Probably belongs in Misc / Discussions as it isn't really a deal.

Why would you not let it be? Have you no compassion at all?

Don't give her the attention. The fact she even mentions terrorists at all in a post about a tragic accident shows just how vile she is. Of course it wasn't terrorists, why even mention terrorism.

No idea what on earth you are on about. Been at the cooking Sherry, by any chance? :wink:

TRUTH ABOUT GRENFELL
TOWER

Stick to your Argos and Greggs lifestyle.

Dreameager, you were being sarcastic :smiley: but unfortunately it was missed. With words, it's easy to get stuff mixed up so best to keep words and emotions in check . :smiley: People need to be less rash and more aware of their surroundings however emotional we become to our current climate...until in the real life where we can make a positive difference.

Someone clearly missed the sarcasm of my response to the issue of benefits being brought into such a discussion

Daily Mail Reader by any chance? Bet you're glad that these benefit claimants (poor people) are no more now arent you?
Theresa May is probably glad and George Osborne definitely would be.

Fix up? what kind of idiot says that nonsense.

God forbid if there's a true worldwide catastrophe. People's warring petty mentality is sickening. I'm not a pacifist but believe me, there's time for empathy not just hollow sympathy. The disaster is still a recent memory and people don't know how to keep their mouths ( or fingers) shut. Everyone has a right to their opinion but for now, help or console - not ridicule or criticise one another. Very counterproductive!

They have

So you think they will provide these victims with money & help them? & you think they will provide this money from a so called disaster fund?. Wake up please.
During the 2015 boxing day floods, people were made homeless, they not only lost their homes, they lost all their possession's too and the government scraped up a measly £500 in total for family's to start over, £500 does not go far!. I know because my family was one of many flood victims, we had no flood insurance so we had to start from scratch. They left us in a hotel for months, a hotel which did not meet the needs of our child who has disabilities.
Now I know that this is not in any way a comparable situation. What has happened is so tragic and my thoughts are with the families who have lost loved ones and have lost their homes.
My point is if you think their is a magic pot of money then I pray your right for their sake, but in my experience this government just don't seem to care once the camera has finished rolling. I hope they get answers and compensation. It won't bring their loved ones back but they deserve to be supported.
A local flood relief charity helped us so much, if it wasn't for them we wouldnt have had much of a chance at all. Donate to local charities that provide direct help to those who need it most.

Our hearts go out to all the victims.

Some people here are as thick as ****. You know who you are. Do us all a favour!

Jesus all I wanted to do was post deals /

You mentioned Gabriel Jesus heard about his injury why are you bringing a football player into this topic what has Jesus got to do with the fire

It's like pulling teeth. I give up.

You're jumping to conclusions as to who is at fault. Remember these works will have been signed off by building control.

Surely they meant the piles of cash in the tower block that they all had from the benefits was the fire hazard that caused the problem

I would say an impossible job. The posters that are a PITA go as soon as they come.

yeah we are not all bad, but man the mods are doing a pretty poor job....

I think you have an excellent point but do remember that most people will read your posts and ignore the nonsense.

more proof of how toxic the HUKD community is... well some at least...

you come on here, you try to post something nice/interesting/good deal and what do you get? chavs and general toxic perverts who turn it into their own theatre. I for one am tired of making some random Canadian rich with affiliate links, you guys do all the hard work, you find the products you post the deals but some website owner makes it rich off your back... and to top all that you get **** like this thread.

I posted a response about a TV. Gave my honest opinion. Got called a snob, that my choice of brand means im a poser etc ... some muppet even signed up under a new false identity to harass me. Jesus all I wanted to do was post deals / talk about stuff I'm interested in and give advice when someone asked for it.... but no....

so as of today, I'm saying goodbye to HUKD. I might read it every now and then, find the bargains and buy them myself without clicking the links and making this website owner richer... while promoting a toxic environments the mods don't care about unless it crosses their profit margins...

Words can't express.....
This shouldn't happen anywhere anytime, never mind in 2017.

I heard on the morning news programme that the tenants didn't want the cladding, it was the million pound houses nearby that didn't want to look at a concrete block.
Devastating.
My thoughts and heart are with you all.

