I'll just be over here with my popcorn, watching some fella have a breakdown over videogames.

Mankind Divided is going for 8 quids at 6 months old, this title is 4 years old and was meant to be exclusively developed for the Wii U so can we put this in to perspective please.

Only Nintendo can get a free pass to keep re-packaging antique titles from previous platforms and charging full whack for them on their latest hardware.

It's a decent game yeah but it's a 10 quid game at best,

It's not published by Nintendo so they are not setting the price, but apparently this is Nintendo's fault but it's OK for Microsoft and Sony to allow this on their platforms. Good argument there Bro.

Seriously, re-read what you've written. I'm not disputing that Nintendo fans can get rabid but this isn't the case here.

Ooh...nice!

Very good indeed :-)

Great price!

ffs. annoyed about buying last week and i picked up lego on Friday. agghh

Mankind Divided is going for 8 quids at 6 months old, this title is 4 years old and was meant to be exclusively developed for the Wii U so can we put this in to perspective please.

Only Nintendo can get a free pass to keep re-packaging antique titles from previous platforms and charging full whack for them on their latest hardware.

It's a decent game yeah but it's a 10 quid game at best,

The game is £40 for Xbox One and PS4, so this is a deal as you're getting a £280 console and a £40 game for £300.

Bomberman seems to be out of stock just about everywhere though unfortunately. So to find a store having stock on both the Switch and Bomberman will be some ask.

Edit: How I read this as Bomberman I'll never know.... I need some weetabix.

Great bundle price! Heat!

I really, really hope they do a £299 bundle when Mario Kart comes out at the end of the month...I might finally bite!

Yeah I am very aware of that but it's still a four year old game that has finally come to other platforms one generation on.

There's no real justification for it to be full price on Xbone or Playstation but to charge full price for it on Switch is downright criminal.

There's no defending the indefensible but then again when it comes to anything Ninty there's a global army of brainwashed droids willing to try.



My point exactly, thank you

Seriously, re-read what you've written. I'm not disputing that Nintendo fans can get rabid but this isn't the case here.

It's not published by Nintendo so they are not setting the price, but apparently this is Nintendo's fault but it's OK for Microsoft and Sony to allow this on their platforms. Good argument there Bro.

Good argument there Bro?

Drop me out with the muggy septic patter please, you're from Milton Cambridge not Cambridge Massachusetts.

I've already said there's NO JUSTIFICATION for it being full price on any platform but seeing it was 'exclusively' on Nintendo's previous generation console it makes it an even bigger pxxx take for Switch owners, especially any of those backward enough to buy it again now.



Isn't it?

Just look how the Cambs villager here decided to air brush my stating it's a liberty for all platforms to concentrate on defending the Mushroom Kingdom most valiantly :smirk: as per usual.

My life, I own this game and really did enjoy it so I'm not out to attack it.....just pointing out the obvious which is that this should not be a full price title!

Don't Argos do £10 voucher if you spend over £100 also?

alright, deals starting to happen. not for me but getting (very slightly) more reasonable.

Yeah everyone out there is weighing on 60 quids for their Switch games, course.

Have you seen me defend 'remasters' on any other platform in the past then?

No you haven't, you'll have only seen me criticise them because as far as I'm concerned they're a blatant pxxx take.

But it's cool, just let your rabid Nintendo devotion get in the way of the facts because it's what you Nintendnuts do best.

Oh and aligning yourself to the master race for the purpose of your point don't disguise the fact you're still a blatant Nintendo fan.

It's not a full price title, though. And it still costs a company money to port the game to te other consoles and therefore should be looking to not just recoup those loses but actively make a profit.

Just because the game was on the Wii U makes no difference to the Switch version. There should not automatically be some form of discount as there was a cost to port the game to the new platform - the cost involved is not for you or me to speculate. If you own a Wii U then you can get the game for £12-£15 very easily. If you already own the game on the Wii U then you've no real reason to buy the game on Switch and if you do choose to buy it then there's no reason why you should be entitled to a discount.

To be fair, porting doesn't cost much compared to full development. This should never have been full price on any platform. £25 tops. Same with that Bulletstorm remaster just released.

However, it's a lego game. It will drop in price fast. This deal is a great one when you're paying £20 for the game. :smiley:

Its readily available here Argos Ebay without Lego game but £279.99 collect or £283.94 delivered.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nintendo-Switch-32GB-WiFi-Console-Neon-Red-Blue-From-the-Argos-Shop-on-ebay-/332142931702?hash=item4d5542eef6:g:diIAAOSwuxFY2vmb

I agree with you to a degree but I don't think a company is out of order releasing a game at a healthy price when it comes to a new platform. Firstly, they'll soon reduce the price once the sales stop flowing in (if they ever start) and secondly, if the game in question was a console exclusive (as Lego City was) then the demand is potentially going to be much higher.

Bulletstorm is around £2-£5 on Xbox 360/PS3 second hand; plenty of people sitll have their 360s/PS3s so it makes no sense to charge too much for a remaster as people can just buy it on the old consoles for almost nothing. In this case it would be foolish to expect people to pay more than £20-£25 for a remaster. In the case of Lego City, people would have to buy a Wii U for (let's say for argument's sake) £150 then another £12-£15 on top of that. Not a great option, I'm sure you'll agree. This means that a little bit more money can be squeezed out of the consumer to play a once "rare" exclusive.

