Good spot - thanks. Assume this means it will be up for preorder elsewhere too? Are the Tesco/Amazon gaming vouchers still active?

That's quite the sum of money for such a small increase in power (and barely any worthwhile exclusives).

Amazon soldout weeks ago

Is it £100 better than a pro? I've always preferred Microsoft consoles but that price seems rather inflated. People are pre ordering though so must be in the minority.

Any exclusives to really looks out for, that make this worthwhile?

asking for a friend...

Cold. No deal here.

Nice, i'll cancel my project scorpio edition and order this one instead

Scorpion addition all the way.....

Preorders from 8am cancellations from a week before release wouldn't trust game anymore with pre orders after the mess up last week over metroid.

Not sure how this is a deal :joy: but atleast it will help some people preorder that missed out

What's the difference between scorpion edition and standard?

Does the scorpion have the same power as a gtx 1080 ti?

Why does everyone bang on about exclusives? It will play pretty much every release from here on out at better quality than PS4, including all your multiplatform games.

Best selling exclusive this year for Xbox will be pubg anyway.

If your not interested or not buying one, noone cares, go post in some game of thrones thread about how you don't watch that

For the difference in power etc it’s a complete rip off. Not worth the huge £££ diff

I'm nova boy as I have each console now just purchase a Xbox s from Argos £230 for a 1tb. Fifa 17. Ark survival and GTA. Sold all the games and got £60 fir them so a 1tb Xbox for £170 isn't bad. But to my knowledge the ps4 as by far the most and best exclusives. Well to me anyway. As I like my jap/anime games which are a plenty on ps4. Saying that Microsoft have some good exclusives themselves. Forza horizon is amazinggggh. But like others say the Xbox s as 4K graphics so will there be a HUGE different with the x?

If anyone has that kinda cash spare then you must all have good jobs!! They will all be advertised on here in couple years for £199 with 20 games. If you don't need to have the instant fashion accessory then would be great picking up in few years. I still play xbox 360 titles and picking them up for a quid. Great for me and the unlimited wallet everyone seems to have. Yes I'm jealous!! Lol.

People keep banging on about exclusives but they only matter if you like those exclusive I'm not a fan of uncharted and don't play any of the Japanese games that get released, most people play the big games like Fifa 18 cod star wars battlefront etc will the x play these games better than a pro simple answer is yes, not a fan boy own Xbox one s ps pro and a high end gaming pc

Hopefully MS Paint gets released as an exclusive for the X.

Just seeing it everywhere at the minute, few years back all Sony fan boys were saying was PlayStation 4 more powerful now the x is out its Xbox has no exclusives getting rather tiresome

hubby was gonna get one on Day one but hes holding off now till nearer Xmas and hoping they'll do a bundle if not after Xmas they'll be £400 max

After Christmas be about £400 won't be before though as with any new console be out of stock most places

It's the same with football fans. I think it's just a caveman mentality of wanting to belong to a "tribe"/team.

Like you said, they're just pieces of plastic/ silicon and there is no need to form allegiances to it. Just buy whichever one is best or cheapest. Or even better buy them all!

I have a PS4 and Xbox One, and find myself drawn to my Xbox more - mainly because I have started to get painful RSI when using a DS4, but also find myself going back and playing a few Xbox 360 games which are backward compatible. Probably not a big deal in a discussion about the X, but having the 360 games available for me (and the kids) is very handy... add EA Access and Xbox wins in my house, although I do miss the simple PS4 interface and cheap games by using the US/Canada accounts...

Definitely hold out.

I bought the Xbox One just before Christmas, and the price dropped straight after.

Its what you get for being an early adopter I suppose

GPU around 5 x as powerful.
RAM has around 3 x the bandwidth.
12GB GDDR5 vs 8GB DDR3

Small increase in power?

Admittedly the GPU was crap to start with.

Lmao

GET OVER HERE!!!!

Or they could drop to 400 in a couple of months.... Afters the early adopters are skimmed

If that is the case, I'd be happy to take your Scorpio pre-order off your hands :relaxed:

This isn't a deal. It's the RRP...

Keep your limited edition order and sell it for a pretty fine profit on release day.

They have it back in stock now, I just pre-ordered one: amazon.co.uk/dp/…12G

Awesome, thanks mate, have managed to pre-order and it's a Scorpio version as well - get on it quick people if you want this version!

Highly doubt you can sell it for profit, only difference is colours, and you can still pre order the scorpio edition on amazon

Can you not do that already in dev mode? Only tried homebrew sonic game so far mind but sure saw you could send window appx files?

blah blah blah

They could at least chuck a game in for that price!

Man I don't even have an Xbox One Nine yet

I'm a gamer I want to play all the games in all the places will get one of these just not at launch

I agree with the sentiment about paying the premium for being an early adopter, but I'm not sure that buying an Xbox One in December 2016 counts as 'early adopter', it had been out for 3 years at that point :wink:

Quite happy with my XBOX ONE for few more years yet.

How is this a deal? It’s RRP, and it’s most definitely not worth double the cost of a One S

I can't see it going out of stock for long if at all.

You mean like iPhones, Samsung's phone never go out of stock when released which they do even iPhone new phone which costs £1000 will be out of stock on release people do and always will want the best they can get whether that's computers phones tv's etc

For me my youngest will get my xb1 (hes left out atm and has to share). Im looking forwards to some of the titles that get 4k support having the tv to support.

I own a decent gaming rig with 1070 gfx; that card cost £429 so when you think about the all in one console with the addition of a 4k blu ray it isnt as crazy as it sounds

RRP so not really a deal, I doubt these will be hard to find in shops at launch.

I don't really see the point of this personally, if you want the best graphics go for a PC. The games look better and you can keep upgrading it for years to come to keep up with technology. In a few years this will be replaced by something better requiring another 450 quid.

Assuming your upgrading from an Xbox One you could alternatively use the money to get a PS4 or Switch for the great exclusives.

