less than 6 grand for a new car is good in anyone's book. heat

Correct. There is no such thing as "to good to be true". The word you are looking for is "too". The phrase then makes sense. :wink:

would rather have a squirrel squashing, deer smacking, driving machine!



The Federal Highway comission has ruled the 
Canyonero unsafe for highway or city driving. 

Canyonero! 

So much utter **** spouted by so many of the ignorant snobs in our society. New car for six grand with a three year warranty, or a used car with no real warranty. Yep, I'll take the new one.

less than 6 grand for a new car is good in anyone's book. heat

Rather have a half decent second hand car thanks , no such thing as to good to be true

I remember when the original C1/107 came out and they were around this price point.

How much value are you likely to lose on this car if you were to own it for 3 years?

would rather have a squirrel squashing, deer smacking, driving machine!



The Federal Highway comission has ruled the 
Canyonero unsafe for highway or city driving. 

Canyonero! 

You ordering a Dacia Duster then? :smile:

Actually that picture looks more like a Dacia Logan. :smile:

How's this a deal? It's Normal RRP?

New features - now comes with a heated rear window and pneumatic tyres.

perfect if you dont want air con XD

Still ugly

My father owns a Dacia Logan. I was dubious at first, but it really is exceptional value for money. It's utilitarian and no frills driving, but he'll have owned it for two years this September, and has had precisely no issues with his Dacia whatsoever. He paid £8.5k for it, pays £20 road tax for the 0.9 turbo model (which is apparently a very recent Renault powerplant, and overtakes on motorways just fine, as demonstrated by him on the M1 yesterday), and the interior is sturdily built. No creaks or rattles. Road noise is a little intrusive, but not bothersome. I can't say anything for the Sandero, but I don't look at Dacias with a grimace anymore.

This is great price for very decent car. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Depends what you want from a car,if like me its just transport, 5-10 miles a day and the odd trip to family and friends it is ideal (I get my kicks from my bike) I am seriously considering one of these on lease, they were up for £89 pm a while back.

Looked at the running costs of my 05 C-Max over the last few years and its cheaper to get one of these every few years.

YMMV tho as my figures include £400/£500 for MOT time the last few years :confused: plus high tax band which puts me on £700 pa before I add in garage work for the odd faults which you get on a 12 year old car.

Sales of this will rocket when (or if) they introduce a diesel scrap page scheme. Figures rumoured suggest £2k - £3.5k (if the mayor of London gets his way) in trade in. So you could potentially get this, spanking new with a 3 year warranty for £2.5k - £4K. Sounds attractive to me, even if it is a Dacia! I believe you can also extend the warranty to 5 years for a few hundred quid!

So thats £83 pm for the Dacia, £277 om for the golf. Quite a difference. Less than 1/3rd of the cost.

If your C Max is a diesel, I'd consider waiting rather than leasing one of these until an announcement is made on the diesel scrap page scheme, it may be better for you to buy one

Haters gonna hate.

This is awesome value for money with very little depreciation and sound reliability. It's won Which! car of the year 5 years running.

Car snobs everywhere.

This looks like a perfectly good car for £6,000, but isn't that the regular price (I'm pretty sure I saw one in the dealer's forecourt at Llandudno Junction at that price 2 weeks ago)?
I've added some heat for this being a good car at a low price, but it isn't really a hot deal.

No Aircon? Didn't know you could still buy a new car without it. As essential as round wheels and a see through windscreen imo.

every time these get posted they get hot, anything else at RRP would get no heat at all. Welcome to hotukrrp :smile:

I wouldnt call this a bargain, more like "you get what you pay for"

Its fine if you don't want any creature comforts. Id hate it for my job though where i do in the region of 30k miles per year.

If I had £6k cash, and I needed a NEW car, I'd probably buy one of these. I'm currently a year into a lease of a Golf Estate R.

Actually, this is a very good car. Warranty and all, but sure, everyone drives Bentleys these days.

I like the Stepway, a bit more expensive but a lot of car for the money. For the size of vehicle nothing can really compare at the price. Ssangyong have a similar vehicle but that's 13k.

Not sure why you'd pay 6k for this, when you could get a significantly better, used car for around the same price, or even less. If buying a new car is so important that you're willing to do without basic features, then may I suggest getting a really good detailing on a used car. From anecdotal evidence, the nice feeling of having a new car lasts for weeks, months if you're lucky. After that there's no difference other than knowing all your parts are newer, but then I'd rather have used quality parts than new crap parts.

So much utter **** spouted by so many of the ignorant snobs in our society. New car for six grand with a three year warranty, or a used car with no real warranty. Yep, I'll take the new one.

You buy a new car because of the warranty. I change mine as soon as warranty runs out. If you can buy a 2nd hand car that still has 3 years manufacturers warranty left then it's an alternative, just you're likely stuck with Kia, Hyundai or a Toyota aygo for £6k.

The Sandero is basically the previous generation Renault Clio - so if you like Renault's then there's nothing not to like here. They're supposed to be better built than they were when they were badged as Renault's too...

Probably means an 8 year old 3 series.
You can buy a porsche cayenne for £6k, doesn't mean you should.

This is standard price for the Sandero. Where is deal?

I was thinking something a little newer and a little more modest, like a 2-4 year old hatchback, you're spoilt for choice with what's on the market at the moment. Sure, none of them are luxury vehicles, but compared to a Dacia Sandero, they may as well be. Mentioning BMWs, you can pick up an old 1 series for cheap as chips nowadays, great motors, you'd have cash to spare too.

A friend of mine bought a Skoda 3 years ago, he recently part exchanged it for a new car & lost £7000-00. Had he bought the Sandero he would have still had the Sandero & £1000-00. Either way he would not have lost as much as he did on The Skoda.

Still need to go the version up at £1,400 more to get the matching bumper, mirrors as well as bunch of other near essentials like automatic windows, central locking, radio, etc.

Great car for the money and if I was looking to buy a new car it would be my first port of call.

BMW 525i
Honda Accord
Toyota Auris etc
From this car deal going hot every time and comments praising it, you can kind of picture the type of people they are and determine their intellect level.

Nicely average looking makes it a viable getaway car and cheap enough to just abandon when no longer needed. Base white makes it easy to respray too. Thanks op.

It's horses for courses and are people no longer allowed to select what they do with their own hard earned without running it past you for your approval? I and many others place a significant value on having a warranty on a vehicle because it much reduces the risk of major repair bills. If any of the cars on the your list went wrong then I'm pretty sure the repair bill would likely be mighty expensive - so I'll go for the low risk vehicle with the warranty - thanks.