As you say, it will come down in price but I think that the price is valid for a larger company looking to exploit a profit from the conditions they find themselves in. We can all pretend that companies should be more generous with the gaming public but we all know that profit is the aim of the game and we can either pay the price or not. The fewer people that buy at the top price, the faster the price falls - and, in turn, means the next remaster/port gets launched at a lower price.

I think, from a business point of view, Warner Bros. have made the right decision with Lego City; time will tell, however.

From a business stand point, they may be hurting their company image by charging so much. It is a game that many have wanted on more platforms, however, it is an old game without all the risk and development costs involved.

I see your point about Bulletstorm, however, not everyone still has their 360/PS3 and even if it is cheap on PC, it's locked behind that awful GFWL. The developers never even went back to fix that on PC unlike others, and instead released a remaster at full price. It was never going to go down well. Especially with it being half arsed. PC users also get upgrades normally for a few quid due to the nature of the platform.

Remasters should only be full price when they're a collection to be honest. Like Uncharted and Assassin's Creed Ezio Collection (I didn't pay full price for this even). Lego City was great on Wii U (wouldn't want to play it on there again mind as it looks terrible now and those load times are shocking) and is full of content but I wouldn't pay full price for it. £15 was my biting point and CDkeys came through with the PC version.

Having said all that, the movie studios do it when a new format comes out so it's odd I'm against the game industry doing it to me. Such is life. :laughing:

I'll just be over here with my popcorn, watching some fella have a breakdown over videogames.

I think when it comes to Lego games, Warner Bros. don't need to worry about their reputation as a good portion of their customers won't care about them as a company or won't be too active in seeking out gaming information. I agree that it doesn't look great to those of us that spend a good amount of time reading about games etc. but the number of kids that will want Lego City won't give a toss about the price or the route the game took to get to their PS4/Xbox One/PC/Switch. It's a relatively safe gamble from a business point of view as far as I can see.

I also think that this is the sort of game that requires a port after years of exclutivity. I'm a fan of exclusives to sell consoles and make a gaming library unique but now the Wii U is dead then I think it's great that the game sees a new lease of life.

I'd forgotten about the GFWL crap for Bulletstorm so a remaster is good from that point of view. I wasn't necessarily downplaying Bulletstorm Remastered right to exist because people may or may not have their old consoles on hand, it was more that the game is so cheap second hand because there is either little desire for it among the gaming community or because there are so many copies floating around. A remaster of a game that was vastly popular/commercially undesireable is a tricky proposition. You need to set the price low enough to tempt people to buy again but also high enough to make a profit. It's a tough sell. Lego City is at an advantage as it's relatively rare/expensive to get in it current form (assuming you don't own a Wii U, as many don't!) and carries a big brand name.

You're right, new formats don't hold movie prices at bay but people seem to be more accepting of it. If a game reaches a new platform and hasn't been superceded by a sequel or oversaturated on its original platform then I don't really consider that game to be "worth" less than it was when it first came out. Whether I'd pay full price for Lego City Undercover if I didn't already own it really comes down to how good the game is and how much fun I think I'd get out of it - the fact that it's 4-5 years old don't really factor into it for me.

Fanboys make me laugh... accuse anyone that says anything negative about "their" console of choice of being a fanboy... the irony.

Many of us own consoles by all the major console makers and don't have any loyalty....

Im genuinely please for anyone that think Nintendo have launched this console right..

Myself as someone very excited about the prospects of the switch - I have been left bitterly disappointed by its launch and support thus far.

I hope it in 6 months time I feel differently.

I love people that get high off their own superiority. Lol. This post deserves heat purely on the badass nerd comments.

Well, no I'm not from Milton Cambs, your detective skills are weak.


It was a comedic put down, sorry that you didn't understand pop culture references but I guess as you have shown on this thread you're the one showing a distinct lack of comprehension or understanding of language here on anything even as simple as a video game deal.

Heat op, good deal as it puts lego at £20, and that is probably its true worth really.

Am i the only one who thinks the Switch is massively overpriced? Given that it is basically a tablet with no apps?

Sorry but I've been in way too much trouble over the years to be old bill so I'm hardly 'detective' material. Ok you're not from Cambridge, just put Cambridge as your location because you have a fascination for helmet headed push bike riders I assume?

Nowt wrong with pop culture when it has British origins but it's rather feeble when wannabe Uncle Sam lines get lobbed in there as far as I'm concerned.

Forgive me for identifying with British English rather than American English, if I wanted to live in the land of Bill 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman' Clinton and Anita 'death to all men' Sarkeesian I would have moved there years ago. Believe it or not I am more than happy residing next to thousands of hectares of insignificant farmland belonging to Sir James Dyson in middle England so I speak the native lingo :smirk:



Fair enough I stand corrected and take back my rather ill judged snipe at you from earlier but I don't take back my baiting of Nintenuts, Xbots or Sony ponies because if you're that lala you proclaim unconditional devotion to a specific multi national power house that manufactures games consoles you deserve some bunny about it.

