Wow, here we go, I just presented you with your own quote saying ALL cities and you are still not big enough to hold your hand up.

I don't read newspapers or online news, you are obviously the sort of person that does and believes everything they read. Of course everything isn't fake news, but the journos love to embellish and make things up so gullible folk like you can spout BS on forums. :grin:

The Times has a paywall, dear. Nothing clever.



Did I say all cities? No.



Funny when I Google, I come up with multiple instances of such news here, here, here and here.



You keep believing what you want to believe. It personally doesn't affect me or my car, but it will affect others.

[quote]It's all city centres, not just London.[/quote]


Did you not? Are you sure? Looks like you said ALL to me above. :grin:

From your comments on here before, you will never admit to being wrong so I'm not going to waste my time on this one, our resident HUKD know all will always want the last comment in the belief they know everything. :unamused:

I can't find anything that backs up your comment above when you said all cities will be banned in Autumn 2019, it's just complete nonsense you have re-gurgitated from online "news" papers.

That's very clever linking to a newspaper article that wants me to register and sign up to view the article, which I will not do.

And as we all know how newspapers love to lie and tell us crap all day long, do you actually have any facts from the government to back up your nonsense claim that ALL UK cities will have banned diesel vehicles by Autumn 2019?

Strangely enough when I google your "fact" there is nothing listed at all, other than the eventual ban of petrol AND diesel sales in 2040. The only slight mention of 2019 is that the Mayor of London will ban them by 2019 and then in 2020 he MIGHT move the ban to the North Circular.

Which sort of goes back to my original post saying that for those of us nowhere near London it has no bearing.

Oh look, here is a part of another version of that article:

"Affected cities include Birmingham, Leeds, Southampton, Nottingham and Derby, which already have plans to impose toxin taxes on older lorries, taxis and coaches starting in 2019, but could extend the taxes to diesel cars as well."

"Plans" for wagons, taxis etc so nothing set in stone, and then "could" extend to cars.

It's all just guess work and nothing is set in stone so your scaremongering for people that do run diesels is just silly.

BS, are you honestly telling me that every UK city will have banned diesels by Autumn 2019? :grin:

Please provide your information source and I may give you an ounce of credibility.

Typically VED is included, yes.

You need to maintain the warranty, therefore one service at end of year one.

Autumn 2019 is not ten years away...

Go to the first non-Google ad link on my link...

Not for well over 10 years it’s not. But even so, I drive into a city maybe 1 or 2 times a year

Hi Alacazam, Can I ask, was that a lease through VWFS? I am on my first lease with them and absolutely paranoid about where I park mine, etc coz I cannot afford to be saddled with a large damage bill at the end of the lease. It would re-assure me if you were with them as well as I am getting stressed out at every little scratch that appears in the lacquer, etc.

The Golf I had was through VW finance. Two alloys had kerb damage - no problem within limits so no charge, there was a deep scratch on the wing where a lump of concrete fell out of a tipper - charged £26.

It obviously doesn't have that never ending push into the seat craziness of the Golf but it's surprisingly nippy and nimble given how light the front end is - and much more frugal, I can easily get over 50mpg on a run.

Really?! That sucks... just when I was beginning to like this site, they go and enforce unhelpful rules like that! Maybe you could PM the URL it to me? But only if you're feeling really helpful of course. Thanks in advance :thumbsup:‌ :thumbsup:

I can't post it on here - HUKD do not allow it, hence that Google link

Thanks for your help, never heard of Google before but glad I have now... The question was more to learn whether you knew of a faster method of finding better lease deals rather than trawling through each lease site and/or result that Google might present in any given "car lease" search. But never mind...

Company car tax rates are set out for the next few years, with no announcement in the last Budget (I don't think) to change the current system. Sure the 3 per cent supplement on BIK tax may be getting scrapped, but company car tax rates will increase incrementally over the next few years for all fuel types. Local authorities are already looking at congestion charges in cities that will take a harder line on diesel cars (UK from Autumn 2019 on non-EU6 cars) or higher parking charges for diesels in particularly congested cities to help discourage their use. But unless you are doing more than 20k miles a year, I wouldn't go for a diesel. If you are a 40% tax payer, there isn't a massive difference with the BIK on the say a 2.0 TSI Octavia and a 2.0 TDI.

If you don't do the mileage and you are BIK-sensitive, perhaps choose a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV? Top-spec Outlanders would have lower BIK tax than diesel rivals. The only thing to consider with that choice is that the BIK tax for plug-in cars will increase more rapidly than petrol or diesel rivals over the next few years and your annual bill will increase at a steeper rate than for a petrol or diesel car, although will remain lower than them. Plus, you'd only get the fuel economy benefit of the PHEV if you cover relatively short journeys and ensure the battery is charged frequently as it only has a realistic EV range of around 20 miles or so.

My apology: I can see that they are on sale at £12,995 and I believe you that they were sold for the even lower price. I thought you had been having a joke at my expense.
That is a remarkable price for a good car, well done.

