Im running a 1700x on that board with no issues so i cant see any issues you may have. Also there is only two memory slots on that board so it may be better to buy one stick of 8gb ram then it gives you the option to put more in at a later date.

Narrowed it down I think, will these work all work together with the Ryzen 5 1600?

MSI B350M GAMING PRO Socket AM4 AMD Ryzen 7th Gen Athlon DDR4 USB 3.1 Micro ATX Motherboard - Blackamazon.co.uk/gp/…c=1

Corsair CMK8GX4M2B3200C16 Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4 3200 MHz CL16 XMP 2.0 High Performance Desktop Memory Kit - Black amazon.co.uk/gp/…c=1

Anyone still around?

Looking for a motherboard(Needs optical sound output) and Ram to go with this. Any help appreciated.

Maybe it's the picture throwing me? The bracket that came doesn't line up with the backplate, they are a few mm too narrow. I need this bracket with the extended holes: corsair.com/en-…ers
The one you found could be this but not clear in the picture.

Board was the MSI X370 Gaming Plus:
ebuyer.com/791…KBA

Not updated anything yet... I know I should! Preparing for format and fresh install with new hardware so will do it all in one go.
However, ran my MKV tool, old setup took 2 hours 40 mins, this new setup does it in 49 minutes! Well needed upgrade! :grin:

And yes, cracking deals along the way thanks to you!

That's strange as that's specifically listed under AM4 mounts, the block side should be identical, no?

Really glad you got up and running, you landed some killer deals along the way.

Which board did you grab in the end? Get the UEFI updated.

Cheers mate. Built system today, that's the bracket that came with it but doesn't fit, holes don't line up, need bracket with multiple holes..... contacted Corsair, bit rude but are sending me one. For now using Wrath cooler to get me by until bracket arrives from America... but so far so good on system so thanks again for all help!!

Nate, I have no idea what you're talking about. Post reported, stop spreading rumour.

You don't know a thing about me. Mods contacted.

Try this mate:

overclockers.co.uk/cor…tml

Hi Hoff,
Saw the post on the Corsair Cooler but for some reason as I was replying it looks like the post has been removed? Anyway, made the purchase and went to Corsair to order the bracket - once logged in the bracket shows up for free, but delivery is £6.73 so wondering if anywhere in the UK to buy one from? Know anywhere?
The item code is: CW-8960046 and so far I can see somewhere called Eclipse Computers but no doubt be shipping costs there as well. I really dont understand why Corsair wouldnt provide as standard in the kit?

The hoff and myself disagree vehemently on many things, and I've added him to ignore for his aggressive and simply rude replies.

I was not trolling, at all. And you should know Hoff is invested in AMD financially, and has been extremely pro AMD in many threads. His stories of 'oh look how bad intel is' involves increasingly higher levels of fabrication, now he's 'installing 20,000 intel machines'. I'd suggest he was getting 'value for money' here with how staunchly and deeply he supports AMD, but that's ridiculous, he probably actually likes AMD, despite his 20k investment in their stock... I doubt he can actually change that stock value by any reasonable number, so he's not an AMD shill, he just really enjoys AMD, would I use the word Fanboy? Probably. Who knows, maybe Hoff will jump aboard NVIDIA or Intel in the future, but I am skeptical of his bias.

As for 'prices being out of control' I don't agree. Take a look at the Ryzen pricing, the 1600 comes in at 189 while the 1700 is at 282 quid. These are not cheap processors, they fall into similar price slots as the i5 and i7 offerings, yet it's only Intel price milking? AMD's initial offering of Piledriver was exactly the same in terms of pricing, they were not trying to do customers 'favors' when they reduced their Piledriver and bulldozer CPUs, no one was buying them because they were awful.

This idea that Intel is evil and AMD is some super hero for the customer is crazy. The reality is AMD offers competition, but they certainly are not doing any of this as some altruistic motive, they have no market share, so they *must* offer products cheaper.

