They wouldn't get any sales though.

Fitted with emissions defeat software?

BMW sell a lot of cars to companies, hell, they even have model trims that only companies can buy that you won't find in the new car showroom!

320i It is!

Scandal aside, I think Audi provides more kit for the money.Good deal nevertheless!

In my experience BMWs aren't normally company cars for the masses, because they're a bit too expensive. Out of all my friends with company cars most cost sub £25k new.

Cracking price for this. Voted hot

Don't forget to include BMW's in your company car list - wannabe company car choice of the masses.

Very Quick Car with good economy, I'd choose white though

Worth buying one of these because each one comes with a special permit to park in disabled bays.

Great price but more Extra's than the Braveheart movie..... Seriously considering this....

I have the petrol version of this and would miss the noise too much! Great deal for a cracking motor

it's slightly cheaper at coast2coast at £30,245.46

Also big savings on the 340i

http://www.coast2coastcars.co.uk/car-quote/?manufacturer_id_F=6&model_body_id_F=22%2C7&ID=VD6LBB95ZVT00MQ&vehicle_type_F=C

Cheers ordered as a runabout.

extensive options list :confused:

​Do i detect a hint of jealousy?

Is the car tax fixed or likely to end up being negotiable? whether you like it or not?

Absolute belting deal! Cracking car to drive.

Hot.

Look forward to seeing one of these rammed up my crease on the way to work at some point as the lorry Infront slowly crawls up a hill and the big tool in the rocket ship expects me to sprout wings and get out way. BMW showrooms should have kn0b-dars fitted to prevent idiots from buying these...but I guess that'll be extra :smiley: does look nice though and that extra 10k can go towards a conservatory. Win win!

Think you'll find normal people drive BMW's now....Audi's are now the current car of choice for the 'no indicators' and magnetic front bumper brigade...

hahahaha

Oh dear, I guess they aren't selling very well.

Hugely quick diesel, get one now before the EU takes all the fun away.

Yet rarely are

a lot of money but good price