One of the best ideas I have heard in my life :smile:
nihir
17 Sep 17#8
Book some which goes from Luton airport, you'll have better odds :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:
BigBuds
17 Sep 17#9
Good odds really.
humza7
17 Sep 17#10
Under EC Regulation 261, passengers are entitled to a refund AND compensation if they are due to arrive more than 3 to 4 hours after the original time – and are given less than two weeks’ notice.
Many disappointed Ryanair travellers have been told they will have to wait days for another flight.
humza7
17 Sep 17#11
Most of the flights cancelled in the UK depart from London Stanstead
gordies to humza7
17 Sep 17#23
Or even Stansted
averagejoe to humza7
17 Sep 17#24
Most flights cancelled in the UK don't depart at all
vulcanproject
17 Sep 17#12
Ryanair logic though
Boss: We have too many flights delayed damaging our punctuality rating, what can we do about it? :rage: Lackey: Well.....we can just cancel them altogether and then they aren't classed as delayed? :nerd: Boss: GENIUS! :party:
Gentle_Giant to vulcanproject
18 Sep 17#65
So basically copying the railway companies then.
veedubjai
17 Sep 17#13
Eden0032
17 Sep 17#14
Found a £4.99 fare, it's actually quite tempting but I shan't risk it.
Stansted ---> Grenoble - Wednesday 4th October @ 13:30
MarkShopper
17 Sep 17#15
Maybe better all round just to not put money in Ryanair's pockets. The last time I had a flight cancelled it was a three year battle to get my EU compensation.
jimbo23 to MarkShopper
18 Sep 17#31
Sounds about right. Most EU directives that are there to supposedly protect people mean having to jump through a million hoops and/or come with a ton of stipulations in the small print. It's easy to spend money, but in the event of something going wrong, getting it back is equal to that of walking through a mine field.
schnide to jimbo23
18 Sep 17#105
Most EU directives eh?
You got a source for that? Do you perhaps work in law? Or is this just something you've made up?
I got £600 from the BA screw-up a few months back thanks to this EU directive. The only reason it was delayed is because BA were dragging their heels, not because there was anything wrong with the directive.
Do you know of anything in UK law alone that would've got me this money? Not bl**dy likely my friend.
jimbo23 to schnide
18 Sep 17#113
Yes, I have worked in law, just to chuck that one in there.
Lot's of directives littered with clauses. As an example - The working time directive (48 hour max working week), which also comes with an opt out that you pretty much have to sign at the interview stage of most jobs. If you don't, chances are next person whom does, will have a much better chance of getting said job.
There is no UK law on the matter because the EU law is currently in it's place. So, I can't answer that question.
JezB to jimbo23
18 Sep 17#117
And who asked specifically for there to be an opt-out? Your good old "friend of the working man" British government. And yes, directives like all pieces of law, do have lots of clauses in them. Doing a bit of hoovering round the office doesn't count as working in law.
jimbo23 to JezB
18 Sep 17#153
We had far better consumer rights protections and working rights protection than a lot of the EU Directives to begin with. Hence, we kept most of them.
Are you some kind of consipiracy theorist that thinks the UK government is out to get you?
schnide to jimbo23
18 Sep 17#121
What in law specifically, may I ask?
The opt-out would more likely be when you sign the contract, wouldn't it? I'm not saying it doesn't happen - and this is purely anecdotal, but I don't ever remember ever having signed that at the interview stage. You'd have to provide stats on how many people haven't succeeded in a job application because of that opt-out. Otherwise, that's just anecdotal too.
Besides, that's not really a good example of most EU laws. How many laws, in any country, don't have clauses and conditions? That's how laws are supposed to work.
Either way, thanks to the directive on cancelled flights I got my compensation with only BA being the ones to delay - which was the original point and goes against what you're saying. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just paint an attractive picture of the benefits of this law which, for me at least, has done exactly what it's supposed to do.
Gentle_Giant to MarkShopper
18 Sep 17#67
Sadly true, RyanAir do their best to avoid anything they are legally required, if it is going to cost them money. Does anyone remember the attempt to get short haul flights with no seats, so they could cram more people in??
They later tried to claim it was a joke, but...........
InTheKnow444
17 Sep 17#16
can you see if a flight has plenty of availability cos these might get cancelled 1st?
LotusJas to InTheKnow444
17 Sep 17#17
Yes if you click to choose your seat. That will show how many seats are available but not chosen. Ignore the middle ones as no one chooses those and they will always be available. :face_with_monocle:
coathanger
17 Sep 17#18
So , 40/1 are the odds given on this gamble.
If you think 1 in every 40 flights are cancelled then you're mad.
Save your money and stop giving it away.
chocci to coathanger
18 Sep 17#41
1 in 50 flights to be precise
Ryanair are cancelling 50+ flights per day for the next 6 weeks so staff can have their holidays and their punctuality rates improve
You really couldn't make this up!
fozzeh to coathanger
18 Sep 17#78
Odds and chance are totally different things.
Spod to coathanger
18 Sep 17#110
Mad? Really? According to the BBC, Ryanair are cancelling 40-50 flights per day over the next 6 weeks. Ryanair operates over 2000 flights per day on average, but less at this time of the year than in the holidays. On the days when 50 flights are cancelled, that's going to be around 1 in 40.
They're cancelling a little under 2% of their schedule currently, for the next few weeks / months, ie slightly worse odds than 1 in 50, so in terms of betting these are better odds than many punts. House still wins overall though.
I don't think this is a serious deal, slightly tongue in cheek. You obviously didn't get it!
coathanger to dommontgomery
18 Sep 17#141
Actually it's you that doesn't get it.
Many fools on here are genuinely buying tickets in the real belief there's the possibility of making money.
I'm politely pointing out the reality of the odds to those not used to gambling.
Luke4efc to coathanger
18 Sep 17#176
Ryanair guessed at 2% will be cancelled on Facebook. Which is actually 1 in 50 chance.
InTheKnow444
17 Sep 17#19
so, a flight with few bookings that is a bit longer haul may pay off!
horsepills
17 Sep 17#20
If anyone ever booked me on a Ryanair flight I'd pray it got cancelled regardless of any compensation.
j41sal
17 Sep 17#21
434 heat wow. Brexit is here.
FamGuy to j41sal
18 Sep 17#35
Better hurry up and book your flight to Remoania.
rmboss to FamGuy
18 Sep 17#132
Wtf is Remoania ?
Asam22
17 Sep 17#22
Lol i love the idea
j41sal
17 Sep 17#25
Hope everyone gets the 9.99 deal and hope its single way. Stay there☺
2minutenoodles
17 Sep 17#26
cikki100
17 Sep 17#27
Hate those benefit scroungers
j41sal to cikki100
18 Sep 17#28
They would be like kids no(take away) food today till next week on this deal. Don't get me wrong some do try but most want to live of gov and expect everything which most working people don't even consider as being priority.
liverpoolgirl1147 to j41sal
18 Sep 17#32
You take far too much notice of the media. Yes, there are scroungers about, more in some areas than others, but like everything, it is the minority getting the majority a bad name. I used to work for DWP so I do know what I am talking about.
hoarhouse to liverpoolgirl1147
18 Sep 17#152
At last someone with a brain. if they think benefits could afford you a luxurious lifestyle, then their idea of luxury must be choosing between food or heat.
jeanmoff to liverpoolgirl1147
18 Sep 17#164
Far, far too many people read the Daily Fail, run by non Dom scrounger.....
dwl99 to j41sal
18 Sep 17#73
I get you wrong
palcsaky
18 Sep 17#29
Most EU flights are in the 1500km zone which entitles the traveller to €250 compensation if cancelled within 14 days of departure, no compensation if flight cancelled 15 days or more before departure. 1500km to 3500km range entitles to €400 compensation. Handy map with 1500km and 3500km zones
blasdepartures to palcsaky
18 Sep 17#87
Hey man, could you please let me know how did you do that map? i want to check from different cities! thanks
Speedbirdjw to blasdepartures
18 Sep 17#88
I'd suggest using this for great circle distances between whatever airports you're travelling between
We're due to fly to Ibiza in October, going by this website gcmap.com/ that i I believe is how flight distance are mapped, Edinburgh- Ibiza is just over 1900km
vulcanproject
18 Sep 17#30
It's gonna be great when Ryanair fully book flights because of this and absolutely nobody turns up to go on them :joy:
Arron.Levek
18 Sep 17#33
you have to be on alternative flight when yours get cancelled to get compensation. happend to me in a past, chose not yo fly the next day and all i got was refund for the tickets. otherwise could of got night in hotel, free meal and flight next morning plus 250€ conpe
kneale81 to Arron.Levek
18 Sep 17#98
Wrong, seems like you missed out on the compensation you were due!
