Good gaming spec, though for this sort of money ~ £700, I'd rather buy a peugeot 306 (1.8 litre, petrol ect) for the greater fuel efficiency.

http://www.freshtechsolutions.co.uk/intel-core-i5-4460-120gb-ssd-8gb-1600mhz-gtx-970-4gb-core-gaming-pc.html

£1 more for a 120GB SSD, I think its worth it.

Not forgetting the i5 and the 970 :smiley:

Decent price but be warned the motherboard is super low end and not very good like most of these pre-built PCs.

Building it yourself at least you know what you're putting in it
The PSU is good which is the main thing though. This is the next best thing to building it yourself

Decent deal considering it actually has a good case and psu.

Looks good to me

A motherboard can hold back a system enormously. I used to run an FX8350 on a Asrock 970 Extreme 3 and the board held it back so much. Tried the same setup with a Crosshair V and it was an incredible difference.

http://www.freshtechsolutions.co.uk/intel-core-i5-4460-120gb-ssd-8gb-1600mhz-gtx-970-4gb-core-gaming-pc.html

£1 more for a 120GB SSD, I think its worth it.

This is awesome, it would be no to dissimilar from what i would i build, i'd have a slightly better mother board and a small ssd too though. Don't be afraid of the price, its a well picked out machine. 970 will blast through any game in 1080p

Hmm, but for gamers 120GB isn't ideal

how so? i dont see how switching the board would improve performance. i can only imagine the only advantage out og the box being higher bus speeds for ram which have almost no impact on games and as someone else said overclocking. i think you must have had another problem. maybe a faulty board or thermal throttling or something or other

Good price and setup. I have recently built a new PC for gaming using a i5 4460, MSI z97 gaming 3 motherboard, 8gb ram, gtx660, cx600m PSU...seeing much better performance compared to my old c2q6700 setup. I will be changing the gtx660 for a gtx970 in the future when it gets a bit cheaper...I chose the MSI z97 gaming 3 motherboard because I got it on a good flubit offer :stuck_out_tongue:

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+£80 for Windows OS (unless you're prepared to take the risk of a pirated copy).

Good gaming spec, though for this sort of money ~ £700, I'd rather buy a lightweight gaming laptop (i7 / GTX 850m etc) for the greater versatility.

wow! wicked computer! sort of a bargain for everything you get inside!

It was all to do with the power phases on the board limiting the CPUs potential. Couldn't supply enough juice for the high end processor which turned into a considerable bottleneck.

Yeah thats usually what the OP highlights then you click the link and find a 200w non-branded psu and a poor airflow case. :')

Are they the only two options?

Oh right, that makes sense. however, that should technically be classed as an incompatible board with that cpu if that was indeed the case.

You can get legit OS keys for cheap from ebay / g2a etc.

I prefer sailing the high seas.

Also linux is an option.

Anyone know what brand the RAM and Graphics card is? I've had a reference card before and it was very bad in terms of cooling.

I appreciate the budget motherboard lacks a lot of features like fast M2, SATA Express, a better sound chip/codec, well isolated headphone amp, more than 16GB of memory, overclocking features for a K series CPU upgrade at a later date, etc, etc, etc but then that would make the price of the rig less competitive; at least they haven't done what so many companies do and fitted a cheap and cheerful power supply. I am as much for building your own as the next person and though with pre-builts you often have the frustration of being stuck with the 1 year warranty of the usually non-retail box OEM components inside, for the specification that you are getting, here, I think it's a cracking deal for a pre-built. Hot.

Exactly. Plus a lot of people may already have an OS key they can use.

Anyway, what type (if any) of games would this struggle with?

Just search websites like aliexpress for Windows keys. I've bought dozens for about £4 each or so and all have worked perfectly. I guess the 99.9% would rather not though.

BOOOOM!

What brand/model gpu is inside it? I'm guessing it's that crappy scaled down MATX gigabyte one.

Damn I just a bought one a few days ago, does anyone know if I'll get Batman with it or am I also missing out on that deal?

Right, thanks.

good PSU. got the £300 medion refurbish (I5 4440, 8gb) from a few weeks ago, chucked this psu and a r9 285 in it and it smashes everything on 1080p .

Got to be worth a pound? Will The Witcher & Arkham Knight come with this?