Without stiring the pot - this car is too basic for most, unless you start ticking option boxes then it becomes a bit more practical. but then it starts competing with bigger, more established brands that will hold their value better.
If your happy with a car with equipment on the same level as a car from the 1980's then go for the Access.

The jump in price between the no frills Access model to the next model up, the Ambiance is £1400 - which i'd say is pretty much anyones expected requirements (electric windows, stereo, central locking etc) So it becomes £7,395
Then to get to the spec that most manufacturers fit as standard these days (the Laureate) its at least £8,595 (A significant jump from base price)

Personally, i'd rather go for the 2nd hand route for a semi-luxury or high spec car if i had to choose (car approx £2500-£3000) and any repair bills would still leave me with money in my pocket. Each to their own though, just my 2 pence. (y)

WHATS THE SURVIVAL RATE IN ONE OF THESE.....

Practically the same car.

Save your money and buy either a bus pass or a set of trainers

It has air con try looking at the spec sheet, it doesnt have the more expensive climate control.

1.6 petrol I am afraid :disappointed:

Its cheap, but it must be soul destroying to drive. I know it would upset me to have to look at it! However if you just need to pop to the shops or want a cheap run around to put the dogs in there isn't much to loose.....Other than you friends and dignity. But then if you where thinking of buying it that probably isnt a problem.

Actually it calls it air con but the description says heat and ventilation. That is marketing speak for No.

Ironically, a scrappage scheme would be an environmental disaster.
It would cause more pollution than if the diesels were to live their normal lifespan. The Carbon footprint to build a car is pretty much equal to the carbon footprint the car generates in its entire lifetime.
Of course, information like that is quickly swept under the carpet. The same as the fact these new GDI (New Generation Turbo-Petrol) engines emit 10x the particulates of a modern diesel engine.

But people like Sadiq Khan must know what they are doing... :/

Its exactly what older cars have including mine.... its a form of air conditioning!!

Not all carbon particulates are equal though.

Like I said, you buy new to get the warranty. That's the main reason. After warranty out or about to expire I'd rather buy a 5/6 year old car than a 3 year old one. If you want to buy a car still within warranty and with a good chunk remaining for £6k, youre (very) limited in choice.

For me, 100%.

Engine probably made from butter and the body made from tin foil. Apparently it has 16 valves. 8 in the engine and another 8 in the radio .

old Jasper carrot jokes ...

No automatic version. Pity, I need it.

£1295 more gets you the estate version with colour coded bumbers and a couple of other extras.

I understand that Ssangyong provide an industry best 5 year unlimited mileage warranty - so for folks that do high annual mileages these are quite possibly a great choice? Moreover you'll likely get a discount off the new price of circa £2K. Look at the 2nd hand prices for the Tivoli's - you wont find any retailing at less than £9/10K at 2 years old. So as a trade in a 2 year old Tivoli will probably still command £7/8K?
In two years the depreciation on a ssangyong will likely cost £6/8K max. Interesting when you compare this to the cost of the Dacia!!

If I wanted to keep an eye on that, is there a specific link you'd mind sharing. Thanks.

just requested the brochure, looking to get a new car in November - 3 year warranty, 60,000 miles, hope the offer is still on :neutral_face: then

The Lauréate model, with a load of extras still comes in at under £10k. Tempting.

Out of interest, what sort of size are we looking at here for comparison? Polo?

I have a stepway and think it is great, I have the base model which now has aircon, dab radio, leccy windows, bluetooth, decent boot space, it does everything I need to, for half the price of my BH's Mokka, for which she doesn't use half the tech. - I went for the finance deal which gave a five year warranty and £500 off, then settled after a month, which cost me about £90 in interest. Now run in and goes better than you would think.

you could also apply the same (ish) new / second hand argument to houses, I know people that will only buy brand new - they are lucky they will appreciate - I'm not bothered either way - just need to find your right balance.

I'd rather go A to B in a comfortable better made car with heated seats, premium audio system and a widescreen satnav, all for less than £6k and I'd take the risk with my 525i as its a million times better car, which has had a £20 coil pack go wrong in the last 3 years. It's extremely unlikely a Toyota or Honda is going to go wrong which will result in a huge repair bill.
Drive a 2004 Corolla and then a new Dacia, the Dacia will feel unrefined, cheap and nasty and as though something is going to fall of as you drive over a pothole or speed bump.

I come on here looking for hot deals at the top but lately all you get is people posting deals for regular price or get NHS prescriptions for a fraction of the cost with a pre paid card thingy that go mega hot

I feel you misinterpreted my comment. The Golf R lease was approx. £6k for two years, whereas I could have bought a Sandero, and actually had a car... Never mind.

sandero makes me always think of the caminero from the simpsons

I don't like the Dacia adverts, what are they thinking when they imply things are not as they seem? My reaction is the Davis is probably made out of cardboard.?

With your Captain Sensible hat on nobody should buy a new car unless they run a business, then you can offset the depreciation against your profits.
As soon as a new car hits the road it has lost money, that's when you should buy one.

If you wear an Ostrich hat and don't have any money,
then lease or borrow on the never, just like successive governments have done.

the lada of modern times.

It even comes with keep-fit windows!

It's weight reduction for performance reasons.

probably because most of us didnt know you could get a car so cheap

It's to hang your ring doughnut on. Then you have a way of offsetting the calories! :smiley:

Porky Audi drivers take note. :wink:

Polo, Fiesta, Corsa. That kind of size but with a boot that's bigger than a Focus. It really is extraordinarily large for the size of the car

Better value than the overrated German cars that so many people get ripped off with today.

A colleague of mine (a flash ******) picked up a Range Rover Vogue brand new on lease last year, I believe he pays close to 700 quid a month for that. So far he has been to work in his wife's car at least 4 times; when asked he'd sheepishly say it's 'at the dealer'. He has broken down at least twice, and a few times it had refused to start in the morning! I believe it has around 7K miles on the clock.

Dacia designer: "we can make this look like a Mercedes because modern technology means panels are easy to shape"
Dacia manager type: "no we must make it ugly as sin otherwise noone will believe it is this cheap".

I own a vw cc. Not a bad.car but I wish I hadn't traded my Mondeo in.