Clear breach. Dwellings not fit for purpose after contractor had finished work.

Gutted at some of the responses.

People have lost life - full stop!

If you wish to help - please extend in 'anyway' you can. If you DON'T, please move on .....

Join the flame - don't blow!!

well done op,I am distraught for the poor people who are suffering so much right now the pain of some must be intolerable.
I am totally disgusted with how well this illustrates the problem with the UK,big business putting profit before people.

Probably more than you, and from more sources too. Again though, what does this tragedy have to do with terrorism, and why bring it up?

This should be expired - throughout the day it's been reiterated in the media that they no longer need food aid, etc - they now are in need of money and volunteers

That assumes the landlord has breached their contract with the tenants. Let's wait and see what the inquiry finds?

this is not the thread for conspiracy theories.

Instead of killing the attackers why not shoot on their legs and interrogate them so the public can see what is real and fake they can broadcast it live in TV so it's not edited out. Have we ever seen any footage of these attacks NO is there cameras in London Bridge yes 100s and 1000s then why don't they show live footage of these fake attacks.

The news doesn't mean anything, don't believe everything you hear and the news only show the stuff you want to see. I was watching the news but never saw the footage of the so called acting (attacks) or the fake deaths why because it's all planned by the government

Please don't say that these people work for the government as well

The benefits has got nothing to do with fire

Because weve had a load of terrorist attacks kill innocent people in europe recently? have you not seen the news.

You disagree with someone's opinion, fair enough. Wishing them dead, that's going a bit far.

Just goes to show what type of people are here. No tolerance at all shown towards victims of tragic events. Couldn't just let this one go, just couldn't. The world is better without them.

Yeah, cos theres loads of free land in kensington....

I am confused.
Are they not council houses? Do these people not already get free benefits?

Read through and forgotten most of the stuff here. General feeling is that everyone here gives a damn and it's actually heartwarming to read. Everyone has different view points and opinions but what matters is...we care. Let's get in touch with humanity and get rid of these bad feelings towards one and other and start wondering on how to achieve a better tomorrow. Peace out!

Sad loss of life.
Don't agree with Just giving making money off misery though and
Should be government or not-for-profit charities taking for disaster emergency response and re-homing.
Red Cross. How you can help.

Having contents insurance is a no brainer, that's obvious. The point is those that don't have it can sue if the landlord is at fault.

Example: Your landlord employs an electrician to rewire the flat you currently rent (with no contents insurance). The electrician causes a fire and all your possessions are destroyed. You would not sue the electrician because you have no contract with him, your contract is with the landlord. You sue the landlord and they in turn sue the electrician.

The churches are saying that they are unable to cope with all the donations which are taking up too much room. might be better not giving physical goods.

I hope this is not another Beko fire. There was one near me where a man died and the family were severely injured in the escape. If it does come down to this then they perhaps need to be banned from sale in the UK,

The HUKD community is a good one.

Of course not, but procedures will still need to be followed to establish liability. Which could take weeks, months, maybe years.

That's why it's prudent to have insurance. You can't just assume someone else will pick up the tab.

In any case...but this is not any case.

But we don't know why yet do we? Lots of people on here jumping to conclusions as to the cause of the fire and its spread, but an inquiry has been announced only today.

In any case it is still a tenants responsibility (usually) to insure their own contents.

Yeah, it's called cost.

This happens to infrequently.

I blame brexit.
:man:

Cost?

Not sure about any place, I can guarantee you there are many countries out there where you would not see such a level of consideration and care. A lot of this is brought on by the media.. about the only good thing the media do unfortunately.

some say it was social cleansing.

I for one am outraged at this whole event, i say we tear down every high rise in London and rebuild new ones so everyone is a bit safer.

The whole idea is to contain the fire and alert occupants. The building failed to do so. Get it?

And what if another tenant is to blame?

In many tenancy agreements it is the tenants responsibility to insure their own contents. But many tenants take their chances and simply don't bother.

