Very good movie. Watch this before you vote.

Utter nonsense and horribly ignorant. As somebody who has worked with long-term unemployed individuals with difficult circumstances I can tell you that I was disappointed with this film because it's SO mild. Granted, Ken Loach probably made it deliberately mild to try to reach people who are completely unaware of the living conditions of those who are less fortunate, it's a shame that it didn't make you feel any compassion or empathy for your neighbours.

FWIW I'm not remotely interested in politics, it bores me to tears, nor am I a fan of Ken Loach (That's not to say that I dislike him) but to dismiss the film as propaganda is very unfair and untrue.

As a fan of film I didn't like it tbh but I can appreciate what it was trying to achieve.

A couple of years ago I would have dismissed this film as fiction, as had been briefly unemployed 30 odd years ago when you just got your dole money if you had done no work.

However after being made redundant last year after 30 year's I found the film to be spot on, even as a previous poster said , milder than it actually is.

Some of the words I would use ,,dehumanising , disgusting, and totalitarian , I have never in my life been treated with such disdain , I don't blame the staff some of whom looked as disgusted as I was, but also many on little on power trips.

I was even in the same situation as Daniel, my doctor did not want me to work till my health issues were resolved, so I was sent for an assessment , the result of which was they assessed me to be fit for some work commensurate with my health problems, so fair enough I thought and went to sign on.

This was the fun bit ☹ , the woman I saw (nurse hatchet) said I could not claim ESA (sick pay) because I was fit for work but I also could not claim normal benefits unless I signed to say I was fit for all work something their own assessment said I could not do......so had to basically sign a document to say I was fit for work or stay in a catch 22 situation

To see Ian Duncan Smith constantly on the TV saying these things could not happen really was the icing on the cake..

Anyway great film .......and I guess you know who I will be voting for

No just a honest reflection

now that you've seen May in the head to head (oh wait)...

no, just feels that long...

10 years? Are you Diane Abbot's mathematician?

coz 10 years of tory is SOOO working...

The one question everyone needs to ask themselves is would you trust the defence of this country to a terrorist apologist?

Many people are shouting about how many terrorist's have been let into this country. If Comrade Corbyn is voted in can you imagine how many more there will be.

Want more attacks like Manchester? Vote Corbyn.

Again you treat opinions as facts. Not a fact they are "gutting" the "nhs, education, police and our rights" it is just your opinion that they are. The same as you say they have caused a "massive amount of damage" again I don't recognise that, just a biased hugely exaggerated personal opinion. If I really believed that then I might have abstained from voting altogether as I could never vote for Corbyn for the reasons below.

I'm not a traditional Conservative voter but I support a true rather than false half in - half out "soft" Brexit, a fudge compromise backed by remainers only, who try to cling on to their beloved EU best they can. Secondly I can't support someone who will leave this country insecure against other states because he's a pacifist hippy and leave us insecure against terrorism, someone who has repeatedly refused to back anti-terrorism legislation and someone who has been a terrorist friend and supporter throughout his life. As for his economics, some quite left populist policies on offer but will IMHO cause more harm than good and can't be financed without economic meltdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESlGBihChH4
A fresh video on YouTube that describes what you say in a very nice way. Apparently made by junior doctors, whom I believe are in a good position to describe the effect of Tory policies on the NHS.

On this note, for those who can not trust the media, it is best to try to talk directly to people who are in a position to tell you the REAL situation of our public services.....if you want to know about the NHS: talk to doctors, nurses or patients...if you want to know about the effect of police cuts (that has been overseen by May): ask a policeman or a crime victim.....if you want to know about the situation in our schools: ask a mother or a teacher....etc

Having opposing views is fine as long as doesn't cause suffering to other people. The issues with tories is that you support the gutting of nhs, welfare, education, police and our rights. If you didn't you wouldn't vote tory. The tories have caused massive amount of damage and been treating the sick and poor especially like their lives aren't worth it. By voting tory you support all that. That's the problem.

You're a Corbyn supporter you should be an expert on fiction lol.

This internet lark is good isn't it...lets you write fiction.....