Haha, me too believe it or not! Apparently its where the money is!? Not seen much yet lol.

I want to stick to the Liquid Cooler idea, the stock fan will be a very short term fix, as in just a couple of weeks! I like the look of the NZXT, just the LED makes it look more appealing (not that I stare into my case).
I looked at the Kraken X52 but doesnt mention AM4 support, so rather stick to something specific in the event of a "claim" if something goes wrong! The Kraken X42 is the alternate option, but only single..... this then pushes back to Corsair but not as nice looking, not that I'm into twinkly lights!!

No worries. I work in the IT space (unfortunately) and agree with your sentiments, the stock cooler will be absolutely fine particularly in a case of good size and decent airflow.

AIO wise, I'd still go for a dual radiator if it's possible but your other option is a Noctua D15 and will achieve equal temps to the top AIO even, they'll put you at £65-75 but are very well regarded, though be warned they're huge!

Any problems when you build, let me know.

Thanks again!
Yes I've never seen a case like it before, wasnt expecting something so big either - its massive! But it has some huge LED multi colour fans on the go, side panel opens and cuts fans with a push button, easily accessible ports, hot swap hard drive bays and up and running looks amazing. Again, something overkill for me :-)

So what you have found is perfect, I actually love the look of the NZXT RL-KRX42-01, so whilst it only has 1 fan and not a double like the Corsair - its looks nicer IMO. Its £93 at the moment which is at a really high end for essentially a cooling fan (I know its a bit more than that). I'm wondering whether I run the stock Ryzen Fan for now (when it arrives) and then keep an eye out for one of these when another "cheap" offer becomes available.

Again, I think for warranty reasons and the things you have mentioned this is the way to go, just need a slight reduction in price as overspent on everything else! lol.

Thanks again Hoff, really appreciated!! Either you love this stuff, or you work in the trade (_;)

I use a Kraken x62 280mm on my S340 Elite, but looking at your case specs it won't support a 280mm radiator (unusual case by the way, never seen it before!), but will fit a 240mm up top (front mounted is preferable IMO, but top is fine).

If you can bare the wait of ordering an AM4 bracket for your build from Corsair, then the H100i V2 AIO's are up there with the best and will allow you a quieter operation than a smaller 120mm based AIO - 2x fans running at lower RPM etc.

Here's the link for compatible coolers, and the code Corsair issued to grab one for free:
corsair.com/en-…zen

To refer you back to the warehouse again, here's some decent 'Like New' deals for £85:
amazon.co.uk/gp/…=40

If you want a smaller cooler, but one that looks very nice (mine's the 280mm version, same pump/LED) there's this one in Warehouse for £74, they look great, just depends on your preferences. You'll also need to order a free AM4 mount from NZXT:

amazon.co.uk/gp/…sed

As for the one you suggested, its perfectly adequate though in my book definitely lower end than the Corsair and NZXT stuff. As with any AIO, check you're happy with the warranty and the collateral coverage in the event of a proven leakage - a good manufacturer will cover the cost of the HW damaged as a byproduct of water damage,Corsair and NZXT have covered failures in the past - GPU, boards and such. For that reason I'd always go as OTT on cooling as I can afford, OC ability, CPU longevity also factored.

Update - As for the one you mentioned, have a read of this, as per the above, check your warranty over saving £20 :smile:

Seriously though - its been a massive help! So thanks again!

I have a Thermaltake Level 10 GT
amazon.co.uk/The…94S

So plenty of room inside. I considered the H45 just because of again its price tag, reviews are good, and I was hoping I could change the stock fan for an LED one - just to make it match the other lights on this case.
I also looked at this one: ebuyer.com/730…OQg

Having no experience with Liquid Coolers I've not researched them much to be honest.

No problems, happy to help.

What case have you got? I'm looking to ascertain how bit of a radiator you could squeeze in there.