FamGuy
18 Sep 17#34
Good luck folks! Tickets at the ready!
bbc.co.uk/new…931 Do we get double dips on a return flight? Booking confirmed. I don't even know where Dinard is but it sounds as cheap as the £7.99 ticket.
garethcollins925 to FamGuy
18 Sep 17#39
Dinard is in Brittany in northwestern France
elbs
18 Sep 17#36
so you want to give ryanair your money willingly, for a tiny chance at compensation which even if happened is itself an adminstrative nightmare to get and one they may manage to wriggle out of.
one for people with more time/money than sense, this 'idea'. cold IMO
FamGuy to elbs
18 Sep 17#42
Paypal buyer's guarantee ;-)
themachman
18 Sep 17#37
What are you waffling on about? :astonished:
hadyanth to themachman
18 Sep 17#96
Just another babbling curtain twitcher.
OB1
18 Sep 17#38
Brilliqnt SPOOF post OP. Great to highlight Ryanair's behaviour.
I fear some people are taking your idea seriously though....
emperordalek
18 Sep 17#40
If we do this they'll be cancelling flights because no one turned up!
W1zz
18 Sep 17#43
Prices increase as more seats on a flight are sold. So you'd be bumping up the price for legitimate travellers.
othen
18 Sep 17#44
How daft!
bojangles
18 Sep 17#45
no win no fee lawyers are going to busy.... Ryan Air are a company that really drag out. Just go do some research.
gavin1 to bojangles
18 Sep 17#58
As someone who had to use these type of layers to get compensation from Ryan air for a flight delayed 5 hours I can tell you it will be an uphill struggle.
Ryanair will ignore compensation requests, and even the no win layers letters too, right until they get the summons.
We used Botts & Co if you want to use someone, yes they take about a third but given RyanAir were not going to pay us anything at least they got results where as I would have got nothing.
rmboss to bojangles
18 Sep 17#133
I can guarantee you that there is no lawyer who gonna take this case. Say you compo will be between 250-400 euro. Their charge is round 25 % so do you realy think solicitor will take this case for 50-90 quid ? Hahahah
upset.brown.pant to rmboss
18 Sep 17#134
there are firms out there who specialise in these claims, on what are fairly fixed amounts and clear cut cases. automated template letters are a thing you know.
so yes.
Spark to rmboss
18 Sep 17#135
Probably yes. It's an easy win for them. There are already tons of crap law firms who chase people to claim for travel delays via them rather than directly so they can take a cut. A lot use people who have UK qualified solicitor status but are based in India and the likes.
rmboss to Spark
18 Sep 17#137
Good solicitor hourly rate is like 400-500 quid. I can't see they will be interested in earning 100 quid for something stupid like this !
Anyway to all who think about do this to earn some money from compo with no intention to fly:
Get yourself a JOB !
luvsadealdealdeal to rmboss
18 Sep 17#138
rubbish - a company such as Bott & Co specialises in this type of claim, taking a third of the compo
lawyer's time is probably 15 mins per claim & can be delegated to very junior staff - unqualified staff - with a lawyer's signature added at the end
Spark to rmboss
18 Sep 17#139
I didn't say they needed to be "good" solicitors. They just need to have passed the bar exam (or whatever the UK equivalent of that is, I've never looked). In the age of online learning, that can be done from anywhere and when you're working out of a call centre/off shore office in Mumbai, 90 quid is a decent amount for a small amount of effort.
dunkertruck to rmboss
18 Sep 17#158
You cannot guarantee something you have no idea about.
Bott & Co settled my compensation claim and this is from their letter they sent me
"What happens next...?
It can take up to 42 days to receive the payment from the airline. It can then take around 14 days for us to process this payment and deduct our fees of 25 Euros per passenger + 27% of the compensation amount depending on what method the airline choose to pay us."
So yes they will and do take on these cases.
bojangles to rmboss
18 Sep 17#168
yes, because they also apply for costs to the court. Or do you not know how these no win no fee lawyers work?
rmboss to bojangles
18 Sep 17#195
No win no fee lawyers do not apply for costs to the court. They cover costs themselves - that been changed ages ago.
FamGuy to rmboss
18 Sep 17#185
It's where all the brexit remoaners live
psychobitchfromhell
18 Sep 17#46
Sometimes the depths people will sink to is beyond me. It is the insurance all airlines pay that will be footing the bill not Ryanair. Yes maybe their insurance premiums may go up next year, I don't know how that works, but you are paying these premiums anyway by buying flights you never intend to take. If the flight does run, they can sell your seat on standby and get paid twice. Do you think Ryanair are going to absorb this cost? Of course they won't, they will pass it on in increased fares. People trying to make money out of a cynical ploy like this disgust me. Just think of how you would feel if your trip had been ruined
spenspuma to psychobitchfromhell
18 Sep 17#50
Paragraphs?
psychobitchfromhell to spenspuma
18 Sep 17#51
I know what a paragraph is,what is your point?
KonsumerKing to spenspuma
18 Sep 17#119
Snob !
Dalkirst to psychobitchfromhell
18 Sep 17#52
Yep I have flights to Majorca next week,they haven't emailed me so hopefully I'm ok but it will mean loss of hotel, transfer and airport parking etc. Not funny for those of us already booked with them.
psychobitchfromhell to Dalkirst
18 Sep 17#53
Fingers crossed. It is about people getting away for a break or to see family etc rather than some idiots trying to make a quick buck.
I know what a paragraph is,what is your point?
W1zz to Dalkirst
18 Sep 17#55
Similar. Suppose to be flying out Ibiza next Tuesday.
Yeah saved that page already. My flights next Tuesday and the same flight tomorrow is ok so should be alright.
118luke to psychobitchfromhell
18 Sep 17#82
Couldn't you just have ranted at Ryanair instead? Would have been better for them not to cancel the flights in the first place! Sham way to run a company
psychobitchfromhell to 118luke
18 Sep 17#84
Ryanair are awful but my rant is about people trying to make a profit out of this situation. Little better than crash for cash
DealJourno to psychobitchfromhell
18 Sep 17#180
I think this sort of stuff is common in Britain.
psychobitchfromhell to DealJourno
18 Sep 17#198
Depressing innit ?
yeboi
18 Sep 17#47
I am up for this. Sounds funny enough to have a punt.
If yours gets cancelled please comment on here :grin:
Predikuesi
18 Sep 17#48
Are you sure that Michael O'Leary didn't start this to rob you
spenspuma
18 Sep 17#49
Paragraphs?
adeljay92
18 Sep 17#54
:joy: :joy: :joy: great lottery
sydney871
18 Sep 17#56
I don't think as a company Ryanair will be stupid enough to offer cheap flights for less than a tenner and then cancel them.
ezzer72
18 Sep 17#57
A 70" what, garden?
TH71
18 Sep 17#59
So there is a lack of pilots due to their holidays. Reminds me of this scene
m5rcc
18 Sep 17#60
National Lottery: tax on hope Ryanair: tax on greed
TehJumpingJawa to m5rcc
18 Sep 17#72
More accurately, a Tax on the stupid.
m5rcc to TehJumpingJawa
18 Sep 17#76
I didn't want to go so low, but I concur...
as_xxl
18 Sep 17#61
:joy: :joy: :joy:
garethsmith72
18 Sep 17#62
How is this a deal??????
crazygoldfish
18 Sep 17#63
The peasant classes of hotukdeals will going bonkers over this
unholy
18 Sep 17#64
Claiming for cancelled flights is a nightmare so I rather not! These airlines will find loopholes so they won't need to pay.
Uilleam17
18 Sep 17#66
I posted this on the other Ryanair deal too
smokedsausage
18 Sep 17#68
This will be better odds than the lottery cabin crew sell on-board. Less annoying too
jwsmith300
18 Sep 17#69
The airline is also required to pay cash compensation as described below, unless one of the following conditions applies:
the airline notifies the passengers at least two weeks prior to departure the airline notifies the passengers between one and two weeks prior to departure, and re-routes passengers so that they can: depart no more than two hours earlier than scheduled, and arrive no more than four hours later than scheduled the airline notifies the passengers less than one week prior to departure, and re-routes passengers so that they can: depart no more than one hour earlier than scheduled, and arrive no more than two hours later than scheduled
hemp
18 Sep 17#70
Can someone tell me what happens to my airport parking when I get stranded extra 2 days abroad ? Thanks
m5rcc to hemp
18 Sep 17#77
Airline should cover it. Otherwise, your travel insurance does.
bojangles to m5rcc
18 Sep 17#128
Airline will not cover it. Travel Insurance does. Ive been down that route after missing a pre-booked train & having to fork out for new tickets.
m5rcc to bojangles
18 Sep 17#131
I said should, not will.
