The difference is huge

Just a little bit less for me and I'll bite !

Really great price, wish I'd known a few weeks ago they were going to put it down lol

I don't think Sony have anything to fear from the XOX. But I have been saying that I do feel Sony will announce a price drop off the PS4 Pro and Slim just before the XOX releases.

At least that is what am banking on as I want to buy a second Pro console. Ill be keeping an eye on the FIFA 18 Pro bundle. Still £399.99 at the moment. I wonder if they will drop the price for that.

aha no ps4 is selling well if you keep up with the reports

Was thinking of getting a PS4 Pro until someone mentioned the PS5 rumours to me, what's that all about???

Heat added by the way :grin:

why?

Killer deal. Thanks OP. Nearly ordered at £399.99 - but jumped on it at this price :grin:

:0 what will destiny 2 be worth trade-in on release day? I'm really liking this console design but zero interest in the game.. heated. Great deal.

Wish this was a bit more Destiny like the Taken King one (although after buying a pc to play destiny in THREE places maybe i dont lol)

Literally put my pre-order in at £399.99 last night so this is fantastic news. I'm also only interested in the console so I'm gonna flip the game/season pass on eBay day 1.

Don't pre order video games. The Pro has been £315 recently, so this is effectively £35 for an unreleased game. Cold.

So this is how bungie will inflate there sales of destiny 1.5. Decent deal otherwise.

This is the deal I've been waiting for. Especially as I've already preordered D2 digitally

I reckon they'll release a pro and death stranding bundle. That'll probably be when I bite.

Is this 1tb?

This is a great deal considering the content you get for the price, however:
- I'm not a fan of white consoles.
- the base game is on disc... I'm an 'all digital' guy now.
- I can't help feeling PS4 Pros will be sub £300 (possibly with a game) come November 7th(?) when XOX launches.
Heat hough

Gorgeous machine!, love it in the arctic white colour! - oh well.

So glad I made the jump from Xbox.
Now I'm enjoying Uncharted 1-5, The Last of Us remastered, Wipeout Omega Collection and Horizon Zero Dawn - all of which I couldn't get on xbox.

Heat added.

Once PS4 pro gets the RPM update, it will be more powerful than xb1x, so no ps5 for a good while yet

Coming from the free play ps3 days, what's the total cost with deals ETC with these and an Xbox equiv?

I have a 40" HDR TV. Is the jump up from my base PS4 so much of a difference, or am I just spending another £150 (after trade in) for the sake of it? I'm still not sure...

I wonder if Amazon will price match?

Yeah I'm just waiting on my budget loan to come through and I'll be buying one.
The max I could get just so happened to be £348 aswell :smile:

I thought the glacier whit PS4 Pro was a GAME exclusive?

It's not going to be more powerful though and not a single one of the reputable websites that have covered the topic have said it will be either. It might close the performance gap in specific instances in specific games where the developers have optimised for RPM, but that'll be it.

"This is important since with the feature now also available on PC with AMD’s RX Vega GPUs, more game developers could be encouraged to use Rapid Packed Math across the board, PlayStation 4 Pro included. It’s important to also note that this won’t be enough to completely close the performance gap with the Xbox One X since it’s simply too wide and FP16 operations cannot be used in every instance." - wccftech

"However, Horbury cautioned that although performance would be increased, he didn't think it would quite be doubled. This is because the overhead involved with splitting operations into two 16-bit floats would eat into the performance gains. It’s also important to note that this increased performance would only be available when 32-bits of precision are not required. Developers will also need to code for the new technology in order to take advantage of it. AMD has revealed that upcoming shooters Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus and Far Cry 5 will do so on PC, but it’s currently unclear how large the support base will be when it comes to the console. " - Techradar

RPM isn't a feature that needs to be enabled, it is already enabled, it is just that little to no current games have been developed to support it. You are talking about it as if it is a feature that Sony just turn on in a firmware update which in turn boosts performance across all games, which simply isn't true.

I own a PS4, Xbox One, and a Gaming PC so I'm not trying to take sides here, but saying the PS4 Pro is going to be more powerful than the Xbox One X specifically because of RPM is simply spreading misinformation.