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Are you an Amazon Prime user, or can you sign up for a trial - 20% off select warehouse items?amazon.co.uk/Pat…dr4
These are a good deal, only 1 left though:reviewstudio.net/237…ing
If you're not too fussed about speeds you can make a saving with these too.
Other options:
3200 TridentZ - £55 - amazon.co.uk/gp/…sed
(These are excellent with Ryzen)
My personal order of preferences would be:
1. 3200 TridentZ, these should OC to 3333/3400.
2. 3400 Patriot, also a good choice, slightly less resale than the TridentZ that are well regarded.
3. 2400 Cheapo sticks, if you really don't care...
Personally, unless you can guarantee you'd be getting the Samsung variant of the Corsair LPX (you can tell by referencing the version number on the sticker) which probably anybody other than OCUK/Nova etc wouldn't bother confirming for you I wouldn't risk the Hynix chips.
The Patriot and the Trident RAM is categorically Samsung, and will give you better OC and compatibility across the various AGESA releases.[/quote]

Thanks mate! Well impressed with your finds! They all look good to be honest, and actually cheaper than I expected.

I'm going to go with your advice, the TridentZ for £55 - for the sake of a couple of marks which I'm not going to see then thats good ram for budget money! My board only allows up to 3200 so at least I get top end from these.

Again, really appreciate all your help! Going to get these ordered now and hopefully I should receive all items next week for my build.

Whilst on - whats your thoughts about liquid cooling? I was told with Ryzen its best to get something better than the stock fan so considered this: amazon.co.uk/gp/…c=1

Would like the LED fan version to be honest, but I dont want £100+ on something that lights up my case but offers nothing more than the one above.

Again - well impressed on RAM - thank you!!!

Are you an Amazon Prime user, or can you sign up for a trial - 20% off select warehouse items?



amazon.co.uk/Pat…dr4

These are a good deal, only 1 left though:
reviewstudio.net/237…ing



If you're not too fussed about speeds you can make a saving with these too.

Other options:

3200 TridentZ - £55 - amazon.co.uk/gp/…sed
(These are excellent with Ryzen)

My personal order of preferences would be:

1. 3200 TridentZ, these should OC to 3333/3400.
2. 3400 Patriot, also a good choice, slightly less resale than the TridentZ that are well regarded.
3. 2400 Cheapo sticks, if you really don't care...

Personally, unless you can guarantee you'd be getting the Samsung variant of the Corsair LPX (you can tell by referencing the version number on the sticker) which probably anybody other than OCUK/Nova etc wouldn't bother confirming for you I wouldn't risk the Hynix chips.

The Patriot and the Trident RAM is categorically Samsung, and will give you better OC and compatibility across the various AGESA releases.

Hello mate. Yes see what you're saying, not a like for like comparison which then makes me question why through that into the mix; but then again I suppose they were comparing value for money.

Budget - for what I do, I dont really want to go over £90 tops ideally - the main reason for this is its a household PC. We are talking 90% of the time general use, internet explorer and playing the odd music track maybe, it goes on maybe every other day for an hour at best. I know, I know, overkill on the hardware!
However, weekends is when I play with MKV files, so run them through Handbrake or another video tool so they become compatible with a blu ray player or TV. I did find this which suggests good CPU and not down to RAM.
hardforum.com/thr…39/

The other video tool I use is GoPro Studio, so a mix of graphics, CPU and memory I would guess. I have an MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti graphics card which I hope assists in the process somewhere.

So really, RAM comes down to me not 'overdoing' it hence me thinking 8gb more than enough. No gaming, no VM's, no streaming, basic use and the odd video conversions. Obviously I want best value for money, and future proof hence going for a decent board and CPU.

That help?

Hi mate, will grab some options RAM wise. RE the DDR4 link and the Ripjaws sticks, bare in mind they're 2400 sticks (the slowest on that sheet) despite the other sticks being 2666-3200. In that sense, the sheet is only useful when comparing like-for-like.

Honestly, with Ryzen you're absolutely best with G.Skill as you can guarantee the chips will be Samsung and in the case of Trident/RipJaws 5's they're B-Die which will give you the most bang for buck if you decide to OC your RAM, now or in the future.

