Don't normally post deals I am considering , as they might sell out

That's the spirit brother.

cheaper here by £1000 -

http://www.newcardealer.co.uk/outright-purchase-cars/ford/focus-hatchback/10-ecoboost-125-zetec-edition-5dr-111552

Strange comment. The anti-ford mob are out in force today. Mustnt be any VW/Audi deals to masturbate over?

Don't talk ****

When buying a car new I don't care about it discounts etc all I look at is how much I can approximately get in 2-3 years, this is how I work out is a lease or purchase the best route. With regards to this deal if I could only get £10k in the 30 months regardless of the discount that is still £5k lost over the period, a lease of £6k of the same period will get a far better vehicle and less risk with resale, new model, monthly payment etc.

well will see as I remind you on each occurrence where we intersect - enjoy :smile:

But I don't do that, Bertie. Seems something you would do.

If you think standing in the street corner preaching the end is nigh on the back of blind faith then bless ya you truly need it.

Unlike you Bertie, I've positively contributed to HUKD. You personally go out of your way to troll and provoke. Alas, you think your opinions are superior to others and I am well within my right to ignore your rants. Fortunately, I, like others, have no care about what you have to say because you join most threads so late in the day, that the conversation has been and gone.


Quoting me from a post (made on a another website) I made five years ago. Tragic. Are you telling me that one can not own a car and lease one at the same time? I lease my main car and own four others. If you have a problem with that concept, take it up with someone who cares.

Besides, why do I need to pay a garage £400 to repair paint damage on a bumper when I can do it myself?

Keep trolling Bertie - it's what you do best :wink:

tbh your limited vision of myself is as irrelevant as your suggestions - we intercede on car and lease forums. HKUD is an open forum so when you insert your sensationalist limited viewpoints and quote other forums as your source of reliable facts (you are far more prolific than myself in posting). I am, as are others, at liberty to bring reality to your delusions so others are not fooled by these misrepresentations.

P.S. if you owned that car it contradicts your previous answer to myself on the length and number of leases you quoted - either way still an example where you have labelled the majority of hardworking professionals that form the independent backbone of the UK's motor trade being "dodgy" (a trade you have admitted you have no experience or exposure of) whilst for yourself you are happy to diy bodge a skilled task when it suits you - consistency without contradictions!

Oh Bertie! Don't you have anything else better to do than troll me on Google? I suspect not, given the amount of time you spend on HUKD following and criticising what I write. Sad really.

P.s. It's bumper, not "bumber". And that was an owned car, not a leased one. Better luck next time!

Normal to yourself albeit got a hunch that term is an oxymoron!

Could be worse like someone asking how to replace and spray a bumber on their lease car themselves before returning
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3799681

No Facts are where you back them up by pointing to specific reputable industry recognised published reports.

See you have missed the oil bathed solution Ford are using with their ecoboost engines that they quote 10 years or 150K whichever comes sooner (prior to this was 7 years or 100K).

851,569 used diesel cars sold in Q1 2017 an increase of 5.6% on Q1 2016 - ref https://www.smmt.co.uk/2017/05/record-first-quarter-uk-used-car-market/

Cap has three standards Clean, average and poor - the one you quote is where your low mileage lease is aimed at - Fleet would be over the moon to get the top evaluation.

Of course they are going to buying them just as diesels are not going to disappear over night. Pgilc1 gave you this previously in one of the other chats but it has clearly gone over your head - his point was changes do happen but gradually without the shock and panic you prescribe to. Don't believe me then explain why France have announced the intention to ban all cars based on fossil fuels in their country in 23 years time (roughly 3 car generations away).


I also am wondering the same question you raised on the Passat deal in relation to this focus ecoboost petrol deal?

Quoting normal prices. If you want to use a dodgy garage and use reconditioned parts that fail again, that is entirely up to you. Are you assuming that buying a three-year-old 80k mile ex-fleet diesel car would be problem free?


What does "driven properly" mean? No diesel vehicle with a DPF is suitable for repeated short runs from cold starts. And all inevitably fill their DPFs up with ash (from around 80k miles). Even AdBlue doesn't help because AdBlue heaters are now regularly failing at around 40k miles. Those are facts, not opinion.