You need to go look 'irony' up. Comrade Corbyn has won nothing is behind in every opinion poll and will shortly be returning to his Moscow flat with his lovely peaked cap. Lmao.

I believe May is obligated to attend tonight...

ooh the irony....

Won't be surprised if the Tories send Amber Rudd instead of May.

Talking of Top Gear - laters loser. Lol.

Yes just keep holding that thought, if it keeps you warm at night...meanwhile in the real world tories are doing more U-turns than Top Gear

Comrade Corbyn has shot himself in the foot more times than Billy the Kid. Lol. Two more weeks and off he'll go back into obscurity just like Comrade Foot.

Lol
No , I just let the tories do it themselves....Expect a bigger prat fall tonight from the weeping Angel

That the best you got comrade? Lol.

Tories eh...just can't help themselves
Tory Dominic Raab jeered over food bank comments
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/29/tory-mp-dominic-raab-jeered-over-food-bank-comments

Overpriced at 99p for a Ken Loach film.

Very ad hominem he says after calling people Tory shills in the same sentence! Hypocritical? Yeah not much.

Where did he attack you ad hominem? He just said people have very short memories.

What believe in the hard left propaganda from apologists like yourself instead? The above is complete fact that has been researched thoroughly by those putting it together. Just because the above is unpalatable to you doesn't mean it's not the truth.

Also some poster above says about ad hominem attacks from 'Tories' on here but most are from Corbynites like yourself above trying to insult people personally just because they have opposing views.

Unfortunately the torries expect the working class to pay for the mistakes made by their friends in the banks.Big business DO NOT pay their fair share and despite the torries pledge to crack down on tax avoidance by these companies have we seen any proof this has happened?No.But they have no problem implementing cuts to disabled people who can least afford it yet turn a blind eye to likes of Amazon ,Vodafone etc ,who clearly don't pay as they 'provide employment' so are exempt by all accounts.

We'll see who's laughing in a couple of weeks comrade. Stultus est sicut stultus facit.

The reason the comrades are out in force is because you have no chance of persuading a majority of voters to leave the country in the hands of comrade Corbyn - a terrorist apologist and economical fantasist. Lol.

That's another myth that the Tory media has been repeating.
First, the economy was performing well under labour till 2008, when the whole world (not only us) suffered from the financial crisis. The £500 Billion rescue packages to the banks were a decision made by Labour (which I believe was not fair). To say that Labour couldn't run the country for 10 years is a wrong statement. By all financial standards, Labour oversaw an economic growth till 2008 then started very effective measures to solve the WORLD'S financial crisis.
More importantly, what Corbyn is currently offering is a fresh type of politics and financial plans that will promote prosperity for everyone (not only the privileged few).

Try to read from non-biased media, with an open mind, if you really want to know what Corby is offering.

And there you go ...Ad hominem...please your embarrassing yourself lol

And Labour couldn't run the country for 10 years............You have a very short memory, but hopefully everyone else hasn't.

Lol at the tory Shills on this thread...very Ad hominem, Literally the tories could not run a bath at the moment

A vote for Comrade Corbyn will be a vote for our already miniscule defence forces being reduced even further and even more terrorists invited into the country.

Can you imagine what would happen if Argentina invaded The Falkland Isles if Corbyn was Prime Minister? He'd go and help them raise the Argentinian flag in Port Stanley.

I got taken in by Corbyn as a down to earth genuine harmless old hippy fool.

But now I see him as a power hungry disingenuous dangerous old hippy fool.

What's on your mind...

Just I used to think of Corbyn as a down to earth harmless and genuine old hippy fool. Best suited protesting n the back benches.

Now I see him as a disingenuous, dishonest, dangerous, power hungry old fool. Best suited stood on the platform campaigning for terrorist groups.

Corbyn has denied over and over he never met with any IRA: https://order-order.com/2017/05/26/corbyn-lies-never-met-ira

May has been criticised for backtracking but nothing compared with Corbyn's constant refusals to condemn IRA bombing for many years now, only to begin doing so because his ambition to be become PM is on the line. He's done the same refusing to condemn Hamas/Hezbollah bombings, but lo and behold as the election gets closer, he finally after many years of refusal starts to do so.

