Winter tyres in the UK!!!!

Been driving for over 20 years and never once have I had a need for winter tyres, that is on a variety of front and rear wheel drive cars (including an M135i), we just do not get the weather to require it.

Almost twenty comments and not a single utterance of "Do I get to keep it at the end?" or " I could buy a ten year old Golf for that much!"
:sunglasses:

cheaper here

£129.31 incl VAT monthly rental

£775.86 incl VAT initial rental

plus admin fee 298

= 4048

http://www.fleetprices.co.uk/personal-lease-cars/ford/focus-hatchback/focus-hatchback-10-ecoboost-125-st-line-navigation-5dr-192361988

And then places you go to after you have been to them such as a court, your local jail....

Sounds good to me, a non-expert.

Seems to be a very good price.

While some of these deals are hugely tempting, two things bother me about lease cars:
1. Won't they just come with standard summer tyres? Can you specify all year round all-season tyres like Michelin Cross-Climate do you know? Buying your own winter tyres to fit to steel rims in winter isn't going to make financial sense on a 2 year lease. Having seen the benefit of winter tyres there's no way I'd go back to driving on summer tyres in winter.
2. At the end of the lease, won't they charge you for repair on every minor supermarket parking dent, chips and scratches? Seems to me a professional repair for every minor scratch and imperfection could come to hundreds.

Great price for a Focus

Winter tyres in the UK!!!!

Been driving for over 20 years and never once have I had a need for winter tyres, that is on a variety of front and rear wheel drive cars (including an M135i), we just do not get the weather to require it.

this is a great deal!

can also get it with 10000 miles, 3 months up front which works out better for me. details below
Contract term 24 months
Rental profile
3 + 23
Annual mileage 10000
23 monthly rentals of £163.45
Initial rental £490.36
Processing fee £300.00

Thanks flipnfil and M_z for your helpful responses.
Pepp77 - Maybe if you live in London, otherwise I completely disagree.

cheaper here

£129.31 incl VAT monthly rental

£775.86 incl VAT initial rental

plus admin fee 298

= 4048

http://www.fleetprices.co.uk/personal-lease-cars/ford/focus-hatchback/focus-hatchback-10-ecoboost-125-st-line-navigation-5dr-192361988

I have an 09 Zetec S Focus with Sony DAB and much prefer the interior. These new Foci are butt ugly inside. IMHO.
Decent price though.

8000 miles, pah!

Mileage usually kills it for me. Commuting, only do 50 miles a day but rack up 17K in a year.

(shock)

Same deal available at my local dealer (Vospers). Just showed them, they can match. Not on their website but they will FYI.

I've been using winter tyres for the last 4 years. The previous 16 years of driving I never bothered.
I'm more than capable of driving in the cold. However I want to know I have the best hope of avoiding the other morons on the road. Especially the fish tailing RED cocksures. Plenty of people can drive but many also can't.

We used Yes Leasing last year, easy company to deal with although when you phone them it sounds like a noisy family in the background so I have a feeling a small family run business? We went for the Ford Ecosport and wish we hadn't it's an awful car.

What you have to remember with the "deals" is it is often a car that has been slated. The Ford Ecosport had a bad review when released so it had a facelift, as Ford released it they flooded the lease companies with cheap offers.

It's a way to advertise, you see lots on the road and it tempts you, that's the theory. Anyway, between the Ecosport and my Transit van it's persuaded me never again when it comes to Ford.

Unreliable, no cheaper to repair, noisy, tacky, cheap...

Almost twenty comments and not a single utterance of "Do I get to keep it at the end?" or " I could buy a ten year old Golf for that much!"
:sunglasses:

Amazing the amount of power they can pump out of a 1.0 litre engine these days but without the torque, it's all fur coats and nae knickers I'm afraid.

Decent deal though but for a wee bit more, I'd be more tempted by the A4 deal.

...for people that live within the M25 i most certainly agree with you.

For the rest of us that live in hillier areas like the pennines and scottish highlands, where we actually do get snow in the first quater of the year, they are definitely needed!!

So you are saying the Ford focus has bad reviews and Ford are struggling to sell them so end up leasing them out .Number of units Ford has sold of the focus does not back this up.

Yeah it's all relative I guess. A car is a big spend and £84 a month over the piece for me I would class as a small increase. Appreciate that may not be everyone and if not, there;s nothing wrong with this deal. Like I said it's decent but not for me.