What's the budget?

I agree with your sentiment of the 8/16GB scenario, gaming does not require more RAM as a general premiss, but applications vary considerably and this is where you need to do some homework - the typical use cases where 8GB will suffer are in the event of running any additional VM's of which you'd attribute a portion of your RAM to each machine, typically you'd want 1-2GB for each allocated, so with 8GB it's not long before your host will suffer. Obviously this isn't RDP based scenarios, just locally hosted VM's.

Here's a recent overview: techspot.com/art…am/

Photoshop/Premiere can see a benefit if you're working with huge files, as can audio creation DAW based SW where you're juggling 10's-100's of tracks.

Hi Hoff,

Thanks again for all your help with this. Its taken some time but I have now finally ordered this CPU and the Mobo discussed - MSI X370
ebuyer.com/791…lus

RAM I got rather stuck on, going round in circles in this area as no matter where you look each person or review does not seem to give an exact answer.
In my case, video editing (not gaming) then 8gb or 16gb appear to make no difference, in fact in gaming it made very little, it appears having more ram than is needed makes no difference to speed or performance. So if you only use 6gb of ram for a game or loaded system, then apparently 8gb and 16gb will perform the same (according to a review), so there is no gain in buying more than you need. Only zipping files and compression of this sort made any impact.

With this in mind, I think 8gb should suit. Price between 2400,2666,3000 is about a tenner, so thinking the Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 for £70.
ebuyer.com/719…15r

Did look at Ripsaw, but this review did not rate it very well in this line up....
trustedreviews.com/bes…-up

Going to order the RAM today, as always any opinion you have most welcomed! I've pretty much designed my system on your advice and guidance as the past few years have changed so much I've touch with it all, so someone with experience is much appreciated.
Thanks again.

Just in case you hadn't bought one yet, these are also worth considering (if you're an Amazon Prime user) with the 20% off:

amazon.co.uk/gp/…56P

Cooler with 1600 is fine unless you're pushing 3.9+, you only need 3200 RAM and unless you have a specific need you also only need 16GB RAM.

Well honestly I hardly even use my PC. I'm sitting opposite it now using my laptop. The PC is more like a nas and an experiment workbench for Linux. Oc'd the 2500k to 4.7 stable with an air cooler and I just like ryzen, because deep down im an underdog fan and used to love it when athlon was on top.

The thing that stings isn't the processor, it's the Mobo+processor+ram+cooler. Will cost nearly £450 to get 32gigs of ram a decent Mobo chip and cooler.

Yes. 2500k is decent especially if you overclock it. Unless you need to upgrade for certain tasks.

If its games then stick to what you have.

The Ryzen are amazing deals though! No brainer at the prices. I know what my new pc will use. You would be crazy to go Intel. The new benchmarks indicate more gains due to increased support.

Only you can answer that mate, if you feel it's creaking or you want to shift it while resale is reasonable (no idea what they go for), then it seems justified.

If however your system is running to satisfaction and you don't envisage more cumbersome workloads or needs in the next 12 months, it may be worth waiting to see how the market settles with Zen2/Intel.

I sold my 4770k and went to Ryzen and I don't miss my 4770k one bit, the thing ran way too hot for my liking and in the summer used to pish me off with fan noise.

The Ryzen runs much cooler, even 15 mins on Realbench stress test will only hit 60 deg with ambient temps of low/mid 20's.

For me, I wanted the performance in general compute but also gaming, that's exactly what it gives me. Significantly quicker render times for video's and chews through my finance sheets. Gaming runs great too.

Pulling the trigger or not? :-)

Sounds like a worthy upgrade for my aging 2500k.

Or should I wait?

You'll be best placed with the 1600 as you'll have read about. The 1500 is fine, but really especially at this price it's taking a larger compromise with cache, speed and cores than is worth while for an avid PC user, if performance and longevity is important to you.