Disingenuous. Dishonest.

Oh behave! Instead of believing tory properganda, how about using your brain to research properly? That's if you can which atm doesn't seem it.

What is really shocking is that significant proportion of Tory voters are those who heavily rely on the NHS, social care...etc and who are obviously the first to get affected by Tory policies. Do you remember the Tory voter who was reduced to tears In Question Time because of tax credit cuts ? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/question-time-tax-credits-labour_uk_5713b70de4b0f22f0219b956
The reason for them voting Tory is likely because of the effect of the media. A clear example is by having a look at the headlines of something like the Daily Mail or how the media has been constantly portraying Corbyn in a negative way. If there is a single positive thing about this election campaign is that it has managed to partly reveal who Corbyn is and who someone like May is. The former has been engaging in several public events (rarely covered by the media, but a simple search in YouTube will show some), media shows even with hostile media outlets, coming up with a clever fully costed manifesto...etc. This is compared to May, who has been completely the opposite (latest news is that she is sending Amber Rudd to represent Tories in the BBC general election debate: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/28/amber-rudd-to-stand-in-for-theresa-may-in-televised-leaders-debate).

Diane Abbott : https://andrewgilliganblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/diane-abbott-backed-victory-for-the-ira-see-the-document/

Jeremy Corbyn : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/revealed-jeremy-corbyn-blamed-iras-poppy-day-massacre-british/

He is doing the same now for the Manchester bombing blaming his own country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11749043/Andrew-Gilligan-Jeremy-Corbyn-friend-to-Hamas-Iran-and-extremists.html

He clearly has self-hatred towards Britain.

How can anyone think this man can stand tall for the UK internationally after all of this.

If the pound "tanked" by losing a penny, what would you call it after brexit when it dropped 20p? :confused:

It should have had Ian Duncan Smith in the credits, because without him, this movie could not have been made.

good movie well worth the 99p to watch

Yup, there's no open plan dole office here, it's all bullet proof glass with one way speakers and screwed down metal furniture... it's a lot worse in reality than is portrayed here.

Yup, there's no open plan dole office here, it's all bullet proof glass with one way speakers and screwed down metal furniture... it's a lot worse in reality than is portrayed here.

Like I asked before, how could this ever possibly work?

This. How long are we going to pay for lazy young women to turn into baby factories in order to exploit the system and rake in the benefits. They're just passing problems, especially unemployment, onto the next generation.

I'm sure you'll keep the Red flag flying comrade Cantona.

Most people on benefits struggle. Most people that are ill also suffer from invisible diseases. Because of this when you see them they might look or act fine but you have no idea on the damage going inside their body. Just by looking at me you wouldn't think I was very ill (though sometimes do look it) Because I can move about, smile, laugh etc at times you wouldn't think I was ill. You would think I'm a benefit cheat but that's far from the case.

"I'd like to see a limit on children you can have whilst on benefits"

How could this ever work? Sterilise them?

This government has borrowed more and paid back less than any labour government and wheres that money gone? Certainly not schools, certainly not on nhs, certainly not on welfare and certainly not on police/crime. In fact all those services are/have been cut to the bone. Tories maifesto hasn't been costed where's labours have.

You don't like people voting for corybn so you must be happy with the gutting of nhs, schools, welfare, police, privacy etc etc. None of those affect you cos you don't use them. Our debt is higher and tories have failed to meet every target they've set. Also the tories and their mates are the biggest takers of them all!

This should be in MISC under the topic of GE2017 election!

Some people always want to put their political view on things thinking they are the only ones who can be right. Good for a laugh though.

Actually most benefit claimants I see are more than comfortable which is why they don't want to work.

I do have a lot of sympathy for people who genuinely cannot work as some of the posters above.

Personally, I'd like to see a limit on children you can have whilst on benefits and spend the savings on people who now can't work but have paid into the system in the past.

I fail to see how paying for unwanted uneducated children to have further broods of even more unwanted uneducated children benefits the country in any way.

I'll probably watch, if only to shake my head and wonder why someone who has worked for 4 decades hasn't bothered to plan for later life and rely on the enemy - the taxpayer - to find his mistakes.