Just remember that they are priced at £5995 because they are basically sheds on wheels. I got fed up driving Fords, Vauxhalls and Volkswagens got rid of the lot.......bought a 320d BMW with all the toys and never looked back. You get what you pay for .Drive one of these and look like a LOSER. Go and check the classified on a well known car sales website. Type in what you can get for £5995 and you will be amazed. Champagne lifestyle on lemonade money.

Cool story bro.

I have a Range Rover Sport, Its 1 year old with 34k on the clock.
Its been to the dealers twice for a service and hasnt missed a beat.


Mondeos are excellent cars. Still kept mine as a workhorse

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201705155463305?radius=1500&make=BMW&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=6%20SERIES&price-to=6000&price-from=5500&postcode=eh130jl&sort=mileage&body-type=Convertible&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1....would you rather drive a dacia or this BMW

Used 320D - more like Chav lifestyle instead of

My wife has just bought one of these as a run around. 0.9tce engine, metallic grey, 5 year warranty, £20 per year tax. It has air con, electric windows, stop start DAB radio, bluetooth etc.
The first tank of fuel has lasted 600 miles. Traded in a smart forfour worth £400 and i has cost us £7k in total
If we scrap it after the warranty has finished, hey oh £7k over 5 years. Ive lost more than that driving new cars off the forecourt. Its not for everyone, but for some its a bargain.

bit of jealousy methinks..car is only 1 year old and i stay in a 600k house ....definately not a chav lifestyle nor council estate....and i speak from experience about cars having been in car sales . The motor trade dont like them.

Good News!!! The Dacia Sandero is only a little bit cooler than the weather.
Kill me now...

12 year old BMW? Really? BMW is not as good as it once was, I agree that is a nicer looking car than this Dacia, but I bet that BMW will cost a lot more over time than this Dacia, BMW parts are not cheap, were this has 3 years warranty and I bet the parts are a lot cheaper, for some of us its about economy not driving a flashy car.

Also your link doesn't work here is the correct link: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201705155463305?radius=1500&make=BMW&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=6%20SERIES&price-to=6000&price-from=5500&postcode=eh130jl&sort=mileage&body-type=Convertible&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

Made by Renault in Brazil the same car is badged the Renault Duster

I wonder how much a set of tyres costs on that Beemer :confused:

See that:



That's you that is.

It's £5995 folks, even if you'd still be wiser buying second hand... I'm sure this car is better than a Kia Pride, which cost nearly around this much 20 years ago, probably 50% more if you include inflation lol. Heat!

As soon as you choose a diesel engine the price jumps to minimum £9,595.
How can changing the engine add £4,400 ?

Whats the tax on this?

And vehicle tax (£305/year?), and insurance, and fuel....

I looked at what other new cars I can for £6k and it's a Suzuki Celerio. I would stick with the Sandero.

But I'll await the link to a 12 year old BMW that has traveled halfway to the moon.... Oh you don't disappoint! :laughing:

Or you could buy a 63plate higher spec Sandero for £2.5k and pocket the £3.5k. It will also be cheaper to run, tax and insure.

£20

Can it go up the hill

The petrol engine is available with low spec cars, the diesel isn't. I think changing to a diesel (surprisingly) adds £1600

sure it can :wink: I have one from 2013 1.2, engine is weak and loud but ok on fuel and takes you from point A to B

Well, I recently sold my 10 year old X5 3.0D, which had all the toys. It was not heavy on my wallet because I did most of the maintenance work myself e.g. changed a diesel pressure bar sensor, an auxiliary diesel pump, some suspension bushings, and a whistling exhaust manifold, among other minor maintenance items. The Dacia is not for me (I settled for a low mileage 4 year old Volvo XC90, which is a bit more reliable - fewer toys/gadgets to worry about). I did not mean to say all Chavs used BMW :wink:. I too have a 500k detached house (mortgage free) - property prices have shot up in East Anglia.

The Laureate model actually looks decent, with the TCe 90 and some extras it's still under 10 grand.

Lets guess, £100 each for budget ones? :smirk:

I don't know. I looked into this when I needed a new car just before the VED change, someone on here mentioned the Celerio and I looked at that, the Sandero and the Logan.
The Celerio was a better built car, but there is nothing wrong with the Dacias at all. In fact for the cost they are great. The Celerio won for me as it is just such a well thought out car, small but spacious for the size and although I didn't expect it, it does somehow have more of a personality than the Sandero.
I would advise you to try both and see what you think. Everyone has different needs. i just needed a car for local journeys.

There is not much in it. It you need the space get the Sandero and if you want the fuel economy get the Suzuki. They will both get you where you need to go.

We have a C1 in the household that was bought new in 2007 for £6k. While it was never intended to be kept so long it just keeps going. When it works every day seems mad to get rid.

If you aren't a materialistic turd this is a great car.

You're right, not much in it, the Celerio does have really good MPG and will chug along at 30mph in 5th (on the flat) and do a v high MPG, but the boot is small, lots of space in the actual interior though.... well for the footprint :smile: It does it by being high, but it's still very stable, I've done 70+ for an hour on the motorway and it's felt totally stable.
The Celerio feels modern (but very basic), the Sandero felt like a 90's fiesta, but still a new one and everyone I've met who has a Dacia has nothing bad to say about it.
We'd probably be happy with either. Have to say, the Dacia dealer we went to was great, no BS.

Your right, UKs humidity and heat all year round is really something to behold. Wonder why people go abroad?

Seems decent for the price I but would spend a little more and get a better "mainstream" car with more modern design and features from an online car broker. Discounts of up to 20% make some of them look decent value.

Also with regards reviews from existing Dacia owners...beware. Just like skoda owners they always over hype the ownership experience to justify the purchase in their own minds. That's why skoda tends to be top of the ( ridiculously flawed) JD power type surveys....

Just think about it.

I blame it on Brexit.

From whatcar.com "The Sandero managed only manages four stars (out of five) in its Euro NCAP crash test, whereas the best small cars have have five-star scores. "

You spout some absolute rubbish. How can you believe the absolute crap you are stating is true. You are just a typical HUKD snob.

Specifically what is the rubbish that has been spouted?

I thought all cars were £140 maybe a bit cheaper for the first year only, and more expensive for the first 5 years for cars that cost over £30k new?

Also with regards reviews from existing Dacia owners...beware. Just like skoda owners they always over hype the ownership experience to justify the purchase in their own minds. That's why skoda tends to be top of the ( ridiculously flawed) JD power type surveys....
Just think about it.
You spouted this rubbish, not me. Sorry, but you are a w.nk.r..

