Go behind enemy lines to forge your army, conquer Fortresses and dominate Mordor from within. Experience how the award-winning Nemesis System creates unique personal stories with every enemy and follower, and confront the full power of the Dark Lord Sauron and his Ringwraiths in this epic new story of Middle-earth.
In Middle-earth™: Shadow of War™, nothing will be forgotten.
23 comments
jaylovesit
27 Sep 17#1
Fantastic, I can now spend the rest on pay-to-win loot crates
catbeans to jaylovesit
27 Sep 17#3
It's not P2W if you can get everything in the crates in the game.
It's single player, single player can't be pay to win and you only need to crates if you wish to further your game quickly.
jaylovesit to catbeans
27 Sep 17#4
So its pay-to-beat-the-game-quicker?
catbeans to jaylovesit
27 Sep 17#6
Yes. some people want to play/complete games but cba to grind as they have a limited amount of play time due to work and other commitments, you also get in-game currency to spend on the crates if you really want them.
The only part I could see it effecting is the Ranked online where you build a fort and others attack it, in ranked mode your followers have perma-death, which sounds rubbish anyway and you can also play casual where your followers don't have perma-death. The kind of person to play ranked will be a grindy no lifer anyway, I don't see them dumping tonnes of money in and leaderboards are always scams anyway .
Latterman to catbeans
27 Sep 17#13
Have you not considered that the grind for regular players will be lengthened which will incentivise crate purchases? That is likely, and fundamentally changes the single player for the worse.
condracky to Latterman
27 Sep 17#15
Even if they don't lengthen the grind it's still pay2cheatcode which isn't great.
catbeans to Latterman
27 Sep 17#16
I dont know since its not out yet so why presume? It would be the first game i can think of thats like that if thats the case. Especially when the majority of stuff you can do in this games campaign appears to be completely optional anyway.
You get in game currency also to buy crates and the devs have already said you dont need to buy anything or even use the crates, the last game was a grind so i imagine this one will be aswell regardless.
I can't undestand people complaining about a feature that is completely optional :unamused: , simple answer is dont pay for anything.
Latterman to catbeans
27 Sep 17#17
You're right; until the game launches we won't know with any certainty.
In terms of those complaining, I think it's a case of you are either for or against loot crates in a game you've already paid for. Nobody is here to change another person's view on this, I just personally find it unacceptable and will vote with my wallet. Those who like the concept are ensuring (by purchasing the game and currency) there will be more games with this type of system in the future.
I hope you enjoy the game when it's out! :thumbsup:
catbeans to Latterman
27 Sep 17#19
im not pro-microtransactions/p2w, i never pay for anything, except for in one game which is free to play anyway and for the time i put into it i didnt see a problem dropping £20. I personally do not even like pre-scheduled DLC, season passes on release etc, developers expect you to pay full price for a game which isnt even complete then charge you £30 for the rest and alot of people are happy to do that. i even hate skin packs, mainly because they are always fugly.
I do vote with my wallet and if i feel a loot system is even slightly incidious in this game i wont be buying, the devs have said it wont be so i am happy to wait and see, that is the best i can do. However not playing a game purely because it has micro-transactions is OTT, they are the future unfortunatly and for every 3 people who will purposefully avoid a game there is 1 willing to dump a tonne of money into it. I wouldnt touch 2K with a barge pole, adversely GTA 5 is still adding great content thanks to micro transactions, the precedent was set years ago and now it is standard.
HoboHouseParty to catbeans
27 Sep 17#18
Because of the precedent it sets. There's been an insidious creep of micro transactions/loot boxes etc in full price games which many people find worrying. However "optional" they appear to be at first, if publishers think they can milk even more money from people you can be sure they'll find ways to make micro transactions more tempting - just look at NBA 2K18, its a full price game with a straight up mobile game economy. They made the single player such a grind that you practically have to spend more money to get your character to improve enough!
That system is in there purely because they thought they could get away with it, but thankfully there's a massive backlash against 2K for it so hopefully they won't try it again.
I'm not trying to change your opinion on it, just pointing out why so many people, myself included are against the practice. They seem optional now, but if more and more people just shrug and say "whatever, don't buy it" and accept them, then the more likely we'll see publishers pushing for them in games that simply shouldn't need them, or worse, purposely turning the game into more of a grindfest to make the micro transactions more tempting.
ahmed123 to jaylovesit
27 Sep 17#8
It is Pay to win as the game has a multiplayer ranked component which is similar to the Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain motherbase multiplayer.
ziggy93 to catbeans
28 Sep 17#20
And the reason micro transactions still exist... because people excuse them.
No game should come incomplete after paying a set price. DLC's are fine because it doesn't cost you £100s to get anywhere. It is a one off cost.
catbeans to ziggy93
28 Sep 17#21
Eh so you will pay an extra £30 day one for content that *mainly* already exists but voluntary micro-transactions are bad, doesn't really make sense does it?
They cost me nothing because I don't buy games that require them or buy them in games that have them :wink: . You are close to hitting the nail on the head though, "they still exist because people excuse them" , nope they still exist because people are willing to pay for them, so in a world where cash is king you not paying for them is pretty irrelevant.
ziggy93 to catbeans
28 Sep 17#23
To explain what I mean, for me I like a complete experience for a game, (perfectionism or whatever), so I would likely but DLCs in order to do so. (Assuming that the game it's not abusing of DLCs).