Can't wait.

Great film and should be aired on terrestrial TV!!! If anything this film provides and insight and education into what life is like for some, whilst most people live in there little insular worlds. I have a well paid job, but for a split second, 20 years ago signed on for 6 months, yet have no idea how hard it is for so many people in society, especially those with dependents. People live their whole lives in complete ignorance and what really goes on this world is not real, like a movie, until it happens to them!

I'm waiting for the film about a mother of a vaccine-damaged child that convinces people that vaccine-damage autism is a fact. Folks, emotional anecdotal arguments are not evidence based. This is populism, pandering to preconceived beliefs.

Whoop. Top deal of the day for now. Thanks everyone ! :smiley:

You sound compos mentis to me. I'm afraid your paying for all the borrowing the last Labour government did. Books have to be balanced - excess borrowing cannot be sustained indefinitely.

If for some unbelievable reason you and anyone else wish to vote for Corbyn then you will definitely reap what you sow - and rightly so.

Before watching this I would dare say that this will not change the way I vote

At what point did he have a "bad attitude"? Refusing to risk a heart attack just to comply with a benefit system designed to take money from the poor and vulnerable in order to help the rich stay rich does NOT mean he has a bad attitude.

Maybe get your butler to pour you a drink and watch the film again as you are really out of touch with modern life if you think the Daniel Blake character is at fault in this scenario.

Yours alone? A rare thing indeed, have you worked out how much extra it might cost you ?

If however it's now a PLC, you're not the owner, and the CEO is an employee the same as everyone else.

They may have introduced it, it doesn't mean they envisioned and agreed to the cruel barbed hamster wheel it's become.

For anyone who still thinks it's a "job centre" that you have to go to is living back in the 70's - they're now the equivalent of cattle markets where you're prodded and needled by people least suited to the job.

I'm just rambling now, it'll be the morphine for chronic pain working it's "not quite good enough" magic :-} - it's also what's stopping me going back to work for now :-/

MINE.

Many of those now claiming social security (*not* benefits) also worked hard until they became ill.

You'll find most people who worked hard for their money are the cleaners, cooks, teachers... people "at the top of their game" who claimed to have got there by hard work usually need to be asked "whose".

Do you really think companies who make their sales and profits here should be allowed to pay less tax than their staff ?

The higher rates of tax only apply after the lesser tax rates have been applied. They also stop paying National Insurance on that higher income, which offers the higher tax bracket somewhat.

The LABOUR party brought in the 'fitness for work test' .

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/labour-squashes-hope-of-u-turn-on-fitness-for-work-test/

Soon as I clicked I knew it was going to be a very debatable and interesting thread.

Great film and as a victim myself I could totally understand how he felt.

Working 29 years (since 16) continuous work, lost job back in February (fixed term contract ended) and all I can say majority of staff (not all) are nothing short of shocking not empathetic and to say the power gets to their head is a massive massive under-statement being a "Civil Servant" to the extent I reported one worker to my local MP.

Sarcy remarks like...
-Taking tax payers money..(really? 29 years ring a bell?)
-Benefit claimants should be given food vouchers not cash.
-Internets a luxury (Nearly all jobs require you to apply online)
-When I asked a specific question I got a how longs a piece of string response
-Don't come back to me without filling in your commitment form or I'll throw it out you

I could go on and on the person in question was awful, luckily I found a new job just over a month ago so a whole 8/9 weeks on benefits compared with 29years of National Insurance/Tax contributions, your just a number to them at the end of the day so I sincerely have sympathy anyone in a similar situation.

Heat added BTW :smile:

Recently saw this on a flight, highly recommend

Err... no. They mean 'great film'. That's wny they say it. It's called English: not really that hard to understand. :laughing:

Ah statistics. If I pick a random date next year, around 85,000 people in the UK will die within 6 weeks of that. I'm obviously a monster.

Now adjust that figure to skew towards middle aged people who are more likely to have had a serious condition with the possibility of working. Now adjust it to remove the people who have enough money to not need to apply for the benefit in the first place so they can't have had it taken away. Now adjust that figure for people who are otherwise going about their daily business but had a condition that is now cured (eg. cancer) or had an incurable condition that still lets them live a normal life with treatment (eg. AIDS) .