Microsoft are going for the top end with this machine though. It's basically Microsoft listening to people who want a more powerful console, but don't want to spend the money/time to build a custom PC and want it to just work out of the box. At £450 I think M$ are taking a small hit, and I highly doubt they're making a profit from this, but if they are that profit margin will be tiny.

In my view this is the way it should have been, have two consoles, one cheaper but less powerful console, then one more expensive but powerful console. Also with VR/AR coming up you'll need a better, more powerful console, right now PSVR is naff when compared to the Vive/Rift and MS knows that so I think that's likely another reason they've went down this path.

Absolute joke of a price. Why buy one of these, which is essentially an underpowered PC, when it doesn't even have a single exclusive game to really make use of it's specs? Why buy one when you can just buy a PC and get all the benefits of a PC? COLD.

Isn't it the same price as the original XB1? I seem to recall that costing well over £400....

Because pc's are not just pick up and play if you can't understand that then no helping you all console's are underpowered pc's so what's your point?

Could not have said better. Ppl brag its the most powerful console but what exclusives does it has? Forza and halo? All other 3rd party games will also be on xbox yes but they pretend to not see how many actually exclusives does ps have that you will not find on xbox. So I guess if they want to play multiplatforms with a bit better graphics then go for that. I would rather stick with ps since exclusive games variety is huge. If xbox ha some killer games (not just 1 or 2) then I would consider.

PC's tend to look awful in the living room under the telly...

Build me a PC that can run Forza 7 at 4K 60fps Locked, for under that price.

I've already been offered £550 for my Amazon preorder

Can you link the pc that provides same or greater benefits for £449 or less?

Are 1060 gfx cards about £200 still (probably close to the xbx perhaps); then add case/memory/hdd/4k blu ray/mboard/cpu.

Thats a lot of components for £249 unless you go non branded cheap stuff

£429 4 years ago this november. My day one edt still going strong

Cold. Not a deal rrp

Also had confirmation via email from Amazon that they will be taking pre-orders from 8am tomorrow as well, if that helps anyone.

Hardly a deal. Ridiculously expensive for a console with no exclusives, no good games to use the hardware. And its RRP so no deal in that anyway. COLD.

4K. And smoother game play. But yes I am not getting one due to the fact I do not have a 4k HDR TV to make the most of it. Every situation is different.

Same as the PS Pro. If you want and need more out of your experience then you can do it. Sell the original console to offset the cost.

People dont even realise what this machine is capable of.

This one's gonna sell out fast. Prepare yourself and sign up for stock alerts: hotstock.io/uk/…e-x

The Xbox One X graphics are more equivalent to an RX 580 (Similar architecture and TFLOPS) which is more equivalent to a 1060 in benchmarks.

I've pre ordered mine but at the back of mind is the lack of killer apps games to really show off the power. Not that fussed on Forza. The sensible thing would be wait 6 months and take a price drop and games, but I have not been that wise.

People saying there not buying it well it's not aimed at you obviously, both ps pro and x1 x are aimed at the gamers who want more power because in my opinion plus others the original ps4 and Xbox were stupidly underpowered so Sony and Microsoft have released new versions of these console's and again in my opinion what ps4 and Xbox one should of been day 1

Main ones are not exclusive really assassins creed, shadow of war, wolfeinstein and as you said main 1 is Forza 7

knowing game, it will be bundle deals only of other games they are stuck with & cant shift

Bit stupid considering you can still pre order it on amazon

yeh that's what happened last time he got the xbox one at full price and it dropped straight after. he's a massive xbox fanboy and hes had every console on day one but I'm glad that he's decided to wait lol total Xbox widow here lol

They would have been better to boost the CPU (With something like Ryzen) and provide a locked 60 FPS rather than the netbook CPU they currently use which will force many third party games to a locked 30 FPS. That way all current 1080p TVs would benefit from the upgrade.

Why would you do that? They are both same price

Poor move by Microsoft by not releasing this as a separate console. Keeping it linked to the OG Xbone is going to hold it back.

I know it sounds stupid, but i prefer standard all black as opposed to the black/grey gradient and green text writing on the scorpio edition

I didn't get mine in 2016?
All my controllers require the chat adaptor, none of them have the 3.5mm port they're that old

Fair enough. Limited edition normally hold more value if selling in future.

If you want the best, you pay for the best. It's considerably more powerful regardless of whether you want to face that or not.

Its not that expensive considering its considerably cheaper than most flagship mobile phones.

But thanks for the advice, I'll cancel my preorder :joy:

Also, lack of exclusives may be an issue facing Xbox currently (and they need to fix it really)but it's multi platform AAAs that really sell consoles to the mass market - COD, FIFA, Assassins Creed, Battlefront etc

It works both ways, at the beginning of the generation Xbox fan boys couldn't tell the difference 720/900p and 1080p but can now tell the difference between 1440/1800p and 4k, they also said the PS4 had no good exclusives, swings and roundabouts...the life of worshipping a piece of plastic.

Yeah that's true thing for me is us as consumer's need both ms and sony as competition us good for us gamers

What's the difference between project Scorpio edition and the standard edition

Writing on the pad and console saying project Scorpio and little difference in colour that's it really

Improved graphical performance and frame rate in 1080, but whether you want to spend £450 for this is debatable.

100% agree

People buy graphics cards alone for more than this for this very reason :joy:‌ :joy:

If you want the best you buy PC, it plays all those games better than console

Xbox One X is perfect for 1080p screens as all games that output at 4k also render at 4k and user super sampling for output on 1080p screens.

End result is 1080p output that is basically indistinguishable from 4k when using a 1080p set.

This is the main difference Vs the ps4 Pro in terms of looking after 1080p set owners.

Most causal gamers would never buy a pc so buying a console to get the best is what they would prefer to do, why does everyone say if want the best get a pc maybe they don't want 1 possibly?

