Jaguar XE R-Sport £299 month PCH Lease, 1 x23 payments = - £7174.56 @ Stratstone

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Jaguar XE R-Sport £299 month PCH Lease, 1 x23 payments = £7,174.56 @ Stratstone

£7174.56 Stratstone2 Jun 17

Source: HotUKDeals | Deals > Other

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KnightInd2000

2 Jun 17

I have this car on a 4 year lease and I love it!.
I'm paying slightly less per month, but had this deal been on the table I think I would've pick this instead. Mainly to avoid the 'out of warranty' 4th year.

Yes the basic mileage allowance is only 5,000 a year but I'm part of the 40% of drivers who do this kind of mileage. And the trouble is, I like nice cars. Please don't waffle on about pence per mile because I'm not going to drive up and down the country just to bring this down and make you happy!

So if you do a higher mileage then you probably have 5 options;

1) Work out the extra cost based on an excess charge which is usually about 12p per mile. (It's not listed but mine is just under 12p and there was a deal on here a couple of month's ago and that was just over 12p so it should be there abouts). i.e 8,000 miles a year would work out at £30 a month extra
2) Lease a cheaper car
3) Get a job nearer home
4) Move home to be nearer to work
5) Post a scathing comment below :smirk:

So not for those looking for a cheap commute but if you want a nice car then this works out to be cheaper than buying one and then suffering the depreciation.

Car Buyer Best Buys link

NB: I've also noticed that they have the same car but with a 'Driver Pack' for £319 a month. This adds;
• Metallic paint – worth £650
• Privacy glass - worth £370
• Cold climate pack (heated front windscreen, heated washer jets, heated steering wheel) – worth £435
• Parking pack (front parking aid, reverse park camera) – worth £530

with Driver Pack link

Top comments

alu355 to TANDY

2 Jun 17 43 #4

Think of it like going to watch a movie

damcnaught to TANDY

2 Jun 17 17 #6

1) work out the depreciation on owning the car new / nearly new over a given period of time.

2) work out the cost of leasing the car over the same period.

If 2 is less than 1, leasing may be a good deal, especially if you have better things to do with thousands of pounds than have it stuck in a depreciating asset.

MisterMadHatter

3 Jun 17 11 #58

No way! Was that you driving around Dudley at the weekend? Me and my little boy waved at you but I don't think you saw us. We managed to get a photo though.

http://www.patent-cn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010090815.jpg

zx636r to TANDY

2 Jun 17 9 #5

Here we go.
:neutral_face:

All comments (183)

puddles9999

2 Jun 17 1 #1

Looks great, enjoy!!!

scottishpunter

2 Jun 17 3 #2

Just ordered XF on a similar deal from Peter Vardy.

https://www.petervardy.com/jaguar/offer/xf-r-sport

krishman to scottishpunter

3 Jun 17 #39

That looks like a cracking deal! Thanks for the link, I would prefer the XF personally

TANDY

2 Jun 17 8 #3

Don't really get the benefits of leasing, all that money and you dont get anything at the end.

alu355 to TANDY

2 Jun 17 43 #4

Think of it like going to watch a movie

zx636r to TANDY

2 Jun 17 9 #5

Here we go.
:neutral_face:

damcnaught to TANDY

2 Jun 17 17 #6

monkeyhanger75 to TANDY

2 Jun 17 #20

Don't really get the point of playing the Bangernomics game of chance, will probably need new tyres/pads/discs early doors, will give considerably lower mpg (due to advancements in newer cars and yours likely having clogged injectors), will probably cost more to tax and insure than a newer car, and if you're lucky, you won't have anything major go pop out of warranty. It will still depreciate (although maybe not more than a grand a year if you're in 7+ years old territory).

Aeschylus to TANDY

2 Jun 17 #32

Simple, if an asset depreciates, rent it.

siadwel to TANDY

2 Jun 17 4 #33

Think of it as a bit like joining a deals site and then not posting any deals.

jaydeeuk1

2 Jun 17 1 #7

Not only that, leasing tends to include road fund licence, going for a car with list price of over £40k thats another £1200+ saved over 3 years (this isn't, but just an example)

The one with the driver pack is the better deal imo, comes to £7648.80

Whats the deal with the DPF, is this something covered under warranty? Mate at work has an audi a6 all road on lease but only the first DPF fault was cleared for free, subsequent were charged.

miykk

2 Jun 17 #8

What is your approach to calculating depreciation? look at similar used cars?

chrisnoon74

2 Jun 17 #9

have some heat, not sure why this is going cold

nivvy34

2 Jun 17 1 #10

Looks a great deal, my 30 month old BMW 5 has depreciated more than that since I purchased it 18 months ago. In respect of the comment re calculating depreciation try Autotrader or if you have a reg no try we buy anycar.

tattertatter

2 Jun 17 2 #11

This is quite useful for depreciation estimates if it's a fleet type car.

http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/car-running-costs-calculator?Years=4&Miles=80000&CarType=&Manufacturer=jaguar&Model=xe&CO2From=&CO2To=&BIKPriceFrom=&BIKPriceTo=&SortBy=IsFleetPick&SortDesc=False&FuelType=diesel

118luke

2 Jun 17 1 #12

OP i think your going to the extreme to try and justify your case. Where do you get the idea 40% of drivers do less than 5k miles per annum? Considering the average mileage is 10k, i highly doubt that 40% of all drivers do less than 5k per annum.