All of those controls will cause that 0.14% of the population/sample figure to skyrocket and I suspect if you could properly control for these things, the figures would be very close. However that's an incredibly difficult set of controls and likely couldn't be accurately measured. Until there is a properly adjusted figure, that 10,000 figure is completely meaningless.

A similar often repeated statistic is this: "you are less likely to die riding a rollercoaster than you are if you're not riding one". Technically it's true, however the nature of rollercoasters means that you're not likely to see the terminally ill, the extremely old and extremely young riding one. You're comparing a population of generally young, healthy people to one that's a mix.

Ive ordered one for IDS

so much for freedom of speech... my comment was culled

For 'social justice' read - making people who have worked hard for their money poorer so benefit claimants can have more.

My rse!

Aye, I agree Tory's maybe the seller, but Labour is the punter who buys the car on finance using a guarantor, never planning on paying it back, that will be someone elses problem. I can have everything I want today, worry about paying for it later. Joking aside.

The IFS report you mentioned is based on what they were presented with, they were presented with half truths so is not worth the paper its written on, for example :-
69 billion to nationalise the water industry (borrow money to do it)
60 billion to nationalise the energy industry (didn't even mention costs)
2 billion to nationalise Royal Mail (didn't even mention costs)

In the end there is only one constant, there are no poor MP's. And in politics there is only one winner, the MP's.

Regards
Flea

I see the comrades are out in force today.

sorry if there are duplicate posts from me above, I always have problems posting from a mobile

Thanks for your response.

Unfortunately, the media instills in us that we can not afford much, hence we do not deserve much.
We are one of the wealthiest nations on earth ...that is a fact that no one can deny.
Now, if you google "The British Bank Rescue Package" , you will be pleased to know that it was £500 Billion in 2008.
In my opinion, this highlights the core of the problem: THAT TORIES (AND BLAIR'S LABOUR) ARE READY TO INJECT £500 BILLION TO BAIL OUT THE RICH, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING LIKE THE NHS, SUDDENLY EXTRA £2 BILLION/YEAR SEEM TO BE A LARGE SUM OF MONEY.

Unfortunately, you can not take politics out of this. The likes of "Daniel Blake" are the direct result of wrong priorities of the politicians (in a democracy like ours, it is a direct result of poor choice made by the public. as Obama said "you get the politician that you deserve", however, i do not feel that it is fair to inflict the politician that you deserve on others who do not).

In my opinion, the choice in this election is not between two similar parties (it was like that in 2010, which pushed me to vote Lib Dem (big mistake)). The choice in this election is between a party led by a principled man (even his enemies credit him for this) who is moving the labour party into the right direction and trying hard to correct the path of the British Politics VS a current PM who has been trying hard to avoid any public contact or meaningful debate. The election campaign has shown her as wobbly, all talks with no substance, no achievement records apart from failure on cutting down immigration numbers yet still insisting on the same policy AND cutting down police funding and numbers.

You just have to look at the manifestos....one that calls for social justice and another that calls for dropping off the second part of the Levingston enquiry (among other disasters that have been mentioned but not properly addressed by the media, like the dementia tax...etc).

Wow... just watched this... very good but sad and true state of affairs with this country

@Fleabum the thing is, his policies have been costed, analysed by the Institute for Fiscal Studies, and approved for accuracy.

The Tories didn't bother to put prices on any of theirs but somehow think they have the right to claim the moral high ground.

When pushed on costs on one of the issues, they said "oh, we'll get a report done after the election".

Tories are effectively very good used car salesmen, they talk the talk, they walk the walk, they have expensive suits. Don't forget for a moment who's paying for the suits - it's the suckers who were told a Lada never breaks down, when a Honda was cheaper, and the right size for what you wanted.

Excellent film , that food bank depicted is the most used in Europe

No Its a brilliant film because its true Ive lived it. job centre workers are mostly jobsworth nasty little pencil pushers that would stop your money in a heart beat for a bonus and sanction targets.

I read you post and think, yes I agree with you, then it reminds me of something my 18 year old niece said one day to my brother.