Absolutely, I had a decent rig last year, mid range rx 480, i5 6600k etc. Unfortunately had to downsize the setup due to a 2nd child on the way. I have to say I was gutted to sell it off and a laptop is just not for me. I suppose the Xbox One X will be the best option as you do get your moneys worth with regards to power and what the system can do. Nothing will replace my pc though. I already miss my steam library :cry:

Cosmetics only.

as well as not having the vertical stand in the box.

When someone says "if you want the best, you pay for the best" then that's pc, I'm sorry you can't make statements like that and say only console.

Also casual gamers aren't paying £450 for this or £300 for a pro when they can play the same games for £175-200.

You sure, thought stock had completely sold out weeks ago.

Yes, amazon stock is on and off probably due to people cancelling

I was playstation fanboy for 15 years easily and i got to the stage after buying both consoles that i was bored!

Pc gaming is on another level for games and graphics! I still console game but pc is where its at

Chuck in my nividia shield tv aswell when i wanna use my tv instead of my predator x34A

all this nonsense about 1080p 60fps is old and tired compared to pc

Xbox? 4k gaming? Lol not even gonna comment!

Love my psvr though xD

Voted hot

OH NO NOT THE VERTICAL STAND!

Reminds me of ps2 days lol thay was a loveley vertical stand

Nvidia shield tv says hello

And again not everyone wants a pc if you cant understand why then not much I can say to you, you're logic there wouldn't be a console market at all just pc nothing else

That's pretty good news for people desperate to get their hands on the limited edition model.

To be honest I only found out about this the other month and I would say I no every console/pc parts out or thought I did so most people wouldn't no what it is

Another tier of graphical fidelity and that's it. It will run the same games as the standard xbox one. So in pecking order its;

1.PC
2. Xbox One X
3. PS4 Pro
4. PS4
5. Xbox one
6. Nintendo Switch (but you can also play as a portable)

If you want the convenience of a console and the widest range of games my vote goes to the PS4 models but I also have a standard Xbox One which I think is great.

The main issue with Xbox in recent months has been a decline in their sales figures with the PS4 becoming even more dominant. Will the 'X' stop this decline I personally don't think so because of the price point. It looks to be a fine console though but I'm more than happy to continue with my standard Xbox One which will play all the same games with slightly crappy visuals. When the 'X' drops in price I can simply play the same games at higher quality then. I suspect by next Christmas the X is likely to be sub £300. I think there is going to be a huge price premium to be an early adopter and also the technology inside is quite advanced and its possible early models could be less reliable. I'm just making the point there are some good reasons to wait.

And agiain you can't make a statement like that regarding gaming and not include pc, I understand what you're saying but if money wasn't an object most people would go that route as it is the best

why? It's the same price

I will wait until next Christmas. Will likely drop £100 by then.

Yeah get what you mean I've got xbox one s ps pro and high end gaming pc, this console is aimed at stupid people like me that need the best money can buy

For someone that has not been keeping up with things, can we say the X is an upgraded One, like the PS4 Pro is to the PS4 rather than a new gen console?

Its exactly that xbox version of ps pro

You Xbox and Playstation fanbois are going to feel so silly when Atari take back the console crown.

Wikipedia states that the Xbox One has 144 console exclusives. Add to that the increasing number of backwards compatible games constantly being added. 2016 was a fantastic year for Xbox with the likes of Quantum Break, Gears of War, Forza Horizon, Killer Instinct, ReCore and Dead Rising games being released. 2017 is the first year PS4 has had the better exclusives but it has given rise to a myth that Xbox has no games. It is used by toxic Sony fanboys to try and convert people to their weird obsession over the PlayStation brand!

Worth it to play the best console version of Player Unknown Battleground.

Going to look gorgeous with the Sea of Thieves water effects.

Never again will I buy day one after the Xbox One Kinect debacle! And the subsequent price drops in under 12 months.
Heat for those early adopters!

Just stick with your old Playstation then mate.

Pointless.
No games.
Desperate marketing trick.

Case in point. My mate just bought Black Ops 3 Zombies Chronicles on Steam... He bought it 4 hours ago and every time he boots it up he gets an exe crash error.

PC gaming in a nutshell.

Yeah because nothing ever goes wrong with consoles... How many Xbox 360s failed again?

Has your mate tried to disabled his AV? That is often the issue.

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I don't know anyone who has mentioned these games at all mate. :grin:

Let me be clear. If you want the best console, you pay for the best console.

Your argument is like saying don't buy that top of the range tent, buy a caravan .... to someone who wants to go camping.

I want a small box that looks nice in my living room, doesn't need driver updates or any real maintanance, doesn't have a desktop and doesn't need keyboard and mouse to operate.

You mean the most powerful right?...best is up for debate.

In case anyone is still after a Scorpio edition, they are back again on Amazon at the minute.

Wikipedia also states the PlayStation 4 has 411 exclusives and if you go to metacritic they also have the most acclaimed exclusives ,and if you want the look at crazy fanboys then look no further than the toxic Xbox fanboys on YouTube.

When are people going to learn that the increased resolution doesn’t instantly make it ‘the most power console everrrrr’. It’s all marketing crap. Case in point, Uncharted 4 running on a ps4. It’s the quality of the game, not slightly smoother textures.

The point is its higher graphic fidelity. There are masses of games not just a pretty decent xbox one library but also backwards compatibility with 360 and original xbox. There is a huge amount of content with some great xbox exclusives. It's not really a marketing trick they are just taking the crown again of most powerful console (for a while) until something better turns up. It really does provide much better visuals for those who really care about that and have a TV to take advantage of that.

The good is your existing xbox one library is fully compatible with upgraded visuals which is brilliant, you don't have to buy the same games again.

The bad is its not getting its own exclusive games as far as I know. There will be no enhanced games based on superior CPU power etc because its designed like ps4 pro to really just offer enhanced graphics and nothing else. It's like putting the memory expansion in the old N64, all you got was higher resolution visuals nothing more or pulling out your old dated PC graphics card and replacing it with a more powerful graphics card. Everyone with a standard xbox one model can enjoy exactly the same games.