Master.G to hemp
18 Sep 17#103
Your car is towed away and crushed ...... true story.
jinkssick
18 Sep 17#71
Made the deal cold by mistake, do not know how to backtrack to press hot.
The worst part about this situation is Ryanair telling people YOU HAVE 2 OPTIONS. 1) Refund 2) Change of flight. But no mention unless you look when you dwelve in the T&Cs that of course you are entitled to EU compensation. Absolutely disgusting.
bengalknights
18 Sep 17#74
Be surprised if a load of bookies arent getting in on this :laughing:
m5rcc to bengalknights
18 Sep 17#79
No - they have enough mugs on their books.
tony211166
18 Sep 17#75
Can't stand this mentality. If everyone did this, Flights would be through the roof. Just be honest & fair instead of greedy.
118luke to tony211166
18 Sep 17#86
Should post that on Ryanair's twitter feed, not here
Andyfostph
18 Sep 17#80
well because every one has now booked a seat on the cheapest flights they will all be full and ryanair will assume the plane will be full so no need to cancel well done more money for nothing to ryanair
118luke
18 Sep 17#81
You must be the BBC's best friend. Brainwashed down to a tee.
schnide to 118luke
18 Sep 17#106
I think you mean The Sun, The Mail and Daily Express readers.
Speedbirdjw
18 Sep 17#83
What fool thinks this is a good idea? You'd pay £10 for a ticket with a 2% chance of winning less than £230!? You may as well just put £10 on a number of a roulette wheel and win £350 potentially and with better odds at 35 to 1. COLD!!
coathanger to Speedbirdjw
18 Sep 17#102
Ryanair should do exactly that with all the fool's whose money buying into this.
vtec
18 Sep 17#85
Stupid unless you actually are going to be traveling
dbobs
18 Sep 17#89
Strange the amount of people of here who have a grievance with Ryanair but are keen to line their pockets. Do you think Ryanair will object to you guys paying for seats that wont be used? You're helping them meet their 'flights from 9.99' advertising commitment, whilst the poor family who actually want to buy cheap flights to holiday or visit family will be left with the £100+ tickets per seat. Absolutely selfish, short sighted, greedy and a waste of money. Buy a scratchcard if you're that desperate for a gamble.
pete1993
18 Sep 17#90
If they're cancelling 50/60 flights a day for the next 6 weeks, how do we know whether they've already cancelled the 50/60 flights for every day of those 6 weeks and we'd just be buying flights for those that are not going to be cancelled?
majortom
18 Sep 17#92
What I fail to understand is how a company like Ryanair became Europe's largest airline! The airline is the pits - it really doesn't care a hoot about anything, especially customers and service.
Dalkirst to majortom
18 Sep 17#93
Because people, myself included,are only interested in the cheapest fare
Spark to majortom
18 Sep 17#108
I agree completely. I last flew with them back in 2014 and just won't entertain them as an option anymore. No amount of savings is worth it for the hassle, humiliation and risks that you have to endure IMHO.
jammiev
18 Sep 17#94
how do you claim? do you need holiday insurance? thanks
ianhalling
18 Sep 17#95
Good luck getting the EU compensation when we're supposed to be leaving the EU - I expect EU airline compensation will be the next Brexit casualty ... :thinking:
jimbo23 to ianhalling
18 Sep 17#114
Says your crystal ball!?
upset.brown.pant to jimbo23
18 Sep 17#122
leave voter detected
M1LFHunter to upset.brown.pant
18 Sep 17#127
Remain voter detected.
jimbo23 to upset.brown.pant
18 Sep 17#150
"L"....
ladi100
18 Sep 17#97
So I bought my tickets to Barcelona a few weeks ago. Flights were supposed to be this morning (0810). But got cancelled on Friday at 1645 The next available flight was 1645 (on the same day (Monday). And they were trying to charge me extra for it. So I booked flights that arrived on Saturday with a different airline and extended the hotel for 2 days.
It's cost me an arm and a leg. How do I get any of it back???????
Anyone clued up on this?
m5rcc to ladi100
18 Sep 17#100
Travel insurance?
Regprentice
18 Sep 17#99
For this to work your flight will ahve to be in the next 6 weeks (as ryanair have said this is a 6 excercise and will stop once the winter schedules kick in in november.
If your flight is cancelled more than 2 weeks in advance you will not receive compensation only a refund.
Do we even know if they are still cancelling flights, or have all flights over the next 6 weeks that require cancellation already been cancelled.
terriclarkfan
18 Sep 17#101
The RyanAir administration fee for giving you your compensation will miraculously be the same as the compensation itself.
elbs
18 Sep 17#104
It really goes against simple decency (and good sense) to engage in behaviour like this. Cold.
Cmon people you're better than this
johngebreadman
18 Sep 17#107
Managed to get some flights for some dates in November, wanted to go to Stockholm twice and they were both £20 return flights.
If they end up getting cancelled I'm pretty sure I can take that on the chin, this attitude of people trying to get money for nothing is pretty grim tbh. If they offer suitable alternative times great, if not as long as I'm notified in time not the end of the world.
Psychotext
18 Sep 17#109
This is brilliant. Fair play. :grin:
JPS
18 Sep 17#111
This is very funny, have some heat :joy:
ssc1
18 Sep 17#112
clever cloggs!
Dude1971
18 Sep 17#116
Worst deal ever. Cold.
Rumbata
18 Sep 17#118
very helpful thanks
samspud
18 Sep 17#123
Stupid listing after hot votes - you'll only get compensation if your flight is due within 14 days. And I doubt anything this close will be cancelled as they won't list them. All you'll get back is your original payment
chamelion
18 Sep 17#125
I can see Ryanair's press statement tomorrow: "Our loyal customers are overjoyed by our announcement to focus on timely flights - so much so that we have seen a 200% rise in ticket sales in the past 24 hours."
M1LFHunter
18 Sep 17#126
O'Leary will worm his Irish ass out of it somehow, then you'll end up losing your money, tools.
stuartc73
18 Sep 17#129
They've been doing this for years. I had a flight from Edinburgh in 2009 that was moved from an afternoon flight to a morning flight. It actually worked in my favour as it meant I didn't have to traipse luggage around Edinburgh with me after an early checkout. The other time flying from Bournemouth to Alicante they moved the flight several hours forward on a Friday meaning I had to take an extra day off work. Rip off scheming bar stewards too. Best avoided like the plague.
raverbabey
18 Sep 17#130
Is anyone doing this. What flight should I buy on the cheap! Doesn't have to be a return and before the 20th sep x
Strachan01
18 Sep 17#136
worth a punt!
karl71bailey
18 Sep 17#140
My experience with claiming compensation with easyjet was very smooth and hassle free both occasions resulting in +£1000 worth but after reading this in the guardian I'm not so keen Can I take Ryanair to court for my losses?Good luck with that. While EU rules give passengers some compensation rights, they also allow Ryanair to domicile its business in Ireland and demand that any legal case go through the Irish courts. “Ryanair argues that the Irish courts have exclusive jurisdiction. We simply can’t issue court proceedings against them in England,” says Benson.
Affected passengers could try the Irish small claims court, or the European small claims procedure. But the latter is extremely risky; if you lose, you will have to pay Ryanair’s costs, which could be very large.
Spark to karl71bailey
18 Sep 17#142
I agree. Going after a company with the legal book when that same company has learned the book back to front so they can exploit it in every way imaginable is just dooming yourself to failure.
TehJumpingJawa
18 Sep 17#143
Doesn't make them any less stupid.
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#144
Asolicitor’s firm has said it is considering whether to appeal a judge’s decision about passenger compensation granted in favour of low-cost airline Ryanair.
The carrier’s policy surrounding EU 261 claims - the legislation under which passengers can claim compensation for delayed flights - states that anyone from the UK using a claims management firm to pursue payment must take their case through an Irish court.
Hughes Walker, which acted for claimant Amelia Menditta in the case against the Irish carrier, argued Ryanair was unusual among major airlines serving the UK in being able to exclude the jurisdiction of UK courts in claims disputes and that claimants would likely be put off because of the logistics of bringing a case in Ireland from the UK.
The judge in the case, Graham Wood QC, ruled in favour of the airline because he argued English passengers could use the small claims procedure in Ireland as a less expensive and more accessible means to claim compensation.
After suffering the defeat at Liverpool County Court, Hughes Walker said it would “carefully consider” the judgment with its client and decide in the three-week deadline it has over whether to appeal.