Of course, a 1500 is more than capable especially if approached with a stop gap mentality to see how Zen2 turns out, but VFM is strong with the 1600 today and I'd expect it to last a healthy 5 years before needing a something new, much like the Sandybridge CPU we've seen.

Enjoy your build!

Nvm. Just realised the 1500 and 1500x are 4 cores. You are right. 6 core 12 threads for 90+% of people myself included. And you save £100!

Ta. Use case may be editing, but mostly more cores = more power. Thought stock cooler would be fine and I was looking at a total vfm.

Wouldn't the r5 1500 do just as well, or is it the 1500x that has the six cores?

Can't see why the r5 1600 is that good TBH.

Thanks for the Mobo and ram recommends. Planning a system rebuild shortly.

'Downgrade' is relative though.

You'll only notice a downgrade if you game with a card faster than a 1070 (so a GTX 1080, 1080 Ti or Titan X) which is a tiny proportion of the market seeing as how expensive those cards are. You'll need the fastest cards to expose any kind of CPU bottleneck. If you game with a 1070 tier card or under, the difference is literally a few FPS (utterly unnoticeable and irrelevant) whist gaining more performance in multi-threaded and general everyday CPU tasks.

Use case? I've a 1700 but the 1600 has its merits from a VFM perspective.

Unless you have a need for the 8 cores like editing and creation I'd recommend the 1600.

RAM, 3200C16 Trident Z.
Board, MSI X370 board above is very good value with the cashback. If you want a top tier board get a Crosshair 6 Hero (mine) or Asrock Taichi.

To be honest, you can't go too far wrong but be aware the stock cooler will need upgrading if you want low noise past 3.8/3.9ghz OC, in which case get a Noctua, or AIO cooler from Corsair or NZXT (make sure it's AM4 compatible).

This is an awesome price. Ordered.

This or r7 1700 with cooler? Also which Mobo/ram?

I'd go for this with the cashback as it's an x370 board so technically superior chipset wise, and probably more desirable at resale.

box.co.uk/MSI…tml

Thanks Hoff!
Needless to say, I'm still putting together my list to make sure I get the best value for money and equally as important the right/best components!

You mentioned before that this board would suit me best over the few I had selected:
aria.co.uk/Pro…582

A new deal popped up on this site earlier, which is this:
hotukdeals.com/dea…066

Would you recommend any other these over what I'm planning to get already?

Thanks again

tomshardware.com/rev…tml

I'm sure the detractors know better, but Toms HW listed Ryzen 1600 range in the recommended gaming CPU's over their Intel counterparts.

I'm sure they're wrong...

Exactly. And it just got worse after the Core 2 duo phase. I agree, AMD just went nuts after that. Made no impact next to Intel.

I certainly hope you're bang on Hoff. The eternal optimist within me, loves a good comeback. Lol I'm in shock of my hatred with Intel.

I wouldn't rule out Vega. Initially there was more hype from what I heard about Vega than the Zen platform. I hope Vega delivers because Nvidia need a good kick up the backside as well.

Lol. There's a lot of people that love a good natter.

They've always been expensive. I remember buying my first Pentium 3 machine, and later decided to switch to AMD when they launched the Athlon T-Bird which smashed Intel every which way.

After that AMD just self destructed as Intel launched their Duo products with no reply.

ST and MT wise, this is just the beginning, AMD are firmly on the front foot with their infinity fabric scaling and yield wise they're head and shoulders above Intel and their current lines.

Shame Vega looks to be firmly average based on the FE card.

RE Nate, no need to apologise to him. He loves an argument, that's the only reason he visits every single AMD post.

My bad Hoff. Its hard to separate people that Troll and fanboys. Apologies Nate.

Yeah I saw your link. Made for interesting reading. Part of me really wants to believe in AMD, even though I've been burned before. I just don't like monopolies in industries like this one. Intel never was a brand for providing value for money for consumers but they've been dreadful since I'd say Sandbridge. Prices have been out of control.