I think when people say the console is over priced they don't take into account the value of a UHD player being in built. That alone adds over 100 quid to the value if you were in the market for one of those too.

I think it's better value than the pro but depends what you prefer in the end of the day. But considering the Xbox one launched at over 400 this isn't a bad price

Pre ordered from Amazon. Project Scorpio edition all ready for the 7th November

Before this thread gets too out of hand I'm just going to toss my two cents into the pile as well by creating this fairly handy QA style comment.

Also, before I start this, I'd just like to highlight that I'm disregarding the "I'm a fanboy so..." statement in all of these Qs and As. If you're a fanboy of a specific console then why are you even here asking these questions?

I want the convenience of affordable but still fairly powerful gaming in my living room on my TV.
Get the Xbox One X. For many people who aren't as competent in PC building/configuring, this console is now the perfect (and arguably only) choice for somebody who wants to play games at a decent quality with decent performance for a decent price.

I really like the look of the Xbox exclusives over the PS exclusives.
Then buy the Xbox One (X). Simple.

I really like the look of the PS exclusives over the Xbox exclusives.
Then buy the PS4 (Pro). This really isn't rocket science.

I want the absolute best gaming experience possible but don't want to break the bank.
Build a Gaming PC. Don't purchase one, if you do then you've already broke the bank and you haven't got the absolute best gaming experience possible. The common misconception that PC Gaming is some entitled privilege that only Chief Executives can afford is a misconception. Why do you think that 56% of gamers play on PC? It's not some sort of thing that only the 1% of the 1% can afford.

Obviously 'break the bank' is relative from person to person, as different people have different minimum forces required to break their banks, but you can accomplish a significantly decent gaming experience through PC for approximately £800. (I am not saying that £800 is comparable to the price of the Xbox One X, that's not what this question is about.)

A decent (not amazing, but decent) Ryzen CPU mixed with a mid-high end AMD GPU and some high MHz RAM (which Ryzen greatly benefits from) can result in some glorious games in 1080p and 1440p. 4K is usually a bit of a stretch if you're not settling for a GTX 1070 or greater, but it can still be achieved if you're willing to turn down some settings from ultra to high. Please note that if you are wanting to go crazy and demand 1440p at >60Hz or 4K at >60Hz then you will definitely need to step up that GPU to a high end Nvidia card.

I want the absolute best gaming experience possible and want to break the bank.
Titan XPs in SLI with a high end Intel CPU. Go dual Xeons for ALL THE CORES. All your games on a xTB M.2 Samsung 960 Pro SSD. Move along.

I don't want to get a PC because it will look ugly/not fit under my TV.
Honestly this is just a stupid argument and I hear it wherever I go. Not all PC cases look like this:


There are plenty of small form factor PC cases that you can purchase on the market today that allow you to swap out a console for a PC under your TV without a single person batting an eye. Seriously, you can check yourself. Just Google Mini ITX PC case, and then browse through the 597,000 results that Google returns. And (most of) these cases don't cut corners, meaning that you can still fit (most of) your beefy components into this case.

If you really want to take this to the extreme then check out this video that LTT put out a year or so ago. They managed to pack a 22 core CPU and a GTX 1080 into a 'shoebox' PC.



So this argument is completely invalid. Steam even has a feature designed specifically for this purpose. It's called Big Picture mode, and it allows you to mimic the interface that consoles provide you on your PC. This combined with a small form factor PC and a controller of your choice connected through a wired USB or wireless USB receiver connection, allows you to finally put that 'ugly and huge' PC under your TV.

So you may have just read through all of that and thought, huh, that's pretty weighted towards PC, so I'm going to add these QAs in below as well.

My kids don't want the hassle of having to start and then login to a PC just to play games.
I completely understand that, and for this scenario a console of your choosing would definitely be better. (See above questions for which one to choose)

I don't want a PC. It's too difficult.
Seriously? Just Google stuff. And if that leads to more questions then Google those as well. You're not meant to understand everything in existence instantly, if you did then why do we have education? Did you really think the human race would have even made it past cavemen if we had the attitude of "I don't want life. It's too difficult."

Is the Xbox One X as powerful as a top end gaming PC?
No.

Is the Xbox One X more powerful than the PS4 Pro?
Yes, but not a landslide nor marginally.

Is the Xbox One X more powerful than the Xbox One S?
-_-

With that I am done. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, and thank you for actually making it this far.

Luke... have a day off. Let people buy what they want to, who cares??? Unless you're being paid by Sony, you geniunely have no skin in this game.

It's little wonder people think that videogames are a childish pastime...

Owned an Xbox, 360 and a One, but don’t see the point of this console.

Can someone please explain what this new console offers, as I’m confused?

Does it still play my Xbox One games?
Does it play games that won’t be available on Xbox One?
Will these be a new type of disc sold separately from Xbox One games?
Can I play online games with this console with friends playing on Xbox One?
Will games for this be more expensive?

As the owner of a large 4K OLED tv I’m curious as to what I’d get by getting the new console, as I’m more than happy with my Xbox One (non S model).

I think most people are comparing it to the excellent Xbox One S, it's less than half the price, has all the same multimedia features and plays all the same games.

At the prices we see on here such as £175 with a game, it's tough to see this as a good deal at £450.

I can’t see PubG on a controller being much fun especially as it will be cross platform games with PC players on mouse and keyboard. It will be carnage.

Picking up gear would be a nightmare without the speed of a mouse and keyboard.

It is an excellent game though, very enjoyable on the PC - looking forward to the final release.

If anyone thinks a One S is comparable to a One X then I really need to question their sanity.

I couldn't care less what people spend there money on but when people state things that are false then I'll pipe up, just curious at what point did I tell someone not to buy an Xbox and buy a PlayStation?...so with that I think you should take your own advice

Seriously? It plays the exact same games at the same framerate - just at a higher resolution for over twice the cost.

The greatest difference from 4k TVs is HDR which the Xbox One S can also do.