Without the torque? We just bought a 125 1.0 ecoboost focus for the wife. Took my first drive in it yesterday... Drove through our village at 30mph in 5th, as I left the village I put my foot down and it accelerated with more urge than it had any right to, certainly more than my 2litre 163hp diesel Mondeo would in the same circumstances...

Plenty of torque thanks.

I live in Rural North Yorkshire... I think that counts. Never needed special winter tyres, and I do over 20k a year. Did have one small bump once on a snowy road, but that was because the other guy had literally parked his car on a blind downhill bend, on a single track country road, on the road...
So whilst I do accept they probably DO work better than normal tyres in certain conditions, I don't think the cost is anywhere near justified for the benefit they bring!

Transit and Ecosport are hardly the right cars to be basing your judgement on. One is a van, and the other is the worst car Ford has made in recent years (probably due to the fact its made in india).

The Ecosport and Transit offer no comparison to a Focus, its a much better vehicle.

Just had a call from Yes Lease, the price has gone down to £156.49 + 23 payments of £156.49. With the admin fee that is a total of £4,055.76.

They are sending me new forms to sign so I get the lower price.

Re "winter tyres" I find it very useful to drive in accordance with the conditions, it always seems to work well and has done for 41 years. I live in the North East and over the years the Council has cut back on road gritting but it doesnt matter, again, if you drive to the conditions and your capabilities.

Glad you're happy with it but no offense but the numbers don't stack up. You're effectively saying that a car rated at 125lb ft of torque and 125hp of power with a 0-60 rating of 12.5sec beats a car with 251Ib ft of torque and 163hp with a 0-60 rating of 8.9 secs?

The only way that would work is if the Focus was loaded with fairy dust.

offence*

OP, I'm not seeing the color options being free? or am I missing something? All I can see is solid being free and the red option?

Lovely cars to drive and brilliant deal.

I've got the Focus RS not quite as good on fuel as this one lol

Thats entirely subjective.
My mondeo was an absolute dog in the snow - any sort of incline and the wheels spun frantically. And no, im not the sort of person who spins the wheels as fast as they can to try and get traction - this was as gentle as possible being really smooth (like you are supposed to).

In the end i bought a pair of snow socks for £25, and this was money well spent. I have driven a car with winter tyres on as well and the grip was almost as good. A set of snow tyres will be more cost effective than an insurance claim, but Snow Socks will serve the purpose just as well.

For those that have matches this at their local ford dealer...
Have you gone for lease as well or is it on the options finance

Just so I'm clear... You are looking at numbers on a page, and you are arguing with me, who owns and drives both?
Numbers never tell the full story. You have to take into account how they are driven. The example I used was a real world example (deliberately) of driving economically, and then requiring some acceleration. And the focus delivers. And does so better at 30mph in fifth than the Mondeo does. Fifth is too low a gear, it's barely 1k rpm, but the smaller, lighter focus is geared to suit it better.
And you've been choosy in your figures too, trying to make your point... The focus can deliver 147ft lb in overboost, and 0-60 is 11.3 secs in the 125 version. Also take into account weight difference, and yes, the REAL world difference between the larger, heavier Mondeo and the smaller lighter focus is far less than you might think.
Of course, you've seen numbers on a page. You probably know more than me who merely owns them both.

You never need winter tyres until you NEED them. It takes one incident for you to wonder why you didn't bother. They grip better below 7c which is most of the time from November until about March for areas like real north yorkshire.

You could drive 20k a year without a seatbelt and no harm would come to you. If we all drove without seatbelts more people would be killed as a result.

Of course, we can make our own choices.

There's places that you can go to to help you deal with mileage limits....

ST-Line = not quite an ST

Even sweeter then! Thanks op good deal!

It gets a bit boring doing it after a while - like shooting fish in a barrel

And then places you go to after you have been to them such as a court, your local jail....

Worst "i drive a fast(ish) car" ever.... :smirk:

You drive a fastish car?

I've never understood why cars are classed as 5 doors? Is the boot the 5th door? What's a 4 door car then?

5 door = hatchback

4 door = 4 door saloon

Mercedes AMG A45.

The later 376BHP one.

Very nice deal

Despite what you're saying, it's just not true though. There's physics to it. I get that you may "think" it has more pull but the physics behind it proves otherwise.

Like I said, glad you're happy with it. That's all that matters at the end of the day.