No it is not.

The diesels are £100 first year then £140 per year
The petrols are £140 per year

source: http://www.nextgreencar.com/car-tax/make-model/dacia/sandero/

What you mean the incredibly well build, well engineered cars from the VAG group?

Tomorrow, go sit inside and drive around in a Dacia and then a VW Polo (twice the price), and report back. If you think the polo is still overrated then I will send you £50 to your PayPal.

I think that happens quite a lot on HUKD, people often confuse things that are good value at a regular price with being a deal. Usually this happens with HiFi equipment, cosmetics and perfume and any old thing that Apple starts selling.
I think you are right about this being the regular price, I'm pretty sure I saw one of these in a dealer's forecourt at this price 2 weeks ago. Whilst this is a sharp price for a new car, and so much better value than a 6 year old BMW or VW, it is certainly not a deal as such.

Preaching to the converted. The polo is one of the worst cars I've driven. In some ways it's worse than this as it would make you depressed thinking you've blown £12k as opposed to £6k. At least you won't get heat stroke in it though.

Mother in law has a stepway from near new. Had reversing camera fitted which only works 50% of the time, heads up display added by dealer but causes car to go in to limp home mode, there's a known issue with the brake reservoir causing it to leak, had to wait 3 months topping up fluid daily for the part to be made and shipped from Romania. You get what you pay for.

A lexus it isn't.

...I've driven both and I think the Polo is worth nowhere near twice the price. May I have £50 as well please?

I can see if you are a skoda or Dacia owner then you could take exception to that.
However it's just my opinion and there is some element of truth in it...
As I said in at the start of my original post, it is decent value but there are better options/deals out there if you stretch the budget a little.

Hmm, if I were looking at this Sandero then it would probably be our second car runaround, and whilst an Auris might fit that bill, the 5 series and the Accord are really not the right sort of vehicle for that.

When I picture the type of people putting the Dacia Sandero down, the over-riding image is Alan Partridge.

No.

pull the trigger !

VW Group cars not even on my list, I get to drive one often (Golf) and they are mediocre at best. Yes, I'd take the Dacia.

What a complete waste of space on this page

Why did you do that? I've added you to my ignored spammers list but feel free to explain to the rest of the users

So if they made a higher RRP, then discounted it like many manufacturers, would it be a deal then?

and yet another one ignored, please could a few more of you pos image spam?, I may as well get you out of the way too

Do what? Post a message on a public forum that I've been a member of for 6 years?

For the benefit of the rest of the users (none of who have complained like you), this was James May of Top Gear fame giving an approving nod to this deal. If you've never watched Top Gear you won't understand.

I was looking forward to this weekend but it's been ruined now since you added me to your ignore list zizzles :laughing:

Hope you didn't get an N47.... because those timing chains love to wear out prematurely. Wouldn't be too bad to replace but someone thought to put the chain at the back of the engine. Budget around £200 / £5000 or maybe a new engine. Oh and hope your xenon bulb doesn't go, bumper off job to replace that, atleast it is on the E92/3. #Germanengineering

German reliability is nothing but a myth. All car manufacturers use the same parts from Bosch, Delphi, Siemens, Denso, Valeo etc etc, just packaged up differently. From my experience, BMW put all of their R&D into the interiors and skimp on the mechanicals, to the point it really is designed to last the warranty and that's it. That "sealed for life" gearbox you have in your BMW? The oil inside has a shelf life of 4 years, simply sat in a bottle on a shelf. Hate to think what it would be like in a working gearbox.

Back on point - horrible deal, you either don't have essentials such as electric mirrors / central locking / rear speakers (yeah that's still a thing apparently), or pay a lot more which ruins the appeal of the car in the first place. Much better to buy a used car for £4k and budget £2k for repairs. When nothing goes wrong (most cars don't unless you have inherent flaws in the design- but then a quick google will highlight those), you still have money in the bank, driving a much comfier / faster / cheaper to run / economical car.

I know which one I'd rather pay the upkeep on over 5 years.

If you can cope with the badge snobbery (as exemplified by some of the **** comments on here) and treat it as an appliance just like a fridge or vacuum cleaner, its a bit of a bargain. Updated with a modern 3cylinder multivalve engine, not tiny VW Up sized and still a couple of grand (30%!) cheaper than a 2 year old basic Fester.

Sounds attractive to me, even if it is a Dacia! I believe you can also extend the warranty to 5 years for a few hundred quid!

This kind of car is for people that don't like driving.

I think it is a great deal. I've often thought about one of these as my next car. In my mind it is all about depreciation, and at this price, if you extend the warranty and keep it 5 years, it is almost a throw away item, as just over a grand depreciation per year is outstanding in the world of motors. In reality, you would get some money back, maybe a grand and a half, so outstanding value if you are not a car snob.

"very decent car"
it must be an exaggeration surely
I think you should rephrase that :smile:

exactly
you have to look at your personal circumstances and why your buying this
I don't love the car and would do anything to avoid buying it but I can imagine buying it in some situations
for me the name Dacia sounds wrong for starters..and I don't care how much their production has improved :smile:

Zontes, just be happy that your 23yr old Felicia is still running strong eh? Why care about his opinion lol..

Heated rear window in case your hands get cold pushing it! :wink:

spot on Sir!

I dunno. If you like your cars like you like your white goods (utilitarian, and nothing more) then it's perfect for you.

I personally think value can be expressed in a fully loaded used car better than it can in a communist spec brand new Dacia.

Ceausescu Chariot. I really like western decadence though.

But that's only my opinion.

Ouch! That's gotta hurt!

You should learn a thing or two about new cars before you make stupid remarks, even in Spain some of the base cars from differing manufacturers come with no air con.
And another thing a wheel by definition has never been anything other than round, unless of course you are a marketing expert that designs things like the Austin AllAgro.

