I hesitated to post this deal, but hopefully it might help someone:
Brand New 67 Plate Volkswagen Passat1.4 TSI R Line 4dr [Panoramic Roof] from Arnold Clark is currently showing on their website as £19,495. With all the uncertainty about diesel at the moment, that seems a great price for R-Line spec family saloon in petrol variant.
Quite tempted myself but would be interested to hear from anyone who has one already or who has looked at them in person. NB: Please don't bother if you're from 1980 and think 1.4 engines are still the same now as they were then....
Latest comments (64)
Dan__
6 Oct 17#31
1.4? lol nah they can keep it
Mada06 to Dan__
6 Oct 17#33
Clueless
rich_1986 to Mada06
6 Oct 17#36
Not really. The 1.4 at 125bhp or 150bhp are massively underpowered for a car of the Passat’s size, not to mention it weighs around 1500kg before people get in it.
I own a VW, and would touch an engine that small unless I was buying a Polo or smaller (maybe a Golf at a push). Not looking for the 1.4 to take on sports cars at traffic lights, but if you have to throttle the giblets off it, then it’s not enjoyable to drive.
Not only that, but the 1.4 engine option will have a massive impact on resale value both private and dealership.
Lovely car, but a pants engine to put inside it.(y)
RedmanDealer to rich_1986
7 Oct 17#40
Completely agree, though the 150BHP 1.4TSI is definitely fine in a Golf, A3 or any other VAG car in that size, it is more powerful engine than my old 2.0L Golf! There has to be a question mark of its performance in reality rather than just pure stats in terms of hp & torque.
It does feel like a solution for someone who really wants a cheap big car but doesn't mind a slow one. I've gotta wonder how comfortable it would be on the motorway, not sure what kind of response you would get from the throttle
morpheus to RedmanDealer
7 Oct 17#45
"Whether it's around town or on the motorway the 1.4-litre engine continues to prove that (provided you don't push it into the upper rev ranges) it is more refined still than the already hushed diesel equivalent, and flexible enough that it doesn't feel strained as some might expect of a small petrol engine in a heavy car. In fact, mated to the standard six-speed gearbox it really is a very effective powertrain - usable, quiet and responsive."
Seems as though it's just give unless you're a backwards baseball cap wearing boy racer... And if you are, you wouldn't be looking at a Passat.
Happy to hear any alternative family saloon it estate options in similar spec and price that isn't diesel though.
RedmanDealer to morpheus
10 Oct 17#64
Not sure where you have quoted that from? Is that a car review? It is a little short on details and a bit wishy-washy, at what speeds will it be responsive. If anything a 6-speed manual could be worse than DSG because of frequent gear changes.
This is nothing to do with 0-60 times or being snobbish towards a passat, its about having enough power to deal with having 5 people in the car plus luggage. If you don't need to lug all that around then it's better to go with a Golf (or Jetta) which won't work the engine as hard.
Also, the specs on the website say this is the 125BHP model, that sounds even worse! Think you would want to test drive it before committing than finding out it's a sheep in wolfs clothing. The 1.8TSI looks a far better prospect and a better all rounder.
I myself compromised on the engine when I bought my car, but I didn't go this far down.
senukas
6 Oct 17#18
Want this car in 1.4TSI 150 R-Line DSG version. Can't find any cheaper than £22593 from autoebid without extra options. Don't have diesel to scrap and I think they won't give extra discount for it anyway.
edd666999 to senukas
7 Oct 17#48
Drivethedeal: £20505.27
senukas to edd666999
8 Oct 17#58
How did you get this price? They quote me £22687.60
edd666999 to senukas
8 Oct 17#59
Correction i missed the "150" bit, so they are now quoting £21315.60
senukas to edd666999
8 Oct 17#60
OK but this is for manual not DSG (automatic), I get the same price for manual as well. Cheers
edd666999 to senukas
9 Oct 17#63
No its DSG 1.4tsi
pareshdc
6 Oct 17#21
Boycott German cars with Brexit! Time to play hardball back!
Rys_Ochodzki to pareshdc
6 Oct 17#22
Yes! Buy Chinese, Indian and Russian cars instead! Let's show the world how fantastic Brexit is!
rambits to Rys_Ochodzki
6 Oct 17#25
Now, Volvo is Chinese, RangeRover is Indian
montana78 to rambits
6 Oct 17#34
I knew range was indian but didnt know about volvo though
Rys_Ochodzki to rambits
7 Oct 17#38
I wasn't talking about European brands owned by them, but their native cars. All the Brexiters - instead of your Mercs, Audis and Beemers, start buying Tatas, Dongfengs and Ladas!
