Because the taste of quorn is better than the taste of murder?
Dejaque2k
6 Jun 178#18
Look I eat meat myself, cut it down significantly for various reasons over the last year, but humans are not "designed" to eat meat. I've been over every argument for and against meat consumption, fact checked every claim, analysed the merits of perspectives vis-a-vis mortality, environmental factors, health / all cause mortality etc. There is only 1 real argument for eating meat in the 21st century.
#1 Taste pleasure. For many, It tastes great and therefore people gravitate towards eating it.
Every other argument used by meat eaters that have neither researched, fact checked or even used their brains to think things through holds up to logical scrutiny.
First claim:
Humans are designed to eat meat
Incorrect. Humans have neither innate digestive enzymes or systems designed specifically to eat meat. We can eat meat, sure, but that doesn't mean it's optimal for our digestive system / health or that we are "designed" to eat meat. You can eat paper too, it doesn't mean humans were "designed" to eat paper.
Carnivores have short intestinal tracts that allow meat to pass quickly through their digestive system. Humans’ intestinal tracts are much longer, like those of plant-eaters. This gives the body more time to break down fibre and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods. Although if you can catch an animal in the wild and rip into flesh using your lion like predatory teeth, maybe you were designed to eat meat and I apologise for confusing you with 7 billion other people that don't have that ability.
"why replace it with a fungus made to look like meat (and supposedly taste like meat)"
Why not? Many vegans eat that way for moral reasons - but like many others still enjoy the taste of meat. Trying to replicate the taste artificially, while cutting down the demand for the extremely inefficient, wasteful and environmentally harmful meat industry is the way forward. Personally, I don't plan on having kids so I guess I don't really care what happens to the planet 30 - 40 years from now. Many people fortunately don't share my view and care about having a viable planet for their kids to live on.
JonDOnnis
5 Jun 174#9
Because some people do not enjoy the suffering of others.
You are a sociopath if you eat meat and have no issues with animals being tortured just so you can fill your stomach
JonDOnnis
6 Jun 173#21
Erm, I am vegan, i do not eat eggs, or any dairy products.
There is no such thing as a true free range chicken/egg that you can buy from ASDA etc
All comments (48)
tinca
5 Jun 171#1
Nothing half a dozen rashers of bacon won't cure :sunglasses:
lukeo44 to tinca
5 Jun 173#3
Watch Earthlings and see if you feel the same :confused:
fanpages to tinca
5 Jun 17#6
Nothing a dozen cured rashers of bacon will have.
funkeymunkey
5 Jun 17#2
Heat
tinca
5 Jun 17#4
I have, and I still feel the same. All it proves is that some humans a bar stewards. Humans are designed to eat meat, whether you do or not is individual choice but why replace it with a fungus made to look like meat (and supposedly taste like meat)?
fanpages
5 Jun 17#5
Thanks rubberbullets.
Murtin
5 Jun 1713#7
Because the taste of quorn is better than the taste of murder?
JonDOnnis
5 Jun 172#8
Cold as not vegan
JonDOnnis
5 Jun 174#9
Because some people do not enjoy the suffering of others.
You are a sociopath if you eat meat and have no issues with animals being tortured just so you can fill your stomach
chrisbass
5 Jun 171#10
designed you say? not one for evolution then!
tinca
5 Jun 17#11
So you think your free range eggs come chickens running around a farm?
You are a sanctimonious pushbike riding psychopath for trying to inflict your misheld 'beliefs' on others!
edgeone
5 Jun 171#12
The design has changed. You're V1, you need to upgrade to V2 to remain relevant.
lukeo44
5 Jun 172#13
"Some" humans, but you're still paying them to do that on your behalf
I don't eat Quorn for what it's worth, just thought your comment was a tad ignorant. The best vegan (or veggie if that's your preference) meals are way beyond just using meat replacements
Also, nothing wrong with riding a bike as you seem to be attacking that in this thread too
tinca
6 Jun 17#14
So you open up a HUKD account just to reply to me? How cute, pity you are not celebrating getting your "Darwin" award by not revealing your true identity!
bpwa1
6 Jun 17#15
can someone comment on how the product tastes instead of all the nonsense ?