There going to give people the option to play with mouse and keyboard or controller and then who they play with, so you could play with controller only against people with controllers

I agree HDR is the biggest difference maker, same with 4K films.

Im just waiting until the X is released to see if it improves on frame rate, if not I'll just get an S.

I've got a scorpio edition in pre order and considering cancelling...

I've got ps4 pc with 1070....honest question why should I get this? I'm struggling to justify it? Help haha

Gonna preorder 4.

Cold, it will be RRP so hardly a "deal".

Your PC is better, I wouldn't bother if I were you as most Xbox One X games will be out for PC too. If you want something different then maybe a PS4 or Switch is a good shout. Really enjoying my Switch ATM, has some great exclusives and fun to be able to play it anywhere - a great addition to a PC.

Why do think the One X games will be run at the same frame rate as standard Xbox one games? Have you any proof this is true and will continue to be true throughout the One X’s life cycle?

If we take the comparison between the PS4 Pro and the standard PS4. The pro not only runs games in 4k/higher resolutions it also runs a number of PlayStation games at higher frame rate than the standard PS4 as there are Pro version/patches of some PlayStation games. Now given that the performance difference between the One x and One S is going to be way wider than between the Pro and PS4 why would Microsoft not take advantage of that extra power? It would be nonsensical to think otherwise.

Like with the PS4 Pro versions of PlayStation games we will see One X versions of Xbox games.

Well giving the option of who you play against is much more sensible but I think I will be sticking to the PC version of PubG. Some of the glitches on that version drive me mad and the frustration would be a lot worse for me on console I think.

Some older/less demanding games will see an improved framerate but for newer AAA tiles it's unlikely as the CPU isn't very good.

This is the case with the PS4 Pro too, modern games like Destiny 2 still runs at 30fps.

Why do you feel the need to comment on these posts, if you don't want the console, don't buy it, you need need to persuade others not to buy it because of your opinions.

Yeah I've got the ps4 already and played my friends switch the other day that I kind of liked.... I prefer my Vita weirdly in all honesty but when more games arrive the switch may be hard to resist.

I honestly think I will cancel my pre order I love having consoles on release but so far felt no need for the Xbox one and can't see that changing for the Xbox one x.

I'm a bit like that too ever since my Atari 2600! But I did skip the PS4 Pro and will likely skip the Xbox One X as I don't see the point of these mid-cycle refreshes - I will wait for the next consoles which will likely be 2019.

I still have a soft spot for my Vita, it's a pity Sony didn't stick with it with first party support.

I'm still gaming on an aging 970 due to the silly prices of graphics cards (damn miners), I would love a 1070 though (a pity Vega was so underwhelming) - one can dream :grin:

Why is everyone moaning about the price of this, it's a launch machine it will drop! I can absolutely guarantee this cost more to manufacture than an IPhone X and yet its less than half the price.

I will be ordering.

£89.99 on Argos?

It will run games at a higher frame rate, many, and not just patched ones for Xbox One X support.
Take Project Cars 2 for example it runs like a dog on the Xbox One with an unlocked frame rate, it would take work to actually force it to run at Xbox One performance levels because there is no target in the frame rate to begin with.
Obviously this won't be the case for games with a locked frame rate, but then there would be no benefit there with respect to frame rate except going from a locked 30 to a locked 60 for example. That's where patches will be used if we get any for a specific game of that nature.

All supposition mind but pretty safe assumption...I think :smile:

I will get a xbx to replace my slim model, but not at launch price, i never buy anything at launch, and that goes double for console hardware, but i am happy to sit and watch from the side lines until either a price drop or a sale, either works for me, £350 max, and i get say £80 for my slim cash in a trade in, so a XBX for under 299 is a win for me. :smile:

Impressive number of commas

Clearly there is no balance if you game on one console and rarely use the other one except for UHD playback? The rest of your post seems to be a pro Sony spiel.

haha, makes me laugh when people insist on justifying why they wont be buying one, like other people care!
I play mostly on PS but would love to get an Xbox X if I could afford one, which I can't!
Enjoy gaming on whatever platform you like people, it's all good :sunglasses:

Pretty much everyone in gaming industry that I read from believes it's a marketing product,that will have very limited sales and targeted only niche market.
It stands no chance against PS4's success as the console war this gen is over and Sony has won.they sold twice the number.no way MS can ever catch up.
Sony have exclusives because it makes sence to invest in them,there will be profit.
for MS it's not worth it as they didn't sell as much as they needed and wanted to hence no exclusives.
Xbox One X means nothing unkess it has exclusives.
also it can't even do 4k 60fps so for those who care sbout that stuff,PC is always the way to go.
for everyone else PS4 since it simply got more and better games.
end of story.

Couldn’t agree more. If you have the money and can justify paying the price then why not. If you enjoy gaming and you’re happy with whatever console / computer you have then that’s the main thing.

I'm not a fan boy of any console but let's be honest here, a massive improvement in power will not result in better games or even more graphically impressive games as this release is not a whole new console. It's only a stepping stone and as such will likely have no games that will even use that extra power to its fullest (couple games here and there with HDR and 4k - I assume will happen - are not mindblowing) as it doesn't make business sense to make games limited for the relatively small population that will own the XOX. In short it's an overpriced upgrade when you consider the existing example of the PS4 Pro (which is also more realistically priced) and how there are improved games here and there but not every single one is 'enhanced'

I currently have the PS4 Pro and the PSP Go. I have the Nintendo Wii U and 2DS. The Xbox of course. I have enjoyed gaming on many platforms from the 80's onwards. Sega vs Nintendo through the 80s and 90s was mainly lighthearted fun. As much as I enjoy my PlayStation, I have found the rise of the toxic Sony fanboys to be detrimental to all gaming in general. The hatred some of these fanboys have for Microsoft to the point where they refuse to play a game on PlayStation if it is also available on Xbox. Even the likes of Jim Sterling has called it out! The trolling of Xbox reviews leaving negative ratings on games they have never even played. I know there are also Microsoft fanboys out there but there is no real cultish obsession for Xbox and hatred towards other platforms like you see in Sony fanboys.