I read your link about X299 being broken. I still can't believe that's true. Hard to imagine Intel being so poor. I did hear something about hyperthreading leading to instability but honestly, whilst any of this could be true. The only real impact it'll show to make will be through sales and market share. I want Intel to get its just deserts after milking the market since the mid 2000s to now. The amount of money they've made is ridiculous.

Don't worry about Nate, he's just trolling.

To prove your point, the Guru3d article I posted previously cites the progress made on the platform, it's developing well.

REF Intel, well X299 is a nightmare and this week I recall HT on ALL Kabylake and Skylake chips is broken and needs a software fix. Last month I spent about 2 weeks patching 20k+ desktops because of a vulnerability in Intel's management software.

Intel are getting worse and worse:

arstechnica.com/sec…rs/

extremetech.com/com…ial

extremetech.com/com…ake

Nothing but roses with Intel.

Looks fine though if you can find G.Skill Ripjaws V or Trident RAM for similar cash, I'd go for that - guaranteed Samsung IC then.

Like these uk.pcpartpicker.com/pro…gvk

Given you've no interest in gaming, check to see the impact of 8GB Vs 16GB on the apps you mention, 2666mhz of 16GB capacity might be a better option in your case.

I didn't ask you to believe in anything. I asked you to understand it. What you do with the facts is up to you.

I don't see or hear about any misconception. I never bought into the bulldozer series or anything before the new Zen platform. There's nothing to suggest the gaps were down to bugs in hardware. The gains from fixes and adjustments made by developers to the new platform say this.

[tomshardware.com/new…ion,34021.html] This stuff is easy to find but for the sake of this debate, I'll put one link here.

You mind pointing out to me a launch whereby things have run 100% from day 1? Because from where I'm sitting, most things get better with patches within the first few months of release.

Just to point out. I never mentioned daily basis anywhere. Nobody is that proficient in development.

I agree probably under used in most systems.. I personally have started using unraid so extra cores is a bonus

Sure, you're right. I was comparing the more expensive processor, the 1600x, which is better, but not better value for money, than the 1600.

I still don't think the 1600 is the right purchase for many people. The G4560 is a great processor that suites many people, and rings up at 50-60 quid. Hard to beat that 'bang for buck'.

If you need software rendering, as a primary task, which is NOT that common.... Then the 1700 is a great purchase.

The 6 core 1600 is in a weird position, as 6 cores really don't do much benefit, and if you are software rendering enough to care about the extra cores, why on earth would you go for 6?

Can I just point out you have linked a thread about the 1600x which has a higher tdp than the 1600, costs more than the 1600 and does not include a cooler like the 1600.

The 1600 is the best bang for buck processor out today.. don't take my word for it go research it. But don't get it confused with the x

I simply do not believe your word. You are asking for me to believe in unicorns and rainbows.

Link these 'massive, daily, performance gains' as I don't buy it.

There is this misconception that AMD 'gets better with age' but most changes are well within 10% from their original spot.

And you aren't too far off, the 'gap' isn't huge, but you know what is annoying? Bugs in hardware that cause crashes, performance issues, and other such things.

You say "performance gains" I say "Headaches, bugs, and teething issues".

I would give way more than 10% performance for a rock solid platform, as would most people.

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I'd go with the Strix, higher tier which should mean better UEFI support (Crosshair 6 always gets updated before X370 Prime etc), plus you also get a free game with it with Forza Horizon 3 (great game) and can account for £30 of the £40 uplift of cheaper boards.aria.co.uk/asu…za3
Ryzen wise, go for 3200C16 RAM ideally as there's a good chance you'll squeeze 3333C17 out of it, Samsung B-Die RAM is still the best supported sticks, G.Skill Trident or (some) Corsair LPX but they also use Hynix which doesn't OC quite as well, though it catching up with newer UEFI. Don't get Micron supplied RAM as it stinks.
Final point on RAM, stick to 2 sticks, single sided RAM. Quad sticks is still harder on the IMC to get a good OC at low latency.[/quote]
Thanks for the advice!