There's a certain Xbox devotee on here I regularly pull up for his comical Microsoft love and there's a ridiculous pony from over Reading way who loves Sony more than I love my missus.

That said though, yes I do feel a very sizable section of Nintendo fans are even more off quay than those of the other two platforms granted and rather than prove me wrong they just keep emphasising my observations all the more.....that's their problem, not mine.

Edit: I meant to say it's the same old Nintendo loyalist names that like any comment having a go back at me every single time, they are indeed very special snowflakes who can not handle even the slightest criticism of their beloved Italian plumber and his Mushroom Kingdom :smile:

hot in terms of deal, however totally not worth purchasing one at the moment, need to see what else they release.

Feisty lot on here today *whistles* *rolls eyes*

I think he must have missed this vital piece of information. I can't even fathom the argument if he hasn't.

I only came here for the "40 Comments"

I'm not leaving disappointed.

Thanks for the laugh's :laughing:

Why would it be Nintendo's fault for a 3rd party game...? Mankind Divided is exactly why I never buy 3rd party games at launch. It should be the exception, not the rule. I bought it 3 months down the line for sub-10. That's just laughable value if you bought it at launch.

Grown up games? You mean Mature-rated games right? This has always been one of the oddest requests (not necessarily your specific one) in gaming. Don't expect that from Nintendo because that's not in their core DNA because they're focused on expanding gaming to all ages. They are however happy to work with other developers on such content - see Bayonetta 2 for example. Nintendo specifically made their own characters 'sexier' than Platinum's original drafts. Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is another example of a kiddish looking game that's made for more mature gamers (because the difficulty level is so **** hard or so I hear).

clearly he did and then didn't want to admit having made a mistake hence the tirade of nonsensical posts to try and justify his original

made for a good read though

Looking to buy the switch in time for a July birthday present. Hoping it might drop a little more in price by then? Otherwise might be tempted to go for this as have Argos Energy card which gives 10% discount. Decisions, decisions!

I doubt you'll get a better price than this to be honest. Nintendo consoles aren't known for dropping their price like Playstations and Xboxes do. 10% off this is a stonkingly great deal. :smile:

doubt it will drop, and if anything when Mario Kart 8 comes along you may find it harder to find stock.

Yes, because that is all it is *shakes head*

​I think there's an intermission. I'll grab the Pepsi (other makes are available and prices may vary)

Sadly, 11 likes for his comment indicates that at least that number missed the same vital information.

Like others have said they wont drop in price, but EXACTLY like ps4 and xbox didn't drop in price in the first 6 months.

Also I imagine with only a couple of good games people will want to hold on to them rather than sell them cheap and wait for the good games, by that point Nintendo might have sorted out its supply chain and stocked up the shops. I am happy to pay the RRP but need more than Zelda and a re-release of Mario Kart to tempt me.

I still have hope itll get better support than the Wii U... I guess we will see in 4 years time!

Have a Wii and a Wii U. Not sure about a Switch, though. I'm generally interested to know, why should I pay £300 to play, say, another Mario Kart?

Sony and Microsoft don't publish all the games on their consoles, whilst he might not of put it across in the right manner I think many can see he had a valid point... when one of the biggest games at launch is an exclusive from your last brief life span console and its RRP is very high - it could draw some criticism.. lets be honest Sony and Microsoft did similar (although not quite as bad when it comes to launch selection) Not sure why switch games have RRP of £60... or at least seem to...

Nintendo do appear a little bullet proof...

I bought a N64 on launch and have always been a massive Nintendo fan but not to the point that I -

1 - believe the urban myth that Nintendo hold their price better than any other.
2 - defend everything they do.
3 - fail to see that releases on your console (Sony/Xbox/Nintendo) and their RRPs do effect public image of your console.

Because it's completely portable.

Whether that's worth £300 is a matter of perspective.

It's worth it to me. But maybe not you.

If there's nothing on the Switch you want to play right now, or can already play on your Wii-U, then obviously better to wait. Thought I'm not expecting a price drop too soon unfortunately.

You don't, as it costs £280.

You can also feel free to make up your own mind by looking at what games are available for it, what is coming out in the future and whether the system appeals to you. If you are not attracted to it then do not buy it.


It's called freedom of choice...

I guess it depends a little bit on ones definition, but I can understand the request for 'grown up' games.

I'd consider Monster Hunter, Xenoblade Chronicles, Fire Emblem, Bravely Default and Etrian Odyssey to be fairly mature, at least on a complexity level - which is what matters to me - and it feels like there's always been a good number of those type of games on the DS/3DS.

I'll be buying a Switch system once a few of those, or similar, have rocked up.

(Not that I have anything against the other games, particularly Zelda, but I have it/them on the Wii U, and it doesn't feel like the Switch offers anything more - other than portability.......yet!)

I have a Wii and Wii U and both the other current consoles and was pondering on buying the Switch as I knew I could get Zelda on the Wii U. I caved in and bought one on Saturday with Zelda and I'm completely glad I did.

I didn't think I would need the portability aspect but I've not even connected it to my TV yet, I love the fact that I can just pick it up, it will instantly switch on and be in the game within a second, you can then put it to sleep with a touch of a button and then switch it back on again instantly from where you left off. This allows me to play 10 minutes here and 10 minutes there etc. Whilst the other half is watching Corrie I an just pick the Switch up and have a quick blast without having to leave the room to use another TV, I've even brought it to work to use at lunch.

