This seems like a good deal to me but I am not too informed on gaming PCs.
Intel® Core™ i7-6700 Processor (8MB Cache, up to 4.0GHz with Intel® Turbo Boost Technology) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition with 8GB GDDR5X 16GB (2x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC 460W PSU Air Cooled w/ out ODD
Dell have £350 saving until 2nd August but if you use code "SAVE12UK" you get 12% off, code is expiring end of tomorrow.
Can anyone tell me why I shouldn't get this and recommend something else. Just want something to pay the latest games at high quality
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MikeLondon
25 Jul 175#2
You don't list the hard drive but feel it important to state air cooled PSU :confused:
Agharta
25 Jul 174#17
Manufacturers such as Nvidia are very conservative when quoting power figures to play it safe.
The 400W you recorded at the wall was the AC input whereas PSUs are rated for DC output.
So if your PSU is 90% efficient at that output level the DC output is 360W which gives more headroom.
Dell have control of this system so know what they are doing.
You don't list the hard drive but feel it important to state air cooled PSU :confused:
Agharta to MikeLondon
25 Jul 171#13
That's the chassis, so it tells you the PSU wattage, system cooling and whether it has a bay for an OD.
Nothing to do with if the PSU is air cooled! :confused:
Soopz123 to MikeLondon
26 Jul 17#42
Hard drives are not very expensive or difficult to change...most people, as evidenced by the comments, want to know about the PSU in regards to future upgrades to GPU etc......also i might have forgot to paste the hard drive information :stuck_out_tongue:
gener4l_carnage
26 Jul 17#35
Would this Gaming rig comfortably suit VR gaming such as Oculus Rift at say it's best settings straight out the box or would there be more work to do to it?
ElGofre to gener4l_carnage
26 Jul 17#41
Yes, it would do a great job.
plewis00
26 Jul 171#40
Yes, that was my bad in a rush, a 460W PSU will (should) output 460W DC-side. But personally, and maybe this is just me, but I try not to push my PSUs at full load above about 80-90% maximum output and Dell is cutting it fine here. I think I've been looking at the 'Ti' version...
SimyJo
26 Jul 17#37
I used to lust after AlienWare - until I discovered 3XS computers from Scan. Far better value for money and much better performance from the cutting edge components.
dasachmo to SimyJo
26 Jul 17#38
whats the build quality like?
I thought alienware is meant to be the best ?
seems like a better deal than Alienware Aurora newer model Pc cheaper too
tee_tee
26 Jul 171#24
Lol at the 460w psu
ezzer72 to tee_tee
26 Jul 17#34
Got a 600w 'Shong Deng' ^^
CampGareth
26 Jul 17#33
A 1000W power supply can supply 1000W DC output to the components of the computer, it can draw more than that from the wall. If it were 80% efficient it'd draw up to 1250W from the wall.
250W power draw? Odd, I'm seeing 180W in places like this tom's hardware review of power consumption at the PCI-E socket and extra power connectors. It does spike a lot higher than that, but there's some leeway in dell's PSU, plus most good ones can supply about 100W more than their rating for short bursts so I wouldn't worry.
plewis00
26 Jul 17#32
I get what you're saying but Dell haven't specified the efficiency of the PSU and you need to factor that in. Let's say it's an 80 Plus Bronze at least, that's 368W of pure output. Doesn't matter what nVidia says, real world (see Anandtech) reckons it's around 250W - AMD did this as well, the R9 290 is supposed to pull 250W but is usually 300-320W. That's little over 100W left for the other bits. I'm sure Dell did the maths but that's not a lot of headroom, especially as you don't want to run a PSU at 100% load.
Personally, I agree, cheap high-rated power supplies are a scourge. I used to buy these cheap things but now all my systems have Corsair RM (Gold), HX or AX (Platinum) power supplies in them and I know these are good units.
BobKelso
26 Jul 17#31
This seems bad to me, can't oc processor, only 2133mhz ram and the power supply is bad... I mean pls you could get a much better system for this price.