I am not a vegan / vegetarian and I tried their burgers and thought they were quite decent, so just wondering before I purchase.
CaptCShadow
6 Jun 172#16
Do you eat meat or are you vegetarian?
Either way, imo, it tastes fine. Texture is soft compared to mince, but it didn't put me off. I used it for Bolognese.
dreamager
6 Jun 17#17
A lot of quorn stuff tastes pretty good these days, I remember back in the 90s when it all just tasted of cubes of cardboard. This mince is a pretty good substitute, although softer, which may be a plus for some
Dejaque2k
6 Jun 178#18
Look I eat meat myself, cut it down significantly for various reasons over the last year, but humans are not "designed" to eat meat. I've been over every argument for and against meat consumption, fact checked every claim, analysed the merits of perspectives vis-a-vis mortality, environmental factors, health / all cause mortality etc. There is only 1 real argument for eating meat in the 21st century.
#1 Taste pleasure. For many, It tastes great and therefore people gravitate towards eating it.
Every other argument used by meat eaters that have neither researched, fact checked or even used their brains to think things through holds up to logical scrutiny.
First claim:
Humans are designed to eat meat
Incorrect. Humans have neither innate digestive enzymes or systems designed specifically to eat meat. We can eat meat, sure, but that doesn't mean it's optimal for our digestive system / health or that we are "designed" to eat meat. You can eat paper too, it doesn't mean humans were "designed" to eat paper.
Carnivores have short intestinal tracts that allow meat to pass quickly through their digestive system. Humans’ intestinal tracts are much longer, like those of plant-eaters. This gives the body more time to break down fibre and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods. Although if you can catch an animal in the wild and rip into flesh using your lion like predatory teeth, maybe you were designed to eat meat and I apologise for confusing you with 7 billion other people that don't have that ability.
"why replace it with a fungus made to look like meat (and supposedly taste like meat)"
Why not? Many vegans eat that way for moral reasons - but like many others still enjoy the taste of meat. Trying to replicate the taste artificially, while cutting down the demand for the extremely inefficient, wasteful and environmentally harmful meat industry is the way forward. Personally, I don't plan on having kids so I guess I don't really care what happens to the planet 30 - 40 years from now. Many people fortunately don't share my view and care about having a viable planet for their kids to live on.
Dejaque2k
6 Jun 171#19
As part of a chilli / bolognese, it can taste very nice. Whether or not it tastes better is subjective, but I personally prefer it because you don't get the fatty, chewy and gristly bits like you do with mince (cheap or otherwise). As for burgers etc, nothing tastes better than meat.
jbarnsie
6 Jun 17#20
It tastes fine and I am a meat eater. Eating a lot less because partner is a veggie and daughter a vegan.
Good thing about vegans they dont like to talk about it!!! if only do what you want but the constant preaching doesn't help the cause
JonDOnnis
6 Jun 173#21
Erm, I am vegan, i do not eat eggs, or any dairy products.
There is no such thing as a true free range chicken/egg that you can buy from ASDA etc
JonDOnnis
6 Jun 171#22
If you speak out against Fox hunting, but you are not a vegan, then you are a hypocrite.
If you claim to be a feminist but you are not a vegan, then you are a hypocrite.
liamwill83 to JonDOnnis
6 Jun 17#23
Slightly off topic, is this not a post about the price of Quorn mince?
otherside27
6 Jun 17#24
\x0d\x0aSays you, preaching. Tesco own brand mince is delicious and vegan - plus you'll pay about £1.50, but this is ok for people who want brands.
jarekjj
6 Jun 17#25
In case of mince it all depends on spices and how you prepare it. You can make perfect chilli con carne using this :wink:
Enjoy!
MisterMadHatter
6 Jun 17#26
I've recently started eating Quorn as a substitute for meat and I must say that I actually prefer it now. This particular variety is great in chillis and spaghetti bolognese. As someone says, the texture is softer but you soon get used to the difference. The chicken is great in stir-frys too and the chicken nuggets are really nice. I still eat meat very occasionally but if I'm at home cooking a meal then I'll reach for Quorn now.
shug119
6 Jun 17#27
Wifes a coeliac , daughter is a vegetarian, good find.