But with micro transactions, you pay to advance in the game, or you progress slowly, which ruins the balancing of the game. So there is no way to get a proper or complete gaming experience.
Plus there is no upper limit for micro transactions, unlike DLCs. So £100s.
powerbrick
27 Sep 17#2
Cheaper on cdkeys with code.
Giving this a wide birth after Jim Sterlings videos about disgusting single player micro transactions on a full price game.
jaylovesit to powerbrick
27 Sep 17#5
I wish Guru Larry didn't have so many ads on his videos
johnthehuman to powerbrick
27 Sep 17#10
"Disgusting"
LOL calm down.
powerbrick to johnthehuman
27 Sep 17#12
What would make you think I am not calm?
Macdory
27 Sep 17#7
Will be sub-£10 within a few months ... just like the original ... especially with crappy cash grab "pay for cheat codes wrapped up as crates" ...
rackey12
27 Sep 17#9
i would like this price on the xbox
licenced
27 Sep 17#11
Good price. I bought the first one very cheap months after release and enjoyed it a lot. Usually that would get me to pre-order a sequel, and I would have if not for the microtransactions. Am going to wait to see how it shakes out after release - watch a few reviews and see how in-your-face it is. If it can be completely ignored and there are no nag/reminder screens then I'll buy in a month or two. There's plenty else to play in the meantime
DonLeo17
27 Sep 17#14
Great price! I’ll wait for it to hit £3
SeraphXii
28 Sep 17#22
I won't tell you guys what to do with your money. But I'm not going to fund industry practices like this.
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Go behind enemy lines to forge your army, conquer Fortresses and dominate Mordor from within. Experience how the award-winning Nemesis System creates unique personal stories with every enemy and follower, and confront the full power of the Dark Lord Sauron and his Ringwraiths in this epic new story of Middle-earth.
In Middle-earth™: Shadow of War™, nothing will be forgotten.
23 comments
It's single player, single player can't be pay to win and you only need to crates if you wish to further your game quickly.
The only part I could see it effecting is the Ranked online where you build a fort and others attack it, in ranked mode your followers have perma-death, which sounds rubbish anyway and you can also play casual where your followers don't have perma-death. The kind of person to play ranked will be a grindy no lifer anyway, I don't see them dumping tonnes of money in and leaderboards are always scams anyway .
You get in game currency also to buy crates and the devs have already said you dont need to buy anything or even use the crates, the last game was a grind so i imagine this one will be aswell regardless.
I can't undestand people complaining about a feature that is completely optional :unamused: , simple answer is dont pay for anything.
In terms of those complaining, I think it's a case of you are either for or against loot crates in a game you've already paid for. Nobody is here to change another person's view on this, I just personally find it unacceptable and will vote with my wallet. Those who like the concept are ensuring (by purchasing the game and currency) there will be more games with this type of system in the future.
I hope you enjoy the game when it's out! :thumbsup:
im not pro-microtransactions/p2w, i never pay for anything, except for in one game which is free to play anyway and for the time i put into it i didnt see a problem dropping £20. I personally do not even like pre-scheduled DLC, season passes on release etc, developers expect you to pay full price for a game which isnt even complete then charge you £30 for the rest and alot of people are happy to do that. i even hate skin packs, mainly because they are always fugly.
I do vote with my wallet and if i feel a loot system is even slightly incidious in this game i wont be buying, the devs have said it wont be so i am happy to wait and see, that is the best i can do. However not playing a game purely because it has micro-transactions is OTT, they are the future unfortunatly and for every 3 people who will purposefully avoid a game there is 1 willing to dump a tonne of money into it. I wouldnt touch 2K with a barge pole, adversely GTA 5 is still adding great content thanks to micro transactions, the precedent was set years ago and now it is standard.
That system is in there purely because they thought they could get away with it, but thankfully there's a massive backlash against 2K for it so hopefully they won't try it again.
I'm not trying to change your opinion on it, just pointing out why so many people, myself included are against the practice. They seem optional now, but if more and more people just shrug and say "whatever, don't buy it" and accept them, then the more likely we'll see publishers pushing for them in games that simply shouldn't need them, or worse, purposely turning the game into more of a grindfest to make the micro transactions more tempting.
No game should come incomplete after paying a set price.
DLC's are fine because it doesn't cost you £100s to get anywhere. It is a one off cost.
They cost me nothing because I don't buy games that require them or buy them in games that have them :wink: . You are close to hitting the nail on the head though, "they still exist because people excuse them" , nope they still exist because people are willing to pay for them, so in a world where cash is king you not paying for them is pretty irrelevant.
But with micro transactions, you pay to advance in the game, or you progress slowly, which ruins the balancing of the game. So there is no way to get a proper or complete gaming experience.
Plus there is no upper limit for micro transactions, unlike DLCs. So £100s.
Giving this a wide birth after Jim Sterlings videos about disgusting single player micro transactions on a full price game.
LOL calm down.