It does not have air con, you try learning how to read a spec sheet, and no Dacia has climate control.
As additional information for others rather than make another post I will tell you all that come August my Dacia Lodgy will be five , yes five years old and has safely and comfortably taken me from both the local shops and journeys from Spain to the UK several times without breakdown and has cost me around the £400 mark in servicing costs including the oils etc. the durability is fantastic and people who I transport in it even today say what a nice car this is and spacious.
Now this car is not available in the UK but uses many of the same components as all the other Dacia products its just the body shape and suspension that changes.
Now this car is approx. the size of a Ford Focus estate with a bigger capacity with the rear seat folded position than a Volvo estate, this car cost me £12000 equivalent and was a £5000+ saving on a Focus of the same level of extras I chose and I didn't have to fit extras that I would not use to get one that I wanted and needed, so I think a great bargain.
Now in my past I have gone from second hand to new and back to second hand and back again to new, and this has served me well at the time, but this time brand new and with a second-hand price tag is greater than great value and is my second Dacia. We have had them for longer here in Spain.
Oh and I get between 57 and 62 miles per gallon between tank to tank fill ups which I still check every fill up, diesel 1.5 dCi.

If you go to the Dacia Forum site you will find quite a lot of disgruntled Dacia owners who have had problems. Unfortunately a lot seem to be because they are first time new buyers that just don't understand. For instance they just seem to think that because the car is more cost effective than other makes that the price of servicing and repairs should be cheaper also, for instance they do a little damage to the car, never their fault, and can't understand that it costs £260 to make it good. They seem to think that the repairer should charge less because it is a Dacia but still want the same quality of repair you get on a Mercedes, or that the oil for the engine should be cheaper. Owner reports can be very misleading, for instance if my car was continually in for work on it I would remember every little detail, but because my car is so reliable and the dealer so reliable I forget the 3 minor warranty issues I have had in almost 5 years, so when asked I always say never had a problem.
Talking of dealer satisfaction I reported a fault when in for service and was told 2 weeks for the replacement, they phoned me and said when can you come I said I can come Thursday and was told just call in I called in mid morning whilst out getting my shopping and they called a man who was working on another car and he did the job in half an hour and I was on my way . None of this, bring your car in at 8 in the morning and it will be ready from 4.30 PM lark mate.

Jay the problem you refer to of the brake fluid reservoir was over 3 years ago, I have just spent some time on the Dacia forum site and as a time served motor mechanic I can not see or understand what the problem was as there was no reported cure, reports just seemed to fade away.
What was happening could only have been caused by overfilling of the reservoir which has a minimum and maximum mark on it, the oil is taken from the cylinder when the brakes are applied and returned when the brakes are released and is a semi-sealed system in that the requirements for the braking side are sealed in the line and cylinders by the oil in the reservoir but not sealed completely as the oil has to return to the reservoir for future applications. if the reservoir was overfilled this could and seamed to allow some of the oil to leak out of the filler cap air flow system caused when as in the only cases reported when parked on a slope in a forward direction and due to the shape of the reservoir. this would never have caused the reservoir to empty an would not cause a danger but just an inconvenience. No recall was ever instigated.
The extras in your Mother-in-Laws were down to the dealer not Dacia.

Agree with all of that.

The base Sandero is good value but I think you'd be much better off with one model up - the Ambience.

Extra £1k gives you a stereo with Bluetooth (no stereo at all in the base model), central locking, electric windows and air con - making it a much more pleasant place to be, plus much more sellable when you're done.

There's a deal on at the moment for £400 deposit contribution and free 5 year warranty from Dacia themselves

http://offers.dacia.co.uk/cars/sandero

If I was in the market for this, I'd take this deal then pay off the finance - giving me the upgraded spec and a 5 year warranty for around £6600. Now that is a bargain!

Yeah I got a new alto, 4 years later I struggled to sell for 2 grand. Been burnt before. I'm thinking in get a tivoli but pay minimum payments, trade in after 3 years, even if it's just for another tivoli

You have to be NUTS to buy this junk over a nearly new VW Polo.

Look at it! It looks like it belongs in the 3rd world.

I thought that the tax laws changed this year for new cars and all cars are a minimum of £120?

But the equivalent priced 5 door Polo from a dealer wont be nearly new will it? It'll be at least 3 years old if you're happy to accept a mileagy one...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201705235735066?sort=sponsored&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&year-from=2014&maximum-mileage=60000&make=VOLKSWAGEN&advertising-location=at_cars&model=POLO&minimum-mileage=40000&price-to=6000&quantity-of-doors=5&postcode=m308bq&fuel-type=Petrol&radius=1500&page=1

OR at least 4 years old for one with less miles. Thats well outside manufacturers warranty and in to the realms of MOT, maintenance, etc.

If i was in the market for something like this i'd personally do what was proposed earlier - go for the next model up which gets you electric windows, aircon, colour coded bumpers, DAB radio at £7395, take the finance offer with the £400 contribution, cancel it and thus have the car @ £6995.

You've managed to show pics of the previous version, also a nearly new Polo suffers the same problem as the Fester, it will be £2-3K more. For around £6k you are looking at 13/14 reg out-of-warranty 40,000+ miles models, complete with all the potential MOT and repair expenses that people avoid with a new car. I ran a nearly new Polo back in the late 90s for about 4 or 5 years. Failed every MOT, worst car I ever owned for durability.

You pays your money etc

As a side note a friend recently bought a new model Sandero Ambience. In the past he's done exactly what some of the people here are suggesting, he bought used 4/5 year old cars from a mid range manufacturer. He would then occasionally get bills of a couple of hundred pounds for various repairs, plus usually around £400 each MOT time. Plus of course a 4 year old car will still depreciate..

He (quite rightly) got sick of this so has bought one of these brand new. He knows it'll depreciate, but he'll have no maintenance concerns for the warranty period (5 years) and the car itself has lots of room, is a decent thing to drive and is great on fuel. He's over the moon with it.

I know it won't please a lot of the people on here but not everyone wants to get up to the eyeballs in chucky to have a shiny BMW or Audi neighbour pleaser on the drive. Just a simple car that will do it's job without fuss is perfect fine for some.

Hot deal

Can extended the warranty to 7 years, with the added cost of the warranty it would still loses less than £1k per year over 7 years plus as this car is based on an old reliable Clio (yes, over a decade ago Renault made a reliable car) it should last over 10 years.

Absolute bargain

Looks fine

No, the pictures i've provided are of the NEW version. The £6,000 car will look EXACTLY like the pictures.

It won't, different grille and bumper design for a start.

Oh yes, MUCH BETTER!!

I can't wait to impress my friends.

It's not that model though, is it?

Just for info, its NOT based on an old Clio. Its a fresh custom designed and built platform.

Really?

You'd have to wonder why they put a 62 plate on the car then wouldnt you....

Like most selling in life the headline price for the entry level model, and once in the door they upsell to you.