You would let your belts last ten years would you? Is this part of "driving properly" mantra?


Are they? So why are diesel residuals dropping already? Is it because the public is becoming increasingly aware of the high cost of maintaining the emissions kit they now have to have? This is the reason fleet operators are expecting to get CAP Clean residuals for a fleet of 3-year-old diesels, similar to them not buying 6–12 year old cars because the cost of repairs could exceed their value. Very soon, the trade will not be buying 3-year-old ex-fleet diesel cars.

So I repeat, unless you are going to over 15k miles a year, it's not worth getting a diesel.

Sorry but thats totally absurd. Where do i start...
You must be quoting dealer prices there as they are very top end of the scale. A local garage would be easily half those quoted and be even less if reconditioned parts are used.
A DPF lasting 100k miles? Try 200k+ if its been driven properly (100k if its hardly ever seen a motorway and not allowed to regen)

And why are you stating that EGR valves, new timing belt, tensioner, waterpump and alternator belt, etc Will need doing in 5 years? Its typically 100k miles or 10 years whichever comes first. Plus - ALL those items are found on a petrol so it would STILL need doing anyway.

You're painting a needlessly scary picture. Diesels make perfect sense to those doing above average mileage. And they are still currently holding their value better than petrols.

Is it? EGR £500 - £1000; DPF (which lasts upto 100k miles) £1,000+ (though they can usually be chemically cleaned via Ceremex for about £3-400). If the turbo fails, that will be about £1500 + new turbo bearing oil feed and oil return pipes. That's already £3.5k without adding the other maintenance costs applicable in year five such as a new timing belt, tensioner, waterpump and alternator belt, etc. Wait until AdBlue heaters start failing too, to add to the mix.

Unless you need a car to drive 20k miles/yr+ or you need a big, heavy caravan tug, best not to buy a diesel.

I think £5k is a bit of an exageration, especially if you take into account that you probably wont have an issue with the DMF or the DPF, at least if the car is driven properly and well maintained. I had a DMF replaced and it cost £400 all in (and it WASNT due to failure, it needed a stronger clutch after a Stage 2 remap). Also DMFs are becoming increasinlgy common on GDI petrols too (I note Ford use them on the 1.0L ecoboost)
And Turbo and Injectors are similarly likely to fail on petrols, though ive never personally experienced a diesel failure yet - i'd wager petrols being more likely to have an injector failue earlier on in its life due to the higher normal running RPM (more injections) - though this might be offset by the fact the common-rail pressure in a diesel is far greater than a petrol..

Pretty much the only unique thing that Diesels have nowadays is a DPF, but - since GDI engines release more particulates than Diesels, it will only be a matter of time before petrols are fitted with them too.

Also, the latest gen petrols (GDI) are seeing new problems creep in that are comparatively uncommon in diesels relating to the engine. Head gasket failure is one ive heard about.

Injectors and turbos have been in petrol cars for many years. Petrol cars do not have DPFs and very few have DMFs. Whilst one can't argue with the fuel economy of diesels one can with all the expensive things that can go wrong with them which is the DPF and the DMF and the EGR and the turbo. It takes a lot of economising over two years to make up for £5k of repairs.

Ironically newer petrols are beginning to share a lot of technology with diesels (injectors, turbos, egr valve)

So it's kinda a moot point there.

FYI - the big diesel turn-off is less about regulation and tax, and more about cost of ownership. Unreliability and 4-figure repair bills on 4-6yr old 'modern' diesels is the real issue.

ford and Peugeot will last you a year!!

1) They do lighten the vehicle but not by redefining the homologation standard they are seeking to limit it as a 1 seated vehicle - look at the almost identical Nissan Qashqai and +2 variants to see the extra 2 seats in layout forces it to be considered different for homologation purposes - e.g. of reducing weight is removing an unrequired roof rack.

2) Standard Deviation is the square root of the variance which is what I assume you mean? - otherwise you are correcting the 30% variance Rossysaurus has given by saying it's actually 256%!