Gomezjones
26 Jul 17#23
Could you not just buy a better psu or would it not fit in the case?
CampGareth to Gomezjones
26 Jul 17#25
Tend to not be standard form factors in a dell so you couldn't pick up a generic ATX PSU and expect it to fit.
I learnt this the hard way with a T7600's motherboard, they do weird stuff like use a 20-pin ATX connector to supply only 12V and ground, that went alongside a regular 24 pin ATX connector that had actually been rewired, basically it's booby-trapped.
steve_bezerker to Gomezjones
26 Jul 17#30
You could - most pre-built PC's PSU's are garbage anyway and so it's one of the expected components to replace shortly after having the build.
steve_bezerker
26 Jul 17#29
460w PSU are they having a laugh? This PC would not be functional after a couple hours use on heavy loads. Forget gaming on this thing. Knowing Alienware/Dell it's probably fitted with crappy non-branded bronze quality power unit as well.
Instant replace, making this deal more like £1,400.
WheresMeNuts
26 Jul 17#28
Both links not working for me?
CampGareth
26 Jul 17#27
Nvidia claim 180W. They also recommend a 500W PSU. Let's think about that for a moment, the most power hungry part of the system draws less than 2/5ths the PSU's output, so what on earth do they think is in the system to be using 300W? 30 HDDs? Dual 150W xeons?
Their recommendations are really off the mark, and I suspect it's because people buy 1000W PSUs for a fiver and expect them to sustain that output. In reality they'll do a small proportion of that, and that's probably enough for the GPU if they over-estimate massively. People really do that by the way, had a distant family member ask why his PC kept shutting off after a half hour, turns out his 800W PSU could barely sustain 200W, and he had ~300W of load on it.
Shimmasok
26 Jul 17#22
Would be interested on alternative. Looking to drop about 1500. Happy to self build. Anyone got a recommendation? Would be appreciated thanks
EmperorRosko to Shimmasok
26 Jul 17#26
If you have 1500 then defo self build. If you don't go silly on things like the case and keep SSDs sensible, you'll easily build a 7700K Kaby lake, with 16-32GB RAM and a 1080ti for that amount.
I'd say;
7700K
1080ti
240GB SSD for OS
2TB Firecuda SSHD for games and storage
16-32GB of 3000mhz+ RAM
If your case is big enough get a double radiator AIO CPU cooler or something like a Noctua NH-D14/15 as Kaby Lake can get toastie when OC'ing. Especially if you lose the silicon lotto like me.
dealsonmeals
25 Jul 171#8
Isn't a 460W PSU a bit too low for a 1080?
zebz001 to dealsonmeals
25 Jul 171#9
No it's not. GTX 1080 FE is 180W
plewis00 to dealsonmeals
26 Jul 17#21
That was my first thought, that card is has a 250W TDP, add on the CPU for another 65W, other components let's say 50W and you haven't got a lot of change from that 460W on the PSU - I'm guessing it's an 80 Plus Silver at best (as that's what Dell fits to many of its workstations).
Dell never used 'generic components', it's probably a Foxconn or Lite-on PSU which is fine.
MikeLondon
26 Jul 17#20
This unit already comes with the 512Gb M.2 SSD
catbeans
26 Jul 171#19
I just can't get my head around how these can be cool and quiet.
Do Dell not use their own generic components anymore?
zebz001
25 Jul 171#18
Of course it's not...there are other components that draw power, but relating to that build, it's enough. Remember that quality 460W PSU is in most cases better than no name PSU with higher power output
Agharta
25 Jul 174#17
Manufacturers such as Nvidia are very conservative when quoting power figures to play it safe.
The 400W you recorded at the wall was the AC input whereas PSUs are rated for DC output.
So if your PSU is 90% efficient at that output level the DC output is 360W which gives more headroom.
Dell have control of this system so know what they are doing.
spannerzone
25 Jul 171#16
Some outlet products I've bought are brand new even though they say they're refubished or scratch and dent. One however was definitely used, albeit it for about 6 months based on its service tag history.
