I think an Xbox One S is a better value 4k BluRay player

Its better value as a gaming console but not as a UHD player. I was happy with the Xbox but now use this player and the difference in PQ is insane.

I think an Xbox One S is a better value 4k BluRay player

cheers ended up ordering one off eBay for £240 as I'm impatient :wink:

Keep watching here, http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Panasonic-Official-Outlet/_i.html?_fsub=5800807014

UB700 £199 & UB900 £349 Official refurbs, 12 months warranty. Of course they sell quickly though but generally they put 1 or 2 on every few days at about 06:00am, look in sold listings etc.

Curses!
So, the XB1S isn't quite up to the necessary mark.
OK, couldn't find this one @ the price originally posted so I went looking for a £200 refurb.
Couldn't find that either.
I did find a 'hardly used' Panny DMP-UB900, with 2 x 4K films in ex cond that I don't have (& am very happy to have), for £270 (inc P&P).
I look forward to seeing the difference.

I'm planning on trading the XB1S for a Scorpio when they are released (or shortly after, maybe 1st price drop) hopefully they get it right on that one.

For those slating the move to 4k I'd just say this, I wanted a larger set (moving from a plasma 50" to a 65") and the Hisense 65M7000 I now have is superb.
Even (to my surprise) SD content is perfectly watchable, HD TV looks great and Netflix & Amazon 4k looks very nice too, 1080p Blu-ray is outstanding & the 4k films I have now look a definite step-up using the XB1S.

I don't feel I have anything to 'justify' to myself, the new set is clearly the improvement I was after (& @ £1000 it was, in my opinion, a bargain - & will do very nicely for a few years until OLED, or whatever comes next, matures).

refurbs available on ebay with 12 month warranty for £199

Nice. Please comment when you have owned an compared both.

There will be minor differences as the disc is encoded with 4:2:0 chroma which needs to be processed and converted to the desired chroma output, which in the Panasonics case is 4:4:4. Whether or not these are noticeable at normal viewing distances is open to debate.

It's probably more important to chose a player that matches your set properly; until recently this Panasonic was a bad choice for some LG/Samsing TVs as they didn't like the 12bit output, but that seems to have been fixed.

Far more variation is seen by players forced noise reduction, disc noise, loss of lip-sync, hdmi-cec integration with your brand of TV etc etc.

The Xbox for example is useless to me because my TV can't pass through 5.1 signal and my reciever can't pass through the 4k signal. Because it's only got one HDMI output I could not get surround sound. It's also too noisy and has lip sync issues and doesnt work properly with the HDMI-cec on my TV.

So in my case, I'd rather have this player as I don't need a games console.

Swings and roundabouts.

Ouch! OK :confused:

It all depends on what you want, if you're just after a 4k Blu-ray player I'd much rather buy a dedicated one with full support for Dolby Amtos/DTS X, and with the capability of playing back 4k content via network etc.

I still think this is BS. Surely the data on the UHD disc defines the colours, the player shouldn't need to mess with this stuff.

as far as i can tell, the summary of the article is that the xbox one s natively does some extra processing to RGB which can be switched off, therefore meaning it'll end up outputting the same signal to the TV. it is then up to the TV to decode and display, so you've sort of proved my point...

Wrong!


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oppo-203-201705024457.htm

If you scroll down you will see a comparison photo too.

SD will look best on a 720p set as less pixel spread. 1080p best on a 1080p set and 4K on a 4K set. If the source and screen are the same then this is about as good as it gets as no upscaling is required. 4K on a 4k set will look better than 1080p on a 1080p set though.

this.

unless you have an absolute top of the line TV i dont think it will make an appreciable difference

Nope. It needs to read the data from the disk and process it to send it down the cable.

It doesn't just transmit the raw 1's and 0's from a disk and have the TV decode everything.

I think the dedicated 4k players may have better image processing but whether you will notice maybe down to how good your TV is.....

This was my thinking...

From my experience, just having upscaled HD, or even SD, justifies a 4K TV :smirk:

I have this player and on mine it locks up the first time you switch it on and try to play a UHD disc. Turn it off and on again and it plays fine - all firmware up to date. Annoying but otherwise it plays OK.

Wouldn't it be CHEAPER to get a PS3/4?, OR an XBOX 360 or something?. :-(

Lol.

Surely the digital data transmitted down the HDMI cable to the TV is the same when the Xbox reads it from the disc, as when this player reads it from the disc. Not sure how picture quality can be different???

Really? In what way is pq better over the Xbox?

I am going to guess all the people who invested in a 4k TV then realising that there are few quality 4k feeds available, desperately feel the need to justify to themselves why they brought a 4k TV in the first place?.../:stuck_out_tongue:

looking at the price / availability of 4k bu-rays it doesn't seem a format that any of the main films companies are interested in pushing...

Code not valid?

heat given as you have just reminded me I need to get my Samsung 4k blu-ray player on ebay, I had totally forgotten about it.

and obviously because this deal is a decent price :smile:

Picture quality.

what's a pq

I had my price match confirmed yesterday. JL will usually match a voucher code if is displayed on the actual product page itself, as the one at Hughes is (EDIT; Was). Voucher codes from elsewhere on the same retailer website or externally are much less likely to be matched, but still often worth a go, particularly on a run-out model.

Edit: Voucher code now expired and no longer valid.

Back to £279

Good price, not sure that John Lewis will match the price with a voucher code though.
"We don't match prices only available via 3rd party websites, or with voucher codes."
https://m.johnlewis.com/customer-services/prices-and-payment/conditions-for-price-matching

not worth touching ytge 400/ 300 with a bargepole . good price