I saw the new Ryzen 3 1200 selling on eBay for £111.60, frowned as it had been reviewed at £105, then saw it was the same on Amazon, then found ebuyer bettered both, breaking the £100 price barrier. The also new Ryzen 3 1300x reviews better than the 1200 for around £30 more, if you don't want to overclock or the motherboard you chose doesn't support overclocking, but the 1200 can be overclocked to a similar level and overclocked a bit even with the included fairly-quiet Wraith cooler.
Reviews and benchmarks are all over the place, so to speak, with some saying it betters or comes close to the much more expensive i5 7400 in some games depending on which memory and motherboard you partner both with, others disagreeing with that and saying it makes more sense to compare it with Intel's dual core hyperthreaded i3 7100 and still others saying if purely gaming go for the dual core but still hyper threaded Pentium G4560, though with the G4560 being near unavailable at the moment and considerably more expensive than it was, the G4600 seems a better choice compared to it, as it has better integrated graphics than the otherwise very slightly slower G4560. Neither Ryzen CPU has integrated graphics.
Intel's strength remains its strong single core performance and a lot of programs and games benefit from that, whereas in some productivity programs and games, the Ryzen's multicores show their strength and the reasonably low power draw of the R3 1200 gets a lot of mentions. In other words, if on a budget, your choice comes down to how you want to use your computer. The Ryzen part is arguably the best all rounder for a budget multi purpose build, especially if you want to take advantage of overclocking. I hope I have summarised the reviews fairly well, I am sure others will chime in. At the time of writing, I am unaware of any plans from Intel to cut prices.
Getting back on deal topic, £98.48 is the cheapest I have been able to find it.
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Noclouds
30 Jul 172#1
Thorough but not over-long benchmark comparison on Hardware Unboxed
Make sure you buy fairly good memory, ideally in dual channel. Ryzen seems to really like dual channel for some reason.
coventgamer
30 Jul 171#3
Are they any good? How does it compare to an i5 6500
Tim1292 to coventgamer
30 Jul 172#7
Probably around equal or maybe even slightly better when overclocked. This is way better value for money though. If you have a GTX 1060 or an RX 480/580 and below this will do you nicely for the life of the card.
komi
30 Jul 171#4
Heat, still deciding on 1200 or 1600.
This is a good mobo deal i posted to go with this - future proof too ...
It's another nice sweet spot CPU, I'd still be taking a Pentium G4560 for a super budget pc but it's nice to have intermediary options between the £60-70 Pentium and the £150 R5 1400.
powerbrick to ElGofre
30 Jul 17#8
What about a 7350k, can be had for less than a hundred.
ws007 to ElGofre
30 Jul 17#23
the ryzen 3 1200 path does open up the possibility of easy upgrade to ryzen 7 or ryzen 2
GAVINLEWISHUKD
30 Jul 171#9
No it can't. Scan had it down at £100 but have no stock. They know with the launch of Ryzen 3 people will be looking at relevant processors. This jumps their store to the top of Google's search.
hotsa
30 Jul 171#10
Thanks OP - another Ryzen is joining the family! :smile:
timohhhh
30 Jul 17#11
Make you you what are you even saying? IQ under 30? /s
i5-6200U is used in some All in One Desktops, but generally it's not a desktop class CPU but a laptop CPU. The Ryzen 3 1200 smashes the crap out of it.
imagineS
30 Jul 17#15
Not bad, but no point me upgrading?
I have a GIGABYTE Brix i5 (Skylake) which I use for Word, Web Browsing, Photoshop and Video editing. Which work perfectly with 8GB RAM, M.2 NVME Toshiba SSD.
sadbuttruee
30 Jul 172#16
been watching vids on this today, not getting one just cos I have an i7 but they do look great value for gaming if paired with an R580 or GTX1060, that kind of combo seems to be the sweet spot for bang for buck gaming right now - the 1050ti isn't strong enough tbh from what I've seen
ElGofre
30 Jul 17#17
It's at least £150 everywhere, if you saw it for £100 somewhere then it was most definitely a fluke.