No it's not just that. My GTX 1070 says requirements with it with full setup is atleast 500w. A 1080 requirements is 600w or more with full setup. I bought a watt measurer and my system at the time was using 400w.
Agharta
25 Jul 172#12
Memory is not NAND and the shortages are due to the manufacturers reducing capacity as they had an over supply.
nublets2k
25 Jul 171#11
Nand isn't the same as Dram, must be a shortage of both.
Opening post
Intel® Core™ i7-6700 Processor (8MB Cache, up to 4.0GHz with Intel® Turbo Boost Technology)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition with 8GB GDDR5X
16GB (2x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC
460W PSU Air Cooled w/ out ODD
Dell have £350 saving until 2nd August but if you use code "SAVE12UK" you get 12% off, code is expiring end of tomorrow.
Can anyone tell me why I shouldn't get this and recommend something else. Just want something to pay the latest games at high quality
Top comments
The 400W you recorded at the wall was the AC input whereas PSUs are rated for DC output.
So if your PSU is 90% efficient at that output level the DC output is 360W which gives more headroom.
Dell have control of this system so know what they are doing.
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Nothing to do with if the PSU is air cooled! :confused:
I thought alienware is meant to be the best ?
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-aurora-r5-desktop/pd?oc=d00awr530&model_id=alienware-aurora-r5-desktop
Unclockable Model i7-6700 Processor http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-aurora-r5-desktop/pd?oc=d00awr522&model_id=alienware-aurora-r5-desktop
that difference in Processor is at lest £100 to upgrade from I7 to I7K
I don't know whether to go for this or an The XPS 8920 ( No overclocking this processor) desktop http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-8920-desktop/pd?oc=cdx89205&model_id=xps-8920-desktop
seems like a better deal than Alienware Aurora newer model Pc cheaper too
250W power draw? Odd, I'm seeing 180W in places like this tom's hardware review of power consumption at the PCI-E socket and extra power connectors. It does spike a lot higher than that, but there's some leeway in dell's PSU, plus most good ones can supply about 100W more than their rating for short bursts so I wouldn't worry.
Personally, I agree, cheap high-rated power supplies are a scourge. I used to buy these cheap things but now all my systems have Corsair RM (Gold), HX or AX (Platinum) power supplies in them and I know these are good units.
I learnt this the hard way with a T7600's motherboard, they do weird stuff like use a 20-pin ATX connector to supply only 12V and ground, that went alongside a regular 24 pin ATX connector that had actually been rewired, basically it's booby-trapped.
Instant replace, making this deal more like £1,400.
Their recommendations are really off the mark, and I suspect it's because people buy 1000W PSUs for a fiver and expect them to sustain that output. In reality they'll do a small proportion of that, and that's probably enough for the GPU if they over-estimate massively. People really do that by the way, had a distant family member ask why his PC kept shutting off after a half hour, turns out his 800W PSU could barely sustain 200W, and he had ~300W of load on it.
I'd say;
7700K
1080ti
240GB SSD for OS
2TB Firecuda SSHD for games and storage
16-32GB of 3000mhz+ RAM
If your case is big enough get a double radiator AIO CPU cooler or something like a Noctua NH-D14/15 as Kaby Lake can get toastie when OC'ing. Especially if you lose the silicon lotto like me.
Dell never used 'generic components', it's probably a Foxconn or Lite-on PSU which is fine.
Do Dell not use their own generic components anymore?
The 400W you recorded at the wall was the AC input whereas PSUs are rated for DC output.
So if your PSU is 90% efficient at that output level the DC output is 360W which gives more headroom.
Dell have control of this system so know what they are doing.
I got above with 32gb. Liquid cooled. 500gb nvme drive and 2tb drive for £1370 inc vat and delivery.
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-aurora-r5-desktop/pd?oc=d00awr522&model_id=alienware-aurora-r5-desktop