So I think I'm almost there:
Mobo:
aria.co.uk/Pro…582

Ram:
aria.co.uk/Pro…625

Build - uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…YZ8

Keeping in mind I'm not a gamer, this is just an upgrade to get up to date for the next 'good few' years, and the odd bit of video editing - MKVMerge, handbrake, GoPro Studio etc......

You have understand though, that right now the difference between AMD and Intel in single thread is changing on a weekly to monthly basis as, AMD and developers adjust and send out fixes. The gap isn't even that big as of right now and is barely noticeable for most users. AMDs platform is more prosperous right now. Games that didn't run well on Ryzen 7 at its release, put out some fixes and already the gains have been massive. Intel should be worried. Very worried.

Intel have turned into an absolute joke. Its ridiculous how greedy they've become. Charge way over the top for minor performance improvements and even then they only really beat AMD in single threaded tasks. If you overclocked the old Bullbozer series, you could match them in multi-tasking at stock. Although running hot and everything combined meant it wasn't worth it.

From what I've seen Intel deserve every bit of what they're getting. Should count their lucky stars that AMD, like you said, don't have the marketing to really capitalize and make them pay. I have high hopes though moving forward, that AMD can get to a point where they match Intel in single threaded performance or at least minimise the loss to 5%. That's negligible and when you look at the savings in money and performance gains with apps increasingly becoming used to using multiple cores. Its swinging back to AMD.

Unless you are running cinebench, this is nearly worthless in the real world.

techpowerup.com/rev…0X/

The 1600x is a competitive processor, but the vast majority of applications do not, and will not, use 8 cores effectively.

Giving up single threaded performance is massive, as the overwhelming majority of users are single core performance users.

The overwhelming majority of games also use, right now, 2 to 4 cores.

IF, and a big IF, you do *software* rendering, then the Ryzen lineup is excellent, and you should get a Ryzen 1700.

If you don't do software rendering, there is no compelling reason to go Ryzen over a similar cost Intel.

Also, if you do software rendering, you know this already.

None of those.

Get a cheaper CPU.

amazon.co.uk/Int…560

Why spend 200 quid on a CPU for your needs seem extremely excessive.

Heck, if you want AMD/Ryzen, go with something cheaper, like the Ryzen 1200 for 120 when it comes out.

Given the state of x299 in general I think Intel may be the ones needing to reconsider their recent investment.

If AMD had a better marketing machine they'd have done more damage to Intel that they had already.

Here's the latest article which asks questions of the platform:
m.hexus.net/tec…er/

Cheers Hoff. If I were upgrading I'd go with AMD, simply because they need the money but also to send a message to Intel. They've been slacking for a long time because there is no competition for them.

Just to echo the progress:

guru3d.com/art…tml

I'd say they're about on par with one another. Although the improvements Ryzen is getting from AMD and developers has already brought them progress and there's a long way to go yet. More life to be found in this processor and series than in Intel put simply.

Consensus across multiple sources is that single threaded is Intel but multi core/threaded is now AMD. More and more things are becoming multiple threaded/cored. Make of that what you will...

I'd go with the Strix, higher tier which should mean better UEFI support (Crosshair 6 always gets updated before X370 Prime etc), plus you also get a free game with it with Forza Horizon 3 (great game) and can account for £30 of the £40 uplift of cheaper boards.

aria.co.uk/asu…za3

Ryzen wise, go for 3200C16 RAM ideally as there's a good chance you'll squeeze 3333C17 out of it, Samsung B-Die RAM is still the best supported sticks, G.Skill Trident or (some) Corsair LPX but they also use Hynix which doesn't OC quite as well, though it catching up with newer UEFI. Don't get Micron supplied RAM as it stinks.

Final point on RAM, stick to 2 sticks, single sided RAM. Quad sticks is still harder on the IMC to get a good OC at low latency.