Thank you @adamfairweather for posting this deal

Last month I placed a £20 pre-order with GAME for this bundle priced at £399.99, I went into store today to find out that this is an online exclusive

I had a feeling that it may of been so I placed this order last night as a contingency

The manager in store was happy to cancel my instore pre-order and refund me

This is truly a great deal, good spot mate :sunglasses:

I completely understand. I my self own a Pro and even though it's not a massive jump from the standard PS4. But I think it's worth while getting one if you do own a 4KTV. I don't know what games you play. But a fair few games have been improved thanks to the pro. The Division looks really nice in native 4K with a solid 30FPS. While on the OG PS4 I remember suffering from some FPS drops.

Hitman on the Pro is 1440p upscaled to 4K with an FPS of 50 - 60. While on the base PS4 its more like 35 -45. Dark Souls 3 is a target of 60FPS and 30 on the standard. I know it's not always 60FPS but it's much more enjoyable on the Pro imo. Destiny 2 beta looked incredible on the Pro. Only issue I have with both the Pro and XOX is the really poor CPU. If both went with a Ryzen based CPU then 30FPS games would of been a thing of the past.

As for the Switch yer I highly recommend getting one. It's a fun system to own.

There's no patch in the world (and it's not really a patch here, it's a feature that devs need to implement) that's going to double the power of a console overnight. When they talk about it narrowing the power gap, they mean narrowing marginally, not meeting or exceeding the XB1X power. That's not how all this works.

No worries, I was gonna go check in store too, to trade in the old console if the deal was the same. Won't need to now :thumbsup:

They are just rumours. Sony would be mad to release a new console before 2019. It would give 6years on the PS4, 3 years on the PS4 pro and leave the Xbox One X at only 2 years with no comeback. Sony have all of the cards.

The perfect way to play some 60 frames-per-second Destiny 2.

Expect PS5 around 2019/2020
(With finally a proper, next gen CPU, the main bottleneck this gen including Scorpio/Xbox One X has the bad weak Jaguar CPU.)

PS5 likely to use custom Ryzen CPU and the sorts, huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge improvement over Jaguar CPU.

It's 4K 30FPS on PS4 Pro, only PC is 60FPS.

Currently have the collectors edition of Destiny 2 preordered via Game.co.uk, I also don't have a 4K TV or Monitor but I'm still massively tempted by this.

If this was a grey or silver console I'd find it very difficult to pass by but it's not so I can and I will. Hmm as for the Switch, well I want a few more games I don't already have on my Wii U before I jump on board and I most definitely want a special edition silver or grey console, preferably bundled with a game and pro controller at a sensible price :blush: I know it's asking a lot but it's going to need something very persuasive from Nintendo for me to bite.

Heat given. Cracking price. Wanted to buy a white slim but this deal looks awesome.

I hear you man :thumbsup:

If you sit close then yes in my opinion. Often twice the resolution, better graphics settings and improved framerate, as well as 1TB. To me that's well worth the extra 150

Now, if I could get a Pro bundle with these games specifically, I'd jump on it. I'm just completely underwhelmed by the bundles on offer at the moment with the Pro. I've been swithering over buying one for a couple of months now. I had initially thought I'd get the XOX, but to be honest, I'm not that impressed with it, particularly since I already jumped from my original One to an S, and I don't really appreciate the quarter of an update the XOX is. That said, the Pro is nice, has a bit more power than the S, but it's not impressive enough to be worth the price tag attached, just for the 4K upgrade to the normal PS4.

This is a good deal, in terms of being able to sell the games and DLC on launch day and thus reducing the price of the console, but it's still not a good enough deal to tempt me into parting with the cash yet. Heat added though.

The PS4 Pro will not be more powerful than the X1 X. It has less Ram, bandwidth, CPU speed, and a GPU that is around 2 teraflops less powerful. This false news story about RPM is clickbait. It may improve the performance of some games on the Pro that are able to take advantage of it, but it won't be able to be used on every game, and devs might not want to code for it.

I can give get it for £315

PC is unlocked.

Where?

Most likely with staff discount, if this deal was available at John Lewis I'd get it for £308 with the 12% off electricals

I'm thinking of getting a PS4 for the sole purpose of playing FIFA. Will getting this version benefit me more from getting an older PS version just for playing FIFA?

Do i get this or build a pc?

From system architect Mark Cerny through Eurogamer and Digital Foundry said....

"One of the features appearing for the first time is the handling of 16-bit variables - its possible to perform two 16-bit operations at a time instead of one 32-bit operation. In other words, at full floats we have 4.2 teraflops, with half-floats its now double that, which is to say, 8.4 teraflops, for reference the Xbox One X has 6 teraflops of graphical performance.