The landlord is fully liable in this case.

there are tragedies happening all over the world every single day. i guess it s fashionable to start a thread on a deals site or wherever harpooning for donations. if u want to donate and give charity, just do it. this post doesnt really belong on a hot uk deals website imho.

This thread is way too much of a Tesco plug for my liking.

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Honestly wish I could press "Like" more than once.

Tragic? Yes
Belongs on here? No.
Significant to the majority? No.
All over the media and pushing Bargain Hunt to BBC2 yesterday? Yes. :wink:

Because in this case the tenants could sue the landlord. The landlord/owner has in effect destroyed their property.

If the contractor is to blame then the landlord/owner would then sue the contractor.

It did, it acted as a chimney that allowed it to spread very rapidly, from top to bottom in around 30 minutes. Someone has put up a good diagram in the thread showing it.

Warnings about this was first raised to the government at the time in 1999 but its "green" qualities of good insulation was prioritised above its safety concerns.

Once again great to see Londoners pull together. Laughable. People anywhere in the world would do the same. All this talk of typical Londoners or typical of people from Manchester to pull together. They're not special. Any place would do it.

why would the building owner be liable for contents insurance?

Before I say what I'm going to say, it's a truly dreadful event and my heart goes out to those who have lost loved ones.

BUT isn't an event like this the reason you pay for contents insurance? For the sake of two packets of fags a month most of these people would be housed and clothed within a few hours.

Why do any of us bother?

If I lose my house in a fire or accident I'll just go cap in hand to the British public.

The royal family should offer them rooms till they can be rehoused. They have more spare rooms than anyone.

That worries me too, particularly given the area it's in and the need to urgently rehouse those affected. Can't see them being moved back in to whatever replaces it.

Although on the flip side, would they even want to having experienced what they have?

french you.

well the developers will be ecstatic. They'll know down this tower and probably the others because they'll too have 'compromised' health and safety standards. So in the end the poor will be shoved off somewhere else and the rich will move in. I have no doubt this fire was planned..

Hold on. That chart says nothing about the socio-economic status of the London population.

I am looking forward to the substantial monetary contributions from Diane Abbott, Jeremy Corbyn, David Lammy and Sadiq Khan.

Quite a few off topic comments have been removed, Please remember this is about donations.

Funny since it's a myth that London is overpopulated any way. Since the population hasn't changed since the 1930s.

JustGiving make MILLIONS from these collections. Just look at their slices taken from Manchester and London.
JustGiving should refund their "fees" or "slice" to the good causes...or The Government should run these things, that way we would all know it's being done correctly and legitimately.

Funny how they seem to find the room to build houses for the wealthy

In less expensive parts of the country yes, but unlikely in many parts of the South East and certainly not central London. You're going to need an awful lot more land to build 120 houses instead of flats, hence why they built upwards in the first place.

help them deal sponsored by Tesco? go direct.

Agreed and how/why 68 people liked their first response is beyond me.

this atrocity would never have occurred if the residents were middle class.! human life is the same no matter rich or poor

Should really be in the advert section if there is one. Someone works for tesco.

I'm 99.5% sure the local tesco sent a truck load down

I think you'll find they are the aid partner of the Red Cross https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi3m6f4_r_UAhVBvBoKHa8oAmwQFgg7MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redcross.org.uk%2FAbout-us%2FNews%2F2017%2FJune%2FGrenfell-Tower-fire&usg=AFQjCNE9oE4iiw8NrkDWSB1RNxnJ-QSi1w

£10m would get you £83k per house for 120 houses. That's not actually that out of the question, the main issue is the cost of land and other associated expenses like council charges to build new services out. Building a small 1 or 2 bed house (as most of the flats were) for £83k in actual build costs is not that crazy.

Nice of HUKD to turn off the adverts on clicks for this :smirk:

Have some heat for the beautiful thought! Don't care if it's posted under a deal or not. Blind eye to that.

Spot on.

just hope 'kctmo' and others responsible are fined to high heaven. p.s voted cold as not a deal.

He/she is just virtue signalling to everyone how compassionate & caring they are. It's not about caring, it's about being seen to be caring.

What's wrong with you, leave him alone, if you are having a bad day do not take it out on someone you do not even know. What is wrong with some people these days.