Ive always said the same, if you do so little mileage, you must ask yourself: "Do i really need a car?"
IMO users who barely drive a car hardly need one except for the odd trip away (which can be done on the train anyway)

KnightInd2000 to 118luke

2 Jun 17 3 #19

I said 40% of drivers do this kind of mileage which I got from this link https://www.statista.com/statistics/513456/annual-mileage-of-motorists-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/ (previously posted on this website by Bertz99 - thanks Bertz)
This actually shows that 42% of drivers do less than 6000 miles a year but I was being approximate.
Maybe I am going to extremes but I do get fed up with a minority of people on here saying you CAN'T own a nice new car if you do a low mileage. It's not my fault I do a low mileage. But I do need a car as I occasionally have to meet clients or collect them from the train station.
And I don't fancy buying 4 train tickets every time the family wants go somewhere. That's just being a bit silly.

mittromney

2 Jun 17 1 #13

DPF is tricky garage can blame your driving style and make you liable.
As soon as the light comes on dont delay rev over 2000 till it goes.

Stan

2 Jun 17 1 #14

I like :smiley:

dont.mack.me.off to Stan

2 Jun 17 #22

I totally get the like nice things argument even if you don't use them very much. What i don't get is why choose this diesel for 5K per year when you could go for something quick and without any possible dpf issues. Its not as though fuel cost would be a concern. Still each to their own.

taker920

2 Jun 17 1 #15

It's a great looking car, have some heat OP. Cheapest way of financing it for sure

stevehart9

2 Jun 17 1 #16

No car ever returns as an investment. Leasing at least let's you drive the car with a minimal loss and is all encompassed in one payment

dush_yant to stevehart9

2 Jun 17 #35

This generalisation is not quite true, there are cars that are worth several millions now when they were only a few hundred thousands when new.
Agreed though that for mass market cars, no car will be worth more than its RRP after a few years.

markymark34

2 Jun 17 1 #17

Good find!

Guzzle

2 Jun 17 8 #18

Average mileage in this country is 7,900 miles per year according to government statistics. There are lots of drivers that only cover low mileage for various reasons; e.g. retired people, part time workers, people that work only a few miles from home, people with motability vehicles, people that car share with colleagues and those that are lucky enough to not need to work despite being of working age (wealthy partner/spouse).

KnightInd2000

2 Jun 17 3 #21

This one on Auto Trader is already down to £22,950 and it's not 2 years old yet so I would be surprised if you got any more than £20,000 if you took it back after 2 years with 10,000 miles on the clock. From an outlay of around £33,000 that's a loss of £13,000 which is why leasing can 'sometimes' make sense. (to me anyway, not to everyone :innocent: ).

markymark34

2 Jun 17 #23

Agree. Diesel and 5k a year isn't a great combo. Having said that there are a lot of gutless petrols still floating about so perhaps this is a better drive.

Mada06

2 Jun 17 #24

You own the car for 2 years and it will be under warranty for those 2 years. Any issues with low mileage and the Diesel engine is unlikely to manifest itself within the first 2 years. It will be someone else's problem by the time it happens.

Guzzle

2 Jun 17 #25

It's not ideal using a diesel car for low miles but it isn't necessarily going to cause you a problem unless all you do is lots of short journeys on slow roads. Many modern diesel cars now do auto regens (mine does, not sure about this one) to burn off the soot without the need for constantly burying your accelerator pedal.

Uncommon.Sense

2 Jun 17 #26

We loved the XE, and test drove one for a whole weekend. The issue was that everything was an added extra (compared with other brands), and taking the likes of the Drive pack was a must to get a premium feel from the car internally, and functionally. Had it not been for this we would have had one in Caesium blue in heartbeat.

I think if you go an look at one, you'll appreciate that all of the extras are probably worth it for £20 a month. :smiley:

arjun311

2 Jun 17 #27

I want a really really nice car, but only want to pay £150 hmmm

markymark34

2 Jun 17 1 #28

I wasn't talking about warranty. Just saying low mileage and diesel doesn't really make sense.
I've just returned my first lease car. Was a completely stress free two years. Highly recommended.

admpgk

2 Jun 17 #29

I reckon this is a good deal although personally I wouldn't go for a car like this if I was doing such a low mileage. That said, if it suits the OP's circumstances and it's what he wants to spend his money on then fair enough.
While I totally get the message that if the cost of the lease deal is less than the cost of depreciation then the lease deal is attractive. What I can't understand is how this all works and how the lease companies make money? I'm left assuming that the initial price paid for the new car by the leasing co. must be well below the price that a private buyer can achieve. If this is correct then those cars that are available on attractive lease deals must be same ones that private buyers should not consider buying simply because they'll likely have to pay over the odds and if they do so will essentially be subsidising those cars sold to the leasing co's. That said, maybe I should get out more, stop overthinking this stuff and simply grab an attractive lease deal without caring how it all works!!!

AdDaMan

2 Jun 17 #30

I have one of these, paying £360pm all in with optional paint and meridian stereo. and 8k PA.

Agharta

2 Jun 17 3 #31

So how do you suggest those of us that 'only' drive 100 miles a week get around?
Bicycle, taxi, walk, flying carpet!
If I lived in London I can and did live without a car but most other places I have lived a car is essential.