I personally would be looking colour coded bumpers, aircon, electric windows and DAB and that can be had for £1,000 more (if you take out the finance and then cancel it). It would be well worth it. Based on how view of the poverty spec ones i see about, thats what most people are doing.

Its personally not for me, however i can see beyond my own little world to know that there are a lot of people it will suit.

Arguing from your own subjective viewpoint is a bit silly really. You need to look at the bigger picture.

Less than if you bought a car costing twice the price, I would imagine.

You are missing the point of a new car for £6,000, it's not to willy wave to your friends/neighbours/work mates. It's main (only?) desirability is the price. A new reliable A-B transport vehicle if you don't have the cash to splash or prefer to splash what cash you have on other things like mortgagees, holidays, new kitchen etc. You pays your money......

Its a shame (but not unsurprising given the price) the entry level car continues to have black bumpers, but i'd say they know that most people will come "in the door" because of the headline £5995 price and then pick one at least a little further up the range

Yes it's a bargain if you want a new car as a runabout or A-B (and sometimes C) transport.

But...

It's not a "deal"...£5995 is the RRP and has been for ages!

Can't understand why getting voted so hot...Now if it was £5994???

You can negotiate a £25 discount on them apparently!

Bit different to a Citroen or Skoda where you can get thousands off the inflated list price

Horse manure advice

had a look on the little well known used car website website for a BMW . I looked in the £6500 region on the basis that you can consistently negotiate £500 off the price with little effort .

first I looked at the lowest mileage example BMW's I could get for that money a H reg with 15k miles I'm afraid your simpleton peers who laugh at you for driving a dacia will laugh just as much if you turn. up in a car from the last century .
After that I found another 2 at 40&45k both 2.0l 3 series's . both around 10 years old. 134 and 165 miles from my house . with private sellers

okay I now decided actually I'd rather have a car from the last decade and in the case of the h reg one from this century . So decided to look for cars from. 2012 making them a max 5 years old . same £6500 budget . lowest mileage example was 97.5k , then 109k then 127k . all 2.0l petrols . and all over 140 miles from me .a mix of traders and private sellers

So in conclusion . for around the same sort of money you can get a BMW . But you have a choice between a 10 year old one with reasonable mileage or a newer one that has done 90k+ . Now I know high mileage doesn't necessarily mean the car is dead but you are taking a bigger gamble with no warranty to back you up . How do you know how the car has been driven ? how do you know what oil the person has been using or if they have been checking/topping up between services ,how do you know they haven't been riding the clutch everywhere ,how do you know without a mechanical inspection that they have used OEM equivalent suspension/brake/engine. parts you simply don't .

then there is the fact that buying a used car you might not be able to find an example in decent proximity to your house . And if it's a private seller you have to negotiate viewing / test driving (are you insured?) and going to collect the car around someone else's work/personal life . I would hazard a guess that most people will have a Renault dealer within 40 miles of them , and you can check their businesses hours online in minutes

All the BMWs I saw for £6500 also had 2.0l petrol engines . I'd hazard a reasonable guess here but I suspect people looking at a budget car like the Sandero don't want a car that will cost them the equivalent of the Sanders monthly finance payment . Talking about budget conscious Sandero buyers I doubt they want a car in a daft insurance group lime the BMW either .

And when your used BMW breaks it has the potential to cost you a fairly decent sized fraction of the Sanderos cost . And because you just spent all your money on a 5 year old car with 100k on the clock and a vauge service history you will be getting the bus to work . if your peers have the same simple mentality as you in considering dacia drivers loosers then I think they might have something to say when they see you waiting for the bus .

Quite simply your advice to people looking at a budget car like a Sandero is way off the mark, I notice in later posts you try and say you know what you are going on about and used to work in car sales . Me thinks that you did not do very well when you used to work in car sales because with this advice you have offered you have failed completely to understand the target audience . Had you said buy a used example of something you could get a decent example of for £6k like a Punto fair enough . there still are issues with that advice but it's better than advising people looking at budget to buy a 10 year old or 5 year old high mileage car just cos it's got a BMW badge on the bonnet and steering wheel . You are right you get what you pay for and a BMW for dacia money clearly that is unlikely to end well .

A point of view that seems well thought out, and reasonable enough to me

I remember an episode of Top Gear, where they all picked up cheap Mercs and ran them as an everyday car. Clarkson's broke down after 2 weeks, James May pressed him for a price on what it cost to repair it. It was a ridiculous fee. If you run an old luxury car and you are not capable of professional maintenance (some people are, granted) for heavens sake don't buy one, you will pay through the nose for parts and labour. There is simply no comparison between this option and a brand new guaranteed Dacia....financially speaking.

The motoring press tell me your wrong , it's based on the MK2 Clio

Which is no bad thing, probably the most reliable car Renault produced over the past 20 years

ACTUALLY - you're right. I've just had a read up there and its based on an updated previous Clio platform.

My bad.

You learn something new every day, eh?

bristol motors are offering £500 off every new car until tomorrow, so you can get this Dacia for £5495 if you are quick.

Its unusual to get any discount on Dacia cars

a few pre-registered 17 plate models on autotrader, should be able to get a few £100 off

an example
http://www.hendyrenault.co.uk/used-cars/dacia/sandero/1-0-sce-access-5dr/aetv17117641/

check auto trader, few more around the country on there

Yeah I was always under the impression that it was an updated former clio platform albeit with modern renault engines with the 1.5dci and the 0.9tce options for the engine

I was way out. I thought it was a Dacia designed platform. :rolleyes:

Good to have the info, so thank you :smiley:

That's certainly a good run with an RR Sport, I do hope your luck holds out for the foreseeable future:
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/118
http://jalopnik.com/my-range-rover-s-carmax-warranty-is-now-half-over-and-i-1733772237

Hopefully Indian ownership has had a positive impact of late.

Excellent deal, a brand new car with warranty for £6k. Doesn't bother me what badge is on the front of my car because I have a big cock.

We have a Dacia Logan - bought brand new. I cannot recommend it enough. Basic yes and no flashy interiors. But all parts are Renault branded and had no problems whatsoever. Roomiest boot on the market and all 3 kids (nearly teenagers) have plenty of room. I would recommend Dacia 100%

I managed to get mats with mine, plus the advice from the dealer on how to save £500 for an outlay of about £90 and get a five year warranty. Also comes with 3 years breakdown cover. I have run second hand cars for a few years and my Dacia gives me peace of mind, I have to say I thought long and hard about it, but it made sense (to me) rather than another four year old car with no warranty. My missus leases, but she is now considering a Duster in two years.