3) Rossysaurus is also currently closer I would refer you to read the Environment and Transports 2016 Mind the Gap published report: https://www.transportenvironment.org/publications/mind-gap-2016-report

The 55 mpg isn't achieved by actually driving the car.

They are done on rolling road in a laboratory. The air temperature is between 20c and 30c (the company gets to choose what is best for the car) and the car has been left for 24 hours at that temperature.

There is no rapid acceleration and in the 13 minute urban test out the car spends about 30 seconds at 30 mph and never exceeds 30 mph.

No aircon or lights, etc, and obviously they pick a perfectly prepared car to test.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/fcb/the-fuel-consumption-testing-scheme.asp

Before going for the 1.0 ecoboost engine maybe best to google it for overheating problems and then requiring a new engine!

Ops, sorry for confusion, ment to respond to there silly response.

A little confused as to why you replied on the trolls behalf?

My 11 year old Ford SMax is still going strong.

Of course it should be taken with a pinch of salt. Everyone has different experiences, I had more problems with my previous VW than I have my current Ford.

Most cars are fairly reliable these days tbh. Even your French and Italian cars are more dependable than they were 10 years ago.

A reliability index that quotes Rover, Chevrolet and Daihatsu- is there a current index?

I agree about Fords being good though - along with most made in Japan models.

Nothing to do with professional drivers. Manufacturers optimise their cars for the ECDC lab test by removing seats and accessories, thus ignoring any effect this will have on real life economy


Wrong. The average deviation is 16%. Many cars are within 10% of quoted MPG figures.

If a professional driver on a closed course under controlled conditions can get 55mpg I would be quite pleased if my gran got 40mpg on public roads.

No car manufacturer quotes realistic mpg; they are nearly all out by ~30%

But you would own it instead, despite having issues with this engine?

What is great about a car that advertises 55mpg but you get 40mpg?

Focus is one of the nicest cars to drive, Also reliable. All VW fans take a look at reliability index and you'll see that VW are way behind Ford. The Focus is more reliable than a Golf according to that.

I bought a C-Max earlier this year with the 1 litre ecoboost. I love it. So easy to drive. Handles really well. No problem with acceleration at all. Great mpg as well - which in a petrol car this size is a real bonus. That's a great price. Heat added

"Don't normally post deals I am considering , as they might sell out........" So you buying a Skoda?

New diesel (Euro 6) isn't an issue. To write off all diesels is cutting off your nose to spite your face!

if you are paying this much and want a bigger car might be worth checking the Passat deal and seeing if its still available.

Not sure why all the hate on this deal. The Focus is a great car, there's very little in quality between this and the equivalent spec VW Golf. This will last you many years.

The 1L Ecoboost is still strong in this car as it gets a bespoke gearbox with 6 gears. Easily more powerful and economical than the 1.6L petrol it replaced. Expect around 40-50mpg depending on the types of roads you drive.

Euro 6 engine. Very unlikely these will be targeted by any anti-diesel actions.

I'd seriously advise a test drive. Engine is underpowered for the car size no matter what bhp they say it makes. Have to thrash the thing to make progress, which in turn does the mpg in. All IMHO.

Why yes! Yes I would my little music box!

Strange comment from someone who has actually posted 116 deals!! But thanks for using the site for helping others... just keep your fingers crossed we don't all go out and buy a c**p ford! :wink:

Ugly car

The deal link isn't working, but I'm guessing the 1lt 125ps will be an ecoboost engine which is a fantastic engine, though in a Focus you'd probably want the 1.5lt variant, 1lt is great in a Fiesta though.

Thanks , and also best to post deals whilst under consideration , as like today it appears there is a far better one available , thanks to Karlie 88 . Not about getting false heat , its about getting the best deal for all members - wouldn't you agree ?

Don't normally post deals I am considering , as they might sell out

That's the spirit brother.

cheaper here by £1000 -

http://www.newcardealer.co.uk/outright-purchase-cars/ford/focus-hatchback/10-ecoboost-125-zetec-edition-5dr-111552