DarkWhite

2 Jun 17 #34

The thing is you can pick up something very similar on Drive the Deal for 28.5k. I'm not totally anti lease, it's very personal and down to individual circumstance, wants and needs. This thread is the kind of conversation between myself and the wife when we are looking at a new car (like now). Do the sums for how long you intend to keep a car for, the original purchase price and look at similar current for sale age wise on Auto Trader.

Thanks for the link.

Besford

2 Jun 17 #36

Great car!

danilovesky

2 Jun 17 #37

Is there any requirements to return the car in mint condition? What are the penalties for minor scratches/chips?

How does it work out in case of an accident, say in the first month of lease? I guess the insurance pays directly to the garage, but do I also have to pay the remaining months of lease?

Guzzle to danilovesky

3 Jun 17 1 #40

There's is a BVRLA guide as to what counts as damage and what is acceptable wear and tear. The tolerances are actually quite reasonable, although it is still in your interests to treat the vehicle with respect if you care about avoiding unnecessary costs.

As for insurance, you'll need a fully comprehensive policy, and you'll also need to tell your insurer that the vehicle is leased.

If you have an accident early doors it will depend on how bad it is as to how it is dealt with. If the car is a total loss then once your insurer has paid up then the contract would normally be terminated, however you may be liable for monthly payments in the interim if the claim drags on. You may also be liable to pay any shortfall between the insurance payout and the value of the car, so you may wish to consider a gap insurance policy to run along side.

If not a total loss then the contract will continue, although you will need to ensure the vehicle is repaired to a good standard. The lease company should be able to tell you who the approved body shops are, so they may not accept any repairs done on the cheap at backstreet garages.

r3tract

3 Jun 17 1 #38

If you like nice cars, why have you gone for the XE? :confused:

MisterSkinflint

3 Jun 17 1 #41

A bit like leaving your house to the kids then.

scorpio.iscariot

3 Jun 17 #42

Heat for the deal but the comments you put in the description make you out to sound like a bit of a clever cocky c**t to be honest.

heeljames

3 Jun 17 1 #43

Wonderful if your financial situation doesn't change, however surely leases pose a big risk for people who suddenly lose employment? A car you own can always be sold worst case.

duncancosgrove

3 Jun 17 1 #44

if you have 33k to drop on a motor outright, you've probably got the minerals to cope with a sudden change in circumstances. if like most people you'd get such a car on a PCP, it's pretty much the same deal as a lease in that you still need to honour the contract.

I don't see a lease as any riskier, and often the deposit outlay is a lot less.

sm-1991

3 Jun 17 1 #45

The Sultan of Brunei disagrees.

Don_Mega

3 Jun 17 5 #46

I thought he was quite funny.

spaceinvader

3 Jun 17 6 #47

Lets you drive stuff you cant afford so you can fool people into thinking you're rich.

Outrunner

3 Jun 17 #48

Take a look at a Ford Escort RS2000 http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/list/21/rs2000/

KnightInd2000

3 Jun 17 4 #49

Well that's not very nice

KnightInd2000

3 Jun 17 #50

Thanks Don

zx636r

3 Jun 17 1 #51

A Citroen C1 awaits you.

DudleyGuy

3 Jun 17 1 #52

So cold, I bought a vintage sports car for less than 2000, and it's mine to Keep. I turn heads everywhere I go!

TheBiker

3 Jun 17 1 #53

Why are all these lease deals for diesel cars?

They are fast becoming the leper of the modern world.

OrangeAgent

3 Jun 17 #54

I never thought of leasing before but my girlfriend did it and not looked back, no agro, new car all covered by warranty and you know where you are. Tbh I don't think there is much in it either way but this way you get a new car. People forget how much cars depreciate!

OrangeAgent

3 Jun 17 #55

Love the way the lister has preempted all the negative responders lol

g8spur

3 Jun 17 #56

Love our citreon C1 we get last year on the deals on here. I can't quite believe what it offers for less than some people spend on Sky. Great car.

hotukbeard

3 Jun 17 #57

I doubt it, that was abolished 1937.

VED does not pay for our roads. Council taxes and general taxation does.

MisterMadHatter

3 Jun 17 11 #58

No way! Was that you driving around Dudley at the weekend? Me and my little boy waved at you but I don't think you saw us. We managed to get a photo though.

thermomonkey

3 Jun 17 2 #59

You have no idea where people live, availability of public transport, what time and where they work etc. I can't use public transport for my job and cycling would be borderline suicidal. I have no choice but to use a car.

People seem to forget that other peoples circumstances may be different to their own.

Diveboy

3 Jun 17 #60

Better deal in my book.

Diveboy

3 Jun 17 1 #61

The bearing went on my alternator and it made a strange whooshing noise. I turned heads everywhere I went too.

Let's see how yours copes in an accident with kids in the back. At Mots and with rust. I've spent £1000 this year alone keeping my classic on the road to do 2k miles. But I wouldn't vote a deal on a great looking car cold because you might as well say you have a motorbike as the two are not comparable.