Oops! Now you've just qualified for the worst "I drive a fast car" ever! :laughing:

My company has 20 years experience of operating a fleet, and I wouldn't dream of sending a van out without winter tyres. They make such a big difference in wet and low temperatures (which we get plenty of), they are not just for when snow is on the ground!

lol. the trick is to get someone to ask. :man:

No, I didn't say it had 'more' pull...I was responding to your comment about it (to paraphrase) not having *enough*, and as I said, it does. And that, you can only tell from driving. It's got more torque than a 1.6 petrol, and the same as a 2 litre petrol. And that's referring to peak output... The smaller turbo engine has a FAR wider torque spread, making its peak as low as 1500 rpm, the larger engines only getting to peak at 5000 or so.
I'm not saying it's got everything that anyone would want, it depends on your driving style and preference, but, and I repeat, you can't tell from the numbers on a page... For normal driving, it's got plenty. Please, go and test drive one, you may be surprised.

Good choice! I've just put my RS up for sale to start a valeting service. I'd go for the a45 or Rs3 next though, I've got a YouTube channel and thats what my subscriber's have asked me to get next.
I bought the RS as its the most fun and really standing out car in blue, the other hatchs don't stand out as much I don't think, saying that though people will probably think mines an ST as theres no RS's round here lol.
Hope you've fitted a Ghost alarm

Does anyone know how long delivery would take?

Yes Lease told me the cars are being built this week, should be delivered early August.

They're meant to be seriously nippy ..

I had one as a hire car for a weekend. For a 1.0 litre car, I guess it's okay but maybe it's just that I'm used to a much faster car but I wasn't that blown away.

Like I said, it's amazing what they can do with such a small engine these days. I had a 1.0 litre Corsa when I was younger and that was terrible in comparison! Lol

Are you sure the Mondeo doesn't have a problem? That seems impossible otherwise.

Heat for the price. But the new Fiesta is due out in another month so.....

and yet you drive like a tool when there is 1inch of snow

Your RS will no doubt hold its money better than the A45 which i suspect will drop in value like snow off a ditch.

The A45 is an amazing bit of kit, though i've been put off modding it because the gearboxes seem to give quite easily.

At least your car looks like an ST! People think ours is a A180 diesel... :rolleyes:

Good luck with the valeting service. Hope it goes well :smiley:

Ahh man im looking to pass my test and get driving mid july. Dont think i can wait till August!! Just want a bloody car!!!

Either looking at buying at 2015 Zetec S for £8K or leasing one of these for £4K hmmmm... decisions... any advice from anyone?

I heard the earlier a45's had gearbox issues but not the later ones so your probably in luck.
The RS will drop a bit but not fortunes, I bought it 3 months old and the guy lost £7k, he was minted though so probably peanuts to him.
I'll of lost about a grand and only had it 2 months, but its finding a private seller, not many people have this sort of cash to pull out so I'm selling to a garage, they'll make a killing off mine.
If you ever use YouTube search Craigs Channel I should pop straight up, since you're a car fine like myself lol

Can any experienced leases let me know how you got on adding options.
I have been looking at this model and would want the 2 packs (all round electric windows etc/ parking aids etc)
convenience and assistance packs.
How would the extra £1400 be paid? Will it totally screw up the quote/ lead time?
I know i could go for another model but the rest of this would do.

Laughable !! Summer and winter tyres indeed !! Over the past few years HUKD has certainly confirmed far more eccentricities than I thought possible. Must add more security to house....

This is a Focus, not a Fiesta, so...

Congratulations on not crashing. Unfortunately the lacking 'need' for them in the UK leads to collisions that wouldn't occur if people understood winter tyres typically offer more traction than summer tyres below 7C, that's 6 months of the year in much of Scotland. I'd compare them to a seat belt, I wear mine as I'd like to survive a collision, I use winter tyres to allow me to steer and brake while avoiding the guy on summer tyres that didn't make it round the corner.

You already did, yippee, another vehicle I'm less likely to hit. :wink:

Door with a window is classed as a 'door' i.e hatchback so 3 or 5 door. Door without window, so just a boot lid i.e saloon or coupe is 4 or 2 door. If that makes sense lol. :wink:

Is the St-line better than titanium?

and to get up slopes in the snow, past the "summer tyre" cars that are foundering at the bottom of the hill

what people are saying about these 1.0 turbos is utter drivel.

we have a 1.0 fiesta 140 zetec s and the power is brilliant, more than enough for day to day driving , in fact it feels fast.

only time it ever feels sluggish is with 4 adults in it on a steep incline.

mpg is nonsense though we average around 45mpg

This is a great deal.