Don't know whether the novelty will wear off but so far I've no complaints.

Thing is, Nintendo has very little to do with pricing decisions from third-parties. They took great pains over the 3DS and Wii U years or so to communicate this (as you can tell, it's a deep rooted belief). Even if Nintendo reduces the overall cost to the third party publisher there's zero guarantee the savings will lead to lowered prices.

I think only financial incentives to WB to price the game lower might work but that's a band-aid fix. And you really want to reserve that option for bigger releases.

I imagine they're frustrated by the complaints too.

Don't know, Just feel like the N64 , every game was gold.

then the wii u and wii, you had a few great games, then hundreds of games like "nintendo dogs" or "Wii cooking" basically any old ****, the type you see in the bargin bucket a year latter for £3.99

Totally - The Wii and the DS was pretty terrible in this regard, it was hard to find the good stuff in the ocean of spam.

I feel like they did kind of learn from that though. There was plenty of really high quality stuff on the 3DS, and by the end the Wii U had a pretty nicely curated if small catalogue. If they can pull that altogether on one console, it's really going to be worth owning in a couple of years time - in my opinion!

The PS2 had the same problem. It didn't help that videogame retailers were happy to throw us whatever junk they thought they could sell from the Wii catalogue too.

Even the DS with it's rich library of games suffered greatly from retailer game placement at point of sale. You'd be hard pressed to find the highly rated games at retail - just dross or licensed properties.

I loved Nintendogs btw :wink:

He really didn't have a point at all as the game on the Switch is the same price as it is on the other consoles. It's disingenuous to intimate that Nintendo should provide financial incentives to allow Lego City to be somehow cheaper simply because it is being released so close to the launch of the Switch - it is a game that is launching simultaneously across all platforms; the timing of which is entirely down to WB.

People seem to have a massive issue with the price of Lego City and some are (wrongly) pointing at the console manufacturers as the source of a perceived indescretion. How Nintendo entered the debate was completely erroneous as this is a game launching on all platforms for the same price. It may be a price that any given individual balks at but Lego City should not be used as a device to beat Nintendo with - which is what Chasloyal's comment did.

Now, the points you make are valid to a degree but you're approaching your comment from the position that people are defending Nintendo when they're not. They're pointing out that Nintendo had nothing to do with the pricing of this and, more importantly, had even less to do with the pricing of Deus Ex on another console.

The more popular the hardware, the more dross it attracts. That's the nature of business. The wonderful thing is that there was a many great games on the Wii as there were on the N64 - you just had more dross to wade through to get them. Such is the price of success, alas.

It's not a bad thing, it just means that you have to work harder as a consumer to be discerning. And anything that forces people to make more informed decisions about anything is a good thing, surely.

10 minutes.....? How do you manage this sorcery? I turn on Zelda and I fast forward my life.

I think he thinks he only plays for 10 minutes.

Like me when I play for 10 minutes in the morning and when I'm done the moon has replaced the sun.

A sound and well round argument I cannot find fault in, although sometimes peoples perceptions will be swerved by the behaviour/actions of a company even if unrelated to another issue, people overlooked massive issues with the PS4 launch and support and zoned in on MS and hammered Xbox and some of its features due to the PR ability (or in fact lack of it) of the head of Xbox at the time, then for months Xbox could do no right at all and Sony cleaned up...

Another Lego game coming out on ps4/xbox is widely ignored doesn't surprise me - whilst when lots of people are looking at deals to pick up and buy a Switch - a lego game that was on the Wii U years ago being one of the biggest and brightest points of the early launch and at a high price point - that could be seen as Irksome... now whilst its unfair that the same title doesn't get as much bad press on the other two maybe isn't fair - its somewhat understandable.

I think many people are just frustrated with the launch and many aspects of it and when that happens, it clouds other things and people then jump on the bandwagon.

I have tried not to jump on the bandwagon... but both the Wii U (at launch and at death) massively disappointed me - although I can see why other did enjoy it - and now I had hoped the switch would return me to the golden days of the Gamecube and N64 (still to this day two of my fave consoles - SNES and NES are good but I think SNES vs Megadrive was close, where as I think Gamecube and N64 stood alone) at the moment I just cant see it ever becoming what It could be but I hope I am wrong and it get the games to support the tech...

Nintendo isn't the only one guilty of this... the Vita is amazing and I love it... I just wish it had more games... I play more psp games on it than I do Vita.

with a busy life, wife, kids and a dog I have to take every 10 minutes I can get.

Everyone just needs to chill

Took the plunge, reserved, albeit a store 30 mins drive away.

I get that, definitely I do. Which is why I think people looking to uncloud Chasloyal's judgement were correct and proper in their comments. I also appreciated the fact that people didn't start defend Nintendo in an emotive way just a simple, 'check your facts, mate' and then he/she posted some truly odd comments that I failed to flow in a coherent way.

get the train and play Zelda on the way back....

Take a baseball bat too.



Just, you know, just in case...

Good game, slighty irritating at times and some annoying loading times on wii u but still great fun. Definitely worth a look for Switch owners who didn't play the wii u version before and will benefit from slightly reduced loading times. I'm thinking about double dipping on ps4 or pc when I see it cheap.