Stan

3 Jun 17 #62

I like the car. I have an Audi A4 on lease. Just 1 year gone and done 20k on a 10k limit per year. There is a 9p penalty to pay per mile. I don't do low miles. The 9p is as I have maintenance on the lease as well

dush_yant

3 Jun 17 #63

RS2000 hasn't really gained in value if you take inflation into account. The car was being sold for over £3000 in the late 1970's if I'm not mistaken which is over £30,000 in today's money. Add to that 35 years of maintenance and upkeep.

clean_sanchez1

3 Jun 17 #64

Haha kind of but your car will lose all its value, and you house won't.

scotia2

3 Jun 17 #65

If this is coming out of your own pocket then fair enough. If your company is paying you a car allowance of this much for only 5k miles a year... then I need a new job..

MisterMadHatter

3 Jun 17 #66

I'm not sure it's quite that black and white though, unless you're fixed on having a brand new car. For me personally it's about the drive and I care little for the age of the car. For example, I bought a 3L German car a couple of years back with 62K on the clock. It's a decent car in good condition. I've had 1 garage bill for £120, so that's the equivalent of about £89 per month to drive a relatively high-performance car, albeit an older model. Of course, you have to factor in a couple of high garage bills if you're unlucky, and the fact that a previous owner might have gone dogging in it, but it still works out miles cheaper, and with the added benefit of not having to worry about how many miles you do. Sure I'd prefer to be driving around in a new Jag but I'm putting the savings into paying off my mortgage quicker.

It's horses for courses at the end of the day and when my mortgage is paid off then I'll definitely be looking at leasing. Voted hot though as this is a good lease deal for a nice car.

jazlabs

3 Jun 17 2 #67

The guy that made the comment about taking the train instead of owning a car for 5k miles, hats off to you, a future comedian for sure. If you weren't trying to be funny, then I imagine you must live in London and never left the place. Trains get you about 80% of where you need to be, then you have hassle of buses/taxis for the remainder of your trip, they're slow (usually slower than driving), you have to put up with all the cretins on them unless you fork out for 1st class, they're unbearable in the summer (a/c either doesn't work or freezing cold), never mind the reliability.

Jonlogical

3 Jun 17 1 #68

That's a nice motor for a cheap price heat given.

robm612

3 Jun 17 1 #69

No new car ever returns as an investment. There are lots of used cars you can buy and enjoy while they appreciate. Heat for the OP good way to own a brand new Jag

kick_u_in_the_nuts

3 Jun 17 #70

VOTED COLD - NOT A SKODA

ELVIS_THE_PELVIS

3 Jun 17 #71

That's not true.

Aeschylus

3 Jun 17 #72

Yeah, I should of added on a brand new car, there is a reason that PCP, leasing etc is now the number 1 way to buy a car, and you are right, buying older can be very prudent. in fact I often thought about just exclusively buying cars around the £1k mark, if they go wrong, scrap and start again.... the wife was less than keen, so now we have a 2017 Nissan Leaf at £179 a month for 2 years, which means we would of beat the depreciation by about £12,000 which is huge!

kitana8

3 Jun 17 #73

look at the same car that is 2 years old for sale and get an average price being sold for then you have you depreciation

smiller9690

3 Jun 17 #74

I'm fairly sure the Porsche Macan used values actually increased to more than what they were new at some point?

Supersoul

3 Jun 17 2 #75

This is a very good deal. I have this car and in fact it's the exact same one as in the image in Caesium Blue. It's fantastic to drive - efficient and very fast and I don't even use the "Sports" mode!

The XF and XE are virtually the same apart from the XF being 12" longer. I also looked at the XF at the time of purchase and monthly repayments only added an extra £10pcm. It was a personal choice for me as the XF was more "bulkier" than the XE which I didn't want. The other reason was that the XE was a brand new design with the diesel version utilising the new Jaguar Ingenium engine. At the time, the XF had the older Ford engine but this may have changed now and would be worth contacting Jaguar for further information.

Annoying things that I assumed were standard but found out later that were not:
- the rear passenger seat does not fold downwards... this is an extra
- the wing mirrors do not retract inwards... another extra
- there is no front parking sensor... another extra

There's a comment on this thread about being aware that this is a diesel. I somewhat agree with this comment as I do not perform the same amount of mileage I used to do on previous vehicles (much less now). You'll know when the car is "cleaning" itself as the start/stop deactivates and the car sort of shakes although it does a good job of clearing the DPF. So far, the onboard computer hasn't produced any warnings but I would still be aware especially at 5000 miles.

stedav25

3 Jun 17 #76

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/money-saving-tips/10356610/Your-next-new-car-buy-it-or-lease-it.html

MrSweeney

3 Jun 17 #77

Nice deal

poochieparker9

3 Jun 17 #78

Just one with with regarding depreciation. That is taking into account that list price has been paid for the car. Surely any good bargain hunter will haggle? I did and got 8000 off a car with a list price of 34000.... go in at the right time of the month, if they don't want to be eating beans they will do anything to get their sales quota :smile:

f2k8

3 Jun 17 #79

How do people find such good offers? When I'm looking for a lease across different sites, I'll end up finding a bloody Seat Leon for £300 a month AFTER dropping 1.5k on it first! I'm a terrible deals hunter :/

eyesnevertellies

3 Jun 17 #80

Good deal OP.
I got the GLC 220d coupe premium around mid March for about £387 a month for 24 months, 8k miles per annum with a deposit of £3800

https://tools.mercedes-benz.co.uk/current/passenger-cars/e-brochures/glc-coupe.pdf

Now when I look at the same car, there is no one offering the same price - it's about £600 or more so I think I got a pretty good deal!