You mention its false and clickbait then go on to say it may improve the performance of some games. Which one is it ?

Some dev saying in an interview to Gamespot that the Xbone X ain't as amazing as Phil Spencer et al initially made out to be but I still think it will have more oooomph inside than the Pro has.

I am not tech knowledgeable enough to make an 'informed' analysis and neither are the vast majority of consumers so in the age of fake news it's nailed on we're going to be force fed fake console spec claims by both competing parties.

Why is my post I just posted under review? :dizzy_face:

Interesting that you aren't linking to the source of this, probably because you are intentionally misrepresenting his quote? The actual quote is:

One of the features appearing for the first time is the handling of 16-bit variables - it's possible to perform two 16-bit operations at a time instead of one 32-bit operation," he says, confirming what we learned during our visit to VooFoo Studios to check out Mantis Burn Racing. "In other words, at full floats, we have 4.2 teraflops. With half-floats, it's now double that, which is to say, 8.4 teraflops in 16-bit computation. This has the potential to radically increase performance."

Note in the actual quote, he says that this has the potential to radically increase performance, and it would only do so in games that are specifically coded to use two 16-bit operations instead of one 32-bit operation.

In a game that is optimised to take advantage of RPM, there is the potential that the game could run at close to, or better than the Xbox One X version of the game. The vast majority of games will still use 32-bit operations (even some of the games that are optimised for two 16-bit operations will still require 32-bit operations, I highly doubt there will be ANY games that use solely 16-bit operations).

I don't think you really understand what RPM is, but either way the proof will be there once Far Cry 5 and Wolfenstein come out as those titles will feature RPM optimisations.

The only reason RPM is news-worthy at the moment is because the new Vega cards use RPM handling and the previous Polaris cards didn't. The PS4 has been capable of RPM since launch, but no developers have taken advantage of it, presumably due to the extra resources/time/cost needed to specifically optimise for RPM.

The reason websites are highlighting the release of Vega cards as being "important" to PS4 owners is because the theory is that if the Vega cards are succesfull and sell well, then more PC developers will want to specifically code for its unique features (such as RPM) and this will increase the likelihood of PS4 versions of such games having the same benefits.

Both. Some games may well be able to utilise it but may not actually get the support from the devs regardless of its potential. But for the games that do get the support (and hopefully they will) they will be still running on a 4 Teraflop system, but able to utilise twice as many computational commands 'like' an 8 Teraflop machine would (but not the same as). It means RPM has the potential to run more operations per teraflop because it splits the units in half. This can only be used on identical lower resource operations that that can run on half power, so it's not twice the power. For want of a better analogy, splitting a cake in two maybe better than one whole depending on how hungry the two people are, but one whole cake is better for someone who wants/needs the lot - in the same way you wouldn't say two half's are more than one whole (although maybe beneficial).

It's the same with upscaled/checkerboarded 4K, it's not the same as native 4K. Or that framerate interpolation at 30fps is the same as 60fps, both are good, but not the same as the full fat version. RPM is definitely a good thing don't get me wrong, but don't expect it to outperform a console with more power in every respect.
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Because I don't like any of those ageing IPs.... And even if I did I could play them at 4k 60fps on my (PC master-race) monster gaming rig.

Pros: gorgeous arctic white PS4 Pro currently an exclusive.

Cons: Game has just been bought by Mike Ashley - yes, he of Sports Direct. And who the hell wants to give that twat any of your money.

:kissing_heart:


So if you're such a superior blue eyed blonde haired PC specimen why did you even get an Xbone? Seems all rather odd to me and smells of Sony fanboyism to be honest.


Why would you have so much contempt for someone who has turned Newcastle United in to a bigger laughing stock than they already were? My goodness the fat so n so deserves a pat on the back for that, my life them jaw-dees ain't even proper Mackems are they :kissing_heart:

I never did get an Xbone, I never saw the point seeing as though they share their exclusives with Windows.
PC & Ps4 gets you the best of both worlds.

Ps: Have brown hair. :kissing_heart:

Never got an Xbox yet said this.....


"So glad I made the jump from Xbox.
Now I'm enjoying Uncharted 1-5, The Last of Us remastered, Wipeout Omega Collection and Horizon Zero Dawn - all of which I couldn't get on xbox."