As this was the first general election she was going to be allowed to vote in, she had been doing alot of research into the parties, their manifestos and pledges. She came downstairs one day and told my Brother 'Corbin must be pooing gold to fund all all these pledges, because the country certainly can't afford it' she didn't use those exact words, but its been toned down not to offend. And quite frankly shes right, Corbin's got no way to fund all the brilliant idea's hes got, his sums just don't add up, another general election, another set of lies to get votes.

Soon as the polls showed that Corbin has gained a few points the pound tanked against the Dollar and Euro, and usually the money market is right.

Anyways all this political carp aside, I went to see this film when it was first released and wasn't expecting much, but it actually moved me, I had tears in my eyes at the ending even though I saw it coming. It was a gritty look into the lives of some of the most unfortunate people in society, and it doesnt matter if Labour or Tory has been in power over the last 50 years, they BOTH miss helping the needy. There is only one thing you can count on, there are no poor MP's.

Regards
Flea

please, before you vote, know that this government has been killing sick and disabled people on an industrial scale - search for the sad ending of people like David Clapson and a few more benefit deaths over at Calums List

The DWP themselves issued figures for an 11 month period in which just under 10,000 died within SIX WEEKS of being declared FIT TO WORK by subcontracted "health professionals" who got bonuses to ignore the blatant health issues of the people sent before then.

This isn't an innocent mistake on behalf of the government, it's not simply corporate manslaughter, it's an unannounced genocide of the sick and disabled

You might be thinking "surely it can't be that bad" - you're right, it's worse - they've been sanctioning people - deliberately withholding normal payments - meaning they had zero income - nothing to feed themselves or their children for reasons as stupid as not being at an appointment - when the offices were actually shut and they couldn't get inside

HELP CHILDREN IN NEED - DON'T VOTE TORY

Care to elaborate...explain why...

I've seen it, good film but he didn't do himself any favours. Bit of a tit I thought.

Me too

What does the term "Far Left" mean and why is it bad?
If "Far Left" means less chance of having more of "Daniel Blake", then this is certainly good thing ?!
If "Far Left" means better funding for the NHS, better funding for social care, no hard Brexit, social justice, no misery for Southern Rail commuters, no rise in electricity bills at the time when oil prices are falling...etc then why all these things are bad?!

Thanks for enlightening us.

If you look at the policies on offer you'll find that many of them like free education and nationalised rail are actually the norm in neighbouring countries to us. So hardly far left are they.

I'd say the problem is that our country is way way too right wing.

I have a disability and this is an accurate portrayal of the current government. Very well researched, nothing more to say.

What is currently on offer is a Far Left Labour Party. No thank you.

when people are saying "great film" what they mean is "I agree with this policital opinion"

Not blaming migrants they are just looking for a better life..............

But after I was made redundant I went to one of our competitors to get a job (bus driver) and was told flat out that they preferred eastern Europeans as they were better workers, after a bit of pressing the route manager who I had known for years told me what better workers meant...

1) They will work for minimum wage as its a lot to them , who would blame them, if someone said to me go to another country and get twice what I get at home I would bite their hand off....

2) They are willing to break the law over drivers hours, safety , record keeping etc...so are more "efficient" (his words)

3) The company rents out rooms to the drivers often 2/3 to 1 room in houses they rent...nice little earner at £50 per person.

4) Unions and or Workers rights...... not a chance .....

So basically all the rights and conditions and standard of living that you and me and those before us have worked for since the war cost the company more, ..........they treat the workers like dirt..

I was lucky enough to get a good job elsewear ,but its heartbreaking talking to my old colleagues who managed to get a job there, going from a 39 hour week to a 60 hour week and dropping £6000 per year in wages as well...
Some are really struggling as had mortgages based on their previous earnings.
Other companies are not as blatant about it but wages across the industry have stagnated over the last few years as a result of a ready supply of cheap labour.

Watched this on Qatar Airways a few weeks ago. Hard-hitting, sometimes difficult watch reality of those struggling to live in the UK. Definitely recommend.

You know that the previous Labour government (Blair's) was more Tories than it was True Labour. You can not compare this to what is currently on offer.