Dodge62
6 Jun 17#28
They have both mince and chunks - think they're the same price. I meant to buy three bags of mince, but found myself with two bags of mince and one of chunks. Shall have to try a Quorn curry with the chunks.
Don_Mega
6 Jun 171#29
Quorn is great. Mince in lasagne, spag bol, shepherd's pie. Chicken style pieces in stir fry - lovely.
Meat Eaters - try it! It contains none of that stuff which turns you into a paranoid ranter, ("bicycle riding"??!!! wtf?!)
Dodge62
6 Jun 17#30
Proven? Are you sure? I would have thought "suspected" was a lot more accurate. And in any case, doesn't the EU ban the use of most hormones in meat production? Presumably after Brexit we'll be free to eat the same old carp the Americans eat, but for now we should be relatively safe.
0scar222
6 Jun 17#31
Not vegetarian we use Quorn mince and actually like it better than quality mince meat
Wish could go vegetarian but love nice steaks to much , admire any one that is vegan
or vegetarian
MisterMadHatter
6 Jun 17#32
No you're right, 'suspected' is more accurate. And yes, most hormones are banned in meat production in the EU. I retract that statement. In fact, I retract everything, except the statement about Quorn 'chicken' nuggets being really good.
Dalkirst
6 Jun 17#33
forgot the ingredient cardboard
Dejaque2k to Dalkirst
6 Jun 172#38
Veganism is about minimising ones negative environmental impact and suffering where possible and practical. This argument gets used so often, while overlooking the very basic flaws in that logic. Which are
1# Livestock still have to be fed, so by keeping and feeding livestock... millions of microorganisms / animals are still killed to produce the food to feed livestock. Livestock are then kept in rubbish conditions their entire lives before being killed themselves too.
2# Comparing the plight of microorganisms - which is nonexistent because they feel no pain whatsoever, nor do they have a consciousness (the same as plants / fungae)... to the very real discomfort and pain livestock go through until they're essentially put out of their misery. Is intellectually dishonest at best, stupid at worst.
I know you're probably just trying to be a clever-dick online, thinking nobody has ever used this genius line of reasoning, but you're a few years too late. Every predictable argument, every cliched "but bacon though" retort. It's all been done to death... it's not new, funny or clever trust me. If you're at all bothered, go read some debates on the subject. Once you've seen all the predictable arguments and you've got them out of your system, start formulating new logical arguments to justify meat eating.
Besides taste pleasure (as mentioned in my other comment). There are some minor niche arguments for eating meat, both can be refuted however.
#1 It's more convenient for bodybuilders to get protein in their diet. Although the total amount of protein required to build / maintain muscle is vastly overstated in the industry anyway. Whether or not the adverse health effects of eating meat - especially processed or red meat is worth "the gains" is subjective. Since it's every bit as possible to build muscle following a vegan diet, it just requires more planning and a knowledge of protein rich foods that go well together to create a complimentary essential amino acid profile (rice and beans for instance).
#2 It's sometimes harder to find vegetarian meal options when eating out. Although really this boils down to supply and demand, and markets accommodating demand. If there were more veges asking for vege options while dining out, restaurants would be more inclined to provide for that market. Think gluten free... many places have options after it was turned into a fad diet.
markymark34
6 Jun 17#34
Millions of animals and micro organisms are killed to get your veg. So because they are small and not furry they are insignificant?
Shakeyyy
6 Jun 171#35
Spot on, only the ignorant, illogical and unsympathetic will never understand why people transition to plant-based food that helps ween them off meat that has come from a tortured and tainted animal. A little like the religious, ignorant beyond belief.
universe1992
6 Jun 17#36
Manufactured meat is murder on a huge scale !!!
Murtin
6 Jun 17#37
You're absolutely right.
The difference is, of course, that cows, pigs, sheep are all sentient animals which are capable and subjected to feelings of pain and immense suffering.
fanpages
6 Jun 17#39
You were doing so well until then.