I love my hubbys sandero. I wnt my own one now. We have everything in ours. Ac, usb, bluetooth.... the list goes on. If i have the £6000 id be straight out getting 1 right now. Xx

Well, that's 5 or 6 positive comments in a row. Looks like we are all agreed then. The Dacia Sandero is the greatest car to ever grace the tarmac of a British road for the money. That's that then.

Yeah, spending a couple of grand sorting out BMW sensors, or Audi engines, or Mercedes suspension. All good budgeting ideas...

Having owned everything from an 1980s Chevy Camaro, to an Impreza WRX, to a Nissan Leaf, the Dacia Sandero will be incredible value for money for many people and it's completely justified at having a post on HUKD.

Obviously there are people who wouldn't be seen dead driving anything other than a German brand (because what will their friends will think?!) but that's their problem (and wallet).

What is "Manual air conditioning"? Not that I actually want one...just curious!

Not climate control.

Would this car be just as popular if James May had never mentioned it? :smile:

I got stuck behind one of these on the motorway yesterday, old bloke driving under 50mph. I guess he had his foot to the floor as it was uphill. 0-62 is 14.2 seconds, its 2017!! One of my cars is a 14 years old, 1.2 clio and is 12.5 seconds to 60. I used to drive a company car as slow as this Dacia, it was slow getting up to speed on motorways, struggled on hills and pulling onto country roads was a risk as getting up to speed was a danger on the road. I guess its Ok if your only drive around town.

You could buy one of these and run it for 2 years and then sell it on, just looked on autotrader and 2014 cars are all over £4K

I think this hits the nail on the head. I'm looking into buying/leasing my first 'new' car and seeing this deal I got interested as I'm not overly fussed about aesthetics. But as soon as I ticked the boxes to give it pretty standard and imo definitely required features I was left with options over 9k.

Very few, if any, of those will be the base spec car i.e. the 6k version this deal is highlighting. They'll be ones with air con, radios, electric windows etc. that add a couple k to the price at least. Still decent value but not quite the insane bargain it would be if your 6k car was still valued at 4k 2-years down the line.

ahh the good old "so little power it's dangerous" comment

If the guy in your little anecdote really did have his foot to floor then all that demonstrates is poor driving . using the gearbox would have meant that he could hold speed or accelerate on the hill .

But having driven a car with a similar power to Wright ratio it seems more likely that he was on of those old people you often see on the motorway too scared to go over 50 . I've driven some pretty lowly powered cars and all managed to hold 65-70 on the motorway even going uphill without use of the gearbox .

plenty of cars on sale at the moment with similar and Worse acceleration , Corsas,Aygos , VW up and VW polo just to name a few . Sure some of the smaller engined fords,Nissan's , Peugeot's and Citroen's will be the same .

I've driven cars with slow acceleration like that before and as long as you pull out with a bit enough gap there is nothing dangerous about it. Should be leaving a big enough gap anyway . Too many idiots in vaugely powerful cars thinking they are Lewis Hamilton pulling out with far too small a gap and then cocking up a gear change or something leaving the driver now behind them having to slow down .

I'm a firm believer that a slower car can make you a better driver.

Yep just ordered one with the £500 quid off, have the paperwork in front of me

£5581 which includes the 1st years tax @£160 (was (£30 before April :disappointed: ) tho he did try to sneak the £332 protection pack in, I put a grand down to lower the £109 pm price to £84 pm .

Worked out that my 05 C-Max had been costing me about £800 pa (MOTs repairs etc)before tax , petrol or insurance this is £900 a year worry free motering.

Suits me as I have been 35 years a biker , so get my kicks from that, the car is for 10 mins to work and back, shopping and the occasional 30 mile round trip to my parents with my little one.

Air con , would be nice to have but has not worked in my last 3 ten year old cars so nothing new , Hi-Fi got a £300 unit in my C-Max so thats going in (just gotta get some speakers) leccy windows will be the one thing I miss but not worth a thousand pounds to upgrade.

I would prob have went for that deal also, BUT The small print says its based on 6000miles P.A.. It says excess miles charged at 8p per mile. I don't quite get this but I'm assuming if you drive say 10000miles P.A. they will charge an extra £320 P.A. to keep the warranty valid?

Sounds more like that finance deal is a PCP . so the mileage is limited with PCP cos there is every chance you can. give the car back

Have owned a Sandero Stepway for three years (similar to the standard sandero but with *very* mild offload pretentions, think Chelsea Tractor, without the tractor, and not in Chelsea)

Mine is all a bit plasticy, build quality looks a little bit "social housing" but (touch wood) absolutely nothing wrong with it - the question isn't so much why is this car so cheap, as why are other cars so expensive.

Twenty years ago, people used to tell skoda jokes, after vw bought them, they don't any more, this is the Renault equivelant.

If you choose diesel engine, the price change to 9 599... the promotion is only for petrol engine!

personally I'd pay the extra £3.5k for the diesel, safe in the knowledge you'd recoup the difference after driving to the moon and back.

Diesel is not for everyone. My last 16 years of motoring across 4 cars have been Diesel. Moving forwards I may think more carefully about fuel type. There are DPF considerations if your daily mileage is low and also there's now talk of a diesel tax for going into some City Centres. Just a consideration.

There's a New Duster and a Grand Duster coming out next year :smiley:

Personally I'm holding out for a Tesla Model 3, but fair play.

Electric is your best bet...

If you're just doing short journeys you would hav ebeen much better served with a second hand Leaf or another electric car. Extremely low running costs, better performance, more space, solid reliability and a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

For this price it just needs a bit of pimping to make it look a bit better like some do with the Dusters :sunglasses:



^^^ That I like!!!

For the Rally X look:



:smile:

Completely agree , ive got a diesel now and my next car will be a petrol .

Tbh the modern turbocharged petrol engines are offering very competitive MPG figures these days anyway

Mother in law brought one of these last month. Looks cheap, feels cheap, Is cheap.... can't complain for the price..

Is it where you get Andrew Sachs to blow on you?

Good to see that ABS and traction control are included in the price.
Slightly irritating that it's £100 more if you want an emergency spare wheel.

They have to be included, ABS and ESP are required by law (traction control require the same hardware so are usually both included).
Emergency spare wheels have been an option for ages now, £100 is actually quite cheap for that option, think VWs are £300??