I have a Palit 970 in my Fractal Define R5. Highest temp I've seen is 75c, and the system as a whole is far quieter than my PS4.

So you switched chipsets and that made a massive improvement... I am not surprised by this? Actually I kinda am surprised looking at the specs, a 970 vs a 990FX doesn't look like much of a jump except in number of PCI-E lanes which would make a difference if you were using four cards at once or something.

This is where Intel's system has an advantage, nearly everything that matters for system performance is on the CPU with the exception of the southbridge (ethernet, SATA, audio, probably something else I'm forgetting) so there is no performance difference between a cheap and expensive board except overclocking support.


Seconded there, 850M is quite nice but it isn't a power house. I'm looking at upgrading from a big gaming laptop to a desktop, my dual 680Ms while they cost something like £1500 two years ago get clobbered by a single 980 (25-33% better). Desktop over laptop wherever possible (i.e. where a mini ITX computer is portable enough).

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If you are stupid to buy keys from g2a then more fool you. Most keys from that place are bought in from Russia or MSDN. That's why people have so many issues with keys being locked out or not allowed to register the keys due to being region locked.

Region lock is for games, it shouldn't affect MS Windows.

No reviews?

As a novice with a PC that's getting near its death, would this be worth the additional money, I don't game too much but wonder if the i7 would provide better value for money?

http://www.freshtechsolutions.co.uk/custom-built-computers/intel-geforce-gaming-computers/intel-z97m-i7-4790k-2tb-ssd-16gb-2400mhz-gtx-750-1gb-core-gaming-pc.html

How would this be for editing in Premier Pro and After Effects?

how is the case on this? thinking about buying from freshtech with this case or the CIT vanquish.

Yeah but is it really worth sacrificing your Monday afternoon Greggs sausage roll for a 120gb SSD?

for those in the know, would this system be good for using the oculus rift on? I've no idea on the graphical demands the rift puts on a PC. Would love to try some driving games using the rift, particularly project cars :smiley:

The Rift is essentially a 1080p display that needs to be kept at 60hz so users don't vomit. In short yes it should be good, good enough for battlefield 4 at least.

Buy a HDD. A decent 7200RPM vs SSD marginal difference in gaming performance unspeakable difference in cost :smiley:

It says they do, under the product spec "Nvidia Geforce GTX 970 4gb Includes The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt and Batman Arkham Knight Games"

Heat added, seems like a good price for what you are getting.

Looking at custom builds myself, and found an i7 4790k with a gtx 960 card, but for around 100 more
Wondered if it's better to have an i7 or the 970 card? Gaming being key but will also be used for office etc

Unbranded RAM - Anything that never states a make and model should make you shudder.

Careful on the case - its MATX only so if you do finally decide that the board is poor (which it is) then you cant fit a nommal ATX board.

Freshtech have a very poor reputation as a system builder, plenty of poor reviews around about them, hence why you only get a years warranty. Expect cable management to look like a 5 tear old has done it and minimal testing before its shifted out the door. There has to be corner cutting in order to flog cheap custom PC's.

Naturally, as most will say, build your own then you know its tested properly and you can use a decent case, RAM and Motherboard. (nothing against Fractal Design here, they are very good, just get something that does not limit upgrades - you will keep your case for many upgrades if its good enough). For those that don't have the time or know how then stick with a decent system builder. You wouldn't buy a Ferrari from a back street car dealer would you?

Oh and for the record, Palit have come on very well in the last few Nvidia generations of GPU - Top 3 brand for reliability although their support is dire in the UK, but then if you have a system builder with a good warranty then you wouldn't have to worry......oh wait!

Wonder how they are doing it cheaper then the parts price.. so weird. probably some sort of tax dodge!

I know that. My point was it will translate to the lowest of the low brand who no one has heard of that will come out of QC with minimal testing (if any) and slopped together by a system integrator with again minimal testing.

I've had many different RAM configurations in the past but never had a failing stick, not ever. Everything seems to fail before the RAM hense why most well-known manufacturers give you a "life-time limited warranty" lol.
The last thing I'd worry about is what name is on the RAM.
That's just my opinion though.
I'd be more worried about the motherboard.

That makes no sense. That asrock board has plenty enough power phases to handle an 8350. It lists support for it, sound like you had a faulty board.