OrribleHarry to Rys_Ochodzki
7 Oct 17#39
Whats wrong with British built Jags, Range Rovers, Nissans, Vauxhalls and Minis etc?
118luke to Rys_Ochodzki
7 Oct 17#46
No - it’s more a case of we are one of the very few countries that prefers to buy foreign made vehicles instead of ones manufactured within the UK. France is majority Renault / PSA vehicles Germany is vast majority BMW / Daimler Benz / VAG Italy is almost entirely Fiat / Alfa Romeo sweden is mainly Volvos and Formerly Saabs
all of which are native to their respective countries, usually manufactured there also.
the Uk is an exception to the rule, of the top 10 selling cars in the UK 2017 - only 2 are locally made :- Vauxhall’s Astra and Nissan Qashqai. Essentially, to help strengthen our economy and manufacturing base employment, we should be buying locally made vehicles (ignoring country of ownership since the UK no longer owns any mass produced car companies) its certainly a factor when I come to choosing cars nowadays.
OrribleHarry to 118luke
7 Oct 17#49
Agreed when my BMW gets changed I will be getting another Jaguar as my last one was fantastic. My wife already has a Nissan Leaf which is excellent also.
smk77 to pareshdc
6 Oct 17#27
Boycott Brexit! Time for some to get their brains back!
OrribleHarry to smk77
6 Oct 17#35
Clown!
smk77 to OrribleHarry
7 Oct 17#42
The only clowns are those who are still not realising or accepting the disastrous economic consequences of 'getting our country back'.
OrribleHarry to smk77
7 Oct 17#43
Rubbish, it is absolutely the correct decision.
smk77 to OrribleHarry
7 Oct 17#44
I haven't seen a shred of evidence to suggest that is the case.
OrribleHarry to smk77
7 Oct 17#47
I haven't seen a shred of evidence suggesting that we are "heading for disaster" that you claimed. Nothing more than scaremongering.
smk77 to OrribleHarry
7 Oct 17#50
Are you still falling for that 'scaremongering' response to anything you don't want to hear?
Brexiters just don't seem to get it. 70% of them believe that significant economic damage is a price worth paying for Brexit. Most of them probably fall into the lower socioeconomic groups, poorly educated or over 65 so will just carry on living on benefits or be dead in a few years.
The Government's handling of the Brexit negotiations has been pathetic and is causing more uncertainty which has a knock on effect within the economy. I see it daily in my work as large contracts are put on hold during the uncertainty which results in job losses. Our credit rating has been cut which means it costs more to borrow. The country is need of massive additional spending to improve key services (e.g. NHS - Where's the £350m??). The drop in the pound hasn't resulted in an increase in exports. An increased number of skilled EU workers are leaving the UK and we're not attracting anything like enough into the UK. At the time of the referendum we had the fastest growing economy in the G7 but now we have the slowest.
You have to admit, even if it doesn't end up as a complete disaster, economically, it's not looking good.
OrribleHarry to smk77
7 Oct 17#52
We haven't left yet, all the things you describe are cause by the scaremongering. There has been absolutely nothing changed apart from people being reluctant to invest because of the rumours, stop adding to it, it's you guys that are doing the damage!
All you are doing with this preaching is creating a self fulfilling prophecy.
smk77 to OrribleHarry
7 Oct 17#53
The things that I describe are caused by the complete incompetence of this Government. Perhaps if they were to give the British people some confidence in their ability to negotiate then Brexit wouldn't look like such a disaster. Living in Scotland I took part in the Independence referendum in 2014. I voted to stay in the UK. The Yes lot believed that with the oil revenues Scotland could be the envy of the world. They were warned that a collapse in the oil price would bankrupt the country. Had Scotland become an Independent country it would have been in tatters now. The SNP had a plan. It was flawed but it had one. What's the plan for Brexit?
You don't make a decision to build a bridge without understanding the cost. You don't submit a proposal for a contract without knowing the first thing about the client's business. You don't cancel the contract of a vital supplier without having an alternative supplier lined up. You wouldn't do any of those if you're if you are successful in business. The vast majority of successful businessmen and women did not vote for Brexit. The warned against it and the consequences. What would the experts know? We just want our country back....