Xbox one definitely dropped in price in the first 6 months. It failed miserably after their PR and silly policies hurt it. PS4 didn't because it was a success out of the gate.

Just a heads up though, when referring to price cuts, I was talking about how frequently the Xbox One and PS4 change prices at the moment. Not when they launched. Wasn't taking a swipe at the other two to "defend" Nintendo. :smiley:

I'm ready...



:laughing:

She must be starving by now....saying that, there's good eating on Abraham :-)

Alot of Lego fans

This is a cracking game. It's like a kid friendly GTA so ideal to play as a family. If you never played the Wii U version then this is deffo worth picking u, great spot OP!

I just wanna say that THIS is a good switch deal not that stupid one on here the other day for £330 with zelda at retail price lol so many sheep !!

I'm waiting for this bundle to drop to £86 in a Tesco clearance like the Wii U years back when I got it. Seriously though doubt that's going to happen again, so waiting for more games to release and the black Friday sale.

wait for Switch 2.0 :wink:

Yeah find a couple of faults from the million+ sold and try scare buyers lol

ALL consoles have a percentage of faulty units. I had 3 PS4 Pro's before I had a good one.
Just luck

It's got good third party support, finally, but it's still an Nvidia Tegra putting out 720p .. it's wildly overpriced, and looks like a prototype mockup that would normally not make it into production.

I really wanted to own the new Nintendo, but really disappointed with what is just a more powerful ps vita clone. Trust me, the next generation games aren't going to be on a tablet. The PS4 pro for now and the Scorpio at Xmas will be the future. Zelda breath of the wild is just as good on the wii u.
I hope I'm wrong as I love Nintendo, but not quite sure that we are going to see loads of teenagers with their switches outside McDonald's.

just like ps4s and Xbox ones going for about £50 on Amazon warehouse last year that price was a one off

After 1.11 patch, BoTW on Switch runs so much better than it's on Wii U.. If you can't afford Switch right now I would recommend wait for the price drop or a bundle later.. you definitely don't want to ruin the experience of playing the very best game of this generation on Wii U.

4K and HDR is not everything.. I own a PS4 Pro and plan to get the Scorpio too, I even platinumed Horizon Zero Dawn (which is a brilliant game) but I have to say I enjoyed Zelda the most..

I want a switch but there's not enough on the system yet. Once a few new games are out nintendo get the stock shortages sorted out.

"ruin the experience...By playing on Wii U"?? Utter nonsense.

If I didn't have a Wii U I might have bought a Switch for Zelda, but trying to suggest that there is a new consoles worth of 'better' between the Wii U and Switch versions of the game is ridiculous.

I played Botw on both Wii U and Switch...yes, I bought the Wii U version to complete my collection too.. w/ the latest patch the game runs much better on Switch and to me it's worth every penny of the new console.. obviously this is all subjective but it's my honest opinion.

couple in million+? or thousands?
except these are not faulty units, these are issues that develop because of poor design, poor engineering and poor design.

Uhhh...I'm not a doctor but it looks like you might need to get laid. Failing that a bucket of water over your head.

It's £300 quid better?
Oh I see you used the term subjective. £300 isn't subjective.

For me? Absolutely.. I have to admit I do have passion for playing games on the best possible hardware so that's not for everyone

I think almost everyone 'can afford Switch right now' if they wanted, unless they don't have a job. The question is if people find the Switch good value at this stage considering its average specs and the games available.

You're either a bad troll or plain stupid

Not sure which yet....read what you quoted and what you said.
Sigh...

You can't write, can you also not read? I already said it was a one off, if you had bothered to finish reading my post. Also comparing used/open boxed to brand new sealed consoles. :smirk:

This is so tempting! I can get argos vouchers with 5% off making the bundle £285... Plus 1% Quidco. I'm so tempted!

Oh ok. Thanks for the tip. Needed that help, doc. :laughing:

while you decide,I happily say what you are : some stupid fanboy who can't tolerate valid criticism.

Bloody hell... it's like a children's forum sometimes

It can be at times, you're right. :laughing:

Sorry everyone for clogging the first page up going back at Chas. I have deleted my comments (Can't remove top comment mind) to try to clear it up a bit. Stupid behaviour on my part really. I shouldn't have got involved as it only made myself look bad and made a mess in here. Sorry again. :smiley:

If that game is Zelda just fine

The reasons I have not bought a Switch yet are:
1) the Mario Odyssey game release late in year
2) waiting for hardware flaws to be ironed out
and not for hardware price reduction (although this would be nice).

Not excited by PS4 Pro or Scorpio, many gamers want an innovative console with good games/ family games and not just raw power killing zombi's with a headset.

For what? For putting valid, clearly-worded rebuttals to another member's poorly-thought-through, very one-sided argument? That's what this site is about. No apologies necessary, IMO.

Is that, is that a pink protector?? Or are you taking it swimming? :stuck_out_tongue:


Just joshing.