Thanks for sharing this.

When you say "and I guess you know who I will be voting for..", the logical thing would be voting Labour. However, I find it mind blowing that there are people out there who have been suffering directly because of Tories policies and they are still planing on voting Tories !!!!!!

Similar thing just happened in the US. Obama said 'you get the politicians you deserve'...but none of us deserve Tories' polices or someone with May's personality (wobbly, all talks with no substance, no achievement records apart from failure on cutting down immigration numbers yet still insisting on the same policy AND cutting down police funding and numbers).

I really hope that people do wake up and get the right person in. Otherwise, we will see more people like Daniel Blake, the collapse of social care and the NHS over the next five years, on top of the economic consequences of a hard Brexit that the Tories are pushing for.

I had zero interest in this film after seeing trailers and interviews, but randomly ended up seeing it. It's a really good piece of work which I enjoyed much more than I thought I would and would recommend that anyone even on the fence gives it a go!

The film Theresa May would rather you never saw. That alone means you should all watch it before June 8th.

After reading this thread I'm gonna have to watch the film now!

There's no doubt that migrants put pressure on public services, however they also pay for them in taxes.

What's more, without the migrants the economy would not have grown like it did and that has a knock on effect on other stuff like how many homes get built.

Just watched the trailer seems like a good film

Hot deal and also the most ironic I've seen on here. Watch something thought provoking around rights and welfare by paying less from a tax evading leviathan. I'm in.

This seems like an update his other play 'The Spongers' it was made in 1978

'Set against the backdrop of Silver Jubilee of Elizabeth II, the play depicts a single mother's struggles as welfare cuts affect the poor and disabled'

I should point out that when this version was made it was the LABOUR goverment that was in power.

Could get a job as a bog tester?

As for the latter two, you think Labour's program of mass immigration that started in 1997 and will undoubtedly continue under Corbyn has had little effect on that? You don't think that the 18% of foreign born people living in social housing hasn't affected what's available for our own British needy like Daniel Blake or that the 4 million or so migrants currently here (as well as 8 million foreign born altogether) has not been a factor in the shortage of jobs for people like Mr D. Blake.

No doubt someone will superficially dismiss this as blaming Jonny Foreigner, an easy way to sweep the problems of mass, poorly managed immigration under the carpet and continue to allow business and especially big business to direct the policy with metropolitan middle class liberal elite backing.

One other thing that gets mentioned often is we have needed the mass cheap labour of the past 20 years because British people have become lazy. That is a myth that plays into the stigma of those on benefits.

This country managed fine before and can still do so. It's not a need by business, it's just a desire and dependency for cheap desperate Eastern European labour.

I can assure you several of the things portrayed in the film are accurate, I've seen them plus worse happen in real life.

Personally I think the film didn't touch enough on issues in the private rented sector. It's one of those things which can make the lives of these people 10x worse and grinds them down. Not to say there isn't good reason for landlords refusing to let to irresponsible tenants, the problem is if you're on a means tested benefit, then it can be nigh on impossible to find somewhere to live, no matter how good a tenant you are. It's a shame as landlords need good tenants but the moment you mention 'benefits' they run a mile.

In this film, Daniel Blake seems to be living in social housing. Imagine how things would have been if he'd been in the private rented sector and the landlord tried to evict him. Wouldn't have taken long for him to end up on the streets in my opinion.

I'd encourage people here to look into the 'Funding for Lending Scheme' and also how landlords have historically calculated their tax bills. I just think it's apalling how much money has been thrown at the private rented sector over the years, how high rents are and how precarious life is for the people who have no other choice but to rent privately. Meanwhile the tenants get branded as scroungers just because they don't want to live below the poverty line.

A couple of years ago I would have dismissed this film as fiction, as had been briefly unemployed 30 odd years ago when you just got your dole money if you had done no work.

However after being made redundant last year after 30 year's I found the film to be spot on, even as a previous poster said , milder than it actually is.

Some of the words I would use ,,dehumanising , disgusting, and totalitarian , I have never in my life been treated with such disdain , I don't blame the staff some of whom looked as disgusted as I was, but also many on little on power trips.