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I read no more donations needed on BBC news.

why so much of fight? maybe admin should include a tab similar to lightning news or deals in their next app update.

9/11 was a set up and man never walked on the moon.
:man:

Dude!, you cant say that it was a murder! Bring your facts and proof to the table! Or SHUT UP!

For a moment I thought I was watching Dragons' Den. I'm oot! :smile:

Not a deal. And for that reason I'm voting cold.

Possible corporate manslaughter. Murder is premeditated.

It is nothing to do with compassion. If you post a deal with 'non-approved' company, it will be rejected. If you post a freebie as a deal it will be moved to an appropriate category. Rules are rules...

Don't think now is the time for conspiracy theories, people should focus their energy on helping those affected. Answers will come in time.

Facebook is worth billions, they should donate some of their likes and free ads. Siemens should donate some of their trains coaches.

I had a **** life. Give me money now too.

About the tower - it was mass murder. I'm no builder or anything, but I know you don't wrap a building in flammable stuff. It was a murder for money.

You don't need building insurance if you rent a flat and since the owner of this building is liable you would not require contents insurance either.

The problem may lie with the manufacturer of the insulation/cladding used and not the contractor or owner.

My guess would be that the residents mainly don't have insurance and I would be surprised if this 'qualifies' for disaster relief. Therefore I think they'll need all the money they can get.

In due three government and council will pay for accommodation (but not in that borough) but they'll be little for the replacement of possessions, clothes, etc., not to mention ongoing hospital bills and (possibly years of) counselling for the trauma. It doesn't beat thinking about!

As for Tesco, they are but one company who could contribute to the future welfare of the survivors. If this turns out to be started by a fridge (or other device), then perhaps you could suggest that their 'sector' should be shouldering some of the bill. The banks have cold, hard cash, so a donation from them might be nice too.

Currently I'm just praying for some small miracles to come from this (eg: an unaccounted-for family who were on holiday, oblivious to the fate of their home; or the cause of the quick-spreading fire is a simple fix that can be applied to other blocks).

I'm just devastated for all of them (but ever-in-awe of our emergency services).

I work for tesco, was really hoping this company would stand in front of the rest and donate a couple of trailers of food and clothing etc to help these people. But alas, as usual, there is no profit in helping people, so I guess they wont be helping after all.

its because there is an agenda to make it the go to reaction to anything bad happening. I'm in disbelief how this can happen, having been a resident of similar building 20 years ago and being evacuated very swiftly every time.

Why do you think labour alone are to blame for high immigration and inadequate housing. It's been a business model for decade after decade.

Did you study at the Diane Abbott school of economics?

Why should it... Tesco discounted some value range mince. What exactly is good about that.

:disappointed:

How this hasn't gone into the thousands is beyond me, Gamer kids only like the PlayStation Network deals or Xbox one deals. Sickening.

The compartmentalisation strategy is perfectly fine if the building is indeed compartmentalised properly. It's not a matter of an "acceptable number of deaths", it's a case of "If your flat's on fire, get out - if next door is on fire, you should be OK"

At first look, It seems like the main problem was the cladding effectively turning the outside of the building into a blast furnace. This is a pretty well documented and known concern with external cladding, and a reason why fire breaks between floors are essential, along with appropriately fireproof cladding:

it was

The owners/management company should be responsible for these costs, both morally and legally. There should be no need for donations.

I've no doubt the land owner will do very well out of this when they demolish the remains and build high grade flats in their place that the people who lived there couldn't afford in a million years.

I'd like to thank all Conservative voters for supporting this type of nonsense. Tories think building standards in this country are too high and should be cut http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html Of course he himself is a greedy slumlord.

I'm sorry but it's terrible what's happened. But we have disaster funds for this type of thing we are england after all. I'm sure us tax payers we all wouldn't mind them (da government) going into the pot to help rehouse and give any support for those involved. I would hope anyway.

People shouldn't have to be donating so that the insurance companies, building owners and ministers who turned a blind eye shirk their responsibilities.