Possibly...i think I owned 16 N64 games (most of them to top end games, Mario64, mariokart,OoT, goldeneye etc), all of them seems amazing. I'd Struggle to name 16 good (never mind top end) games on the wii or wii u

however, as you say it may be because I didn't sieve through all the tripe to discover these. It also may be coupled with age. Owning an Snes and N64 between about 7 - 14 (ideal target age for Nintendo) everything seemed great, however for a 30 year old in 1995 the N64 may have not seemed so great...(although i doubt it :wink: )

I found it witty and entertaining biddy, as no doubt many others did too! - Don't worry too much! :laughing:

"ruin the experience...By playing on Wii U"?? Utter nonsense.

If I didn't have a Wii U I might have bought a Switch for Zelda, but trying to suggest that there is a new consoles worth of 'better' between the Wii U and Switch versions of the game is ridiculous.

Sometimes?

Come over to misc. Oh wait, it's even worse there :sunglasses:

I was the perfect age for the SNES and N64, too. And the N64 remains my absolute favourite console - both for singleplayer and multiplayer games. I agree that the great games on the N64 seem to be unmatched on the Wii and Wii U but I think that it's a combination of being the right age for the N64 and the fact that we'd seen games transition from 2D to 3D and it blew our tiny minds. Stepping into Hyrule Field in OoT will never be matched in my mind as it was like nothing I'd ever seen before - that impression is indelible. Mario 64 was the same - the freedom of movement, the scale, the variety - all mind blowing.

But the likes of Mario Galaxy and Mario 3D World are just as great as games. Mario Kart 8 is effortlessly the best Mario Kart game. The great games are there but it's impossible for them to make the same impression they once did when we were young.

That's not to say that they're not making that impression on a new generation, however. My daughter is blown away by so many games on the Wii U. I'm glad that Nintendo are still doing that same trick for kids even today: showing them a world of wonder, splendor and appropriate content. The Wii and the Wii U are both excellent consoles, in my opinion. They're just not excellent consoles for people who have moved on from the bright and colourful worlds of Nintendo - although I would say that everyone should dip back into games like Nintendo's every so often to remind themselves how wondrous life can be. Just like watching a Pixar film.

Well said. Nintendo produce magic stuff. Our tastes change as we age but it's undeniably a great producer of games.

That's not the Switch though, people are playing it at 4k 60fps emulated on PC plus they can use a better controller. Switch is only 150 gflops for normal portable mode with a portable boost mode to 200 gflops for intensive games like Zelda. Docked performance is really just an upscale and has limited memory bandwidth so can't make full use of the 380 gflops. The fact the Switch instantly switches between docked and portable mode and vice versa prevents new graphic assets being loaded. All it can effectively do is an upscale and anti-aliasing on the fly. Splatoon 2 looks terrible with aliasing and is only 720p docked. I'm just making the point the Switch isn't powerful at all. It's got about 2x the cpu power of wii u which still makes it about half the cpu power of ps3 for example. Also of the 4 cpu cores, a complete single core is taken by the operating system. The Switch's whole memory bandwidth is 25.6GB/s this dictates how much data can be moved and this bandwidth is far lower than ps3, 360 and even wii u overall. It's mainly the modern feature set of the nvidia gpu that gives the Switch an advantage including tile based rendering plus it has a lot more memory. Also cartridge sizes force Switch games to be smaller. Basically its a very powerful portable console but an incredibly weak home console.

You get a £10 voucher too for spending over £100 at argos. Still going to wait till closer to christmas to see how the console is doing before I think about purchasing.

This is the same country that buys every regular, GOTY and HD edition of Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Minecraft etc but no one ever comments on that!

Cool story bro

Ironically though my fave games on the n64 and gamecube weren't actually Nintendo games but they were exclusives...

N64 - Goldeneye, Rogue squadron, WWF NO mercy, Beetle adventure racing, Body Harvest.. to name a few...

Yes 1080, F-Zero X, Wave Race, Star Fox, The Multiple Mario, the multiple Zeldas, and Diddy kong racing were all amazing but it had some great exclusives that weren't Nintendo and solid cross platform games - the maddens, fifas, resident evils etc... but it was amazing how many games were on the N64 that were not Nintendo that were N64 exclusives and amazing... Star wars Rogue squadron at the time was simply breath taking...

A similar thing happen on the gamecube... solid Nintendo titles... as youd expect but again brilliant 3rd part exculsives and then stand cross all platform releases that were just as good - although often harder to find and more expensive than on the xbox or ps2....

I think personally the uniqueness of the Wii and the fact games simply couldn't be ported across from ps3 and xbox 360 meant 3rd party devs move away from relationships with Nintendo and somehow everyone forgot about the awesome games Nintendo used to have that weren't Nintendo...

I see comments on Nintendo threads all the time (and replies to me directly) saying that Nintendo ALWAYS release like this and when you have Zelda and Mario what else could you need and expect from a Nintendo... well I remember pre-Wii so I have much much higher expectations....

Making that list of old games has made me want to play.. wave race loads... and then on to the three Rogue Star wars games...

I didn't even mention perfect dark... with the N64 expansion... now that was a game...

Came quicker than expected, you made my day. Sold out everywhere else at the time, a true life saver.

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I have a passion for wasting money on things to...No need to square the circle or circle the square or whatever :stuck_out_tongue:

Blimey so much hate for pointing out the obvious just illustrates the stereotype of your average Nintendo Fan all the more, this is about you's rather than it is about your precious multi billion dollar company.