Although the law firm lost the case, it said the judge gave its client the permission to make a rare “leapfrog” appeal directly to the Court of Appeal, bypassing the High Court.
Ryanair said the stipulation in its terms and conditions that cases involving UK claims firms be heard in Irish courts had been in place since 2010 and was there “solely to protect consumers and force UK claims chasers to discontinue their abusive practices of charging consumers up to 50pc of their compensation payment”.
The airline said a UK customer could use the UK courts system in the event a claim they had made directly to the carrier was rejected.
Ryanair said customers claiming compensation directly would get 100pc of their entitlement.
Hughes Walker said it disagreed with Ryanair’s assertion solicitors provided no useful service in such claims, adding the airline had initially failed to pay compensation it owed to Miss Menditta and other passengers on the same flight.
The solicitors firm added the airline had several years ago famously defended all the way to the European Court a claim of €1,129 (£983) by Denise McDonagh.
The most recent case hinged on complex European legislation, with the judge having to decide whether Ryanair’s clause in its terms and conditions superseded consumer protection laws known as the Brussels Regulations and whether, if it did, it was an ‘unfair term’ under the European Directive on Unfair Contract Terms.
I had a dispute with Ryanair last year and was refused boarding at STN airport as FR claimed I was late at the gate ,I was not allowed on the flight and had to stay overnight and pay an extra fee to get on the next days flight. As I had been at the gate I disputed this with them and was Ignored
When I got home I emailed Ryanair on several occasions and had no success .
I then decided to take an action against them in the small claims court . This is a system which for a fee of €25.00 euro any European citizen can make a claim for up to €2000 euro if not happy with the goods or services provided , In this case I was suing Ryanair for non provision of my flight home .
Yesterday I had the great satisfaction of winning my case against them in court and was awarded 100% of what I asked for .
Before making claim you must have the following information
The company you are claiming against which is the company who sold you the ticket if you bought directly from the Rayanair website it is
Haven't read through all of the comments, but hopefully somebody has already pointed out this is not going to work :unamused:
For those saying things like "passengers are entitled to a refund AND compensation if they are due to arrive more than 3 to 4 hours after the original time", you are completely wrong. You get compensation based on the time you actually land, not the time you are due to land, whether it be on the original flight or an alternative one.
Ergo, if you don't board a flight, all you will get back is the cost of the ticket...after a very long wait...if at all.
luvsadealdealdeal to batvink
18 Sep 17#155
incorrect - if your flight is cancelled with fewer than 14 days' notice, you get both compo and a refund (or re-routing)
then if your re-routed flight suffers the same citcs (cancellation or delay over 3 hrs), you can claim a 2nd compo on that as well
I have return flights Ireland to the UK in October .. 2 adults and an infant, I hope its not cancelled to be honest lol
Nesima
18 Sep 17#154
I just bought 50 flights, took me nearly all @@@@dy day. But with 2% of flights being cancelled I think I have sure fire winner for compensation :-)
jackie_chan
18 Sep 17#156
why hot? how many of u who voted hot actually booked the flight?
reindeer333
18 Sep 17#157
Thanks purchased 5 flights.
#inittowinit
kingbal
18 Sep 17#159
Stupid post how can you call it a deal, see some other posts get taken down straight away for no apparent reason and yet something trying to fraud a company stays on excellent.
luvsadealdealdeal to kingbal
18 Sep 17#160
because it's funny & clever?
veedubjai to kingbal
18 Sep 17#161
HUKD is making a mint on folks like you & me hoping to click on that big red "Get Deal" button for their fees. You reckon HUKD have any corporate or social responsibilities? Talk about ethics. :laughing:
Spark to kingbal
18 Sep 17#163
People should try to "defraud" Ryanair as much as possible. They're one of the worst companies in the world and deserve everything they get.
luvsadealdealdeal to Spark
18 Sep 17#165
is that why their passenger numbers went up from 65 million pa to 130 million pa in about 8 years?
kingbal to Spark
18 Sep 17#166
You choose who you give your money too, they were the best company when people were getting deals on here for £3 return into europe etc.. don't hate the companies who are making money just because someone may not like you should they defraud you..
Spark to kingbal
18 Sep 17#167
No I never said they were the best company. I hate them and that's why I haven't used them in 3 years despite the potential savings. They're usually a false economy anyway IMHO.
chocci to Spark
18 Sep 17#169
You really think they would be selling tickets for £9.99 for flights they are going to cancel?
they are cancelling most flights at hubs that can offer alternative flights so they won't be liable for any compensation Eg Stanstead
Spark to chocci
18 Sep 17#170
Exactly. Even when they're screwing people over, they're going out of their way to cover their own arse and make sure nobody can extract any money out of them. Awful, awful company.
bojangles to Spark
18 Sep 17#172
I disagree. I love Ryan Air because if I want a flight. I only have to pay for a flight. If I want any extras, than I can choose to pay or not pay. Its a brilliant model that has worked. However people who dont understand it then moan because they roll up with a suitcase and told its to big for the cabin & needs to be checked, etc. Nothing is hidden. You want to board early, you can choose to pay to do that. you want to sit next to another traveller you booked with, well you can choose to pay to do that to. I just think of it as a bus with wings. Take my tablet full of media. Pair of Headphones & as long as cabin crew dont bother me, then I am a happy chappy.
Spark to bojangles
18 Sep 17#179
Oh I know how it works but the last time I checked no bus services charged me to sit next to my family or abused my senses with yellow on blue decoration and crappy phone card ads upon boarding.
You pay your money and take your choice at the end of the day though.
bojangles to Spark
18 Sep 17#184
exactly that. If you dont like it, dont fly with them. Personally happy not sitting with family. Usefull on the way back, as usually not talking to each other by then anyway :laughing:
Speedbirdjw to Spark
18 Sep 17#200
Who do you think they'll pass any losses onto..?
kingbal
18 Sep 17#162
clever maybe not from what people are saying,
funny it is but unfortunately there is no joke category on hukd :-)
Speedbirdjw
18 Sep 17#171
You may as well just say, buy a refundable ticket on every flight in one day for a particular airline and hope they cancel one. Most stupid post I've seen on HUKD for a long time
From_the_Midlands
18 Sep 17#173
Huge risk of losing that £9.99. had issue with KLM, it's been 10 years (5 years since I lodged written claim) and still haven't received compensation.
luvsadealdealdeal to From_the_Midlands
18 Sep 17#178
you needed to issue MCOL and it would have been sorted in a few weeks
roguesspam
18 Sep 17#174
I doubt they know which flights theyll cancel until they look at the profit per seat per flight and then bin off the lowest ones.
Surely the only reason anyone ever chooses ryanair is down to price or proximity to stanstead.
A full list of cancelled flights planned for the next 6 weeks is expected to be published today / tomorrow.
So if they've already identified the flights, you'd expect they'd have removed any option to book them. If they have, this (ambulance chasing), so called deal, has ended.
argosextra
18 Sep 17#182
What has the world come to paying money for cancellations I'm in!!!
antony1971
18 Sep 17#183
Wonder if there is a pattern to what flights they are cancelling
rmboss
18 Sep 17#186
I hope all of you genuine people with intention to fly and pre-booked holidays etc get all the compesation you deserve.
Im also hope that any of you who just bought ticket without intention to fly just as potential earn of miney from compesetion - will get fxxx all ! Also will be more then happy when each of you will be charged for fraud !
Like I said before - go and get JOB !
gowaway
18 Sep 17#187
Not worth the hassle as they will surely give you the chance of a rebooking.
Ripperoo
18 Sep 17#188
Excellent idea! :thumbsup:
Bought 10 to put on eBay. :laughing:
aroundapenny
18 Sep 17#189
shezrez8
18 Sep 17#190
Full list of cancelled flights is now on the website
Anyone else "won" yet? No joy for me (unless more are added). :disappointed:
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#211
see thread - I posted it
unfortunately for you the route is ex-UK
1. apply through RyanAir's internal claims procedures 2. if they reject it, go to small claims court ***IN IRELAND*** - not in itself difficult, just inconvenient
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#212
always worth asking the hotel if they will simply cancel the booking, given the circs
no travel insurance? (have you still got time to take some out?... :smile: )
vickyboy123
18 Sep 17#213
Below is from Guardian article. I wouldn't get your hopes up on this deal. You can bet your life they will do their best to avoid paying out. It is Ryanair after all. Cold for me
"If the flight is cancelled with more than two weeks’ notice, then Ryanair does not have to pay the EU compensation, and is only obliged to return the cost of the ticket.