Dejaque2k
6 Jun 171#40
Are you suggesting it wasn't turned into a fad diet? I'm aware coeliacs disease and gluten intolerance is real. I'm coeliac myself. It doesn't change the fact celebrity exposure and misinformation about the subject spread like wildfire and created a fad-diet around gluten. Not that I'm complaining, as there's now plenty of places for me to eat out and more options in shops. However, there's no shortage of people eating gluten free that can't even tell you what gluten is or how it negatively effects them.
fanpages
6 Jun 171#41
...OK, your justification redeemed your previous comment :smiley:
Yes, there may be a greater supply, due to an increased demand; we just need to work on lowering prices now.
Mate you're arguing with these apes who haven't got 2 braincells to knock together, they're probably 20 stone with a beer gut and live their life for footy and pie on the weekend
Dejaque2k
7 Jun 17#43
If it slightly widens a perspective or two, encourages further debate or gets an "ape with 2 braincells" to engage both cells simultaneously. Then I'm happy to dismantle any illogical argument or comment - whether it's made by vegans or meat eaters. I care about facts and remain objective.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge though, there are plenty of intelligent people that are just misinformed on the subject via upbringing, advertising, shilled science etc. There's also a stigma surrounding veganism about being preachy ******** so it puts people off learning more. Which I understand completely because I didn't want to hear about it until a year or so ago.
jbarnsie to Dejaque2k
12 Jun 17#46
Good you haven't been preachy in anyway then
well done you have won the debate and the whole internet
Pennywise999
7 Jun 17#44
lovely fried with onions and pasta sauce
jbarnsie
12 Jun 17#45
well done
Dejaque2k
14 Jun 17#47
I'm going to assume that's sarcasm, if not I apologise. If so...
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#1 Taste pleasure. For many, It tastes great and therefore people gravitate towards eating it.
Every other argument used by meat eaters that have neither researched, fact checked or even used their brains to think things through holds up to logical scrutiny.
First claim:
Humans are designed to eat meat
Incorrect. Humans have neither innate digestive enzymes or systems designed specifically to eat meat. We can eat meat, sure, but that doesn't mean it's optimal for our digestive system / health or that we are "designed" to eat meat. You can eat paper too, it doesn't mean humans were "designed" to eat paper.
Carnivores have short intestinal tracts that allow meat to pass quickly through their digestive system. Humans’ intestinal tracts are much longer, like those of plant-eaters. This gives the body more time to break down fibre and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods. Although if you can catch an animal in the wild and rip into flesh using your lion like predatory teeth, maybe you were designed to eat meat and I apologise for confusing you with 7 billion other people that don't have that ability.
"why replace it with a fungus made to look like meat (and supposedly taste like meat)"
Why not? Many vegans eat that way for moral reasons - but like many others still enjoy the taste of meat. Trying to replicate the taste artificially, while cutting down the demand for the extremely inefficient, wasteful and environmentally harmful meat industry is the way forward. Personally, I don't plan on having kids so I guess I don't really care what happens to the planet 30 - 40 years from now. Many people fortunately don't share my view and care about having a viable planet for their kids to live on.
You are a sociopath if you eat meat and have no issues with animals being tortured just so you can fill your stomach
There is no such thing as a true free range chicken/egg that you can buy from ASDA etc
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You are a sociopath if you eat meat and have no issues with animals being tortured just so you can fill your stomach
You are a sanctimonious pushbike riding psychopath for trying to inflict your misheld 'beliefs' on others!
I don't eat Quorn for what it's worth, just thought your comment was a tad ignorant. The best vegan (or veggie if that's your preference) meals are way beyond just using meat replacements
Also, nothing wrong with riding a bike as you seem to be attacking that in this thread too
I am not a vegan / vegetarian and I tried their burgers and thought they were quite decent, so just wondering before I purchase.
Either way, imo, it tastes fine. Texture is soft compared to mince, but it didn't put me off. I used it for Bolognese.
#1 Taste pleasure. For many, It tastes great and therefore people gravitate towards eating it.
Every other argument used by meat eaters that have neither researched, fact checked or even used their brains to think things through holds up to logical scrutiny.
First claim:
Humans are designed to eat meat
Incorrect. Humans have neither innate digestive enzymes or systems designed specifically to eat meat. We can eat meat, sure, but that doesn't mean it's optimal for our digestive system / health or that we are "designed" to eat meat. You can eat paper too, it doesn't mean humans were "designed" to eat paper.