There will be no difference between the h81 board found in this system and a z97 in terms of performance.

Awesome deal, love it - well done!

I have seen hundreds if not thousands of failed RAM sticks in my time. DOA or FOA RAM is probably around the 5-10%, even on the decent brands. "Unbranded", or if you like "unknown" RAM its a much higher rate. Often many do not know their RAM is up the spout, and I'm not talking about a few passes on memtest here. Lifetime warranty on RAM is all well enough until you cant find out where to RMA it, or if you are lucky find out you have to send it to the other side of the world for an exchange.

That's not strictly true although the performance margin is probably not a concern to most.

Regarding RMA. I haven't had to do that yet :smiley:

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Got it off the bay of e the other day for £15.

Great price to me. Bought one very similar to this from Freshtech and it's been brilliant! 2nd PC from them in fact and the last one was flawless too, just decided to get something a bit better for gaming. Trust them 100%.

Oh and to some of those asking, the GPU is a Palit GTX 970. Running GTA & Project Cars beautifully! :smiley:

Have the same setup from freshtech but with a gtx 780. Had it for a year now and had no problems at all, everything at high to ultra. The 970 is better than the 780. But my friend bought this build but with a better case from freshtech and the heatsink came loose in transit and computer kept shutting down. He put it back in himself and its been fine since.

I take it this doesn't have built in WiFi?

No wifi i had to add it to the basket at checkout and they fitted it to the build.

Witcher 3 & Batman Arkham Knight included too :smiley:

No bad for the money.

The only thing is I'd recommend anyone buying it budgets for atleast £100 extra for Windows license and an SSD to get the full power out of the system.

Deal for a straightforward gaming machine. Sensibly balanced system for the money.
Decent little case, psu not the best but adequate and 600W gives it some headroom so it won't work too hard, basic but perfectly good mobo, 7200rpm, 8GB RAM (even if unbranded). 970 etc. Can add SSD later if bothered. Games inc. too.
But 'Overclocking Potential' - err no. If you want to OC, start with a different mobo, psu, cpu ...
Gets my vote as hard to do better for the cash.

The boards hold back the high end AMD chips much more due to their high power draw. In this case though it really isn't an issue, provided you don't intend on overclocking you won't notice a low end board on a current Intel processor.

Great deal... I just hope it goes away before I buy it. Damn you Hot UK Deals!

Low-end mothercard, no operating system,...
But The Witcher 3Wild Hunt and Batman Arkham Knight are coming with it (look for Graphics Card in Specification)

GTA5 is around 60GB alone, just to install. Not including the updates.

Does this come with the stock I5 cooler? If so it's probably best to factor in £25-£30 for 212 EVO

Not convinced at all.

I have buckets of unused OEM Win 7 licences... It's a pity I'm not allowed to sell them on HUKD :-( .

Can anyone recommend a good graphics card and Micro ATX or Mini ITX motherboard under £200? i bought this case http://www.morecomputers.com/extra.aspx?pn=FD-CA-CORE-1100-BL

Is there a catch to this? I built my own PC so I don't care about this, but at a glance this is an amazing price with a great GPU, which is usually what they skip out on to profit off it past paying what they would from the suppliers instead of retail price for parts. How are they profiting off this? 600 quid sounds about right for even building it yourself, give or take a few quid.

EDIT: Oh right, no operating system. I don't usually take this in to account because I get it free from being a student.

DDR3? not really for gaming but not bad for this price. not voting hot or cold.

thanks for this

sorry, should be GDDR. is it 5 or 3?

Damn that case is ugly

Is it as simple as whipping my hard drive out of current PC and throwing it in this to obtain an OS?

For those that can't afford it, there is a GTX 960 version for nearly £100 cheaper

It's 5 if you mean Vram.

So could i just buy any micro atx case and put all this stuff in the new one?

It can, yes, absolutely, but for video editing and encoding, if that was your primary use and you want to minimise the time spent, you would ideally want as much memory as you could afford and the upper limit with that budget motherboard is 16GB. It's not clear to me looking at the spec whether freshtech have fitted 2 x 4GB sticks or 1 x 8GB but there are only two memory slots. Also, though it would up the budget and isn't an option available, here, ideally for video encoding/editing you want an I7 for its hyperthreading. That's assuming you are video encoding and editing all hours; if video encoding/editing is just an occasional thing, you will probably be happy with that PC, especially if at some point you upgrade to 16GB of memory.

Bought one of these 2 weeks ago at £595 and am very impressed with the overall build. I would normally self build but was paying more for a similar spec. I did find as someone has previously mentioned the cable management inside the case was poor, so I had to sort that out myself, but it wasn't a big deal as I was putting an SSD in anyway. The stock cooler for the 4460 is a little loud but keeps the temperature at a reasonable level under heavy load. I found the service from FreshTech really good. They called me to confirm my address the day after I ordered and the PC turned up the next working day. All in all I may order from them again, if the deal was good, however it is always worrying finding pages like this on a legitimate site:

http://www.freshtechsolutions.co.uk/payment#shipping

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply

GTA V is 60GB with updates.

If you're just calculating the install location then you're wrong.

Tell me what else to add up?

If you buy the Steam version I think it takes double the space due to it unpacking after downloading.

If you go for the Social Club version you should be fine.

Steam shouldn't keep the installation data and if it did just delete it.

How would this be for editing? Premier Pro and After Effects?

Steam will delete the installation data but it will still need over 120gb hard drive space to unpack it.

how good would this be for fluent video editing (premier pro).

If that's true that's terrible :smiley:

How would one go about swapping the motherboard, for 4 ram slots and 2 graphics cards?

What processor and memory upgrade would you suggest?

Was trying to figure out how the same deal but with an SSD is only £1 more... because it has the SSD instead of the 1TB Barracuda, so yeah this deal is definitely better than the SSD version, unless you plan on uninstalling games every time you want a new one.

Damnn Son!!
Any recommendations on the four things? (motherboard, ram, graphic card and case?

Anyone know how long they take to deliver these?

Do they email you the codes for the Witcher/Batman games or something?

Also just as a side note for anyone who needs hyperthreading for Video rendering / 3D modeling there is an I7 4790 variant with a 1tb HDD for £100 more and one with a 120 GB SSD for £101 more.

http://www.freshtechsolutions.co.uk/custom-built-computers/intel-geforce-gaming-computers/intel-core-i7-4790-120gb-ssd-8gb-1600mhz-gtx-970-4gb-core-gaming-pc.html

Some reviews for Fresh tech solutions..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?site=&source=hp&ei=mSBSVbzoIqKS7Ab98oGYDw&q=freshtech+solutions&oq=freshtechs&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.0i10l5.723.3377.0.4695.11.11.0.5.5.0.196.1159.7j4.11.0.msedr...0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..0.11.717.3.oZFZIQCfQco#q=freshtech+solutions+reviews&istate=kp:xpd&lrd=0x487a69c5e458642d:0xdaaa35595da4ad25,1

Some of the reviews of this company's PCs are terrible EG parts failing early, bad customer support, etc., I definitely wouldn't buy from them.

Looking on Amazon too, the ultra-low number of reviews for their products is very suspicious imo. Besides one product with 18 and another with 11, all the rest have only 1, 2 or 3 reviews - why so few? Well examining one with only 2 reviews I can see why - one of the two reviews reported it was dead on arrival so no wonder they can't leave reviews up, instead I suspect re-listing new items all the time to hide all the bad reviews and avoid anyone noticing the bad points. It's not cheap if it's not going to last, but each to their own.

I'd be interested to hear about reliability/breakdowns/problems from any Freshtech owners who've had their PCs for 2+ years.

I wonder if they're using proper ESD protection when building these computers as that can also be the reason for components failing early. Someone on here mentioned that they bought from these guys and the cable management was poor, it makes you wonder about the quality.

i had a little snoop on their ebay store before committing to buying and they have over 40,000 positive feedback...?

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=freshtech_uk&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2050430.m2531.l4585

Not trying to incite a war, but any decent AMD Gaming alternatives on that site..... I've been out of the PC building loop for so long.

hows this for running MMOs guys? and if I wanted to upgrade at a later date how would I go about that with this PC? also has anyone bought this? if so any good? Thanks.

Sorry for the dumb question - but is there any networking capability built in with this?

can you "hackintosh" this machine?