HugoLuca

3 Jun 17 1 #81

Hello.
This deal looks good thank for posting OP.
Any ideas on the average or estimate for insurance costs, and second/third driver possibilities relating to this car and contract?
Thanks in advance

DudleyGuy

3 Jun 17 1 #82

My xr3i has a roof

Mr.No

3 Jun 17 2 #83

Holidays must be an expensive time for you, what with buying every hotel you stay in.

m5rcc

3 Jun 17 #84

Good luck with your crabbing!

MrrImpeccable

3 Jun 17 #85

'We buy things we don't need, to impress people we don't like with money we don't have'

Well the saying goes something like that, I personally hate finance deals and lease deals and simply buy things outright. I own it, I can go a million miles in it and I know my cars top to bottom. It doesn't take you long to get familiar with cars, what needs doing and they will last you ages. There is a guy in the states doing 3 million miles in a Volvo for example.

I get lease deals on cars with high depreciation, always better to buy nearly new than new because of that IMO. Lease deals are also good for businesses to put against their expenses but the garage not only pockets your money from the lease but also makes money selling the car on.

The other factor is after the two year lease what then? Probably be hoodwinked into getting another lease? Or buy a car? There are plenty of cheap really nice well looked after cars out there. All cars run on technology developed in the what 1930's anyway? So it's not worth paying out more than you need to unless it's a Tesla

Mr.No

3 Jun 17 #86

What a daft comment. My wife works 4 miles away, I wouldn't fancy walking an 8 mile round trip in winter just to commute to work. She visits family, goes shopping etc and has averaged 3500 miles a year for the past 6 years. (she's actually under that this year, 12 months in to a 24 month, 5,000 miles per annum lease on an Audi TT)

m5rcc

3 Jun 17 #87

I don think that is true of today's cars. Perhaps yesteryear. Refer to planned obsolescence.

Bertz99

3 Jun 17 1 #88

Yet the government stats show the average age of cars registered on our roads continues to increase and manufacturers like Hyundai and Kia have such faith in their products reliability that offering extended warranty will not significantly impact their margins.

m5rcc

3 Jun 17 #89

That is not due to reliability, Bertie. Kia/Hyundai offer long warranties to take business off Japanese manufacturers.

Bertz99

3 Jun 17 #90

Nonsense - they are competiting as all manufacturers do - warranties cost and they are there to make money - if they were engineering them to fail then they would need to be a charity. As stated though the statistics on life span do not concur with yesteryear - complete opposite.

m5rcc

3 Jun 17 #91

In your opinion it is "nonsense". Funny how the SMMT put their primary reason as slower fleet renewal for that stat.

m5rcc

3 Jun 17 #92

Competing, you mean? Well Korean cars are generally reliable, so consumers rarely need to exercise such warranties. It's peace of mind to the consumer and a way to attract business from Japanese cars, as previously mentioned.

You forget car manufacturers intentionally make cars to fail post warranty period. Otherwise how, aside from servicing, would they make money from you?

Bertz99

3 Jun 17 #93

Bertz99

3 Jun 17 #94

Your premise is still nonsense - they do not destroy their brand and image which is what you are lacking appreciation of.
The means they do it is by enticing you with quality products, improvements, advancements and marketing. Lets put it anotherway why are Skoda, some 25 years+ from being comparible with ladas on heated rear windows and soft top jokes still being heavily invested in with less margins.

AFRogers

3 Jun 17 #95

Love the 5 options! I get fed up reading the whinging responses.

Mada06

3 Jun 17 1 #96

Another lease thread taken way off topic with complete nonsense. Where is the moderation?

Toybhoy

3 Jun 17 #97

Great deal! Definitely go for the one with the Divers pack though.

OrribleHarry

3 Jun 17 #98

I don't know a single person that covers such little miles. These statistics are hugely influenced by London as it's difficult to drive in and there are many alternatives. I think you will find 80% of the UK (geographically) will do much more than this, only densly populated congested areas don't. The statistics also don't take into account the number of vehicles per household, the drivers will do much more miles but accross more than one vehicle.

OrribleHarry

3 Jun 17 1 #99

Are you seriously suggesting manufacturers "design in" flaws so that their cars will fail once warranty expires?

PaulthePastyLover

3 Jun 17 #100

Ahhh loving the logical explanation

Libitina

3 Jun 17 #101

I lease an Audi. What we pay covers the depreciation over the 3 years. Plus mine includes insurance, tyres and roadside recovery for the two of us that we are basically getting for 'free'.
eta: Plus, I didn't have to pay a deposit or up front fee.

Bertz99

3 Jun 17 #102

Yep you are correct this statistic doesn't cover everything but the op has stated he is using it as an approximation (cheers to op for the acknowledgement btw)
London is a good example in that differs for many reasons including their requirement to get out of there from time to time. There are also other flaws in it such as company cars disproportionate in sample and one that would also strongly impact London in that alternative fuel types excluded. Also it doesn't detail variances in driver on age, gender, journey type, distance or fuel types.
Not sure it will help in your requirements but this report from 2016 does cover more detail on those variances including alternatives albeit your requirements would seem to still be above the mean.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/road-use-statistics-2016
N.B. not particularly an enthralling read

eyesnevertellies

3 Jun 17 1 #103

Comment

Thanks. You are a genius!