OrribleHarry to smk77
7 Oct 17#54
Whilst I agree with you that we currently have the weakest government in living memory and that the communications about Brexit are very poor and largely coming from the tabloids rather than the government. But what is doing more damage than our weak government, is the resounding "we're doomed" from disgruntled anti Brexiteers. The message from the people should be that this is a new chapter and a message of determination and triumph.
But on the other hand I have lived in Scotland and still own some properties there and one thing is clear from a Scottish point of view is your government have been very misleading indeed. Long before Brexit, Scotland has appeared to be living beyond its means and independence was supposed to be the golden chequebook fix that never was. Now that Brexit has come along the misrepresentations of the past will come to a head, and it is nothing to do with Brexit its down to overpromising and underdelivering for years.
smk77 to OrribleHarry
7 Oct 17#55
Have to disagree. Brexit wrong for this country and must be stopped. The will of the people (those who voted) was a change but a change from what? I don't think people really knew. After the referendum I watched a guy on TV saying how he voted for Brexit because of the immigrants. When question further he said he didn't mind those from the EU but it was the ones from Iraq and Syria etc. This guy clearly had no idea what he was voting on.
You mentioned your properties. From that it's clear you are in a good financial position. Brexit is unlikely to harm you. Property prices aren't going to crash whilst there is a shortage in housing. You will still rent out properties. Brexit will hit those who aren't able to adapt to change for one reason or another and there will be a massive impact regardless of how we get there. A lot of pain and hurt for millions of people to get us where we are already at best.
I think it's a massive senseless mistake. How do you expect me to get behind this new chapter.? Had we voted to remain then there would have been serious demands for a 2nd referendum.
OrribleHarry to smk77
7 Oct 17#56
I have to object about the statement "has to be stopped" that very thought makes a mockery of a democracy. Next time there is a new government or a vote that the minority don't like then are we going to continually demand a revote? That's frankly laughable and undermines the whole point in a democratic government. At the end of the day you are in the minority and you need to accept that and focus on moulding the future more in keepinging with your personal beliefs.
This is very much off topic so I'm not going to reply any further as it's a car deal at the end of the day.
smk77 to OrribleHarry
7 Oct 17#57
You can object all you want. The referendum was an advisory with very little information provided at the time to help people make decisions. The leave campaign was based on lies aimed at influencing the most gullible. Remember the poster with the refugees saying we're at breaking point? Lies and that's what created a slim majority. A majority that could have gone the other way the day before or the day after. I do not believe that I am in the minority today. A democracy should give us a vote on a final agreement or at least give MPs a vote based on what the think is best for the country and their constituents.
bilbob to smk77
9 Oct 17#62
Apparently, using the exact same voting demographic that was voted in the referendum, leave would already lose the vote based on those that have died since, and those that have grown into voting age.s
Oneday77 to pareshdc
6 Oct 17#29
Yeah bring back the Austin Allegro. A bit like retro gaming, Rose Tinted glasses suck.
bigbak to Oneday77
6 Oct 17#32
Don’t confuse them with the reality of the nations manufacturing. They’re dreaming of an imperialist past when Britannia ruled the waves and the biggest export was slavery.
adi0604
6 Oct 17#14
£160 road tax, no thanks
alexc100 to adi0604
7 Oct 17#41
Do you think that is expensive? It costs me double that to tax my bmw every year
crazy_b to adi0604
8 Oct 17#61
What £12 a month lol that’s going to break the bank
joco202
7 Oct 17#51
Always makes me laugh when people buy cars worth of 20-30k, but they think the £160 tax is too much :wink:
Besford
6 Oct 17#37
The issue here isn't the car (if you like that sort of thing) - it's the dealer!
M_z
6 Oct 17#4
How much would it be worth after three years?
nickrenwick to M_z
6 Oct 17#23
£15,000
luvsadealdealdeal to nickrenwick
6 Oct 17#30
you idiot
after 3 yrs worth about £9000
bilbob to M_z
6 Oct 17#28
That'll depend on what we find out about VW dodgyness in the next three years :wink:
Kirrun121
6 Oct 17#6
Can you do scrappage discount at this price?
morpheus to Kirrun121
6 Oct 17#13
Dunno about the Arnold Clark link but on Car File it says:
SCRAPPAGE CUSTOMERS! VW HAVE ANNOUNCED A SCRAPPAGE ALLOWANCE ON THE VW PASSAT. HOWEVER BECAUSE OUR DISCOUNTS ARE MONUMENTAL ALREADY, PART OF OUR DISCOUNTS ARE REPLACED BY SCRAPPAGE. THE NET RESULT IS THAT YOU WILL GET A FURTHER £650, £950 OR £1250 FOR YOUR SCRAPPAGE VEHICLE DEPENDENT ON THE VERSION OF PASSAT CHOSEN.(PASSAT GTE IS £1650) IF YOU HAVE SCRAPPAGE AND WANT VW FINANCE THEN THERE WILL BE NO DEPOSIT CONTRIBUTION AVAILABLE AND THE APR IS 6.0%. THE VW SERVICE PLAN OFFER AT £149 IS STILL AVAILABLE AS PART OF A PCP ORDER.