Yes I drive in the exact same manner whether it's summer, winter, snow, ice, rain, sandstorm...
I might wear the same tyres, but it doesn't mean I don't change my driving style. Winter tyres aren't a 'magic wand', they won't mean you can drive like normal in full on winter conditions. Yes, I know that even then, the car with winter tyres will still be better equipped, but as I said, I don't think there is enough bad weather to justify the change for where I am. YMMV.
If it rubbish or dodgy weather, I'll alter my driving accordingly. If it's that bad, I probably won't go out.
There is such a thing as 'driving to the conditions' you know?

Is your house not encased in steel? Don't you care about your children????

:smile:

You think that 30mph in 5th in diesel Mondeo isn't too low revs? That was the comparison I made... Wish people would read the whole comment rather than cherry pick individual phrases...
Fact is the petrol engine in this is FAR more flexible than the bigger more powerful diesel in the Mondeo. The torque spread in this little spinner is far wider than the diesel. Not as high at peak, obviously, but its peak, while lower, is spread far wider.

Amazing deal. Heat added.

that is a good deal.

after reading this an old saying sprung to mind "ignorance is bliss" yes they are not required by law but for the cold wet roads that we get ALL over the UK then winter tyres are a godsend as they provide a heck of a lot more grip all round, myself i now use Michelin CrossClimate tyres and would recommend these to anyone.

+1

Never changed tyres due to seasons, just bought decent set of tyres in the first place and drive according to the conditions.

Good deal hate new eco boost though turbos make up for hairdryer engine so get 30 mpg not 65 as turbo constantly on

I think this is an excellent deal, around the same price I paid for my Corsa VXR off here but for a 5 door family car. I recently had a hire car for work and got given a 1.0 fiesta and thought it was going to be horrible. It was the new ST-Line and I was amazed at how nippy and well equipped it was absolutely loved it for a little car. Certainly made me change my views on Fords and how they have improved dramatically since the days I last had one.

Easier for the manufacturers to claim good mpg figures. Pretty sure when they test them they will be driving as gently as possible to prevent the turbo from spooling up a lot.
So essentially the figures they present will be for a 1.0 N/A car not a 1.0 Turbo.

Of course in real life you'll struggle to avoid using the turbo, hence the MPG will be a lot worse.

FLOL. What a load of **** about the "turbo not spooling", these modern engines spool the turbo really low down, we're talking 1,200 to 1,500 RPM. Good luck driving under that.

I have a car with a very modern 1.5 turbo petrol engine and it builds pressure at 1,500 RPM from the turbo. As tested via an OBDII reader on my phone.

This engine in the Focus makes it's torque of 125 lb·ft from 1,400–4,500 RPM which would mean the turbo is up and running by 1,400 RPM.

Or just put on a set of Michelin CrossClimate.

When you are testing for good mpg... isn't it simple common sense to drive as carefully as possible???
They are not going to floor it everywhere and boast about it doing 12mpg :wink:
If you want good MPG, drive carefully. If you want performance, it's got that too.
That's what these engines are about.

I live 430 miles north of London and also disagree.

Was looking to get into a focus from the fiesta, might look into this, heat added OP :smiley:

If I'm not mistaken the £1400 goes into the lease, i.e. 1400/24 and you get the extra on top of the £156 a month my guess is it'd be around £214 a month (correct me if I'm wrong)

Bmw 5 series lethal in the snow and ice if you can get it moving that is . Winter tyres and is nearly as good as a 4x4 transformation is massive .
Wouldn't bother with a front wheel drive car

Similar cheap leasing deals also at Lease World.

A thoroughly convincing and detailed argument, conveying an unprecedented level of knowledge:

"There's physics to it". :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Yes, MPG is largely down to driving style - but thats not the whole answer. Manufacturers test cars in perfect conditions - No Traffic Lights, No Speed Bumps, No Roundabouts, No Congestion, Perfect flat, smooth roads - the engine is using very little effort, and doesn't utilize the turbo at all.

Everyday driving is completely different. Stop/Start driving is unavoidable, and each start will use of the turbo unless you creep up the acceleration dead slow (by which time the traffic lights will go back to red by the time the 2nd car has got through - resulting in very annoyed people behind you).