McHotpoon
30 Jul 171#18
Love the look of this but still scraping by with an i5 4460 think it's got another 12 months in it yet :-/ Heat added
FamGuy
30 Jul 17#19
I have the 1800x and must say these things are pretty incredible, both for the price point and performance, with the added benefit of using less power.
Threadripper will be coming out later this year, Intel have become complacent.
FamGuy
30 Jul 17#20
Ryzen's multicore performance runs rings around Intel in After Effects (and media encoder).
Coulomb_Barrier
30 Jul 17#21
This renders the complete Intel i3 range obsolete. Overclock one and it's closer to an i5.
format
30 Jul 17#22
multicore is overrated for games for now, sure that will change soon. still, the 1200 seems like a budget monster, i'm trying to tell myself i'm not due an upgrade but my g3258 and 750TI seem to disagree :disappointed:
edit, started looking into what graphics card is best to pair with the 1200, no hope for me now
Sp0oner
30 Jul 17#24
Cpubenchmark scores this at 7029 so for the price it's amazing performance.
I'd 100% recommend OC'ing this to 3.8/3.9GHz, the gains in gaming performance are amazing.
technobot
30 Jul 17#26
You're correct that it's written wrong, but if you yourself were at all inteligent then you would know that he meant to say "make sure you."
Comments like yours are silly, please stick to commenting on the item/deal in question and not making silly insults on people's grammar.
dan_lesser
31 Jul 17#27
The FX8320 scores 8020 for the same price. I'm sure this must be quicker. Wouldn't read too much in to CPUbenchmark.
It's tests are also heavily bias towards Intel chips as its GPU test is very heavily bias to Nvidia. (Eg both gtx 780ti and 1060 are shown as 11% faster than rx580 - which is clearly not true in the real world).
joe_shmoe to dan_lesser
31 Jul 17#39
The FX chip will show a good cpu score in passmark,purely because passmark cpu test evaluates total available resources,even if they are hardly if ever utilized.
The 'SINGLE thread rating should be noted as a 'SINGLE' single thread rating of 1500.
Its ok for mthreaded apps, but fx is b/s at windows.
Lastly the 'OVERCLOCK'.
"as we hit 15% over the maximum turbo boost and 44% over the base clock. However, as substantial as that may sound, it only produced 16% more performance in our application tests and 7% in our encoding and gaming benchmarks..
'When clocked at 4.6GHz, the FX-8320E used 63% more power on average in our application tests, 55% more when encoding and 27% more when gaming.'.
For **** all use except shagging out motherboard power phases.
The fx chips were a disaster. Even i3 chips **** all over them in general windows use and most games,not to mention power and heat.(tho battlefield was patched for it)
This is not the case with ryzen .. a ryzen r5 1600 o/c'ed is equal to a haswel i7 4770K @ 3.9 gig,but with 6 cores and 12 threads instead of 4/8.
If you can find any game an i7 4770k will struggle with at 3.9 gig we would of course be interested to here about it. With the ryzen 1600 chip we could play it and stream the results live,just for for a hoot.
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+RX+470
)
To get some relativity. Its not perfect. Similar architecture sku's is close.
I will at this juncture point out every single 4+ year old Nvidia card should be removed from Tom's knobware chart unless re tested with modern games,because they are totally unsupported and go to **** for your £500, whilst something as old and cheap as an HD 5850 has maintained windows 10 drivers. An r9 290 will now humble a gtx 780 t.i.
Go figure.
bulletfoss
31 Jul 17#28
Go for the 1600, so much better for a bit more.
tomhood98 to bulletfoss
31 Jul 17#29
double the price
Lahn to bulletfoss
31 Jul 17#30
It's twice the price, hardly "a bit more".
If you are on a very strict budget, this 4core CPU is a great choice.
takkischitt
31 Jul 17#31
Would this be a reasonable upgrade from an overclocked i5 2500k (4.5Ghz)? I've also got a GTX1070.
Lahn to takkischitt
31 Jul 171#32
It'd not be worth it at all. This will OC to 3.8-3.9 and reach just about the same performance I think - although it'll use less power.
petermcgregor14
31 Jul 17#33
How does this compare to a fx6300 over clocked to 4.1ghz? I'm thinking of getting a vr headset. Had a vive before and the cpu really seemed to struggle. If more power needed any recommendations? I have a GA-970A-DS3 motherboard which supports only am3/am3+. Guessing for anything better than what I have I'll need a new mobo?
Wanting it for mostly gaming so single core performance I would like to be good. Any advice appreciated.
joe_shmoe
31 Jul 17#34
The twin core intel options are very short sighted,as eventually they wont compete with the 1200 in games. (single thread will be less important than total resources)
overclocked; AMD Ryzen 3 1200 ; 8,316 cpu marks
(passmarks o/c page, https://www.cpubenchmark.net/overclocked_cpus.html)
The FX 6300 o/c rolls in at 7350 O/C'D, so yes, the 1200 is a stronger gamer esp in games that like single thread power. Not really worth it, get the r5 1600, pulls 13000 marks.
ws007
31 Jul 17#35
first what i5 skylake do you have?
i would probably say its not worth upgrading to ryzen 3 from the skylake.
photoshop loves memory so i`d spend money on a memory upgrade.
Are you actually talking about 'future proofing' with the AMD ryzen? Honestly, how far can you take it?
You can pick up a G4560 for nearly *half* the price of this and it trades blows (60 at scan atm, but it has been lower than 50 recently).
It really depends on your budget, but if you are considering this CPU or the G4560 and you have a limited budget, get the G4560 and throw the extra 40-50 quid into the GPU.
joe_shmoe
1 Aug 17#42
If the use is gaming, its a 5200 mark pentium G4560 (try finding one? ho ho ho. I dare you!) with a cheap board,and the next cpu up is an i5 7400 that will cost you £120 used, or an 8000 mark ryzen 1200 for an extra £70 inc the extra for a b350 board that will beat a 7400 anyway and possibly last you until you start again,unless you need to trade up to the 1600.
Where do you go from 'G4560?' (lets call it G4600 as no 4560's are available)
Where do you go, from there? worthwhile? A used 7500 will cost you 125 and you will get ~30 for the old one and its all a headache. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-7500+%40+3.40GHz
8000 cpu marks,locked, £169.50. (aria pc cheapest)
It is NOT WORTH BUILDING A PC FOR GAMING with a g4560, if you can find one (unlikely) to save £70 over clocking an r3 1200. Not anymore.
Opening post
Reviews and benchmarks are all over the place, so to speak, with some saying it betters or comes close to the much more expensive i5 7400 in some games depending on which memory and motherboard you partner both with, others disagreeing with that and saying it makes more sense to compare it with Intel's dual core hyperthreaded i3 7100 and still others saying if purely gaming go for the dual core but still hyper threaded Pentium G4560, though with the G4560 being near unavailable at the moment and considerably more expensive than it was, the G4600 seems a better choice compared to it, as it has better integrated graphics than the otherwise very slightly slower G4560. Neither Ryzen CPU has integrated graphics.
Intel's strength remains its strong single core performance and a lot of programs and games benefit from that, whereas in some productivity programs and games, the Ryzen's multicores show their strength and the reasonably low power draw of the R3 1200 gets a lot of mentions. In other words, if on a budget, your choice comes down to how you want to use your computer. The Ryzen part is arguably the best all rounder for a budget multi purpose build, especially if you want to take advantage of overclocking. I hope I have summarised the reviews fairly well, I am sure others will chime in. At the time of writing, I am unaware of any plans from Intel to cut prices.
Getting back on deal topic, £98.48 is the cheapest I have been able to find it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoR0RDETGZI
Surprisingly short review from Tom Logan on OC3D TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xepYNo0DA6k&t=879s
This is a good mobo deal i posted to go with this - future proof too ...