I apologise for being dyslexic, i know that is not much in the way to make up for the unforgiviable crime i just committed, but i don't really have anything i can offer as way of atonement that might beg your forgiveness.....i have taken further education over the years to try and help improve, but with dyslexia you hit a brick wall eventually and can go no further no matter how hard or how much ypu want to, nd that is all i can offer in my defence, this is a good as i can ever get, so again my apologies.

Just build a decent PC and be done with it......... silly people!

i'll be waiting for this to drop in price before i bite (and in arctic white of course) :smile:

No thats called having a potato for a gaming rig!

Edit: i own almost 1.5k games on steam and never once had a game crash!

Lots of :poop: coming from people's mouths here.

Why does every post about Xbox and PS turn into some sort of Fanboy argument? Or if someone makes an off hand comment and shares their opinion about any of the consoles, someone is there to jump down their throats.

I for one own a Ps4 and Xbox and like them both for their own merits. I sometimes prefer an apple for a snack and I sometimes prefer an orange (or Samsung :wink: without trying to cause another fanboy argument) for a snack. But I never would frown upon someone else eating an apple when I'm eating an orange. Its 2017, gone are the days when we used to dictate to people what they can like or not.

Now back to this Pre-order, heat for someone who wants to pre-order it now, personally I'm going to wait and watch and see what unfolds but I am very excited about the future of console gaming and the way its going :smile:

So it's live and lots of bundle deals available to pre-order

it's also available at Amazon at the mo

...and Argos just now.

All Game bundles have now been updated in the main post with links

No deal, might get it next year once price drops a little and more true 4K games are available

Looks like Smyths is available for console only as well now

Why is it so expensive?

I guess it's just a console for those who want better graphics (and are prepared to pay for them)
I'll wait til next gen.

Again I will correct you :). I haven't offered an opinion on this console as to whether to buy it or not, merely pointed out that your comment about "exclusives not mattering" is wrong. I can do this all day baby.

Yes but just because your configuration hasn't crashed doesn't mean someone else's unique configuration hasnt. PC gaming and gamer in a nut shell.

He ended up closing a lot of background processes and eventually it opened.. But no logical solution found lol.

Yep a lot of 360s failed. And that was last generation, 4 years ago.

Dunno mate, I reckon any other console fits the decent quality with decent performance for a decent price. This probably fits decent quality with decent performance at a higher price.

Microsoft seems like a gambler who's getting in the hole deeper and getting more desperate by chasing his losses.

They aren't bundle "deals". Just a way to force sales of games at further inflated prices.
Game did this with the Xbox One and PS4 to a shocking degree, had bundles costing up to £800-ish

At least Amazon keep it honest.

Cool story bro

359.99 on very for new customers ....... posted it as a deal as well

As I said, 'decent quality' can be interpreted differently by different people. My idea of 'decent quality' is 1440p-4K, which is what the Xbox One X excels at. Your idea of 'decent quality' may differ from mine. :smile:

Have we had confirmed hard drive specs yet?

No SSD/Hybrid component would be worrying for real world load times.

I've got the xbox one elite and love the ecosystem, but might have to move back onto PCs and steam.

You have terrible taste in games and equally poor English ability.

359.99 on very for new customers ....... posted it as a deal as well

Didn't correct me a first time, my point still stands, if this doesn't interest you, with valid reasons. Then move along, don't post. Noone needs to know in a post about people buying Xbox one x, that your not buying the Xbox one x.

I have an exceptionally good pc, which will handle 4k comfortably. I enjoy the communities and games I play with.

But I have a lot of friends who can't afford a decent pc, I play now and again on my Xbox one s and PS4 with those people. Now I can play 4k with these people when this comes out.
Personally I feel playstation has better exclusives, although their biggest ones are remasters.
But in all honesty I mainly play multiplatform games, it doesn't put me up not down who has the best.I certainly don't go to post about PlayStation's for sale, and offer up my unwanted opinions on how I find Xbox better.

Pre-ordered Xbox One X with Forza 7 + Assassin's Creed: Origins + Middle Earth: Shadow of War and NOW TV 2 Month Entertainment Pass - £562.99


cant wait!

What are you doing? I haven't said I'm buying or not buying the XOX in any of my posts? Are you buying one? Why are you posting in here if you're not buying one, if those are your criteria for posting? I'm interested in buying one, but maybe not on launch day, am I allowed to be in here? So confusing. :worried:

My mistake then.. Your post read like you'd bought your Xbox last Christmas, so the early adopter part seemed odd.

Not everyone can afford a good gaming PC that the problem. My new gaming PC cost £1500 and I could only afford that due to saving for ages

It's whether i need to purchase a new TV.
So with the standard Xbox one I'm not playing at 1080? even though TV is capable? I'm confused. :neutral_face:

If you pre-order from game how does it work if you want to trade in your old xbox towards this one?

And you have a stupid photo thanks for commenting

Ha ha. What a lot of rubbish. There’s a big difference in power between the one x and it’s predecessors.

Tv needs upgrading first :disappointed:
Got to somehow convince the wife I NEED an oled tv and get rid of one of the 4 big normal led lit tv's.
Then I can upgrade my console

That's because the original Xbox One should never have existed in the first place.

But which of the companies on release day are most likely to deliver a console or a email offering a apology.

Amazon have been very flaky lately.

Game hmmmm full of hot air and no stock.

John Lewis, hmmm extra year guarantee and a pretty respectable stock keeping records.


I'd vote for John Lewis as the best bet.

Im a console gamer aswell as i said before

Sorry your friend has a potato :cry:

What ya got?

I totally agree with that. Whoever made the decisions on the design of the original Xbox One lost Microsoft the console war. I had X360 for years but bought a PS4 at launch instead of the One and never regretted it. Now that most Xbox games are now on PC I probably won’t bother with a One X.

Watch out mate, truth hurts some people!

Power of the cloud? Lol what a joke that was!

I basically bought this one from PC specialist.

pcspecialist.co.uk/vie…pc/

i7-7700k
gtx 1080

i am am still trying to get used to pc gaming again after years on a console.

Very entertaining discussions ongoing! :joy:

Exactly. They released a below spec machine using hardware that was already well out of date by the time of its launch in 2013 and now 4 years later expect their customers to buy a new machine at nearly 500 quid because they screwed up.

The PS4's hardware was hardly cutting edge in 2013 either but the Xbox One looked like a dinosaur by comparison.

Wont take long and youll never go back to console

And it was right after i bought the xbox one i got into pc gaming!

I keep hearing about new consoles.... wheres the games?

This is absolutely not a deal.

The PS4 has had some stellar ones although admittedly it took a long time to find momentum.

The Xbox One, not so much.

My advise would be to wait it out until next year, Good 4K TV price will be more affordable, and by then hopefully xbox price point will better. I also think the xbox games library on launch is little stale, so waiting until they have some decent exclusives would be a better decision. I have decent ps4 gaming setup at the moment so not worth me changing at this moment in time.

Just Ordered Xbox One X Project Scorpio Edition 1TB Console @ Amazon

That may have cost £1500 but you don't need to spend anywhere near that to match/better a Xbox One X. A Ryzen 3 1200 and Geforce 1060 6GB would do that and only cost £650.

I agree. Literally no point in having a capable gaming PC and this thing, particularly since Xbox doesn't technically have 'exclusives' these days.

Think I will pass.. waste of money

Said nobody in the last 2-3 years. The Xbox annual line up has been truly woeful since 2014.

100% agree. I'm sitting here with a gtx 1080 build , ps4 slim , the vita and just traded my Xbox one in for the Xbox one s just this week based on the super shopto £199 deal. I play titles on all them I don't get the nonsense fan boy spout out. They all have great games. Forza 3 is an unbelievable game. Gears of war. Halo
. Backward compatibility etc. Sony has awesome games to as does PC only titles eg pubg and mods to expand your games beyond what they ever imagine on release.
As a gamer I super excited about the Xbox one X a machine that does native 4k that can sit in my living room and take virtually no space.
Look spout all the fan boy shit but nine is better they do the same thing okay games simple as that. 4k is the way it's all going and the life cycles are getting shorter of consoles. If you can afford to experience the X then do it ,you won't regret it. I'll be getting it and this time next year or be the PS5 if not before hand.

Will this gen of console + games support more split-screen local co-op gaming? I skipped out on the last gen of console because very few games seemed to support local play and you had to be online for everything.

Been a long time since I've done any gaming anyway. However, what's the appeal of consoles if everything has moved towards sitting at home and gaming by yourself over the internet? That's what PC gaming is for. For me, consoles had an appeal because it was convenient to setup and play split screen with friends... Maybe I'm just becoming an old fart!

Pre-ordered via Microsoft Store as 3% Quidco and Reward points.
Yes it seems expensive but with UHD player included (better one than the SI believe) and much improved disk I/O (god please do not use the internal disk for storing your games on the normal xbox and buy an external HD connected via USB) it well help significantly.

In a word, no. The PS4 has some reasonably decent couch co-op titles and Sony are pushing a new multiplayer gaming system for PS4 where everyone uses their smartphone as a controller (not just party games) but it's mostly a dying genre unfortunately.

He literally just said it

Had the XONE since day 1. Really enjoyed it. Have ordered the XONEX from Very as new customer credit account so 20% off and gone through TCB so hopefully 7.35% possibly bringing this down to £325ish. If I can get £100 for my XONE I'll be happy enough paying out on this. Just hoping the HDR works with my 4k LG TV. It wasn't marketed as HDR but does have an option in the settings on one HDMI socket for something similar from suitable sources...

He's giving people a list of options, not claiming that as his own opinion.

yeah fair point, but it's worth the investment :wink:
I still think the one x is overpriced for what you're getting.
then again, xbox one was in the same ballpark, and i paid full whack for that.... presents for teenage kids don't come cheap these days *sighs*

Wow - what is some statement you have made. The xbox one x is far from an under-powered PC - at worse its is a mid range gaming rig, and with optimization it will perform at a level you would need a pc with a graphics card equal or better than an overclocked 4gig 1060 possibly a 1070 - you build me that in a small form factor for under £500 with operating system the general public can comfortably use.

Why buy a console when you can get all the benefits of a pc? I will reverse that question why buy a £1000 PC just to play games at near as dammit the same quality (or worse as PC ports of consoles games are usually very demanding), when you can get it 'just working with ease of use at the forefront of the design for half the price.

Firstly, it may match a 1060 for graphics but it wont match an i5 or even a Ryzen 3 in terms of processing power so the FPS will be much lower.

The advantage of building a PC is that when the Xbox 2 comes out in 2019/2020 you have to folk out another £450 to keep up where as the PC you built would just need a £200 GPU upgrade (and you could flog the old one for £100).

You wouldn't need to spend anywhere near £1000, more like £650. Also if you went for a second hand i5 PC for about £150 quid you could spruce it up in a new case and pop in an 1060 for less than the cost of the Xbox One X - And get a warm fussy feeling inside from the accomplishment :grin:

But i digress, if you want to play your Xbox games at upto four times the resolution and don't mind the high price tag then crack on and enjoy all those extra pixels!

Tesco codes have expired then?

4.5 increase in GPU performance and the leap from 8GB of DDR3 to 12 GB GDDR5 is what you consider small increase then you must have been really disappointed with pretty much all new PC/console release in the past few years.

To me it's not the increase that's disappointing, it's the requirement for the Xbox One to be able to run all the games. The console is held back by that fact

Imagine if the NES had to run all SNES games or the PS2 all PS3 games... You won't see larger more complex games because of this, just the same games in 4k.

That was my issue with the PS4 Pro too and it's atleast much more reasonably priced.