There was a discussion on Pistonheads about it pistonheads.com/gas…604

But the point is petrols are not being banned at all. Diesels are, yet you still advocate them as if they are the future. They aren't unless you do 20,000 miles/year or more and/or need a very big vehicle such as a pick-up or a van and/or need to tow something

Sorry I'm presuming they have now sold them all, but Seat Warrington have them for £12,995 seatwarrington.co.uk/new…755
If you do a quick search you will see evidence that they were £11,995 forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho…188

Not quite. What you can't see, is what the dealer offered to the previous owner etc. There will be markup in that price of £11,490, so the decrease is almost certainly more.

It's all city centres, not just London.

Try Google

I just looked at the company's website and it lists the Seat Toledo as costing from £17,830. I'm guessing you were joking with me - very clever.

Yes a brand new car and top of the range spec and similar to the Octavia just 4" shorter . I got one earlier this month.

Is that the price for a new car, and is the Toledo similar? If so that puts a different perspective on this deal.

A Seat Toledo with the same engine is available new for £11995 from Seat Grimsby, they had about 30 of them and they are selling well.

Good point fossman. The cost of ownership for the rental in this post would be £2739 in the first 12 months, so that compares quite favourably with the used car. I'm still vacillating about the rental issue, but that was good information, thank you.

The Skoda Octavia S list price is £17,195. Haggle a £2,000 discount (mentioned above) so pay £15,195.





A quick search on the Skoda website and I found this 12 month old Silver Octavia S with 11,000 miles on the clock for £11,490.





That is a decrease in value of £3,705 in only 12 months.

Thank you for that comment, this is one of the values of HUKD - that one can garner opinions from others regarding important purchases.

I take your point about depreciation, it is a bit difficult to work out because almost no one pays the RRP to start with. For my Superb diesel estate (Elegance model) the RRP was £27k plus some change when I bought it 4 years ago, but I had negotiated the price down to £22k. It just had its fourth birthday so I got a WBAC price for it in case I decided to change, and it came out as £11.5k - which is where my calculation of it being worth 50% of its new value at 4 years came from (50% of the price I paid). If I had paid RRP then I think your figures would have been right - but as I said above, almost no one with cash will pay RRP for a common user car.

The long term rental market seems to be quite new (or perhaps I didn't notice it previously?), and now many people seem to be using it. I really do appreciate your comments about your experiences with renting and I note they have been favourable. I'm still mulling it over, but in my case I keep coming to the conclusion that my 4 year old Superb estate suits my needs very well - it does 50mpg, costs £30/year to tax, is cheap to service and can only depreciate by about another £8k if I keep it for to the 10 year point (or beyond). I'm still thinking about the renting option though. so thank you very much for your advice.

And why would that be? It's a family saloon, not a 911

Needs the engine in the rear.

Most of that is correct. Except I have yet to see a Skoda that takes 4 years to halve in value. Even the Citigo seems to loose 45-50% of its value at year 3. That is assuming average mileage. If you are a very low mileage user then you may have a 10% or so advantage. So a 25% loss over 2 years seems pretty good. Plus on a sportier car, you get out of paying the new and more expensive yearly tax as well. There are lots of things to think about. But I am on my second lease car and unless I was buying something that I wanted to keep for a very long time; I will carry on leasing.

True but diesels are really a no go for many people - the cost of replacing the dpf flter plus other fiters is often so high that you need to be doing a pretty high annual milage to get any benefit....and no consisently short trips.

Gotcha, 1.0 TFSI. 1.0-litre turbocharged three-cylinder petrol. Knew the TSI but don't see many TFSI when I'm on the road.

Emailed the fleetlease link for the slightly cheaper deal.. 14 week lead. Bit of a wait.

A thoughtful and well made point. Fair play

What you do in your own time is your business - I'm sure a Skoda dealer could advise you if he can help you with that particular requirement.

Actually.......I am!

I bet that thing couldn't pull your foreskin

It will have if you were driving an electric :smile:

Has Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow been upgraded?

True, but for some of the discounts offered, I think that's a small price to pay

You assume everyone has a need or desire to drive into London. London isn't the centre of the world regardless of what it's inhabitants think, I've never had to drive into London in 43 years. :wink:

I returned a VW Golf GTD last week after 2 year lease, 2 minor dents that I hadn't noticed (it looked like someone had opened a door into it) and one alloy that was pretty scratched up. I was expecting to pay a lot since they're 18" diamond cut alloys. Total charge for all damage - £36 - cannot complain at all.

Yes I am sure. I'm leasing it, insured it and driven it so you are missing something. I had a Golf R for 2 years and now an Audi A3 Sportback 1.0Tsi for 6 months. Quick google threw this up

completecar.ie/car…tml

The Golf was great, the Audi is fine. Take it from someone who has actually driven both, it wasn't a 'massive big downgrade' at all. It's slower, from a start or off a roundabout, and to overtake - big deal...

Seemingly the same attitude when it comes to posting deals. Not one posted in 8 years. But more than happy to slag off other's hard work. As Clinton Baptiste would say 'I'm getting a word.....troll'...