Erm ok and yeah I have very brown hair, proud to be the son of an iron curtain era Eastern European refugee :thumbsup:

This is pretty funny. Xbox x also supports it I believe, or least a variant of it. It will not make the ps4 pro magically more powerful though...it's software not hardware. It will probably allow the pro to get 1 or 2 more FPS if it's used than it would have...it will still be lacking compared to the Xbox x. The Xbox x is £100 more for a reason...the pro is never going to out perform it. I know you won't come to accept that, but it's true and will be proven true.

Who cares about a small speed increase in cpu speed when you can't even play the great games listed above. I'm looking forward to the new Insomniac studio's Ps4 Spider-Man title, that's something Xbox owners will have to do without as it's a PS4 exclusive.

GF is going to kill me. not sure if it would be PS4 Pro showing up or me hiding in the gaming room at every free momment.
P.S PS4 update 5.0 is looking good. have a 1 extra code if anyone want to try it.

Microsoft did NOT take up this feature so the xbox one x will not support RPM.

As I said, I'm quite happy to stand corrected, but if you are talking potential then you have to take that into consideration for both consoles. I could have written my words more carefully by saying the ps4 pro will be more powerful into the ps4 pro has the potential to be more powerful. You wont have every xbox game taking up the full 4.2 teraflops of performance in every game, same as ps4 pro, but if a Sony made game, by Sony devs take full advantage of RPM then it could surpass 4.2 teraflops giving the ps4 pro the edge in that game.

As for your last section, how are you defining a consoles power ? by what framerates it pushes out ? its minimums ? Generally in consoles you normally measure by teraflops. I'm interested in what you think about that ?

You sound like a fanboy :persevere:

I hear what you're saying, but it's a misunderstanding of the technology - probably because of the deceptive way journalists write about this stuff. PS4 Pro cannot surpass 4.2 teraflops no matter what. That is it's computational limit, end of. In the same way Xbox One X cannot surpass 6TF. What PS4 can do with RPM is split certain computational tasks into half (for certain commands if they are identical, and of a low performance) but it is still 4.2TF even with RPM. This can help PS4 utilise more performance where applicable. This doesn't mean it is 8.4 TF, or the same as 8.4TF. It means it can potentially unlock more performance per TF under certain conditions.

And you're right, the achieved performance of a game is not directly comparable to the performance of the console. I was using it as an example to illustrate the notion that something 'like' something, is not the same as that something. So upscaled to 4K, or checkerboard 4K doesn't mean the same as 'true' 4K. I've heard some people say 30fps interpolated to 60fps 'is' the same as 60fps, it's not. So, PS4 at 4.2TF with RPM is still 4.2TF not 8.4TF! With any luck this this technique will yield some great results for us PS4 users, but back to the original topic, it will never be as powerful as Xbox One X - not that I think Xbox one X will be that amazing anyway mind you :wink:

Good explanation!

I've got the Pro, hopefully ordering XB1X this weekend, safer that way :P

Looks like it unfortunately. And with no other cashback around apart from a naff 1% Quidco its hardly worth it. There isnt even a NowTV pass this time that I can sell on :disappointed:


Definitely up for that if you still have it!

PM you the code. enjoy

I've decided I'm happy with my X1 and Pro for my console needs for now. It's enough performance to bridge the gap to PS5 or Xbox Two (or whatever they call it) I'd like a X1 X but I can't justify the spend. Apart from Forza which is amazing, I'm not really into any other Microsoft exclusive. Like others, I'm fully expecting a 11TF Zen based Vega SoC for next Gen, fully capable of native 4K 60fps high/ultra graphics settings - can't wait!

​lol.....Dont think so if so back up you quote

How much would the game and the season pass sell for on ebay then roughly? Ive no interest in this game so would sell to make console cheaper!

Went into my local store this weekend, Norwich, displaying on their digital display the price as being 349.99. Asked regarding if they were going to have any offers for trading in an old ps4, and they informed me there should be but couldn't confirm as it was to soon to say.

Can't wait for this to come out now :smile:

I just preordered in store (I thought it was an online exclusive) and cancelled the online preorder. I can now trade the old PS4 for instore credit to pay some of the balance which would be better than trading in for cash and putting toward the online order.

Oh, it's a pro. That makes sense....

