Ordered, thank you. Which code came quickly. Now to remember to cancel...

Also,has anyone noticed Nvidia congratulating AMD on Threadripper twice:

wccftech.com/nvi…ck/

Even on their own website,Nvidia did a build with a Ryzen 7 1700X and a GTX1080TI:

geforce.com/wha…-ti

I think you're mistaken, no one is comparing it to piledriver here which is a terrible example as that was more cores but significantly weaker ones with shared resources which meant it struggled hard in most scenarios except for fully threaded ones. Zen here is actually really good, the single threaded performance is solid and only trailing Intel by a small margin yet they offer more cores which overall is better as you no longer need to decide between great single threaded performance or great multithreaded performance, you get both.

If you look at any benchmarks you will realise there is a difference between dual core, quadcore and above. The minimum fps tanks on dual cores and even quadcores, its an inconsistent mess on a lot of games even if the 'average' FPS is still reasonably high. the i7s from Intel provide a significant jump compared to the i5s and the R5/R7s also show this compared to the quadcore chips, its worth the premium now as most DX12 games have vastly improved multi threading performance out of the box.

Just a note that Unreal 4 engine is a terrible example, that engine is not very well threaded at this point in time however Vulkan for PC is due to be implemented in to the engine soon with the aims to improve the multi threaded performance by a significant margin so that will change shortly.

Most people dont just play a game, they can have their browser running in the background or a video stream sometimes which drastically impacts performance on quadcores, this doesnt impact as much (if at all) for the R7s due to having more resources available for this. Its hard to recommend an i5 now adays as its so limited, grab an AMD r5 1600 for <£180 (less than the normal i5) and you have a generally faster CPU in both gaming and compute scenarios.

'October is a month away and the 6 core mainstream intels is a big step change. The Zen refresh will be 4+ months after that and just that, a minor refresh'


See im all for waiting for the next thing but to downplay Zen+ is a bit silly, AMD have already said it will provide a minimum of 15% IPC improvement (removing all the single threaded deficit compared to Intel and then some) and it will clock higher... this is going to be a substantial improvement compared to what Intels Skylake was (+100mhz... no IPC improvement!). Coffeelake will bring improvements by having more cores yes but the clock speeds are already taking a hit due to this so the single threaded advantage is disappearing.

If you arent in a rush then sure its worth waiting to see how it actually pans out but you cant go wrong picking Ryzen now as the AM4 platform will be supported for a minimum of 2 more generations (3 years overall, minimum) so you wont have to pick up a new board if you decide to upgrade again for some reason, unlike Intel who at the moment are just retiring their current gen boards after just 8 months for a new socket which provides no significant reason for it!


If you are doing purely gaming its worth considering dropping to the R5 1600 though as that is still 6 cores 12 threads, its very competitive in games and there is a significant amount of room to grow while also costing less than the normal i5 thats recommended. £180 so you can spend the money saved towards the GPU which is generally the most common bottleneck on systems no adays!

Fortunately then the Ryzen are superb at single core and ahead of the vast majority of intel cpu.

You also happen to get twice the cores for half the price.

This 1700 can be easily over clocked to a 1800x. 3.8-3.9 on a reasonable cooler is a given.

Coffee lake still needs pricing. I am assuming the 'k' will still be required to overclock.

How quickly things move - only at the beginning of the year if you wanted a new consumer CPU with 8 cores and 16 threads,it would have cost you close to £1000 and needed £200 motherboards. Now for close to £250,and a £100 motherboard you can get a solid CPU with 8 cores and 16 threads,and most likely build a whole PC for the standard price of the Core i7 6900K!! :stuck_out_tongue:

Future gaming will see more cores being used. I remember a time when dual core cpu's were seen as unnecessary and now we live in a time when a quad core is necessary for gaming. Sure, single core IPC is very important but we are approaching the limits of silicon, so the only way to improve performance is to introduce multiple cores.
Even if the next i5 is better than Ryzen, I will still go with Ryzen. We've seen what happens when there is no competition, how many times did a new processor come from Intel to only have maybe 5-10% improvement in performance at a very high cost?

Come on AMD. Lets start the war again on CPU. Intel is having monopoly now

Is this for the chip?

I think we'll see gamed become far more able to use 8+ cores, driven by the fact that the chips themselves are now mainstream. Of course there is an overhead in multithread, but with proper coding, those extra cores can absolutely be used. No one would buy a single core CPU now, would they?

All others have mentioned, this 8core Ryzen still holds its own against Intel 4 core chips - just a few FPS difference. The GPU is far more important tbh. But in the future, I think there is a very good chance quad core will be seen as sub-standard.

Still using an Intel I7 920, I need something a lot better to update and clock speeds are not getting past 4Ghz barely due to heat.

More cores is the future but the software is complicated to write.

Including the 'which trial' as part of your deal is just wrong by the way.

That's not available to everyone, especially if you've already used it.
The price should be 277.97 with a 15 minus 1 quid opportunity.

The price is wrong anyway, it should be 263.97.



Please note: Once your trial comes to an end, your membership will continue at £10.75 a month.

This is one of those forget and charge trial services that pray on a large number of people forgetting to cancel in time.
Basically, it's not something everyone will want to do, and reducing the price is not really honest, as it isn't related to the CPU deal.

You can get this same processor, from Amazon, without going through the hassle.


amazon.co.uk/AMD…700


269.00 on Amazon, no hassle, or 263.97 with song and dance from an inferior etailer.

I think the 8 core Ryzen will still be a better processor long term than the new i5s. Games are only going to get more multi-core capable in the future, so 8 cores will be a bigger and bigger advantage over 4. The difference in FPS between this and the news i5s will be pretty small at the moment though.

Nice price, however if you after a CPU for gaming I'd consider waiting a few week if you can for coffee lake, the new i5 could be better and I doubt ryzen will get any dearer