If you are going to donate food it should probably have a long use by date, they have received to many food donations at the moment so any more and there will probably be a lot of food waste, hopefully if they have got to many perishable goods these will quickly be distributed to other homeless people and maybe food banks etc.

You can give food to mosques and churches and other places they will deliver to them

Please don't be like this think about all the people that have lost their homes their personal memory's from childhood and some people lost their lives. At a time like this we should all be united and help and save these people especially it's month of Ramadan there should be unity and love thanks

Even if, so what? Why would you shame people for not wanting to donate or hear about donating on places like this?

Also, do you even read the news? So many have donated clothes and food to Grenfell Tower victims that council can’t take any more, so money would help them far better.

Anyway, your replies have nothing to do with his original comment, and are completely based on emotions.

56K? Being a bit generous..... 2 cans and a piece of string!!

The sad possibility is that many entire families may not have survived at all. I don't suppose the re-fit of the Houses of Parliament will scrimp on the sprinklers and functional fire alert system. This is mass death by cuts. By all accounts, the fire strategy was 'compartmentalisation' meaning that fire breaks were supposedly installed to limit fire damage to sections of the building without further spreading. I guess they reasoned that limiting fire outbreaks to sections of the building would lead to acceptable numbers of deaths.

Like many, I suspect that the fire was spread by the combustible external cladding. It was a warm night, people would have had external windows open. The cladding was alight on the outside. Opening their doors to the communal areas and stairwells could have drawn extremely hot air and fire through the open windows into their flats, rapidly setting light to combustible materials inside. Many of these poor souls didn't stand a chance. It's simply terrifying.

Just heard the relief organizers on the radio, they said they have more than enough donations now, what they really need is manpower

It is a problem when we are trying to house the world, countries with more land should be taking in more imigrants, if another world war breaks out and we suddenly started to struggle to import food and recourses, then 60 percent of this countries population would be dead of mainly starvation within 6 months, we should not be covering any more of our green land in houses as we are leaving ourselves very vunerable.

10 million pounds to enhance these buildings,would be cheaper to build small houses im sure.

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Point taken london property extemely expensive,might work in other areas of the country .well done to all emergency services.

Presumably your moral compass points in the same direction as this vile specimen.

if I was in this fire and then finally got a new home and someone got me a load of tesco value stuff I'd tell you to shove it up your ***

Can't spell this morning but warms the heart when people do show their humanity.

It just shows how everyone is rallying round. Even Katie Hopkins is being reasonable :wink:

What's this got to do with tesco exactly. Utter nonsense this whole thing. who says they need tons of tesco value crap. Let the house insurance and government sort them out. Tesco are big enough that they can donate themselves

"Fix up".......what sort of stupid phrase is that?

I would like to know if the new cladding on the outside of the building helped the fire spread so quickly.

Probably belongs in Misc / Discussions as it isn't really a deal.

And build more houses for the people, this country needs more houses for god sake !!!

Folks people have died and many are missing family's have lost there homes and you are all on about should this post be here or about the vile katie hopkins? As has been said in the post local donations of food clothes etc are amazing so why not donate even £1 to the online donation page to help as this is just not about food etc people will need help for a long time

Only if Tesco was worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds, they could donate THEIR value products free of charge to help support those affected.

was just on sky newsthey are turning donations away from some centres!!

Don't give her the attention. The fact she even mentions terrorists at all in a post about a tragic accident shows just how vile she is. Of course it wasn't terrorists, why even mention terrorism.

It is not a deal, but there is a point to put this in the deal panel. Just like breaking news when you are watching TV.

Heat just for the thought of posting the advice/idea

No idea what on earth you are on about. Been at the cooking Sherry, by any chance? :wink:

It bothered you because its not a deal. So no you're not the opposite. You're annoyed that this is getting in the way of your deals. Fix up.

Hey maybe your right, I did this really quick whilst on the move but I know people look at deals more often so hoping I could spread the word

Quite the opposite. I'm guessing it's only viable to donate food, clothing etc if you live in the locality (unless Tesco is doing a "buy locally and we'll send it to them" service)

Far better to link to their JustGiving / Official donation site, as it will have a far greater impact.

HTH :wink: