So there is something wrong with them? :smirk:

Yyy I wound not replace anything 24/7 with Seagate to be honest

Said it before...ALL harddrives of ALL makes fail under stress... none are truly reliable or dependable...
tried them all with similiar results..... so always backup your important data... :wink:

Given the time of year it seems only right to wheel out this old classic:- hmmm 4TB, rather have 8 250GB's as I don't want to keep my eggs in one basket.

Thanks for the response. I didn't end up ordering after the price went up further.

I don't understand how Amazon can still not pack all drives correctly, it's such a basic thing. Years ago I remember reading how people would receive bare drives wrapped a similar way to books, and then posted through their letter box lol. Here's a photo I found:

http://s544.photobucket.com/user/cougho/media/DSC00034.jpg.html
http://s544.photobucket.com/user/cougho/media/DSC00032.jpg.html

Hopefully all your drives are in perfect working order. :smiley:

Could have been worse, most of my Amazon orders from the EU just disappear, then again considering the packing...

To anyone who has received their order, can you please tell me what the packaging was like? I can remember Amazon posting internal drives unprotected in the past.

PS: The price has gone up to £96.84.

Note: I am discussing the Thailand fabbed HDDs. 3TB Barracuda from China are known to be more unreliable than those from Thailand.

Consumer drives are never meant to be operated in a server environment for a reason. They are consumer drives. If backblaze thinks Seagate are unreliable, they can choose to not use them. I've had 4 3TB Barracuda's running a RAID 5 config in a NAS (with idle spindown) for 5 years, not a single one has ever shown any issues, and every drive passes scheduled SMART tests every month.

I have however had a WD "Green" drive fail under its intended use condition (rare access, lots of idle time to let it spindown). Click click.

Backblaze is not to be referenced when discussing consumer use scenarios and applications.

These Seagate drives are rated for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. When idiot server farms run them 24/7 MTBF is drastically reduced.

No it's not.

I worked at one place where we had a Sun box each and more - Top end kit.

Slowly one by one most of the 1G Seagate drives failed.

Personal drives, I've had many failures from many manufactures as I run them into the ground, only Seagate failed before it's time but had a 5 year warrantee in those days.

is it as fast as 3TB Toshiba P300?

I've got one of the 3tb Seagates in my main rig and it's been running fine the past couple of years. But I do have (not very) regular backups of all my drives, if I buy a 4tb internal I buy a 4tb external to go with it and so on. It gets a little annoying but I've got backup data if any drives fail and I recommend https://www.freefilesync.org/ to make syncing your drives simpler.

It's the ST3000Dm001 that suffers from the high failure rate, apparently the 2TB and 4TB versions of that series whilst not as reliable as some other drives are generally ok.

Also WD greens had issues with the early versions with overly parking heads and died pretty quick.

Edit:

Also if the data's important back it up, preferably to multiple locations

:smile: noice

Ooh that's tempting, comes in a little below my benchmark price of £25/TB (last few 2TB drives were £50 a pop back in 2015).

Even an ssd will eventually die, yes. Probably after 8+ years (perhaps more) for a normal user, depending on how much writes you do on it.

No, I deliberately didn't state the corresponding size in multiples to equal the absurdity of the entire statement but thanks for playing.

Said it before...ALL harddrives of ALL makes fail under stress... none are truly reliable or dependable...
tried them all with similiar results..... so always backup your important data... :wink:

Given the time of year it seems only right to wheel out this old classic:- hmmm 4TB, rather have 8 250GB's as I don't want to keep my eggs in one basket.

Barracuda, the only type of drive to ever fail me, albeit some years back. For that reason, I'm out.

Yep, not to mention that they cram 60 drives in a single enclosure... The vibration levels must be insane! It's really not a good benchmark for consumer drives.

Currently I am running a 6TB HGST ultrastar (enterprise drive). I have only had 2 hard drives fail since 2003 both seagates with light usage. I was fortunate that I transfered my main drive to an ssd and converted the seagate to a download drive before it failed.

Damned it and ordered one. A Big THANKS to the original poster.

It may help to know that it is out of stock at the mo, 'In stock on April 22, 2017.' As such if something better turns up in the next week it would be simple to cancel.

Thanks again to everybody who contributes and debates the pros and cons on this site. Stars the lot of you.

If that was the case then the failure rates would be similar for all the drives tested, not just high for Seagate in particular.

At least you don't have to worry about parking the heads now!

Thanks to those who pointed me to the info. Sometimes I am blooming useless :confused:

*anything

I know better, its a bad habit from my dad, although he pretends he doesn't understand to wind people up.

Personally I had endless problems with WD to the extent that I am now exclusively Seagate and have had few issues over the last ten years or so.

Like many at hukd I too have been waiting for decent hard drives to appear over the last months. We seem to be living in barren times and I do wonder if that has contributed to the popularity here.

Thing is, not being able to find this 4gb model on Seagate's own website makes me concerned as to their confidence in their own product.

I can find no data info nor manual specifically relevant (though they took the time with the Barracuda 250gb version).

I may be wrong, quite probably am because my thoughts above seem an obvious nonsense.

So, make me wrong good people so I can halt my incessant daily search and buy a reliable hd for a decent price.

Isn't this it? http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/hdd/barracuda/

Old seagates were indestructible, back when they had the 'seashield' on the back. That was a great addition, dont get why they removed it. Since then reliability has gone down with it.

Seagate = hot from me.

Recent Amazon reviews don't look encouraging. Several dead on arrival or shortly after.

*Seagrate

hmm, Seagate barracuda. Do these have issues/finite fail rate dependent on media cache?

So there is something wrong with them? :smirk:

The only reason people think Seagate are unreliable is because of the Backblaze statistics. However, Backblaze run a 24/7 server environment that is unsuitable for consumer desktop hard drives. The level of wear these drives experience under Backblaze operation is much, much greater than the typical home user.

I've always sworn by WD over the years (after Samsung was taken over by Seagate) but at work recently, I've seen some WD blacks and greens fail prematurely despite having quite an easy life.

That trope is getting way too old. There really isn't nothing wrong with Seagates.

It was the 3TB Seagates that were the issue (of which I bought 4).

It's all luck of the draw. I've got a bog standard seagate 750gb in my old pc that's been on 24/7 (more or less) for 7 years. It was my main gaming pc for 5 years and the kids have been using it for the last 2.

I ALWAYS thought this, hence the WD Green purchase all those years ago (their power on time is 3.2 years atm :smile: ) But Seagate still cant be that bad? Even their Ironwolf products?

As above - once bitten twice shy!

super tempting to bite the bullet and replace the 7 2TB WD greens i've had on 247 for the past 4 years!