OrribleHarry

3 Jun 17 1 #104

Thank you. There is some contradictory information contained within. I personally live in the Lake District the penalty for this increased miles behind the wheel. Obviously I'm the polar opposite to London as we only have 4 buses a day and a sporadic train service (non on Sundays), additionally my nearest city is 75miles away!
I would be interested to read mileage per person (not vehicle) by county, I would estimate density of population to be inversely proportionate to the number of miles driven.

Sorry for going off topic but for many including myself, there are simply no alternatives to a diesel car.

mikebo1

3 Jun 17 #105

The benefit is that over the lease period you pay out less that if you had bought it so you get more money in your bank at the end.

jcluk

3 Jun 17 #106

Yep, better to buy a car you can afford to pay cash for. People seem to think they're getting a good deal on these but it's one of the worse money decisions you can make.

anoop123

3 Jun 17 #107

whats annual insurance mate

jcluk

3 Jun 17 #108

That's really skewed. Imagine investing that monthly payment - you'd have far more at the end of the same period. People ignore the opportunity cost and the risk of the lease/fleece.

Guzzle

3 Jun 17 1 #109

Thanks for your reply. If you live in a remote or less densely populated part of the country then I appreciate it's likely you will be at the higher end of the scale when it comes to mileage covered, as will most of your neighbours. However while I accept that people living in most parts of the country (geographically speaking) would probably travel above average miles, this is not necessarily reflective of most people overall. You point to London as a statistical anomaly, and i'd probably agree. However it is still part of the UK and accounts for about 15% of the total population, so it's a little unfair to discount its relevance completely. At the other end of the scale Scotland represents about 30% of the UK's geography but less than 10% of the population. So i'd argue this isn't truly representative either.

My own annual mileage is currently about 9k, so i'm slightly above what the government thinks the average is. I know a few people that do far more than I do, but most people I know do less than the statistical average. Having said that though, most of those same people I know probably wouldn't be interested in this deal.

118luke

3 Jun 17 #110

4 miles is hardly excessive. Many people commute much further using public transport.
Have you thought about a bus or a bicycle instead?
Your post proves a point im making - many could do without a car, but prefer it for convenience or comfort.
If i worked in the same town as i live i would probably do without a car, but as i regularly travel 1000 miles a week to very remote places for my job - its not possible.

KCooperman

3 Jun 17 #111

If you can afford a car and want one does it matter?! If you are trying to save money then of course it's a valid thing to consider...but otherwise your wasting your time trying convince people here...

robm612

3 Jun 17 #112

Yeah, there are examples - generally though they're limited runs that are reserved for "loyal customers". The Golf GTI Clubsport S was another recent example - £34,000 list price. Examples on Autotrader for £37,000 and above. To keep that value though it can't really be enjoyed - a friend of a friend bought one for £36,000 from a guy who had ordered 2 (one of the "loyal customers") and is now garaging it for a year rather than having money in the bank.

AFRogers

3 Jun 17 #113

Love the 5 options! I get fed up reading the whinging responses.

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #114

You are welcome.
Per person data isn't available as far as I am aware.
Region though warranty direct released top 10 max average they have. Their data is skewed on type that are their clients but partially demonstrates your estimated proposal in that the more rural communities are in that top 10 with Pembrokeshire, Stirlingshire and Somerset being up to 13K average. Reason I say partially though is that some in that top 10 are where people would place themselves to be able to commute to varying locations rather than being remote.

mikeee5

4 Jun 17 #115

Peter Vardy Aberdeen? Does this car get delivered or do I have to use 10% of my annual mileage allowance just to drive it home on day one???

Sparks11

4 Jun 17 #116

where from?

Mr.No

4 Jun 17 #117

We live in a semi rural area with no convenient bus routes (plus I wouldn't wish using British public transport on anybody). You're desperately clinging to your bizarre point by suggesting that an office worker cycles to work in the rain every day to save £6 a day on a car lease. How do you suggest she visits family members, spend £20-30 a time on a taxi?

Any other pearls of wisdom? Should I sell my house and move to a pokey 3 bedroom semi because we don't really need the extra space, spare rooms and gardens? Maybe burn all of my clothes and buy an old shell suit from eBay?

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #118

Absolutely - just like Apple do with their iPhones.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #119

I wouldn't bother using that link that Bertie posted previously. He went on to contradict himself with the following:

"Statistically diesels do 3000 miles more per year on average than all (check the source the data you have quoted comes from).

Statista also raise the following flaws in their data:

1) Figures are given from samples supplied by users estimates
2) Alternative fuel vehicles excluded in sample
3) Company cars not proportionally represented in sample set
4) Where question on age, ownership and trip data results excluded."

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #120

Economies of scale. VAG can afford to reduce their margins because they're selling a hell of lot more Škodas than when they were when it was Czech-owned. They already sell a million more cars per year than when they did in 1994 when VAG took over.

MrrImpeccable

4 Jun 17 #121

That's what they want you to think! Sure some models are a bit trickier. But most you can do all the maintenance work on and small jobs.

OrribleHarry

4 Jun 17 #122

That would be highly illegal if true.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #123

With cars being so tech heavy, there are more things likely to go wrong.

If the car is not serviced precisely to manufacturer standards and if this cannot be proven by a highly detailed service invoice, then the warranty is void. Only really relevant to cars outside warranty.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #124

Highly illegal? Erm, not really. Nothing stopping a private company doing such a thing. It's a pity you are not legally able to see this.