I assume that is why my post mentioning one of the prominent members of the HUKD Nintendo flock digging me out for being the full time carer of a terminally ill parent got deleted and I got yet another suspension for it, hohum.


There's nothing quite like delusional paranoia, defending the company when it's actually the company's fans I'm talking about :smile: you proved my point with your very first response yesterday, priceless.


Erm yes I realise that, next question......


I think you obviously missed the posts I had deleted and I can't fathom how not a single Nintenut ever moans about always getting turned over but such is life.


If you can show where I blamed Nintendo for the pricing I'll gladly answer your question but seeing I spoke about them always getting a free pass(as in BY THEIR FANS) I think it's safe to say you wont be able to do anything of the sort :smirk:


Am I right in assuming that you really are a WWE fan?


Erm well they are defending Nintendo or at least their ridiculous blind loyalty to the brand because at no point did I suggest Nintendo were responsible for the pricing, selective reading will always make one look a prize dinlow.


Nothing emotive about defending someone against something they've not even been accused of, oh no no no absolutely not :smirk: perhaps it's all you Nintenuts that need to check your facts and read what I wrote, my point is you mob not moaning where owners of other consoles would and rightly so.


Tells you all you need to know about someone when they come out with that two bob line

And finally seeing this thread is like a cyber Nintendo Fan sheep pen.....



I noticed this whilst walking Canine Loyal earlier today, a real life Nintendo Fan sheep pen with fully customised gate initials :man:

Give it a rest please. You have completely derailed the OP's deal thread
You've been given multiple responses referencing your quote. At this point it's clear that you're not listening.

If you really need a reminder - "Only Nintendo can get a free pass to keep re-packaging antique titles from previous platforms and charging full whack for them on their latest hardware"

If you weren't blaming Nintendo for the pricing then who exactly were you blaming?

Right so did anyone actually pick up a switch from argos or was I the only one :laughing:

Snitches get Switches!

Uhm plenty of PS4 owners slagged Sony out for the relentless tsunami of remasters in the first year or two post launch regardless of them being first party or not, me very much being one of them yet here we have a four year old title going for stupid money yet NOT ONE single Nintendo Fan utters even a syllable of dissent about it?

It takes a non fanboy to bring it up and then there you go painting me as the pantomime villain accusing me of "derailing" the OP's deal thread :smile: you 'give it a rest' and wind your neck in please! Your bio pic is the Switch logo ffs so how is anyone who is not blindly devoted to the Mushroom Kingdom cause ever going to be able to reason with you eh?

The reality is here we have a £280 games console and a £40 game going for 300 quid, like seriously 5% or 6% off?

Oh brother that's an apple 'cheaper' when combined when they should be retailing at £295 max anyway, in fact it should really be thrown in as a bundled game for the 280 quid ticket full stop.

How 1000 plus people think this warrants hot is beyond me but it is what it is and that's their decision though I'm not going to have you or any other Nintendo Fan tell me I am derailing this thread by standing by my conclusion that this is no deal, if anything I actually deem it a stripe up.

I think you need to do some self moderation.. it's not healthy.
Yes - the console is underpowered, but this is a consumer forum, and most people only care about the shiny box.

well, that was an unexpected tirade. you're really not doing yourself any favors here. back to the question you deflected. if you weren't blaming Nintendo then who exactly were you blaming? Not defending Nintendo here. Just calling you out on your highly liked but ultimately incorrect statement.

I'm all for self moderation, especially on matters of conscience like say certain ideologies that many of these consumers would totally disagree with Nintendo's values on.

We could discuss the organisation's traditional ultra conservative stance on issues such as conventional relationships which your average libtard deems 'homophobic' :smirk: we could discuss the late Iwata's alleged links with high ranking members of Japan's far right and the company's patriotic monarchist loyalty to their emperor.

All matters I applaud Nintendo's former and possibly present hierarchy for but when it comes to corporate policies on their hardware, their persistent negativity toward third party publishers and their unwillingness to accept gamers who grew up on Nintendo developing a more varied taste of video games as they get older I beg to differ.

Indeed most people on a consumer site like this do tend to only care about the shiny box but I am not your average consumer and neither are the fan boys and girls singing off their various hymn sheets. Thus I am not willing to swallow the drivel that devotees of any given product be it from a sportswear brand to an electronic gadget spew out if I don't agree with it. They call me out for stuff I say they don't agree with and I do the same when I read some of the rubbish they trot out, that's what public forums are all about after all.


Only a special snowflake would describe that as a tirade and you reckon I'm not doing myself any favours :smirk: Nintendo Fan Land really must be in some parallel universe far far away.

just collected, thanks OP

I know it's considered bad to feed trolls - but describing anyone who is liberal as a "libtard" is really juvenile. It closes down political differences into a binary good/bad tribal shield beating exercise. I'm taking from this that you like the homophobic tone of games? If so, does that make you a con-tard?
Your posts are the Online equivalent of a dirty protest - smearing them up the wall and rubbing your fingers around. Trying to offend people? Stupid. Being homophobic? Stupid. Not accepting differing opinions? Stupid.
Protending to be all those things to get attention - SAD!