These cars aren't cheaper because they're dangerous, they're cheap because all of the expensive engineering and certification has been done on a previous car (clio) and all of the expensive options are frivolous features have been stripped out (AC etc). VW/Audi do similar with Seat/Skoda, except they feature fancier toys and plastics and therefore don't cost as little.

that seems to be standard with a lot of manufactures today unfortunately . a friend just got a polo and VW wanted £120 for a space saver

he left it and got a full size spare with an almost brand new tyre from a breakers yard for £50

What about overtaking? the longer you are on the other side of the road the more dangerous it is. Cars with poor acceleration are often far more dangerous than a faster accelerating car when driven safely.

drive according to the capabilities of the vehicle you are in and you will have no problems .

this might mean sometimes you won't be able to overtake . that's something you take with the car you choose to buy .

far more accidents caused by numpties getting excited in powerful motors . just because your car accelerates a bit quicker does not mean it defies the laws of physics .

I agree very much that you have to base your driving on the performance of the car you are driving at the time. However in general I think a quicker accelerating car is safer when overtaking, if driven sensibly; have you driven such a car? I have only driven one such car. The dangerous drivers I think would be dangerous in almost any car, though I appreciate in a quicker accelerating car they will be going faster by the time they realise they’re in trouble.

I think some accidents are caused by slower accelerating cars where the driver gets frustrated they can't safely overtake and ends up making a dangerous manoeuvre. For long journeys ideally I would personally recommend a car no slower than 0-60 in 10 seconds. However many family cars fall into this bracket.

This works out at around 6800 euros; Sanderos are 8000-9000 euros here in France; wish I could get a LHD one for the UK price ...

We are still in the EU (just), free movement of goods and services, single market/customs union etc etc so you should be able to order a LHD from the UK. But the manufacturer and the bureaucrats won't let you make it easy....... and be quick before Mark Carnage puts the interest rate backup to where he should have left it after the vote, making it cost more in the UK again.

I bought the 107 for six thousand pounds three years ago. Deal found on hotukdeals. Love it still

I've had my C1 for 8 years and also love it despite it not having a lot of the mod cons. £25 tyres, £20 road tax and still does 60mpg if you want a cheap car to run you will struggle to beat it.

I recently got a new car on a personal lease and tried to sell the C1. Was only offered £1,000 so decided to keep it as a second car.

Apparently not a deal so not heat, but great value, Not a car snob myself. In fact I don't even get it, being a long term Skoda owner ( oh and I've just acquired a MGF for free too lol) . Half the time they are driving audis/vw/mercs that they can barely afford at the lowest engine spec then drive about like they are the "boss". Okay you get better spec inside normally paying several times over for that premium, I suppose they get somewhat better depreciation but over time lost money is lost money and I buy used / nearly new if possible and keep long term
. I have destroyed far more expensive equipment in either of my Skodas, my 1.9Tdi vRS mk1 Fabia, if that doesn't work then the Octavia mk3 TFSI (mappable to 300hp) should do the job for most average "Premium" pleb-class cars - including underpowered heavy Tdi's. Kia is another model definitely worth a look, but pricier. Only thing wrong with the Dacia on face value is the names, they sound utter ****. Sandhero ? Dustbuster ? :smile:

So this drops £3k of its value, vs £10k for the Golf?
Either way it's 50% each so you can't really say it's better at keeping it's value. Or did I miss the point?

I guess it depends on how you look at it I guess , I have probably spent over £2000 (maybe even £2500) over the last 3 years on my 12 year old car on MOTs and repairs , just MOT'd it last week and another £400 bill , (pads, bearings and shock+labour)

So spend an extra £500-£1000 over the same 3 years gets me a new car with NO worries about MOTs or Repairs, cheap insurance and tax and much better MPG..

Works for me and can live without the extras ......anyhow my C-Max central remote locking and aircon have not worked for years and have a top end music system which will go in it, tho the lack of leccy windows will be weird :confused: ........oh well my first car never had them either (Vauxhall Viva) :smiley:

That's a completely valid point. I was just being flippant about the original comment, (again unless I missed the point) they were making, about one car losing half it's value over 3 years vs another, which seems to be the same thing to me... also I know nothing about cars.. :wink:

Any new car from the last 10 years or so have to be fitted with ABS and traction control. It's an EU legal thing. So whilst you say good to see it's included in the price, it would be impossible not to!!!

Manual Air Con means you get an on / off switch for the Air Con compressor, you would then dial in the temp via the Hot / Cold knob which for most people works just fine. By contrast an auto Air Con system (Or as it's better known - Climate control) you would select a temperature (sometimes dual zone even to keep the passenger different to the driver) and the car would try to maintain that temp. in the cabin.

Its nowhere near 10 years for traction control . It was made mandatory for new type approvals in the EU from 2011 and mandatory for all new cars registered from 2014 as per regulation (EC) No 661/2009 .So mandatory traction control is a fairly recent development . Ive got a car from late 2011 that has no ESP for example .

As for ABS that has been mandatory since 2004 on all new cars registered . But to be honest has been a standard item on almost all road cars since the late 90's .

OK so 13+ years for ABS not 10 and 3+ Years or so for Traction control. The fact remains that the poster said it was good of Dacia to include these in the price. My point was that they have to include it as it is mandatory on all new cars to have these features. I wrongly assumed traction was added at the same time as ABS. Cheers for the clarification. I think I got confused as like you point out many cars have had it much earlier as std equipment.

If you want it in orange! It'll cost you.

£5000 extra.

wtf.?

I love your avatar

You can get a really decent used car for the same price with a warranty (e.g. Toyota Yaris). These cars are utter garbage.

The warranty on used cars are very limited, also most require you to pay out first and then you have to hope you get reimbursed.

Fair point. But I'd personally take my chances on a generally reliable make like Toyota any day. You're not going in blind either because you can check the history of the car to see what issues it's had (and mileage etc.). Buying it new you may end up with one built on a Friday.

thank you :smile:

utter garbage? based on? and for reference ex Renault salesman, grew up in the garage trade (mot, servicing, recovery, bodyshop) and I have driven a lot of cars, after years of second hand motors I bought a Dacia, price for spec. for warranty and have been pleasantly surprised.

A 53 plate Toyota Yaris for 500 quid would probably be more sensible.

Till it needs a new exhaust, then some tyres, a few months later the £300 mot bill, then a few weeks later the clutch start slipping.