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #125

No contradiction - as per the link you have given you attempted to over rate what this data signifies calling it proof and inserting your own assumption to berate and belittle another forum user. I supplied it when a user asked was there any data to validate his 1% percent perceived requirement for 6K usage - nothing more and nothing further discussed rather than your own misrepresentation - interesting there has been more above though with other views and statistics discussed.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #126

Like you do, Bertie? It's funny how you only comment on lease threads as soon as I have. Very curious indeed.

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #127

Irrelevant - different markets, different lifecycle, different products and even then not relevant as the OS changes utilises what the new hardware offers which the clients demands then makes them no longer viable anyway.

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #128

Yet you miss the point and understanding - brand is key to these companies and they invest huge sums into them in this competitive market and would never risk by design what you are suggesting and takes generation shifts to fix. I will give you its a cool phrase but that it is in this market segment

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #129

But of course it is irrelevant - to you. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that planned obsolescence occurs in the car industry because you say there isn't. Car manufacturers make cars for life so that you never need to change them or any of its components... :confused:

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #130

I think you miss the point of economics, but never mind. I keep forgetting you are the resident expert in every subject matter.

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #131

No - unlike yourself I am not making up, misrepresenting or have the issue you have. Also if you were to look closer at lease threads you will see where I have value to add I do comment regardless of you. You are correct though in that your issue means you do attack anyone (not just me) with nonsense on these threads repeatedly.

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #132

There is a difference between maintaining components that wear out compared as per their schedule compared to designing it to be a written off the the moment the warranty expires as they do not consider supplying a quality product lasting beyond the life of its warranty or maintaining their brand image just as you are saying - your premise is of course complete and utter nonsense

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #133

no I don't - you do as if the brand is so badly rated less people pay a premium to buy it hence why they invest a fortune in them.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #134

I have not made up anything, Bertie. If you want to disregard or disprove planned obsolescence exists today, then that is entirely up to you. Cars are more tech heavy than they ever have been. If you think that cars are going to last forever and never fail, then please do carry on with that mantra.

Debating with someone is not attacking someone, Bertie. There's a key difference, maybe one you are unfamiliar with, because you like to trump people with facts that you deem to be correct and non-negotiable. It's nonsense to you because you disagree with it. That is fine.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #135

More contradiction!? People do not pay a premium to drive a Škoda, Bertie. VAG invest as a group into all their brands and use economies of scales to reduce their costs over the whole fleet. VAG cars aren't particularly reliable - they've been relying on perceived quality.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #136

Planned obsolescence is not just about creating components that fail. It's also tactics like making parts obsolete forcing you to upgrade or designing an engine bay where replacing a specific part is so labour intensive, that you are forced to go into a garage to do it. But yes, it is of course complete and utter nonsense.

umirza85

4 Jun 17 1 #137

Is the "inControl" feature android auto/carplay? Wouldn't have a car without this anymore.

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #138

Misrepresentation Example 2 (1 already done on proof above) - you have stated that cars are designed to fail immediately after warranty expires I have stated is nonsense. Where Have I ever said cars are going to last for ever! - there are so many in this forum alone it would take me years to compile by hand.

Speak for yourself. Facts by their definition are that. Also I would agree with debating which requires the ability to view and consider other views without belittling or berating others. There are too many examples of this forum alone where your own issue rears its head inhibiting the collective which forums like this enable. E.g. second time encountered me how many times did you ask why I was not on Jeremy Kyle with my family that I ignored (p.s. if you have an interest in how the car industry is set up in the UK you will have read about my family - but then again what would I know or add to be able to observe your nonsense)?

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #139

and what is perceived reliability but branding? Yet you are making my point - they are investing as they have been in Skoda's brand which has higher reliability rates precisely because of the oh so important branding - which is key

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #140

It is a complete and utter nonsense that they intend the car to fail exactly on the point warranty expires.
Give specific components and the facts behind their mean time between failures and the variance of that normal distribution and validates your nonsense.

118luke

4 Jun 17 #141

I assure you, you are spending much more than just £6 a day on a lease car. Just seems pointless clogging up the road when you do what's basically "school run" mileage.
But since you are anti every other alternative (perish the thought of actually doing some healthy cycling or walking!!) stick to your expensive driveway ornament. Doesn't make one iota of difference to me.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #142

I don't think it is totally down to branding. VAGs were once upon a time more reliable than they are now.

It wasn't very hard for VAG to improve Skoda's reliability, was it?

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #143

I repeat - nonsense to you. Reality for others who suffer that experience.

m5rcc

4 Jun 17 #144

Some are - refer yourself to Honest John's Q&A for evidence.

You have given that assumption by disregarding that planned obsolescence exists at all.

Given that you have plenty of time in your hands, do go ahead and compile a list.

There are facts and there fallacies. Just because you claim it to be a fact, doesn't mean it is one.

I have no interest in you or your family, Bertie. Unlike you, I haven't trolled Twitter/Google to cross-reference and then use any (mis)information to insult me personally.

Given everything I write is pure nonsense to you, it would be prudent of you to totally ignore it rather than trying to correct me with facts that only you deem to be correct.

Bertz99

4 Jun 17 #145

Which brings us back to a normal distribution with mean, confidence levels and significance which does not equate to the planned lifespan being the moment warranty expires and as shown with SMMT quote above that has seen the average age of cars on our roads increase by 1 year over the last 12 years.

samikhan100

4 Jun 17 4 #146

Ignoring everything above - thanks OP, ordered one from Mayfair Stratstone yesterday.