If the flight is cancelled within seven to 14 days of the departure date, you are entitled to compensation unless Ryanair offers you re-routing that departs within two hours of the departure time."
ahenry
18 Sep 17#214
I had a Ryanair flight which was delayed by 3 hours 5 minutes last year. I made the initial claim through moneysavingexpert.com/tra…ays
Ryanair rejected my claim,
saying that the delay was only 3 hours. They use theretailombudsman.org.uk so I put in a claim through that site. Two weeks later, Ryanair accepted my claim and paid me €400.
Neither of these sites charged me anything. It took less than an hour to fill in the forms. Given the choice, I would have gone for an on-time flight, but the cash was good as a second best.
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#215
read the stuff first?
you can insist on being re-routed even if given more than 2 weeks' notice - and RyanAir has to put you up in a hotel with food & drink (if necessary) until you can take the re-routed flight
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#216
I'm very familiar with the tactics BA uses when faced with compo claims - and I assume RA is no different
BA will often lie, cheat and bluster several times, denying compo, when it is quite clear compo is due
I assume this works pretty well for them, as probably 90% of people drop out thinking they're out of luck
for those that insist, and even start MCOL, they pretty much always win & get compo, ie BA backs down and doesn't want the courts to set a precedent that will disadvantage them in future
theengelbert
18 Sep 17#217
This should not be a deal it's ridiculous
zidnrfhwvbytk
18 Sep 17#218
'Ryanair loses 140 pilots to Norwegian Air as travel chaos continues'
They have posted all the upcoming canx flight info. - so you can't book them.
antony1971
18 Sep 17#220
You contact the airline who pay direct- twitter DM is quite responsive. I just had €3000 from AA, Took them about 3 weeks but I'm happy.
johnnyd57uk
18 Sep 17#221
Michael O'Leary will never be remembered as a great Irish man. He is one of the biggest "sh..s" my country has ever produced. Along with Joyce and Walsh they will all go down in history as mean tight fisted megalomaniacs. I hope this fiasco drains another couple of bob out of O'Learys coffers. Pity those travellers stranded as a result.
rhinopaul
18 Sep 17#222
Wouldn't want you in my legal team then. Missing out vital info :
As per the government website :
Cancelling an opt-out agreement You can cancel your opt-out agreement whenever you want - even if it’s part of your employment contract.
You must give your employer at least 7 days’ notice. You may have to give more notice (up to 3 months) if you have a written opt-out agreement.
Sabconth
18 Sep 17#223
Locked in my flight.
I had no idea you could even get flights for £10...
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#224
nah, no sympathy! they stole my bike when I was a kid :smile:
isaha1
18 Sep 17#225
If your flight has been cancelled or delayed more than 3 hours (on arrival) and is caused by reasons within the control of Ryanair you may be entitled to compensation.
When its time to come down hard, come down hard; youre bag is a it hard to slide;that will be £200 to you; you need to do a print; its gonna costa biigggg
amitjajoo
18 Sep 17#227
My outbound flight for Friday morning is cancelled. If i now decide not to go and cancel the return journey as well, Can I still claim compensation since I had to cancel the trip due to them cancelling my outbound flight? Any ideas? They are offering the alternative flights price for which has now gone through the roof and it will arrive 10 hrs later than original scheduled flight.
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#228
is it 1 booking or 2?
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#229
hang on, if they are re-routing you the price won't change
what do you mean - they are offering you an alternative flight at a higher price?
amitjajoo
18 Sep 17#230
Hi,
Booked both journeys under the same booking for myself and missus. Also paid for choosing seats to sit together and stanstead parking in the same booking.
Thanks
amitjajoo
18 Sep 17#231
Under the booking option they show the flight as cancelled and then give me 2 options, refund or change flight. When you try to change the flight, it shows the various dates and flights available on those dates with the prices which are obviously ridiculously high now. They are looking to sell these remaining seats at astronomical prices. Cant see any option to just choose the other flight without paying new fare plus the change fees. Also I would waste whole of Friday so thinking not to go at all.
amitjajoo
18 Sep 17#232
From the Ryanair website change flight option in my booking:
Change flight information:Flight change fees are charged per one way flight/per person and vary by season.In addition to these flight change fees, any price difference between the original fare paid and the new fare chosen is charged. Please note that if the fare/fees on the new flight is lower, no refund will be made.
Flight dates and times are changeable (subject to seat availability), such changes can be made up to 4 hours prior the scheduled flight departure time.
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#233
you can simply ask them to re-route you on the later flight out but at the same cost as the cancelled flight
you are being given short notice and are entitled to the compo - plus getting the re-routed flight at the same cost - if you wanted you could get free food and drink (not booze) whilst you wait at the airport for the re-routed flight out
sounds like their online systems are rubbish
amitjajoo
18 Sep 17#234
Thanks for your comments. Looks like no option but to call them tomorrow and see if they are happy to book me on another flight without any extra charges. The only other flight that day is 10 hrs later than original flight which means it reaches 10 hrs late as well and therefore hopefully I can press for compensation claims. However, since I waste all of Friday, I was looking to cancel the whole trip and see if I can claim for compensation.
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#235
it's not a question of 'if they're happy'
it's EU law
they MUST re-route you on another route to the same/ similar destination - if you insist - and duty of care means they must pay for your hotel/ food/ drink until they manage that
all obviously at no extra cost to you
luvsadealdealdeal
18 Sep 17#236
but yes - if you accept the cancellation, you qualify for full compo so might want to just take the money & go down the pub :smile:
amitjajoo
18 Sep 17#237
Hopefully, if I can make them pay the claim. Looking at the various comments, it seems it wont be easy. If i cancel the whole trip will only lose £7.50 for the parking cancellations admin charges but can claim compensation for 2 adults and can use the same to fund a trip another time :relaxed:
LogicalHarm
18 Sep 17#238
I am desperate to know who has actually done this :poop:
This is claims Britain and by looking at the heat it's getting I'd say quite a few I'll save my money and watch everyone else lose theirs
ade12000
18 Sep 17#241
What if its a double bluff, Ryanair say they are cancelling flights, people buy them in the hope of getting compensation, Ryanair cancels cancelling them, they keep all our money! 1-0 Mike
LotusJas
18 Sep 17#242
They might have listed cancelled flights - but these are only those known to be cancelled at present.
Knowing Ryanair, no one has any confidence there won't be more cancelled flights :grin:
It's almost certain more flights will be cancelled.
palcsaky
18 Sep 17#243
Ignore the prices. They will zero out later on when you click through to confirm the flight change.
marcusjt
18 Sep 17#244
See also which.co.uk/new…ts/ for more detailed info - it has a flight compensation tool as well.
amitjajoo
18 Sep 17#245
Cant even do that now as site is constantly crashing at each step :cry:
jrandrews72
18 Sep 17#246
So, the compensation....
You know it's an EU thing. EU Regulation 261/2004, to be precise.
This is an EU regulation. I repeat. An EU regulation.
It means it only exists because of the EU.
Passengers are only potentially entitled to that as a result of the EU.
This is the same EU you were told was making laws that limit our lives.
This is the same EU you were told was unfair.
This is the same EU you were told didn't care about you.
This is the same EU we need to Remain a part of.
Don't Leave. Remain. #ExitFromBrexit.
stevieshoes
18 Sep 17#247
The referendum was held in June 2016. Suck it up!
majdzinski1979
18 Sep 17#248
Super I have won one!!! F*****g b******s!! Is that one claim per booking or passenger?
rmboss
18 Sep 17#249
Makes me laugh that every single person here who actually try to make this fraud moaning about EU, vote yes for Brexit but now try to take something (not deserve) what is brought by the EU law !!!
Hypocritical British thinking !
rmboss
18 Sep 17#250
Person who start this deal should be sued by Ryanair and other airlines for intentionaly advertise fraud against them !
Don't you get it that compensetion is there for genuine ppl who deserve it ? Claim is not something what should make you earn money is there to pay for your loses and damages !