Dude, I'm intrigued.... How do you manage to go and find a cheaper price elsewhere so quickly for all the HUKD lease deals?!? Do you have to just check every single lease site each time or do you have some other workflow process that you follow? Sorry for being nosy :blush:

Leasing special deals are sometimes factory builds - I've had a mix of stock and factory through leases, so don't be surprised if people report back on 12 week lead times for this one. Possibly longer if it has a good take-up.

He meant TFSI, which the 1 litre has been in the A3 for a while now.

autoexpress.co.uk/aud…iew

If you are happy to take a car without changing the spec, the best deal you will get is from stock specials. These are cars that dealers have not yet shifted, but are now happy to move on, and often at a significant discount. You get the car exactly as it is and can't change anything, but for a lot of people that is not an issue anyway.

WhatCar leasing often have stock specials. Always worth a look.

You really have got a bug up your proverbial about leasing haven't you. Obviously you never have, so you really aren't qualified to comment to be honest. Should leave that to those of us that are.

£5.94 per day! :-)

You sure you got the right engine spec there? OP is en.wikipedia.org/wik…via comparing like for like. Golf R> 1.0TS? That's a massive big downgrade. Insurance will be cheaper too. Since when Audi A3's started using 1.0TSI? Not even A1's have 1.0TSI. Am I missing something here? :thinking:

en.wikipedia.org/wik…Mk6
en.wikipedia.org/wik…Mk7
en.wikipedia.org/wik…_A3
en.wikipedia.org/wik…_A1

I went from a Golf R to an Audi A3 with this engine. Yes the Golf was amazing, for 1 percent of the time I was driving it, the rest was bumbling along in traffic or on the motorway in top gear like everyone else. So mid life crisis over with I got sensible.

This engine is so light it feels very nimble and quiet and is much cheaper to run. In fact it's surprisingly nippy.

118luke wrote:
One of these high emission 1.0 Turbo GDI engines.I look forward to when people realise the fact air hasn't become any cleaner by switching from Diesels to these.


Yawn - same old tiresome quote. Petrols are still legal and will be for at least the next 25 years. Diesels are being driven out...

Are diesels being driven out? Looking at my next company car, it's still cheaper for me to get a diesel (for the next three years anyway) than a petrol, plug in hybrid or hybrid. A lot less in it than last time, but will still be cheaper. And by 2020 they are supposed to be scrapping the 3%BIK surcharge on diesels.

Wow what a deal. Very well specced car for the price, even comes with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, as well as front parking sensors and drive assist features. A friend of mine has a 2016 Octavia, it's a fantastic car.

In my book £4300 for 2 years of hassle free motoring is a no-brainer. Of course leasing is not for everybody, and if your budget is limited you could opt for a well maintained low mileage reliable car of a few years' vintage for cheaper and you'd be able to get some money back when you sell it.

Have some well deserved heat OP.

One of these high emission 1.0 Turbo GDI engines.
I look forward to when people realise the fact air hasn't become any cleaner by switching from Diesels to these.

I'm relatively new to the leasing thing... but recently been on the threads for leasing and wondered whether it is better to wait until q4 for a better deal than this? Personally I think this is quite a good offer.

Don't forget the extra grand for the dodgy damage charges.

I know this is a little like telling someone who wants a cold sandwich that they are doing toasted sandwiches half price however people may not know that you can get it's bigger brother. In my opinion a much better car the Superb for a reasonable rate too.

This is only FYI and not in any way a criticism of the posters deal.

Skoda Superb SE Tech 2.0 diesel I know - but it's a lease) for £206 per month £615 initial rental (24 months x 10,000 miles) £5,628 total.

Yes, i know, who would have thought more money per month buys you a bigger car, again just an FYI.

We see so many of these rental plans advertised here that it is hard to know what is a good deal and what is not.

With this one the cost is £4,334 to rent a £17,195 car for 2 years and 20,000 miles. That works out at 25% depreciation, which sounds reasonable until one realises that the new car would not cost £17,195, but probably at least £2,000 less (I negotiated £6,000 off my current Superb estate when I bought it new 4 years ago, so I think this is a reasonable assumption). In that case the depreciation is about 30%, perhaps that is still good? My current Skoda has depreciated to just about half its new value in 4 years, so perhaps a 30% loss in two is okay?

I'm rather thinking aloud here. I've always bought new cars for cash previously - and generally been able to save around 20% compared to the manufacturer's price (the exception being my Porsche, no discounts there!). These days so many people seem to be going for rental deals like this one, so I'm wondering whether I should do the same when it comes to changing the Skoda (or perhaps I keep it for a decade and amortise the cost over a decade).

My conclusion: I still don't know whether this is a good deal or not (either compared with other rental deals or buying new) - so I'll sit on the fence and not vote yet.

:-)

Lol 1L engine in the car like that? I bet it will go from 0 - 60 within a week or so :wink:

So why comment?

Mate, you go for it.And enjoy.

Looks a decent family sized car for the money, 115Bhp is plenty for everyday driving.