Diveboy

4 Jun 17 3 #147

Imagine if we'd all done 1hour charity work instead of writing pointless comments on a bargain forum.

Is the deal one of the cheapest for that car?

YES: Heat added thanked if bought.
NO: Cold vote and move along To next bargain.

KnightInd2000

4 Jun 17 2 #148

That's fab news. I hope you enjoy it.
This day will come soon enough...

samikhan100

4 Jun 17 #149

Soon enough's not soon enough!

marathonic

4 Jun 17 #150

what is the lead time on these?

lierobs

4 Jun 17 #151

When is delivery expected?

premssss

5 Jun 17 #152

Thanks for the post.

Nearest Stratstone dealer is 90 miles away.

So took this deal to the nearest dealer Westover to match this.

They need a day to check this so will let everybody knows once I got an answer from them whether they can match this.

samikhan100

5 Jun 17 1 #153

Couple of weeks according to the salesman - sounds like they're stock vehicles so not too long.

KnightInd2000

5 Jun 17 1 #154

It was 7 weeks when I ordered mine (5th Nov - 22nd Dec)

OrribleHarry

5 Jun 17 #155

Correct. My Audi was the most unreliable car I've ever owned.
It was shocking 8 warranty claims in 3 years/60,000 miles including new DSG gearbox as the ECU failed and put it in two gears at once.

m5rcc

5 Jun 17 #156

All VAG 7-speed dry clutch DSGs and s-tronics have been a nightmare.

OrribleHarry

5 Jun 17 #157

They have stopped developing it as it's flawed I expect it to be dropped. My 8 speed BMW gearbox is awesome though.

Rusty82

5 Jun 17 #158

Nice deal OP. HOT!

I like the overall look of the car but for me the alloys are too small. Do you think you would get an option to upgrade the wheels? I've had supermini size cars in the past that had alloys that size, I think they really needed to be 19" or possibly 20.

m5rcc

6 Jun 17 #159

Sure - the new 7-speed wet clutch DSG is better but let's see if it lasts!

ratty1

6 Jun 17 #160

Deals gone only £319 ones left :confused:

premssss

7 Jun 17 2 #161

ordered yesterday from Westover POOLE same deal.

Delivery in two weeks time.

Thanks very much for the post.

mkara

7 Jun 17 #162

If it's a stock vehicle then no. I'd it's personalised then yes, but then not sure you'll get this price. However, sometimes they do have stock vehicles with upgrades and that may include bigger alloys. 19" are perfect for this, 20" will be very big and heavily affect ride comfort.

square88

7 Jun 17 #163

What colors are available?

Rusty82

7 Jun 17 #164

Yeah I had a look, there are certainly some nicer 19" alloys that they do but whether you can get them or not is another question.

Majj786

8 Jun 17 1 #165

Just had the same deal from salmon guy jaguar Bristol with drivers pack and 6000 miles for £315 a month

Majj786

8 Jun 17 #166

The cars available in blue black red and gun metal grey there stock cars so won't let u upgrade alloys I did try

daros

9 Jun 17 #167

Red hot...I'd be all over this in 2 years time

jamesandlucy23

10 Jun 17 1 #168

Just ordered the XE with the driver pack.

For those who do require more miles the prices That I was quoted per month were:
5k per annum - £319
8k per annum - £348
10k per annum - £367
12k per annum - £386

abel_8

10 Jun 17 1 #169

Thanks so much OP - ordered from Stratstone Doncaster.

I was quoted £352 for 8k so went for 5k as worked out cheaper to pay for the excess.

At time of ordering, 8th June, I was informed that there were 4 Caseium blues, 8 Corris greys and 10 Fireneze reds.

mad_design_man

10 Jun 17 #170

I'm saving £299 a month by driving my current (paid for) car, now that's a deal!

satty83

10 Jun 17 #171

well done

Guzzle

10 Jun 17 #172

It might be paid for, but chances are unless it is worthless it will still be depreciating.

Rusty82

11 Jun 17 #173

It is definitely not.

mad_design_man

11 Jun 17 #174

When you hand back the keys to the Jag in 24 months time and are £7.5k the poorer. I will be £7.5k richer and still have a car to drive! Do the maths Einstein!

Rusty82

11 Jun 17 1 #175

You are thick.

lierobs

12 Jun 17 1 #176

No one cares.

mad_design_man

12 Jun 17 #177

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4594382/Debt-fears-new-car-deals-need-300-deposit.html

Rusty82

12 Jun 17 #178

Firstly, you read the Daily Mail? Says it all really!

Secondly, what is your point?

KnightInd2000

12 Jun 17 #179

Did you buy your car new or was it second hand?

daros

16 Jun 17 #180

#muppet

rob2005

16 Jun 17 #181

How hard was it to get guy salmon to match the deal? I've just been into my local guy salmon in Kent and they said they couldn't get anywhere near this deal.....

damcnaught

27 Jun 17 #182

What is your car worth today? What will it be worth in 24 months time (look at Auto trader for similar models of the same age, and 2 years older to get an idea).

You'll find that your car is depreciating, which you need to factor in when comparing to the cost of a lease deal.

chickensoup

28 Jun 17 #183

has anyone actually ordered and picked up their car yet?

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