This engine pretty much relies on the turbo to move the weight of the car. If that turbo wasn't there, the car would be as slow as a reliant robin.

I could get into the technicals but end of the day, this is a shopping website so....

A quick Google search shows this Focus to be 427kg heavier than your Fiesta. Combined with a lower BHP..... Could well feel like driving your Fiesta fully loaded up hill. Oh dear.

The Ecosport was well know from the start to be a terrible car.

No, Ford are not unreliable, you just bought a terrible model.

1.0 Focus v 1.6 Focus, courtesy of Fifth Gear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20FVyIYy3NE

I just called yes lease and all cars all gone for this offer , but great deal any way

You can buy a focus for 4 grand, you can buy one for less than two if you buy mine, just about to get it wrapped, probably metallic blue. Immaculate with a full years Mot. The deal is hot but not as hot as my deal, car is immaculate and soon to look awesome :smiley:

Yeah that's a good idea and well worth posting. Thanks for your contribution.

:neutral_face:

Just contacted Yes Lease who advised that this offer is no longer available.

Real world MPG isn't great on this engine

Get in your 1.5 turbo petrol, set off in a clear area (Not on a busy road) and accelerate as gently as you possibly can - literally as softly as you can without the engine stalling (use the torque of the engine). If you do it right, the turbo will hardly be doing a thing. The turbo doesnt just think "oh its 1400 rpm, i need to kick in now" it relies on the exhaust gasses from the air/fuel mixture, which is directly controlled from your accelerator.
You do not get maximum boost pressure just from very light accelerator use!

If theres very little air/fuel going through the engine, the turbo will hardly be doing anything other than spinning lightly.
Anyhting other than the lightest acceleration means the turbo is spinning and boosting - and the manufacturers avoid the peak demands when MPG testing by using very light acceleration - hence they can show very good MPG. Since the turbo is used to force more air into the engine to cause a bigger bang, more fuel can also be injected in too. (Core principle on how turbos operate)

Which i then return to my original comment, its nigh on impossible to drive normally without the use of the turbo. So real world MPG figures will be much worse. I'm guessing you misinterpreted what i wrote?

So not so much Yes lease, as no lease?

Sounds like this was a click bait deal from the beginning. Their Facebook page is dodgy too, the likes went from 7000 to 80,000 over the space of 3 days ,all from FB users in Africa and the Middle East (bought likes).

The deal started on Tuesday night and there were only 15 cars available when I rang up Wednesday morning so I'm surprised the deal lasted this long.

I drive a 1.0 Seat Ateca, the weight must be similar (if not heavier) than a Ford Focus and am averaging 50mpg.

Companies offer cheap lease deals to make cars look more popular than they are.

Just saying I have had two Fords and personally never again, I'm not saying the Focus is good or bad, I'll never know because twice bitten is enough. Just my own opinion so no need to get salty.

Did you get yours on order? You said they were sending you "new forms" to sign? Surely that would be your hire agreement, as you wouldn't need a new application form for a different price?

The form they sent over was a Yes Lease purchase order form, she said the cars are being built this week and will be available for delivery early August (delivered from Allen Ford in Northampton IIRC).

The lease agreement on a personal lease does not get signed until a couple of days before the collection/delivery takes place (that's how the process worked with my Ateca).

Can't find the deal. Link just takes us to a selection of Ford's. Tried manually putting in all the details but it doesn't come up with this idea. Looks like a good deal

Scroll up. It's not available anymore

Keep telling yourself that while others nab the bargains

What a ridiculous comment, an accident only needs to happen once, you probably "do not use the ABS, ASC,ESP etc enough" but they are still fitted as standard

Also, improved braking and traction on winter tires starts from 7 degrees Celsius and down.

How many times do you get 7 degrees or less in the UK? Well often enough

Did you go for it in the end? Yeah I know how the signing of the agreement works, most are only sent out when the car is available. Only deviation I've seen from this was when I leased a Range Rover.

A family member leased a vehicle from Allen Ford direct before, they're a bit on the dodgy side too. They purposely make customers wait 14 days from the day you sign your agreement, to the day of delivery. They do this so that the consumer credit 14 day cooling off period expires before you get the car.

Yeah we went for the deal.

My wife had been looking for a cheap new car and she had settled on a pre reg Vauxhall Viva. After getting the Viva priced up it worked out at £210 per month on a 3 year HP.