Shame that the PSU is a load of poo, for an otherwise good deal

Anyone else got a verdict on this deal? I'm really wanting to bite the bullet on this one, but I'm not sure if it has only been voted HOT because of the killer price or if it is a quality deal. Any help here?
I own a PS4 but have always felt that PC is where I should be at.

I added the same spec to eBuyer, and I got £570 for the same specs.
This is a good price since it's built, but the branding for the parts isn't going to be great. The MB would probably be a big bottle neck with performance.

If I needed a PC for sub £600, I would get a better MB, and go for an AMD CPU for its value for performance. SSD would have to be a must for the OS. Also I love the feeling of when everything comes in the post and I get to build it myself. :smiley:

Thanks for the reply! Might just go for it...

Knew I shouldn't have wrote about the bottle neck as I can't find anything to back me up. I bought a similar Gigabyte budget board for my dad, just had a lot of issues with it, very slow rendering times with adobe premier. With the same specs, we went for an MSI Z97-GD65 with the same i5 and it was performing much better.

If you plan on adding more ram in the future, don't get this board as it has only got 2 Memory slots.

Two sticks of 8GB making 16GB in total is plenty for me. If I'm not wrong, surely this the best price for what you get in comparison to other pre-builds right now

Yes it's a good price.

This is an incredible deal to be fair, the card is worth an awful lot on it's own. I'm seriously mulling it over

I have 8 GB of RAM, this is enough for gaming. For video editing and other memory heavy tasks 16 GB will be good.

Thanks for the help everyone! Decided to go ahead and order this PC last night, so the last thing I need is a cheap, legit copy of windows OS that isn't going to cause me any bother

i just priced the parts on amazon and got a total of £734.52. but that was just clicking the first items i seen . this price is really good .

Price just dropped to £574.00 !!!

Anyone seen this deal?
I feel like cancelling my freshtech order that I placed last night and then ordering this. Do people think it is a better deal?

Can anyone tell me of a cheap way to get a reliable OS? windows 7 or 8? Cheers

G2A seems like a good place if you just want a key :smiley: or even try Aliexpress. Not tried any but they seem to be ok from reviews

Yeah, I heard they're pretty cheap on there and their reviews are excellent too. :smiley:

I was going to buy this but after reading some of the google reviews for the seller it put me off, one mentioned receiving the computer with lesser components than what was advertised.. maybe its just a one off but I can't be bothered taking the risk. someone posted this deal on here recently (cant find the link) but for a little more it has a much better motherboard, faster ram and the site has much better reviews:
http://www.box.co.uk/Cube_SPECIAL_i5_3.2GHz_8GB_1TB_SSHD_GT_1776533.html

I'm holding off because I'm worried about the motherboard

For everyone who bought this PC how long did it take to be delivered? Ordered on Monday and still not got the email signifying that it is being delivered or built yet

Is this pc any good, what fps are you getting?

I know but a lot of people on here said the motherboard is a bottleneck

Did you buy this pc

I didn't.

When I get the PC i'll make sure to run some benchmarks.

Gta V, Crysis 3, Witcher 3 & Five Nights at Freddy's are on my list to test

They'll run fine. PCI-E 2.0 x16 won't be a bottleneck.

Can you report back here with the results and can you run Arma3 and Dayz that's the only two games I will be playing

Can you report back here with the results and can you run Arma3 and Dayz that's the only two games I will be playing

Don't make me laugh

It's "ONE" of the worst for performance and reliability from a company that people assume have good units

The XFX TS 550W has longer warranty, is made by Seasonic, has better electrical performance in terms of ripple, regulation and so on and also much better internal componentry

Still waiting for my PC to be dispatched. Or get any notification that it is being built for that matter.Will try emailing them again to get an update. If nothing is heard by next Monday then may have to get Paypal involved

Thank you

I always seem to have bad luck when buying computers. Just last month I bought an i5 Laptop from Amazon Warehouse and some 'genius' at Amazon posted out a Chromebook instead

No way! That really is annoying.
I'm sure your time will come though when everything works out nicely :smiley:

Yes! That is correct. I absolutely forgot about that.
They emailed me to say that I needed to ring them on the number provided to confirm my delivery address.

