Since its original publication in Russian (entitled Ledokol) in France in 1988, it has been published in an astonishing 87 editions in 18 languages.
Soviet historian, Victor Suvorov, tells the true story of World War II, revealing that the war was started by the Soviets -- not the Germans. He contends that the Soviet Union's part in starting the war was very much greater and much more sinister than has hitherto been exposed.
The book takes a close look at the origins and development of World War II in Europe, and in particular the background to Hitler's Operation Barbarossa attack against the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. In spite of rigid Soviet censorship, Suvorov has succeeded in digging up many nuggets of valuable information from publicly available Soviet writings that confirm his central thesis. Icebreaker is based on the author's meticulous scouring of such published sources as memoirs of wartime Soviet military leaders, and histories of individual Soviet divisions, corps, armies, fleets, and air units.
9 comments
branstonbear
17 Jan 17#1
Oh please he is a historical reviisionist nutcase
Ajibee to branstonbear
17 Jan 171#2
Oh please make some effort to substantiate what you say, e.g.:
Sounds like a very plausible thesis to me - the USSR was intent on exporting communism up until its collapse under the weight of its own contradictions in 1990. As for WW2, the USSR likes to play the innocent victim - carefully eliding its part in the invasion and partition of Poland in 1939, with Hitler and the Germans taking the western half and the USSR taking the eastern half.
cowsindahouse
17 Jan 17#3
The banks started ww2 and the rest of wars, they fund both sides.
Ajibee to cowsindahouse
17 Jan 171#4
May I introduce you to fellow HUKDer branstonbear? :smiley:
I think it was actually people that started it - they've been the common factor in every war ever.
Rom
18 Jan 17#5
Strange that the Soviets were woefully unprepared in material terms for war in the summer of '41 and Stalin had recently carried out huge purges of red army officers, real smart way to prepare for their own attack!
vulcanproject
18 Jan 17#6
Interesting theories but weak evidence. The great purge is one of the most damaging facts to it. Plus the winter war showed Stalin his forces this early were barely fit to beat up a small weaker nation at that time. Let alone go head to head with a major military power like Britain or Germany for Europe.
Most critics points to some major flaws as the years have passed, he has bandied this about for decades
ApolloV
18 Jan 17#7
If the main premise of this book is true, why didn't the West take the opportunity to smear the Soviets during the 40+ years of the cold war, especially if the reasons were somehow "sinister"? Wouldn't NATO intelligence services have had plenty of time to dig up enough proof by the late eighties and not miss out on such a golden opportunity to score points over the Communists?
Having said that, I believe it's always good to have an open mind, so even though I won't be reading it myself, I'll reserve judgement for now.
graham221
18 Jan 17#8
People don't start wars governments do
Glamwampam
18 Jan 17#9
Women start all the wars, By not having enough sex with their Men, If Men were laid more for FREE then they would be a lot more happier and then who wants to go to war if pussy galore is on tap :laughing:
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Soviet historian, Victor Suvorov, tells the true story of World War II, revealing that the war was started by the Soviets -- not the Germans. He contends that the Soviet Union's part in starting the war was very much greater and much more sinister than has hitherto been exposed.
The book takes a close look at the origins and development of World War II in Europe, and in particular the background to Hitler's Operation Barbarossa attack against the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. In spite of rigid Soviet censorship, Suvorov has succeeded in digging up many nuggets of valuable information from publicly available Soviet writings that confirm his central thesis. Icebreaker is based on the author's meticulous scouring of such published sources as memoirs of wartime Soviet military leaders, and histories of individual Soviet divisions, corps, armies, fleets, and air units.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov
Sounds like an interesting chap - can't think why anyone, anyone, might seek to traduce a GRU officer who defected to the UK!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaker_(Suvorov)
Sounds like a very plausible thesis to me - the USSR was intent on exporting communism up until its collapse under the weight of its own contradictions in 1990. As for WW2, the USSR likes to play the innocent victim - carefully eliding its part in the invasion and partition of Poland in 1939, with Hitler and the Germans taking the western half and the USSR taking the eastern half.
I think it was actually people that started it - they've been the common factor in every war ever.
Most critics points to some major flaws as the years have passed, he has bandied this about for decades
Having said that, I believe it's always good to have an open mind, so even though I won't be reading it myself, I'll reserve judgement for now.