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/msi-gaming-plus-x370-sli-crossfire-ready-95-99-after-msi-cashback-ccl-112-99-inc-2752852
lnik
they do mention the 1200 in the review
I have a GIGABYTE Brix i5 (Skylake) which I use for Word, Web Browsing, Photoshop and Video editing. Which work perfectly with 8GB RAM, M.2 NVME Toshiba SSD.
Threadripper will be coming out later this year, Intel have become complacent.
edit, started looking into what graphics card is best to pair with the 1200, no hope for me now
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+1200&id=3029
Comments like yours are silly, please stick to commenting on the item/deal in question and not making silly insults on people's grammar.
It's tests are also heavily bias towards Intel chips as its GPU test is very heavily bias to Nvidia. (Eg both gtx 780ti and 1060 are shown as 11% faster than rx580 - which is clearly not true in the real world).
The 'SINGLE thread rating should be noted as a 'SINGLE' single thread rating of 1500.
Its ok for mthreaded apps, but fx is b/s at windows.
Lastly the 'OVERCLOCK'.
https://www.techspot.com/review/943-best-value-desktop-cpu/page7.html
"as we hit 15% over the maximum turbo boost and 44% over the base clock. However, as substantial as that may sound, it only produced 16% more performance in our application tests and 7% in our encoding and gaming benchmarks..
'When clocked at 4.6GHz, the FX-8320E used 63% more power on average in our application tests, 55% more when encoding and 27% more when gaming.'.
For **** all use except shagging out motherboard power phases.
The fx chips were a disaster. Even i3 chips **** all over them in general windows use and most games,not to mention power and heat.(tho battlefield was patched for it)
This is not the case with ryzen .. a ryzen r5 1600 o/c'ed is equal to a haswel i7 4770K @ 3.9 gig,but with 6 cores and 12 threads instead of 4/8.
If you can find any game an i7 4770k will struggle with at 3.9 gig we would of course be interested to here about it. With the ryzen 1600 chip we could play it and stream the results live,just for for a hoot.
You are sort of right about the cross comparison re gpu's tho.
Use THIS to get a reasonable performance comparison(
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gpu-hierarchy,review-33383.html
)
and then use this (
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+7970+%2F+R9+280X
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+RX+470
)
To get some relativity. Its not perfect. Similar architecture sku's is close.
I will at this juncture point out every single 4+ year old Nvidia card should be removed from Tom's knobware chart unless re tested with modern games,because they are totally unsupported and go to **** for your £500, whilst something as old and cheap as an HD 5850 has maintained windows 10 drivers. An r9 290 will now humble a gtx 780 t.i.
Go figure.
If you are on a very strict budget, this 4core CPU is a great choice.
Wanting it for mostly gaming so single core performance I would like to be good. Any advice appreciated.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+G4600+%40+3.60GHz
5400 cpu marks
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+1200&id=3029
7000 marks
overclocked; AMD Ryzen 3 1200 ; 8,316 cpu marks
(passmarks o/c page, https://www.cpubenchmark.net/overclocked_cpus.html)
The FX 6300 o/c rolls in at 7350 O/C'D, so yes, the 1200 is a stronger gamer esp in games that like single thread power. Not really worth it, get the r5 1600, pulls 13000 marks.
i would probably say its not worth upgrading to ryzen 3 from the skylake.
photoshop loves memory so i`d spend money on a memory upgrade.
http://ark.intel.com/products/88193/Intel-Core-i5-6200U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_80-GHz
You can pick up a G4560 for nearly *half* the price of this and it trades blows (60 at scan atm, but it has been lower than 50 recently).
It really depends on your budget, but if you are considering this CPU or the G4560 and you have a limited budget, get the G4560 and throw the extra 40-50 quid into the GPU.
Where do you go from 'G4560?' (lets call it G4600 as no 4560's are available)
Where do you go, from there? worthwhile? A used 7500 will cost you 125 and you will get ~30 for the old one and its all a headache.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-7500+%40+3.40GHz
8000 cpu marks,locked, £169.50. (aria pc cheapest)
It is NOT WORTH BUILDING A PC FOR GAMING with a g4560, if you can find one (unlikely) to save £70 over clocking an r3 1200. Not anymore.