I told her she could get a bigger much better car for less on a lease and when this deal showed up we jumped on it.

Not really, if you called this morning you'd have got one. I called at 11, paperwork was returned for the last car at 2.

Central & Yes have the diesel version for a slightly higher price

Hope the rescuers reach you soon. Hang in there.

You clearly need to slow down your Google searches :smiley:

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost ST-Line 1327kg
Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost (140ps) Zetec S 1016kg

Still a significant weight difference, but a very large adult away from 427kg.

It would appear I did search a tad too quickly there, my mistake. My original point still stands though.

Shocking had old and new focus they have ruined a great car

Shocking and ruined but is it better than the £7,500 Vauxhall Viva my wife was looking at buying?

Could you please elaborate a bit?
Heard this more than once, but not sure what it means, why was the old model better?

Had 08 1.6 Zetec brilliant car then traded for ecoboost as no longer 1.6 etc ecoboost vastly underpowered for a car that size weight then add a famliy shocking mpg ford made a huge mistake I got rid asap

I would rather walk

Funny that, as this ecoboost has more power and torque than a 1.6 petrol old version. Our 1.0 ecoboost is currently averaging 41.6 after owning for a week, and climbing as we adapt to the driving style...

Yes with a turbo constantly running it does have More power ? Then u don't get 42mpg it's a con u obviously never owned neither also 1 litre car that size and weight bound to get head gasket problems etc

Hate to tell you this, but if you drive *any* car using all its power, then you'll get rubbish mpg... you don't need to have the turbo in this contributing all the time. I sit at 50-60 on the country roads and it's hovering between 30mpg and 80, depending on the slope of the current hill :smiley:
And have you chosen to ignore my other comments in this thread? I OWN one of these... albeit the titanium model, and I've reported on my own mpg in normal driving...
But you go ahead and see what you want to see.

U owned both ? U don't think a 1 litre focus is bad idea ? My point is the turbo kicks in constantly as it's struggling Not driving like a loon not just my opinion just google ecoboost reviews or ask a mechanic ! this was a huge mistake by ford to put in a famliy car I loved my focus and miss it but I hated my ecoboost and most people online say the same

This is getting dreary now, so this is my last comment...
No, I've not owned both. But you started out by saying the ecoboost was 'vastly underpowered'. Direct quote. I responded by saying it had more power and torque than the model you compared it to. Then you shifted the goalposts and referred to MPG. I pointed out that any car has poor mpg if you have a heavy foot.
Now YOU may have found that in YOUR driving style, you found the newer engine gave worse economy, but that's not the experience of most.
And no, I don't think a 1.0 litre engine is a bad idea. It's called engineering. Can achieve wonderful things when implemented correctly.
If that 1.0 was not the right engine for you, then it's right that you changed, but for many (probably most) then it is a perfectly good compromise between performance and economy. Want economy? Drive lightly, change early, and slow down. Want performance? Put your boot down and enjoy, but watch the fuel gauge.
You simply *don't* have to drive it everywhere with the turbo spinning. If *YOU* do, then it's down to your driving, or your car was faulty. Otherwise how can I be getting the economy we are getting?
If you don't want to get with the times, and alter your driving style to adapt, then that's up to you, but as time goes on, you will find it harder and harder to find naturally aspirated engines with the go you want.
And I still struggle to understand how you think a 100 HP 1.6 focus is nippier than a 125 hp focus, with stacks more torque...
Oh, and last comment:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-reviews/ford/focus/f9147e005aee8f2471f6553e785466f3
Plenty of reviews there, vast majority positive. Not all for EB engine, but plenty are.

Only had more power when turbo kicks in? Putting a hair dryer in a car that size and weight then compensating it with a turbo defeats the whole point of it being energy efficient hence worse mpg Average than a 2008 1.6 FACT yes still gets 3/4 stars average most reviews BUT look at Pre ecoboost reviews

My Seat Ateca is a 1.0l with 113 bhp and weighs 1205kg.

The Ford Focus is a 1.0l with 123 bhp and weighs 1280kg.

I have done 1,000 miles so far in my Ateca and am averaging 50mpg. The mpg does come down when you accelerate up to speed but once crusing at speed the mpg shoots back up.

If you are one of those drivers who tries to get everywhere as fast as possible and constantly accelerates to keep as close to the back bumper of the car infront then these types of engines will not suit your driving style.

Also these engines are no good if you do a lot of short stop/start journeys in cities.