Just spoke to them on the phone. They got two of the digits in my postcode the wrong way round. Any ways they've corrected it, built it and it'll be here by Monday. Fingers crossed!

All came today and everything works. Just added a new CPU cooler (for noise reasons), Corsair fans and have a fan controller + 8gb Ram coming tomorrow. Only other thing Is how do I go about redeeming the free games offer as I didn't receive an insert or anything like that

Will start playing games tomorrow. Don't have Arma 3 unfortunately but according to game debate it'll run it on high

Don't know if I should buy this pc or build this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/fabian247/saved/XPnrxr

What brand is the Gtx 970

Although I went with the £11 more expensive one as it had a Zalman R1 case. So it may be different

http://www.freshtechsolutions.co.uk/custom-built-computers/intel-geforce-gaming-computers/intel-core-i5-4460-120gb-ssd-8gb-1600mhz-gtx-970-4gb-r1-gaming-pc.html

Any more feedback from those that purchased one of these?

Could you change the motherboard to a high end one?

How did it run then? I'm tempted to purchase this and get an additional 8gb RAM as you have :smiley:

8GB is enough for gaming, unless you want to do memory heavy tasks like video editing, in that case upgrading to 16GB would be a good idea.

I bought then model and I'm currently writing off it now.

Only issue I have is finding the codes for The Witcher3/Batman Arkham Knight that were supposed to come with the Graphics card. Anyone else advice me on where to find these?

Thats good to hear, thanks

I wonder if this can handle Ultra settings on 1440p? or even high settings on 4k, 30fps min is good enough for me..not worrying too much about fps unless its a first person shooter like bf4

Wonder if it can handle Batman/Witcher/Bf4 in ultra/1440p settings or even high/4k at a min of 30fps? Not too concered about fps for those type of games...for shooters like bf4 60fps minimum I guess since im used to ps4's fps on these kinda games

Could you get ultra/1440p with decent fps or 4k/30fps on those games? If not then might have to invest in a new motherboard that can support SLI incase I'd want another gpu in future

Why does it do that!!! first it doesnt send my messages because theyre flagged then I have to retype them and then it sends all of them! lol

I have only played up to 1080p as that is the resolution of my current monitor. 1440p should be fine on high settings but with 4K you'll need to turn everything down to low due needing more VRAM. If you need to play games at 4k i'd recommend waiting for the 980TI

Or could you replace the motherboard so it could support SLI?

I've only played on high-ultra settings on GTA V @ 1080p with the 970 and it doesn't always hold 60fps solid. So, 1440p will have more trouble getting decent fps. 4k is out of the question.

Im used to ps4's 30fps 1080p which is completely fine with me and even Witcher which always drops to below 30fps so to get 1440p high/ultra with a minimum 30fps would be great

It will run better than 30fps @ 1440p as you might not need to enable anti aliasing, but with 4k I think it'll be unplayable. You should be good to go at 1440p though. :smiley:

so what's the feeling behind this machine giys. any good? considering buying it and switching to PC gaming .

Sounds good to me! Thanks for all the help

Is it better to buy this direct from their website or via amazon? Slightly more expensive on amazon but might be better if something goes wrong.

Whats the best way to install windows for this?

Do you know if the gpu can be replaced with the 970 G1 Windforce card?

my final query lol

Not too sure, you'll have to ask if they'll do that, as they might charge a bit extra to swap them. Plus, the card may be bigger so may not fit in this case, It depends on compatibility too.

Don't worry about it lol

EDIT:

970 G1 card size: "L=312mm, W=129mm, H=43mm"

Graphics card size support by case: "Supports graphic card up to 350mm in length with one HDD mounted
Supports graphic card up to 210mm in length with two/three HDD mounted"

thanks for finding out! I also contacted Freshtech and they said they're unable to replace it as they dont stock it, but I can order the PC without the Graphics card altogether so I can just order my own Graphics card

So what's the deal with this please guys. Good for money? The fans not too loud? What games have you played on Ultra? Please help as I am heavily interested.

Thanks

Thanks buddy. Any other games played? I am so tempted.

Anyone know if this PC would be good enough for gaming and streaming on Twitch at the same time?

It's just a lot to learn with PC compared to console gaming. Would be using one monitor for the game and 2 other monitors for stream related programs. I was hoping to get the right PC for around the £500 mark.