You could trade in the ps4 for instore credit and put it on a gift card which you can then use online :smile:

Just a heads up as I found this out last month when I was getting ready to trade stuff in for this,GAME don't price match anymore. So might be worth seeing what the case value is at CEX for some things if you're going to trade them in. They offered me £50 quid for a limited edition 3ds, where as CEX offered me 70 cash. Just have a look around :smile:

Great deal - heat added! :grin:
I want to trade-in my 500GB PS4 to help pay for the PS4 Pro from GAME. Has anyone got any experience of console trade-ins with GAME? I'm just wondering how long I will be without a console for...? :worried:
I see the payment for the pre-ordered PS4 Pro will be taken around 7 days before the console is released - so how would I use the GAME gift voucher (for my old PS4) to help pay for the PS4 Pro? Unless I literally trade it in now, wait for the gift card to arrive, and THEN place the pre-order?

If you want your trolling to get some miracle grow you should have said "that's a free PS4 Pro courtesy of you taxpayers" rather than the government :unamused: better luck next tim

Depends on when you take it in, they said to me it will take 20-30 minutes to carry out testing (Make sure you factory reset to clear all the data and info, plus back up saved game data to your online storage)

Go instore and trade it in, ask for it to be instore credit and put on a gift card. Then purchase online using giftcard and cash. Then sit back and wait for it to come to the door, or in my case wait 30 minutes for testing to be done then get new console. Sell game back for instore credit if better than CEX cash (unlikely) then buy psn credit on cd keys and download the game along with everything else when I get in.

anyone know the price game offers for PS4 500GB (Standard) these days. I am guessing around £100

I thought about that but for some reason you can't use a gift card towards an online pre-order? I'll still see what Cex offer me though just incase.

The X is more powerful, and I will own both as always. But being objective, you always need to consider the games and if you want to play with friends, what platform they have. No point in buying the One X to play online with all your mates if they all own PS4s. There have been many times when a more powerful or advanced platform was not the one that came out on top. Betamax anyone? Or looking at consoles, Game Gear came out in 1991 in full colour, Game Boy Color wasn't released until 1998 yet the Game Boy from 1989 despite not even being in colour was the better performer. I'll skip the Dreamcast as the PS2 came out only a year later, but look at the original Xbox, that was quite a beast of a machine really, it came out in 2001, yet the PS2 from 2000 stayed ahead all the way through the generation. On the flipside, the PS3 was released in 2006, a year after the Xbox 360, but it took a long time for the PS3 to build up it's market shares and the learning curve for game development meant that for a long time games were built for Xbox first. The price jump for the PS3 just wasn't worth it at launch. Development learning curve isn't so bad any more as both consoles are based on PC architecture, but devs are always going to focus their investment into the greater market share.

So looking at games, first to consider is the exclusives, no point buying the One X if the exclusives someone wants are on PS4. Secondly is third party titles. If the exclusives alone can't help someone decide between the two, which platform runs third party titles better? And if it is the One X, are they that much better to justify the price jump? The thing to remember with third party titles is that the refinements made to improve things on the PS4 Pro and One X over the standard consoles may be pretty much the same, until the One X is highly adopted it makes little sense putting tens or hundreds of thousands into further refinements for a platform with a low market share.

Personally I own both Xbox One and PS4 and just bought the PS4 Pro to replace my PS4 in the recent Tesco deal which was the bundle that made it my biting point to upgrade. I'll likely wait until the new year for Xbox One X but I know I'll be buying it eventually.

I get the impression you will probably end up getting both consoles too and will decide your own time to buy them, but for someone considering between either the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X, or even which to get first, power is not the only thing to think about.

I had a Game Gear from about a year after it came out but I never bought a Game Boy till 98 at Gatwick Airport before jumping on the flight to our holiday in St Lucia though I totally make you right, the devotion of the Nintenuts has always trumped fan boys n girls of every other platform in gaming. Just look at how every Switch 'deal' at RRP goes tropically hot even now!

I got my first PS3 about 6 months in after the first significant price drop, it was the 60 gig phat boy with PS2 backward compatibility. Got it from Virgin Megastore with 3 games and an extra controller bundled in for about four n half I think. So more than a decade on weighing on the same sort of dough for the current state of the art console don't seem that steep at all.

You're right I will almost definitely get the Pro but not before there's a price drop I'll bite at and a colour/edition I want so I am prepared to be patient :thumbsup:

Awesome, many thanks for the info - I didn't realise I could take my old PS4 in to a Game store and get it tested the same day! :sunglasses:

FInally decided to buy it, using the credit i have for the trade in of my Xbox 1 and just found out they do not take gift card credit for pre order purchase :cry: . I only have to hope that tomorrow it will still be on the website (without the preorder) so that i can buy it with my credit..