Shame on you !!!
dreamager
18 Sep 17#251
They're blaming it on the annual leave... what's the betting they're cancelling all the flights the staff are on for their holidays just to punsih them
dreamager
18 Sep 17#252
Everyone liking the deal voted for brexit? really? Citation needed
SpitTheDog
19 Sep 17#253
As an ex DWP worker it's interesting that you refer to some as scroungers. Is that the training talking or just your preferred language?
othen
19 Sep 17#254
This has been a very daft post, with lots of silly comments. I'm pleased to say that this comment is one of the few sensible ones Andyfostph.
luvsadealdealdeal
19 Sep 17#255
unlimited number of claims allowed! :smile:
bojangles
19 Sep 17#256
per passenger. Now have fun claiming it back. There is a big thread on that website designed to help you saving money by an expert. These budget airlines dont respond in the hope you go away. As Ryan Air has no UK registered address, it all gets dealt with through the Irish courts. Then if you win, Ryan Air still dont pay out & you will need to instruct the equivelent of an irish bailiff.
liverpoolgirl4711
19 Sep 17#257
I think I was quoting the person I was replying to. If not, I used the word because that is what benefit cheats are commonly called these days. When I worked for DWP (from 1985 to 2008) we used to call them 'fraudys'. This is because they had been (or should have been) reported to the Fraud department. Sadly I am no longer able to work and claim benefits myself. However, I saw my job decline over the years from doing everything we could to help the claimants/customers to just ensuring all claims and post were processed in the quickest way possible just to be able to achieve our targets. I hated the job in the end because my training had always been to put the claimant/customer first and understand that they were people and we were dealing with a hugely relevant part of their lives. The job had changed beyond all recognition by the time I left. It got to the point that we got into trouble if we spent too long dealing with a case to try and ensure we paid everything which was due. We ended up having to prioritise our priorities! It's a sad and selfish world we live in now. Sorry, I rambled a bit there!
luvsadealdealdeal
19 Sep 17#258
I must admit that when I was a student many moons ago, it was perfectly legal to claim the dole in the 3 vacations and my student union circulated all the info required on how to do it
ISTR the trick was to sign up in your university town then move back to your home town (or tell them that!) so that they did it all by post (signing on etc)
they soon stopped that once we all caught on...
rmboss
19 Sep 17#259
Buying the ticket with no intention to fly just to wait for fly to be cancelled and then claimin for it is like buying car insurance and wait for accident to happen to make sure you can claim for injuries !
jrandrews72
19 Sep 17#260
One of my points was post brexit this could no longer happen. Its only because of EU law we can claim like this. Not everyone who voted leave fully understood the full impact. Get this deal while you can.
Rastafari
19 Sep 17#261
Of course you are correct. But here is the "Brexiteer" response to that comment:
dunkertruck
19 Sep 17#262
You seem like an angry person. First of all you're screaming at people to "go and get JOB". Maybe get a dictionary first and learn the word "compensation" before accusing people of not working for a living.
Secondly, I love how you "guaranteed" no solicitor would take on compensation claims yet completely ignored the many people who then commented back to you saying that of course they would.
It's like you live in a world of soup and only have a fork.
ahenry
19 Sep 17#263
You have to start by claiming to Ryanair, which is easy via resolver.com
If they don't accept your claim, you don't need to use courts and bailiffs. Ryanair are signed up an ombudsman. The URL for that has changed to aviationadr.org.uk/
They took 2 weeks to process my claim last year.
mak67uk
19 Sep 17#264
Surely they will not cancel any more flights since it was announced? They can't be that daft to allow this scam to work?
jimbo23
19 Sep 17#265
You realise that 'opt out' means you are wavering the 48 hour limit directive, allowing employers to make you work longer hours, right?
skizzers
19 Sep 17#266
BBC stated only 2 percent of passengers will be affected. So the odds of being affected are about 50/1 against. That makes 400 euros compensation poor value unless you can be sure of booking a cancelled flight or take the flight if it's unaffected. I think I'll leave this one for the gamblers.
bojangles
19 Sep 17#267
at least they are getting better. I got one open against Enter Air. Complete C's of a company. 2 years its dragged on for. They refuse to co-op with myself, the caa, etc. filed a claim with EU courts... so waiting for the outcome.
aje2010
19 Sep 17#268
This is SICK!!! Has society really dropped to this level. This is just totally shameful. If you have no morals or shame, surely there are lots of ways of earning £400. Now I'm going to get asked how. If you have to ask you probably don't have it, you probably will waste the money on booze, drugs or to feed some other addiction. Have some respect! PS I know it's Ryan Air, they are very unethical and do lots wrong but.......... anyways
rhinopaul
19 Sep 17#269
If you read my response correctly you would have realised, it allows you to opt back in.So go to the interview, waver the 48 hr directive then get the job and then opt back in.
Rastafari
19 Sep 17#270
yes blud. €400 for £9.99 outlay is well sick. Get on it like a car bonnet.
jimbo23
19 Sep 17#271
So essentially, its a nonsense directive, right?
hemp
19 Sep 17#272
Thankfully my flights weren't cancelled, I'm flying to see my mum who is 60 this year. £400 or £250 is a lot, but I would have lost so much money on airport parking and hotels as I booked 1 week for us in the mountains.
rhinopaul
19 Sep 17#273
No, its there to give you a choice . Employers will always discriminate if something isnt to their advantage, therefore you need to learn how to work around it at the right time. ie opt out to get the job then give them a letter stating you want to opt back in. Of course we shouldnt have to do it that way but thats life. Have you ever seen a council application form, it goes against the employment equality directive. It will ask age, religion and unbelievably sexual orientation.Its practices like this that make a mockery until someone can be bothered to take them to court over it.
Just to elaborate, the specific rule is that the flight must depart OR land at an EU airport. As such, once the world has gone up in smoke post Brexit, UK individuals could still undertake the exploit listed in this post, but would need to ensure the destination country was within the EU. This will simply limit the number of destinations in the >1500km brackets.
I wouldn't suggest the proposed deal (which incidentally appears to have been tongue in cheek from the outset) qualifies as fraud, as the flight was legitimately booked, paid for and cancelled. It is clearly against the spirit of the compensation ruling and morally bankrupt, but these people are not saying they incurred EUR€400 of damages (fraud), merely they are entitled to the one size fits all pre-determined compensation package (exploit).
Given that Ryanair have incurred this by exploiting their own regulations (cheaper to cancel flights and pay out set compensation to some customers than it is to honour those flights), Ryanair has acted in just the same calculated way. I am sure some passengers booked cheap flights months ago and non-refundable hotels etc, to now have to pay £000's to book a) last minute on b) a premium airline with c) additional / lost days from different flight times, which will erode in to that compensation.
luvsadealdealdeal
20 Sep 17#276
incorrect as basically the whole of EU acquis & directives are being incorporated into UK law
subsequent changes in law - that's different but there's simply no evidence that EU261 is going to be modified
batvink
20 Sep 17#277
Your correction is incorrect. Compensation for cancellations are still based on when your alternative flight lands. Otherwise you can claim only for the ticket price.
I am quite saddened by the reflection on the state of society in this thread. Playing a zero sum game is a step backwards in civilisation
simes
20 Sep 17#278
All current EU laws will be implemented into UK law before we leave - so stop trying to support your anti-brexit view. After we leave we will then be free to change any of the laws we wish to. I doubt removing this law would be a priority for the government ( though in reality it pushes up the price of flights , so is working against consumers )
Rastafari
20 Sep 17#279
When was this announced?
batvink
20 Sep 17#280
About 7 September, it was quite a big story. Before that, in 1539 when Henry VIII allowed parliaments to legislate by proclamation.
tanvir90
20 Sep 17#281
Anybody got cancellation email yet?
jrandrews72
20 Sep 17#282
Almost correct. Its the gov't s current will to convert all EU law into UK law but its not fully agreed yet. And as you sau gov't could change these laws.
SpeedyB79
20 Sep 17#283
Book Krakow to Liverpool. That route has had most cancellations so far. Best tip look for least used routes as they are being cut first!! :raised_hand:
KM4353
21 Sep 17#284
The return section of my flight was cancelled within 14 days, am I eligible for compensation? I did use the first portion of the ticket.
LotusJas
21 Sep 17#285
Pls see links in original post.
KM4353
21 Sep 17#286
Doesn't really say anything about only return flight being cancelled?
FMCHAOS
21 Sep 17#287
Wtf would u bother...the world's gone mad!
katestewart9279
22 Sep 17#288
This is mad. Im surprised its been allowed up. I can well imagine having to wait ages for compo.
Adopted_Scouser
27 Sep 17#289
Ryan Air to cancel 400,000 more bookings so one of you guys just might have hit a little fortune from this.
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Opening post
2/ Hope you get the cancellation email, and win compensation. I believe that is EUR 400, under EU rules :grin:
What to do if your flight is cancelled: bbc.co.uk/pro…nby
Latest info: bbc.co.uk/new…456
All comments (294)
Many disappointed Ryanair travellers have been told they will have to wait days for another flight.
Boss: We have too many flights delayed damaging our punctuality rating, what can we do about it? :rage:
Lackey: Well.....we can just cancel them altogether and then they aren't classed as delayed? :nerd:
Boss: GENIUS! :party:
Stansted ---> Grenoble - Wednesday 4th October @ 13:30
You got a source for that? Do you perhaps work in law? Or is this just something you've made up?