On drive the deal is cheaper and can use scrappage scheme
jrw
6 Oct 17#17
Cheaper at Drive the deal and you can get £5k scrappage on it plus it isn't Arnold Clark who are on par with Inchcape in the appalling garages league tables.
morpheus to jrw
6 Oct 17#20
I was dubious, but looks like you're right:
Base price = £19,133 then add back the £3,625 (finance) discount which you can't get if using scrappage = £22,758. But then take away the £5k scrappage = £17,758..... Thats a massive saving on my OP - surely there's a mistake in there somewhere? Just wish I had a diesel car to trade in, mine's petrol.... :disappointed:
morpheus
6 Oct 17#19
Update from AC from anyone thinking of going for this:
"The offer was due to end, but looks like they have been granted a little more time to offer this deal, i'd be unsure how long it will still be there for however. Also, our Volkswagen branches are all located in Scotland."
brodie100
6 Oct 17#15
New tax rules will be more than £160 a year, no?
johnwillowlfc to brodie100
6 Oct 17#16
Theres a charge for the first year tax it all depends on how much emissions it outputs, unless someone can correct me on that? Apart from that, car tax is the same price across all cars which is currently £140 per year (obviously go up with inflation over the years) apart from electric which is still free. You get an additional charge if the total purchase price is above £40k for the first 5 years of the car also
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Brand New 67 Plate Volkswagen Passat1.4 TSI R Line 4dr [Panoramic Roof] from Arnold Clark is currently showing on their website as £19,495. With all the uncertainty about diesel at the moment, that seems a great price for R-Line spec family saloon in petrol variant.
Quite tempted myself but would be interested to hear from anyone who has one already or who has looked at them in person. NB: Please don't bother if you're from 1980 and think 1.4 engines are still the same now as they were then....
Latest comments (64)
I own a VW, and would touch an engine that small unless I was buying a Polo or smaller (maybe a Golf at a push). Not looking for the 1.4 to take on sports cars at traffic lights, but if you have to throttle the giblets off it, then it’s not enjoyable to drive.
Not only that, but the 1.4 engine option will have a massive impact on resale value both private and dealership.
Lovely car, but a pants engine to put inside it.(y)
It does feel like a solution for someone who really wants a cheap big car but doesn't mind a slow one. I've gotta wonder how comfortable it would be on the motorway, not sure what kind of response you would get from the throttle
Seems as though it's just give unless you're a backwards baseball cap wearing boy racer... And if you are, you wouldn't be looking at a Passat.
Happy to hear any alternative family saloon it estate options in similar spec and price that isn't diesel though.
This is nothing to do with 0-60 times or being snobbish towards a passat, its about having enough power to deal with having 5 people in the car plus luggage. If you don't need to lug all that around then it's better to go with a Golf (or Jetta) which won't work the engine as hard.
Also, the specs on the website say this is the 125BHP model, that sounds even worse! Think you would want to test drive it before committing than finding out it's a sheep in wolfs clothing. The 1.8TSI looks a far better prospect and a better all rounder.
I myself compromised on the engine when I bought my car, but I didn't go this far down.
No its DSG 1.4tsi
France is majority Renault / PSA vehicles
Germany is vast majority BMW / Daimler Benz / VAG
Italy is almost entirely Fiat / Alfa Romeo
sweden is mainly Volvos and Formerly Saabs
all of which are native to their respective countries, usually manufactured there also.
the Uk is an exception to the rule, of the top 10 selling cars in the UK 2017 - only 2 are locally made :- Vauxhall’s Astra and Nissan Qashqai.
Essentially, to help strengthen our economy and manufacturing base employment, we should be buying locally made vehicles (ignoring country of ownership since the UK no longer owns any mass produced car companies)
its certainly a factor when I come to choosing cars nowadays.
Brexiters just don't seem to get it. 70% of them believe that significant economic damage is a price worth paying for Brexit. Most of them probably fall into the lower socioeconomic groups, poorly educated or over 65 so will just carry on living on benefits or be dead in a few years.