I was even in the same situation as Daniel, my doctor did not want me to work till my health issues were resolved, so I was sent for an assessment , the result of which was they assessed me to be fit for some work commensurate with my health problems, so fair enough I thought and went to sign on.

This was the fun bit ☹ , the woman I saw (nurse hatchet) said I could not claim ESA (sick pay) because I was fit for work but I also could not claim normal benefits unless I signed to say I was fit for all work something their own assessment said I could not do......so had to basically sign a document to say I was fit for work or stay in a catch 22 situation

To see Ian Duncan Smith constantly on the TV saying these things could not happen really was the icing on the cake..

Anyway great film .......and I guess you know who I will be voting for

Why is he a troll for giving his view on the film. Rather childish to call someone out for trolling because they dislike something you like.

Also where can I get paid to disrupt debate and maintain gross inequality? Any evidence jobs like this exist and not just your paranoia? You did a good job yourself there so you must be owed a few quid.

As for the film, I liked it. I felt for the guy. I've struggled on benefits a fair few times before and been on the streets, albeit thankfully briefly, so I need no lectures myself.

As usual, a load of nonsense spouted on this thread.

Is it realistic? Having been a claimant, I would say so. Especially the on-hold queues and jobsworths that follow a script, and will not deviate.

Are all claimants genuinely needy? No, about half are, the other half are just trying to screw the system for as much as they can.

Having also some experience of Citizen's Advice I can confidently claim roughly three quarters of people in trouble are there by their own making.

Are the Tories making it better? Of course not. Will Labour improve things? No chance. The only difference is they'll waste more money.

But most importantly, is this film any good? It's alright if you like this kind of gritty realism. It's undeniably powerful in parts (althought the ending is a bit too neat). Not one I'd ever watch again though.

Tremendous film. Any Loach film is worth watching and this one sums up the times we live in

Good film and as I work in the industry it frustrates me as I've never ever treated a claimant like that. Many of us try so hard to help and when you see jobsworths making the lives of people who are already struggling a misery it angers me.
The genuine in need I have all the time in the world for. The sad reality is many who claimed for life just don't qualify anymore or do not qualify for other reasons.
It's a good film to show people in customer service how to step up and help rather than hinder.

Yeah, because:

-food banks don’t exist in England,

-people aren’t being categorised as fit for work who clearly aren’t (just this week on the Jeremy Vine Show he talked about a gentleman with chronic Crohn’s disease being declared fit for work by an agency working for HMRC!)

-there’s not a social housing problem

-there’s not a shortage of jobs around the country

I personally (currently!) am not directly affected but fully appreciate that others sadly are. We shouldn’t bury our heads in the sand about these issues or worse still, think those individuals affected are deserving of their circumstances.

Thankfully there’s also good charities like The Trussell Trust out there and a lot of decent people taking a proactive approach in helping their fellow man.


Great film.

A film about a guy with a bad attitude thinking the world owes him. This film is probably on repeat at Labour HQ

Great movie. An eye opener to what some people are currently going tru.

You have to accept that there are some people with stone hearts - always has been and always will be - you can't change that any more than you can change the weather.

I broke down in tears watching the scene at the food bank

voted hot because the film was literally amazing and really was emotional

Utter nonsense and horribly ignorant. As somebody who has worked with long-term unemployed individuals with difficult circumstances I can tell you that I was disappointed with this film because it's SO mild. Granted, Ken Loach probably made it deliberately mild to try to reach people who are completely unaware of the living conditions of those who are less fortunate, it's a shame that it didn't make you feel any compassion or empathy for your neighbours.

FWIW I'm not remotely interested in politics, it bores me to tears, nor am I a fan of Ken Loach (That's not to say that I dislike him) but to dismiss the film as propaganda is very unfair and untrue.

As a fan of film I didn't like it tbh but I can appreciate what it was trying to achieve.

No just a honest reflection

Far left propaganda? Really?

Very good movie. Watch this before you vote.

Taut he looked like Ed sheeran

War Dogs also 99p

Great movie.

Enjoyed this movie immensely..

Excellent gritty film, watched it last week.