I have replied to your rather intolerant paragraph of something and it says my reply is now live but it's not there hmmmm not really sure why because me saying what Nintendo supposedly believes and has illustrated in their policies as a company for decades is down to them, nothing to do with me or my views.

Man, some of you guys need to chill out. If you get this angry over games (which you're under no obligation to purchase) I'd hate to see how you handle actual problems.

Good article on Lego undercover here for its technical performance.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-lego-city-undercover-face-off

The headline is more positive than the detail of the text though and elsewhere I think they have been more critical of the Switch version. However one thing that is quite funny is the Switch version in docked mode is running at a higher resolution than xbox one. It doesn't really compare with xbox one graphically overall but because the xbox one is copying the ps4's visual output quality it has to drop resolution. Shadow effects are worse on Switch than wii u. Frame rate on portable mode is a bit worse than wii u but better docked. Depth of field effect reduced in portable mode and from what is written elsewhere reduced quality textures on Switch so they could fit it on a 8GB cartridge but it doesn't seem to matter. I mean its a Lego game so no one cares surely about realistic, high resolution textures.

Still slow loading on Switch but not quite as bad as wii u. In the pecking order of versions as you would expect the Switch is above wii u but below the other versions although saying that the PC version has some issues which needs to be addressed. Pricing is most expensive on Switch due to cartridge costs and digital having to match that price.

Why are you so offended by a re-release? They all do it!, (The record industry with its cover versions an re-releases,the Film industry with their endless sado remakes of films that didnt even need remaking in the first place, and endless reboots of franchises like spiderman, batman etc),

Hardly anyone got to play Lego City first time around cos it was a wiiU exclusive, So now its getting another chance on a more (Hopefully) popular platform, Switch has already sold 1.5 million units worldwide in its first week of sale, Beating even the Wii's sales.
If you dont like it comeing out for Switch, good for you!, But what is, wrong with everyone else having the chance to play it now on the other platforms?
its out on Switch,PS4, xbox etc at the publishers choice.

Anyone got any deals for games on these?

very hot deal

Quite a hot deal. I'd be minded to wait. I can't see Lego City holding its value as it's a remaster and there will be other more valuable games cropping up in deals moving forward. Ideal if you are looking for a Switch just now though.

I'll sort you all out. Look, we know it is a 4 year old game, we know it is not even that great, we also know people wouldn't even touch it if it were on the xbox first or the ps3 etc. BUT it is a NINTENDO game and we know how nintendo fans are, no need to say more, or insult them even. We know.

Is the game expensive? sure? but thats exactly why thinking people do not need to buy it on the ps4 or the xbox. Nintendo fansboys are duty bound to purchase it, no brains or decisions necessary.

To be fair this is still £5.01 over the mentioned budget!

I understand why people are getting upset about the incredibly weak launch (and seemingly for the next few months) lineup. Remasters are a good thing when they're done well, but some are awful and obviously cash grabs. When one the most anticipated games being released for switch is a port of a 3 year old wii u game (Mario kart), you have to ask yourself why that is. All that I see out on this console are ports and retro games, and not even the classics. Even if there was a good collection of virtual console games, that would help. Having said all this I would love a switch, and will be getting one, Zelda looks incredible and the I love the portability. But it's so obvious that they only released the console now so that Zelda could finally be released. Gahhh I don't know what to think anymore. I both love and despise Nintendo

You can also play Zelda BOTW emulated at 4k 60fps which not only looks stunning but feels better at 60fps. Also faster load times, less frame rate issues depending on pc etc. Makes the game more immersive without aliasing and a cleaner resolution. Such is the low performance levels of Nintendo hardware that you can play their latest game emulated pretty much from day one. I'm a wii u owner myself but its pretty obvious both wii u and Switch look total crap compared to the emulated game. Also pc controller better too depending on what controller you use of course but I would definitely say either xbox controller is better than the joycons and new pro pad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7JZL52U6Hw&t=1

So there are other options.

as much as i want a Switch, I can't justify £300 to play a years old Wii U game. Seems like the Switch is just a slightly faster Wii U? I don't get this console realyl but at £199 I'd give it a pop...not £300

I preordered and in hindsight, probably wouldn't have hurt to wait for a well priced bundle. Aside from Zelda there's not a lot going on.

You can steal a car and drive it 100mph in a 30mph street too.

So there are other options.

No piracy involved if you own a legal copy of the wii u game like I do.

Can CEMU run it from the original disk then? :wink:

Are you saying installing my 360 discs to the 360 hard drive is piracy? I get where you are going with this but I think the legal definition is owning the software which you are using which you would even if you weren't running the code from the original disc. You should in theory backup your own game rather than use roms from the internet. You can back up wii u games for use with emulators. I've not tried emulating the wii u yet I'm still playing Zelda on the original wii u but I feel morally I'm entitled to do so when I do and also Sony failed to stop bleem which was a legal test case in this area. I.e. running psx games on a dreamcast emulator.

Yeah that's correct.

http://www.govyou.co.uk/copyright-law-personal-backup-of-video-games/

BTW I do actually agree with you and use emulators myself. But I am fairly sure it is not legal.

I'd guess installing 360 games is not piracy or circumvention of a copy protection so that would be legal, but I am not an expert!