I got £600 from the BA screw-up a few months back thanks to this EU directive. The only reason it was delayed is because BA were dragging their heels, not because there was anything wrong with the directive.
Do you know of anything in UK law alone that would've got me this money? Not bl**dy likely my friend.
Lot's of directives littered with clauses. As an example - The working time directive (48 hour max working week), which also comes with an opt out that you pretty much have to sign at the interview stage of most jobs. If you don't, chances are next person whom does, will have a much better chance of getting said job.
There is no UK law on the matter because the EU law is currently in it's place. So, I can't answer that question.
Are you some kind of consipiracy theorist that thinks the UK government is out to get you?
The opt-out would more likely be when you sign the contract, wouldn't it? I'm not saying it doesn't happen - and this is purely anecdotal, but I don't ever remember ever having signed that at the interview stage. You'd have to provide stats on how many people haven't succeeded in a job application because of that opt-out. Otherwise, that's just anecdotal too.
Besides, that's not really a good example of most EU laws. How many laws, in any country, don't have clauses and conditions? That's how laws are supposed to work.
Either way, thanks to the directive on cancelled flights I got my compensation with only BA being the ones to delay - which was the original point and goes against what you're saying. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just paint an attractive picture of the benefits of this law which, for me at least, has done exactly what it's supposed to do.
They later tried to claim it was a joke, but...........
If you think 1 in every 40 flights are cancelled then you're mad.
Save your money and stop giving it away.
Ryanair are cancelling 50+ flights per day for the next 6 weeks so staff can have their holidays and their punctuality rates improve
You really couldn't make this up!
bbc.co.uk/new…931
bbc.co.uk/new…456
Many fools on here are genuinely buying tickets in the real belief there's the possibility of making money.
I'm politely pointing out the reality of the odds to those not used to gambling.
1500km to 3500km range entitles to €400 compensation.
Handy map with 1500km and 3500km zones
gcmap.com/
that i I believe is how flight distance are mapped, Edinburgh- Ibiza is just over 1900km
bbc.co.uk/new…931
Do we get double dips on a return flight?
Booking confirmed. I don't even know where Dinard is but it sounds as cheap as the £7.99 ticket.
one for people with more time/money than sense, this 'idea'. cold IMO
I fear some people are taking your idea seriously though....
Ryan Air are a company that really drag out. Just go do some research.
Ryanair will ignore compensation requests, and even the no win layers letters too, right until they get the summons.
We used Botts & Co if you want to use someone, yes they take about a third but given RyanAir were not going to pay us anything at least they got results where as I would have got nothing.
so yes.
Anyway to all who think about do this to earn some money from compo with no intention to fly:
Get yourself a JOB !
lawyer's time is probably 15 mins per claim & can be delegated to very junior staff - unqualified staff - with a lawyer's signature added at the end
Bott & Co settled my compensation claim and this is from their letter they sent me
"What happens next...?
It can take up to 42 days to receive the payment from the airline. It can then take around 14 days for us to process this payment and deduct our fees of 25 Euros per passenger + 27% of the compensation amount depending on what method the airline choose to pay us."
So yes they will and do take on these cases.
Or do you not know how these no win no fee lawyers work?
I know what a paragraph is,what is your point?
Keep an eye out on the cancelled flight info here
ryanair.com/gb/…ns7
If yours gets cancelled please comment on here :grin:
Ryanair: tax on greed
the airline notifies the passengers at least two weeks prior to departure
the airline notifies the passengers between one and two weeks prior to departure, and re-routes passengers so that they can:
depart no more than two hours earlier than scheduled, and
arrive no more than four hours later than scheduled
the airline notifies the passengers less than one week prior to departure, and re-routes passengers so that they can:
depart no more than one hour earlier than scheduled, and
arrive no more than two hours later than scheduled
Ive been down that route after missing a pre-booked train & having to fork out for new tickets.
The worst part about this situation is Ryanair telling people YOU HAVE 2 OPTIONS. 1) Refund 2) Change of flight. But no mention unless you look when you dwelve in the T&Cs that of course you are entitled to EU compensation. Absolutely disgusting.
If everyone did this, Flights would be through the roof.
Just be honest & fair instead of greedy.
well done more money for nothing to ryanair
The next available flight was 1645 (on the same day (Monday). And they were trying to charge me extra for it.
So I booked flights that arrived on Saturday with a different airline and extended the hotel for 2 days.
It's cost me an arm and a leg. How do I get any of it back???????
Anyone clued up on this?
If your flight is cancelled more than 2 weeks in advance you will not receive compensation only a refund.
Do we even know if they are still cancelling flights, or have all flights over the next 6 weeks that require cancellation already been cancelled.
Cmon people you're better than this
If they end up getting cancelled I'm pretty sure I can take that on the chin, this attitude of people trying to get money for nothing is pretty grim tbh. If they offer suitable alternative times great, if not as long as I'm notified in time not the end of the world.
The other time flying from Bournemouth to Alicante they moved the flight several hours forward on a Friday meaning I had to take an extra day off work.
Rip off scheming bar stewards too. Best avoided like the plague.
Affected passengers could try the Irish small claims court, or the European small claims procedure. But the latter is extremely risky; if you lose, you will have to pay Ryanair’s costs, which could be very large.
The carrier’s policy surrounding EU 261 claims - the legislation under which passengers can claim compensation for delayed flights - states that anyone from the UK using a claims management firm to pursue payment must take their case through an Irish court.
Hughes Walker, which acted for claimant Amelia Menditta in the case against the Irish carrier, argued Ryanair was unusual among major airlines serving the UK in being able to exclude the jurisdiction of UK courts in claims disputes and that claimants would likely be put off because of the logistics of bringing a case in Ireland from the UK.
The judge in the case, Graham Wood QC, ruled in favour of the airline because he argued English passengers could use the small claims procedure in Ireland as a less expensive and more accessible means to claim compensation.
After suffering the defeat at Liverpool County Court, Hughes Walker said it would “carefully consider” the judgment with its client and decide in the three-week deadline it has over whether to appeal.
The airline said a UK customer could use the UK courts system in the event a claim they had made directly to the carrier was rejected.
Ryanair said customers claiming compensation directly would get 100pc of their entitlement.
Hughes Walker said it disagreed with Ryanair’s assertion solicitors provided no useful service in such claims, adding the airline had initially failed to pay compensation it owed to Miss Menditta and other passengers on the same flight.
The solicitors firm added the airline had several years ago famously defended all the way to the European Court a claim of €1,129 (£983) by Denise McDonagh.
The most recent case hinged on complex European legislation, with the judge having to decide whether Ryanair’s clause in its terms and conditions superseded consumer protection laws known as the Brussels Regulations and whether, if it did, it was an ‘unfair term’ under the European Directive on Unfair Contract Terms.
When I got home I emailed Ryanair on several occasions and had no success .
I then decided to take an action against them in the small claims court . This is a system which for a fee of €25.00 euro any European citizen can make a claim for up to €2000 euro if not happy with the goods or services provided , In this case I was suing Ryanair for non provision of my flight home .
Yesterday I had the great satisfaction of winning my case against them in court and was awarded 100% of what I asked for .
Before making claim you must have the following information
The company you are claiming against which is the company who sold you the ticket if you bought directly from the Rayanair website it is
Ryanair Holdings Limited ,
Airside Business Park,
Swords,
Co. Dublin
Ireland
It is most important you have the right company number which is
249885
The address to post your application form to is
The Small claims office
Swords District Court
North st
Swords
Co Dublin
Ireland
If you are an Irish citizen this can all be done online at
courts.ie/courts.ie/…
Please remember that you have to attend the court on the date given and if you don't turn up the case will be thrown out .
If you are a European citizen you can find the claim form here and you do not have to appear but you should have a very strong case for claiming .
courts.ie/rules.nsf/…
These forms can be got in other European languages as well
select Ireland
For those saying things like "passengers are entitled to a refund AND compensation if they are due to arrive more than 3 to 4 hours after the original time", you are completely wrong. You get compensation based on the time you actually land, not the time you are due to land, whether it be on the original flight or an alternative one.
Ergo, if you don't board a flight, all you will get back is the cost of the ticket...after a very long wait...if at all.
then if your re-routed flight suffers the same citcs (cancellation or delay over 3 hrs), you can claim a 2nd compo on that as well
you need to read the cancellation pages
caa.co.uk/Pas…ly/
jk
But with 2% of flights being cancelled I think I have sure fire winner for compensation :-)
#inittowinit
just because someone may not like you should they defraud you..
they are cancelling most flights at hubs that can offer alternative flights so they won't be liable for any compensation Eg Stanstead
If I want any extras, than I can choose to pay or not pay. Its a brilliant model that has worked. However people who dont understand it then moan because they roll up with a suitcase and told its to big for the cabin & needs to be checked, etc.