Barring aesthetic, I/O ports and audio options there's very little to choose between them.
I ordered the Crosshair 6 on release but in terms of OC ability it probably only buys me 0.2ghz over the cheaper boards, primarily because of better power phasing and reliability, but I love the look of it :smile:‌ uk.pcpartpicker.com/use…VnQ[/quote]

Wish I had the money for a board and ram like that!!
I would like something that looks good, plus the Asus I mentioned has horrid reviews so steering well clear of that one. Seen a nicer looking board here: ebuyer.com/780…ayz

Also another here: aria.co.uk/Pro…582
But is worth the extra for ambient lighting on the board I ask lol :D:D:D


Ebuyer have a stack of options: ebuyer.com/sto…ing
Need to carefully look now at a board that looks nice, but will do the job

For anyone currently building with this CPU, how are you dealing with the GPU shortages currently? All other parts are bought, but can't get a hold of a RX580 for anything close to reasonable and seems like it could be a long wait for stock :disappointed:

Barring aesthetic, I/O ports and audio options there's very little to choose between them.

I ordered the Crosshair 6 on release but in terms of OC ability it probably only buys me 0.2ghz over the cheaper boards, primarily because of better power phasing and reliability, but I love the look of it :smile:

uk.pcpartpicker.com/use…VnQ

Thanks. Looking just at the B350 now, want to stick to normal size board as I have a HUGE case!
Seen this at Aria: aria.co.uk/Pro…251

Its around the price region I was expecting, so will shop around just in case its worth the extra ££ for something slightly better, but has the SATA ports I need and USB 3 so almost there!

Here's an alternative cheap build I put together for this CPU, trying to sway a mate from buying a OneX.

mATX board but matters not, choose a smaller case if you want minimal.

PCPartPicker part list: uk.pcpartpicker.com/lis…PkT

Thank you!! Going to take a look now....

In terms of single core use you should download CPU-Z
cpuid.com/sof…tml

Click on the BENCH tab once running and then 'validate' which will test your CPU. Once the test has finished (not long) then you get a drop down box below and you can then select different CPU's like the Ryzen to show the difference between what you have and what you would get by changing.
With my current CPU; a hamster is an upgrade :wink:

Thinking about upgrading my FX8350 to this.
Any idea what I'd get on ebay for my old CPU and 32gb DDR3 Ram (would have to check brand/ spec)

And what would I have to spend on CPU, mboard and 32Gb DDR4 ram - recomendations please. What speed DDR4 do I realistically need?

Will be used for a variety of things, including virtual machines and a bit of gaming with a 1050ti. Also use xplane which is pretty much single threaded. I realise intel is better for this but would rather buy new tech and the other stuff I do will benefit more from more cores. Any idea what increase I'd get in single core use over a 8350?

Thanks

Get the cheapest B350 you can find that has the features you need. Use Pcpartpicker site.

In your case a pricey board on x370 with better VRM phasing is likely a waste.

Asus B350 Prime or MSI Mortar perhaps.

Nope, not really. The X chips have a slightly larger stepping for their XFR but if you're going to OC then this is irrelevant, if you're not OCing (they're all unlocked, or K chips in Intel terms) then there's also very little difference, XFR is pretty useless for consumers.

This will also include a stock cooler and fun at slightly lower voltage.

Any recommendations on an AM4 board? Not for gaming.... I'm thinking a B350 or X370? Not sure what; if much difference there is between them but advice appreciated..... (personally not Gigabyte, not a good track record)

Same here, my 1055T still going strong at ~3.8Ghz but it's time to let it retire after long service. Considered 1700 as well but don't use PC that much this days to justify circa £100 extra so went with this one. Thanks OP

So apart from core count/speed is there any significant difference in performance between this one and 1600x, 1700x and 1800x.

​FX8320E and OC about 40% or so for maximum cost effectiveness :wink:

For gaming, you would be losing out and it would be a downgrade. For tasks such as rendering and video work the ryzen will be better as it has more cores.

Looking at one of these to upgrade my every so slightly ageing 1055T....but also tempted by the 1700.