No real advancement will come in the console space until the next consoles in 2019/2020.

just ordered scorpio edition via amazon :innocent:

the NUS £10.00 discount code works on this as well,

I have an Amazon pre order but I'm very tempted to switch for the evil within 2 and forza edition. Hmmmm

The Xbox One was £429 when it first came out wasn't it?

I have no idea to be honest, if so this is certainly a lot more kit for similar money. Still on the fence, might wait until nearer Christmas.

Is it just me not bothered about the lack of new exclusives? I've still got lots of games to play that were released earlier this year and they're getting 4k updates. Good enough for me! Ive held off playing GOW4, RE7 and Titanfall 2

Oh, and I bought a UE65KS900 about 6 months ago. Can't wait...

happy with my PS4 also picked up a switch the other day with the amazon save £25 code so im happy dont think this is worth the money.

Looking forward to this for HDR/4k gaming on my OLED/JVC Projector. Will wait until Black Friday though.

Anyone have experience of sitting up close to a 65" and gaming? 4k is really only of benefit if you sit sub 6 feet but I'd imagine that makes gaming quite hard?

Great entertainment, just spent the last 10 minutes reading these Muppets to and throws. :grin:‌ :grin:‌ :grin:

I got my pre order in but still undecided on whether I need it having a decent PC and a Pro. This console will be around £350 early next year after the initial sales dry up, imo of course. Watch out for some mega Pro deals in October.

My problem with the XBX is the CPU. This is way underpowered compared to the rest of the system. A lack of 60 fps games at 1080p let alone 4k means the Pro does pretty much the same for same for less.

I'm not interested in a uhd bluray player.

Still, the pre-order stays for now!

No it's not, because a games console is nothing without the games, and MS are SoL on that front! Tech wise it seems great though.

Sorry, had to stop reading at 'small increase in power'.

Where's the actual deal here this just the RRP

No worries, the rest read "and barely any worthwhile exclusives".

I wasn't missing anything then, completely subjective.

3% cashback on all console sales @ Microsoft through Quidco for the next 3 days

That sucks. It's the only major part of console gaming that appealed to me. Ah well.

Its is really the CPU holding back 60fps? I know the CPU is poor in comparison to full fat desktop CPU's but it is multi core and optimisation in code to run just for that cpu will assist considerably. Often the bottleneck in PC's s either the hard drive or more relevant with gaming the GPU and VRAM. Im sure I have watched some you tube videos of the same game played on a i3, i4 and i7 with minimal FPS gains as the GPU was the limiting factor, are we saying here the GPU is now being limited by the CPU - if so please provide me links to support this (i am genuinely interested to read about it rather than calling you out as wrong).

What are best exclusives for the station? Only recently got mine (to play CB believe it or not). I always see people slate Xbox for exclusives, but other than Uncharted on Station, dont really fancy anything. Love Halo and Forza Horizon though. Confuses me that the general consensus is PS have loads and Xbox has none. Not as upto date as i used to be though.

I really can't justify the high tag on this, I'm on the verge of needing to replace my day one due to disk drive issue. But huge price difference makes it hard to spring. Plus I only have a 1080p projector. And I'm not sure the increase justifies cost enough for me. Would like one though, they look sleek.

Heat OP

For me It's not all about exclusives, it's for sure a high price tag but looking at the games that are being patched and everyone will be running better than the ps4 pro counterparts. It must be pretty good to be running resident evil 7 at full 4k 60fps, a pc to do that would be a hell of a lot more money than £449.

Or for the same price you could get an xbox one AND a ps4 and play all the games.. I mean isn't more options better??

I'm trying to think of a reason to warrant getting one of these, but seeing as nearly all of the Xbox "exclusives" are also releasing on PC I can't think of a reason why I'd buy any games for this over my PC.

If you have a mid to high range gaming PC there isn't really any point. This console is aimed at the console market. The very few play anywhere titles that are available will still be better on a good spec PC.

My son is a rocket league pro player and wants a pc. But someone said this new xbox is built for gamers. Very expensive thiugh this new xbox

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Bungie seem to think it's the CPU. The CPU tech in the Xbox is old and given that a PC with a lesser graphics card than the XBX but better CPU can get a locked 1080p 60 FPS in the Destiny 2 Beta confirms this. Even a weak i3 would destroy the XBX CPU in benchmarks.

In many circumstances you are right, the GPU is often the limiting factor but when pumping out higher frame rates a good CPU helps alot. On the plus side, the 'proper' next gen consoles should have Ryzen or a variant. Native 4k at a locked 60 fps would look incredible on a full HDR enabled TV.

Try and find a 4K blu-ray for £100 and there's your answer

Trade your PS4 in to GAME and upgrade won't be as much

Can't wait for this. Don't really understand people bad mouthing it. I'd have to pay way over this for a PC to do the same and I already have a 4K TV with HDR. I already own 10+ games that will be enhanced from day 1 and they've already confirmed over 100 titles that will do the same. Love the Xbox operating system and quality of life features on live. If I had a PC I'd be tinkering with the setup on the game I was playing more than playing the actual game. I'm bad enough with my tv settings from game to film to TV! :joy: On console they're optimised for me, sticking with Xbox. And no, I don't work for MS :thumbsup:‌ :joy: Hope this helps someone's decision, it's a substantial outlay.

Microsoft and Sony are doing what Apple does now, a new update each year and a cost of a console now is very expensive. For this reason, PC gaming for me seems a better option! More power and it can be easily upgraded, about £200 for than this new Xbox but worth it

Convinced me not to get it on release, many thanks.

Yep each person is different or the world would be a very boring place.

People need to stop comparing specs of consoles. I play more xbox one than ps because my friends play games I like to play on xbox. Simple as that.

I would like one of these new machines, especially since I play a lot of Elite Dangerous and would love the increased Ram and processing power, however my original xbox one still works just fine and I'll pick this up in a year, probably second hand for half the price and with many more games made for it and many of the teething problems sorted out.

Maybe I'm just getting old and boring but buying something just because it's new is not a reason to buy something in my book.