Nothing is hidden. You want to board early, you can choose to pay to do that. you want to sit next to another traveller you booked with, well you can choose to pay to do that to. I just think of it as a bus with wings. Take my tablet full of media. Pair of Headphones & as long as cabin crew dont bother me, then I am a happy chappy.
You pay your money and take your choice at the end of the day though.
funny it is but unfortunately there is no joke category on hukd :-)
Surely the only reason anyone ever chooses ryanair is down to price or proximity to stanstead.
bbc.co.uk/new…603
So if they've already identified the flights, you'd expect they'd have removed any option to book them. If they have, this (ambulance chasing), so called deal, has ended.
Im also hope that any of you who just bought ticket without intention to fly just as potential earn of miney from compesetion - will get fxxx all ! Also will be more then happy when each of you will be charged for fraud !
Like I said before - go and get JOB !
Bought 10 to put on eBay. :laughing:
My Ibiza flight next week is all good. Phew
'I may not be a baddo
I sure hope I'm no maddo
but yes - I confess - I'm a complete effin saddo!'
Knowing Ryanair, who has any confidence there won't be more cancelled flights :grin:
How do I apply for the 250 euros compensation mentioned here?
bbc.co.uk/pro…nby
unfortunately for you the route is ex-UK
1. apply through RyanAir's internal claims procedures
2. if they reject it, go to small claims court ***IN IRELAND*** - not in itself difficult, just inconvenient
no travel insurance? (have you still got time to take some out?... :smile: )
"If the flight is cancelled with more than two weeks’ notice, then Ryanair does not have to pay the EU compensation, and is only obliged to return the cost of the ticket.
If the flight is cancelled within seven to 14 days of the departure date, you are entitled to compensation unless Ryanair offers you re-routing that departs within two hours of the departure time."
moneysavingexpert.com/tra…ays
Ryanair rejected my claim, saying that the delay was only 3 hours. They use theretailombudsman.org.uk so I put in a claim through that site. Two weeks later, Ryanair accepted my claim and paid me €400.
Neither of these sites charged me anything. It took less than an hour to fill in the forms. Given the choice, I would have gone for an on-time flight, but the cash was good as a second best.
you can insist on being re-routed even if given more than 2 weeks' notice - and RyanAir has to put you up in a hotel with food & drink (if necessary) until you can take the re-routed flight
BA will often lie, cheat and bluster several times, denying compo, when it is quite clear compo is due
I assume this works pretty well for them, as probably 90% of people drop out thinking they're out of luck
for those that insist, and even start MCOL, they pretty much always win & get compo, ie BA backs down and doesn't want the courts to set a precedent that will disadvantage them in future
independent.ie/bus…tml
As per the government website :
Cancelling an opt-out agreement
You can cancel your opt-out agreement whenever you want - even if it’s part of your employment contract.
You must give your employer at least 7 days’ notice. You may have to give more notice (up to 3 months) if you have a written opt-out agreement.
I had no idea you could even get flights for £10...
Here is the compensation form related to EU261 Disruption Compensation: contactform.ryanair.com/?cr…=78
They are offering the alternative flights price for which has now gone through the roof and it will arrive 10 hrs later than original scheduled flight.
what do you mean - they are offering you an alternative flight at a higher price?
Booked both journeys under the same booking for myself and missus. Also paid for choosing seats to sit together and stanstead parking in the same booking.
Thanks
Change flight information:Flight change fees are charged per one way flight/per person and vary by season.In addition to these flight change fees, any price difference between the original fare paid and the new fare chosen is charged. Please note that if the fare/fees on the new flight is lower, no refund will be made.
Flight dates and times are changeable (subject to seat availability), such changes can be made up to 4 hours prior the scheduled flight departure time.
you are being given short notice and are entitled to the compo - plus getting the re-routed flight at the same cost - if you wanted you could get free food and drink (not booze) whilst you wait at the airport for the re-routed flight out
sounds like their online systems are rubbish
it's EU law
they MUST re-route you on another route to the same/ similar destination - if you insist - and duty of care means they must pay for your hotel/ food/ drink until they manage that
all obviously at no extra cost to you
If i cancel the whole trip will only lose £7.50 for the parking cancellations admin charges but can claim compensation for 2 adults and can use the same to fund a trip another time :relaxed:
dailymail.co.uk/new…tml
I'll save my money and watch everyone else lose theirs
Knowing Ryanair, no one has any confidence there won't be more cancelled flights :grin:
It's almost certain more flights will be cancelled.
Hypocritical British thinking !
Don't you get it that compensetion is there for genuine ppl who deserve it ? Claim is not something what should make you earn money is there to pay for your loses and damages !
Shame on you !!!
Now have fun claiming it back. There is a big thread on that website designed to help you saving money by an expert.
These budget airlines dont respond in the hope you go away.
As Ryan Air has no UK registered address, it all gets dealt with through the Irish courts. Then if you win, Ryan Air still dont pay out & you will need to instruct the equivelent of an irish bailiff.
When I worked for DWP (from 1985 to 2008) we used to call them 'fraudys'. This is because they had been (or should have been) reported to the Fraud department.
Sadly I am no longer able to work and claim benefits myself. However, I saw my job decline over the years from doing everything we could to help the claimants/customers to just ensuring all claims and post were processed in the quickest way possible just to be able to achieve our targets.
I hated the job in the end because my training had always been to put the claimant/customer first and understand that they were people and we were dealing with a hugely relevant part of their lives. The job had changed beyond all recognition by the time I left. It got to the point that we got into trouble if we spent too long dealing with a case to try and ensure we paid everything which was due. We ended up having to prioritise our priorities! It's a sad and selfish world we live in now.
Sorry, I rambled a bit there!
ISTR the trick was to sign up in your university town then move back to your home town (or tell them that!) so that they did it all by post (signing on etc)
they soon stopped that once we all caught on...
Not everyone who voted leave fully understood the full impact.
Get this deal while you can.
Secondly, I love how you "guaranteed" no solicitor would take on compensation claims yet completely ignored the many people who then commented back to you saying that of course they would.
It's like you live in a world of soup and only have a fork.
If they don't accept your claim, you don't need to use courts and bailiffs. Ryanair are signed up an ombudsman. The URL for that has changed to aviationadr.org.uk/
They took 2 weeks to process my claim last year.
I think I'll leave this one for the gamblers.
I got one open against Enter Air. Complete C's of a company. 2 years its dragged on for. They refuse to co-op with myself, the caa, etc. filed a claim with EU courts... so waiting for the outcome.
Has society really dropped to this level. This is just totally shameful. If you have no morals or shame, surely there are lots of ways of earning £400. Now I'm going to get asked how. If you have to ask you probably don't have it, you probably will waste the money on booze, drugs or to feed some other addiction.
Have some respect!
PS I know it's Ryan Air, they are very unethical and do lots wrong but.......... anyways
Have you ever seen a council application form, it goes against the employment equality directive. It will ask age, religion and unbelievably sexual orientation.Its practices like this that make a mockery until someone can be bothered to take them to court over it.
hotukdeals.com/dea…875
I wouldn't suggest the proposed deal (which incidentally appears to have been tongue in cheek from the outset) qualifies as fraud, as the flight was legitimately booked, paid for and cancelled. It is clearly against the spirit of the compensation ruling and morally bankrupt, but these people are not saying they incurred EUR€400 of damages (fraud), merely they are entitled to the one size fits all pre-determined compensation package (exploit).
Given that Ryanair have incurred this by exploiting their own regulations (cheaper to cancel flights and pay out set compensation to some customers than it is to honour those flights), Ryanair has acted in just the same calculated way. I am sure some passengers booked cheap flights months ago and non-refundable hotels etc, to now have to pay £000's to book a) last minute on b) a premium airline with c) additional / lost days from different flight times, which will erode in to that compensation.
subsequent changes in law - that's different but there's simply no evidence that EU261 is going to be modified
I am quite saddened by the reflection on the state of society in this thread.
Playing a zero sum game is a step backwards in civilisation
After we leave we will then be free to change any of the laws we wish to. I doubt removing this law would be a priority for the government ( though in reality it pushes up the price of flights , so is working against consumers )
Its the gov't s current will to convert all EU law into UK law but its not fully agreed yet.
And as you sau gov't could change these laws.
Full article available at: telegraph.co.uk/new…gs/
I still didn't get anything.