Carnivores have short intestinal tracts that allow meat to pass quickly through their digestive system. Humans’ intestinal tracts are much longer, like those of plant-eaters. This gives the body more time to break down fibre and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods. Although if you can catch an animal in the wild and rip into flesh using your lion like predatory teeth, maybe you were designed to eat meat and I apologise for confusing you with 7 billion other people that don't have that ability.
"why replace it with a fungus made to look like meat (and supposedly taste like meat)"
Why not? Many vegans eat that way for moral reasons - but like many others still enjoy the taste of meat. Trying to replicate the taste artificially, while cutting down the demand for the extremely inefficient, wasteful and environmentally harmful meat industry is the way forward. Personally, I don't plan on having kids so I guess I don't really care what happens to the planet 30 - 40 years from now. Many people fortunately don't share my view and care about having a viable planet for their kids to live on.
Good thing about vegans they dont like to talk about it!!! if only do what you want but the constant preaching doesn't help the cause
There is no such thing as a true free range chicken/egg that you can buy from ASDA etc
If you claim to be a feminist but you are not a vegan, then you are a hypocrite.
Enjoy!
Meat Eaters - try it! It contains none of that stuff which turns you into a paranoid ranter, ("bicycle riding"??!!! wtf?!)
Wish could go vegetarian but love nice steaks to much , admire any one that is vegan
or vegetarian
Veganism is about minimising ones negative environmental impact and suffering where possible and practical. This argument gets used so often, while overlooking the very basic flaws in that logic. Which are
1# Livestock still have to be fed, so by keeping and feeding livestock... millions of microorganisms / animals are still killed to produce the food to feed livestock. Livestock are then kept in rubbish conditions their entire lives before being killed themselves too.
2# Comparing the plight of microorganisms - which is nonexistent because they feel no pain whatsoever, nor do they have a consciousness (the same as plants / fungae)... to the very real discomfort and pain livestock go through until they're essentially put out of their misery. Is intellectually dishonest at best, stupid at worst.
I know you're probably just trying to be a clever-dick online, thinking nobody has ever used this genius line of reasoning, but you're a few years too late. Every predictable argument, every cliched "but bacon though" retort. It's all been done to death... it's not new, funny or clever trust me. If you're at all bothered, go read some debates on the subject. Once you've seen all the predictable arguments and you've got them out of your system, start formulating new logical arguments to justify meat eating.
Besides taste pleasure (as mentioned in my other comment). There are some minor niche arguments for eating meat, both can be refuted however.
#1 It's more convenient for bodybuilders to get protein in their diet. Although the total amount of protein required to build / maintain muscle is vastly overstated in the industry anyway. Whether or not the adverse health effects of eating meat - especially processed or red meat is worth "the gains" is subjective. Since it's every bit as possible to build muscle following a vegan diet, it just requires more planning and a knowledge of protein rich foods that go well together to create a complimentary essential amino acid profile (rice and beans for instance).
#2 It's sometimes harder to find vegetarian meal options when eating out. Although really this boils down to supply and demand, and markets accommodating demand. If there were more veges asking for vege options while dining out, restaurants would be more inclined to provide for that market. Think gluten free... many places have options after it was turned into a fad diet.
The difference is, of course, that cows, pigs, sheep are all sentient animals which are capable and subjected to feelings of pain and immense suffering.
Yes, there may be a greater supply, due to an increased demand; we just need to work on lowering prices now.
Oh yes, & furthering education, as you suggested.
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I wouldn't be so quick to judge though, there are plenty of intelligent people that are just misinformed on the subject via upbringing, advertising, shilled science etc. There's also a stigma surrounding veganism about being preachy ******** so it puts people off learning more. Which I understand completely because I didn't want to hear about it until a year or so ago.
well done you have won the debate and the whole internet
Preachy: Definition
Having or showing a tendency to give moral advice in a tedious or self-righteous way.
Quote a single sentence in which I've been preachy. Or even more helpful, provide a logical argument that refutes a single thing I've said. I don't profess to know everything in the world, so if I've provided misinformation or used an illogical argument to debunk a point, please feel free to correct any mistakes - preferably with a logical argument or with a link to a credible peer-reviewed source where applicable. Scientific articles with citations to credible sources are also acceptable.
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