The Government's handling of the Brexit negotiations has been pathetic and is causing more uncertainty which has a knock on effect within the economy. I see it daily in my work as large contracts are put on hold during the uncertainty which results in job losses. Our credit rating has been cut which means it costs more to borrow. The country is need of massive additional spending to improve key services (e.g. NHS - Where's the £350m??). The drop in the pound hasn't resulted in an increase in exports. An increased number of skilled EU workers are leaving the UK and we're not attracting anything like enough into the UK. At the time of the referendum we had the fastest growing economy in the G7 but now we have the slowest.
You have to admit, even if it doesn't end up as a complete disaster, economically, it's not looking good.
All you are doing with this preaching is creating a self fulfilling prophecy.
Living in Scotland I took part in the Independence referendum in 2014. I voted to stay in the UK. The Yes lot believed that with the oil revenues Scotland could be the envy of the world. They were warned that a collapse in the oil price would bankrupt the country. Had Scotland become an Independent country it would have been in tatters now. The SNP had a plan. It was flawed but it had one. What's the plan for Brexit?
You don't make a decision to build a bridge without understanding the cost. You don't submit a proposal for a contract without knowing the first thing about the client's business. You don't cancel the contract of a vital supplier without having an alternative supplier lined up. You wouldn't do any of those if you're if you are successful in business. The vast majority of successful businessmen and women did not vote for Brexit. The warned against it and the consequences. What would the experts know? We just want our country back....
But what is doing more damage than our weak government, is the resounding "we're doomed" from disgruntled anti Brexiteers.
The message from the people should be that this is a new chapter and a message of determination and triumph.
But on the other hand I have lived in Scotland and still own some properties there and one thing is clear from a Scottish point of view is your government have been very misleading indeed. Long before Brexit, Scotland has appeared to be living beyond its means and independence was supposed to be the golden chequebook fix that never was.
Now that Brexit has come along the misrepresentations of the past will come to a head, and it is nothing to do with Brexit its down to overpromising and underdelivering for years.
You mentioned your properties. From that it's clear you are in a good financial position. Brexit is unlikely to harm you. Property prices aren't going to crash whilst there is a shortage in housing. You will still rent out properties. Brexit will hit those who aren't able to adapt to change for one reason or another and there will be a massive impact regardless of how we get there. A lot of pain and hurt for millions of people to get us where we are already at best.
I think it's a massive senseless mistake. How do you expect me to get behind this new chapter.? Had we voted to remain then there would have been serious demands for a 2nd referendum.
Next time there is a new government or a vote that the minority don't like then are we going to continually demand a revote?
That's frankly laughable and undermines the whole point in a democratic government. At the end of the day you are in the minority and you need to accept that and focus on moulding the future more in keepinging with your personal beliefs.
This is very much off topic so I'm not going to reply any further as it's a car deal at the end of the day.
A bit like retro gaming, Rose Tinted glasses suck.
They’re dreaming of an imperialist past when Britannia ruled the waves and the biggest export was slavery.
after 3 yrs worth about £9000
SCRAPPAGE CUSTOMERS!
VW HAVE ANNOUNCED A SCRAPPAGE ALLOWANCE ON THE VW PASSAT. HOWEVER BECAUSE OUR DISCOUNTS ARE MONUMENTAL ALREADY, PART OF OUR DISCOUNTS ARE REPLACED BY SCRAPPAGE. THE NET RESULT IS THAT YOU WILL GET A FURTHER £650, £950 OR £1250 FOR YOUR SCRAPPAGE VEHICLE DEPENDENT ON THE VERSION OF PASSAT CHOSEN.(PASSAT GTE IS £1650) IF YOU HAVE SCRAPPAGE AND WANT VW FINANCE THEN THERE WILL BE NO DEPOSIT CONTRIBUTION AVAILABLE AND THE APR IS 6.0%. THE VW SERVICE PLAN OFFER AT £149 IS STILL AVAILABLE AS PART OF A PCP ORDER.
On drive the deal is cheaper and can use scrappage scheme
Base price = £19,133 then add back the £3,625 (finance) discount which you can't get if using scrappage = £22,758. But then take away the £5k scrappage = £17,758..... Thats a massive saving on my OP - surely there's a mistake in there somewhere? Just wish I had a diesel car to trade in, mine's petrol.... :disappointed:
"The offer was due to end, but looks like they have been granted a little more time to offer this deal, i'd be unsure how long it will still be there for however. Also, our Volkswagen branches are all located in Scotland."
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