Errr... one of those links is the same article I shared with you - except mine was for people able to read, rather than sit slack-jawed in front of their screens as the article is read aloud to them. :smile: Again, at the risk of repeating myself (and them) - the 480 didn't mostly beat the 1060, no matter how many times you devolve into ALL CAPS.

Your second link shows the 1060 ahead in lots and lots and lots of games - Dishonored 2, Battlefield 1, Watch Dogs 2, Gears of War 4, Civ VI... indeed, they even ended by summarising that the 1060 is "faster on average" than the 480 (literal quote from near the end of the video in your link! :smile:), I'm not sure what your point is...? (Although I hadn't seen the 480 ahead in F1 before, so at least I learned something from your misfire! :smiley:)

Oh, any chance all those tests were run on an i7? No comment on the 480 needing a high-end CPU?

No comment about the hotter 480?

No comment about the increased power consumption?

No comment about the shockingly bad performance in SteamOS and Linux?

I completely understand your position. I'm a bit of a Logitech fanboy, myself - so, of course, any genuine flaws in Logitech products simply DO NOT EXIST for me. :man:

Buy Logitech!

Not sure where you get your information.

Ignoring the oxymoron of the 480 both matching AND beating the 1060... :smile: I've seen one source - just one - that claims that the 480 has caught up to the 1060, a few months ago. Not beaten it - caught up to it. Running tests on an i7, that is. A few weeks later, another article with updated tests still put the 1060 significantly ahead of the 480 (again, on an i7 - although the gap has definitely appeared to narrow since release). So I'd like to see where a 480 has overtaken a 1060, "beat[ing] it in MOST titles", if you'd be so kind?

Of course, running on an i7 (and Windows, incidentally) produces the absolute best-case scenario for the 480, as the performance dials back far more quickly with lower CPUs compared with the 1060. Anyone looking for a nice, strong card for an i3, non-overclockable i5, or Ryzen CPU would probably still be better off with a 1060 (although sadly, there are very few reviews using Ryzen with a 480 so far - although I did notice that the 480 gets better performance with Ryzen with some DX12 titles that don't see any improvement on Nvidia. But I digress...).

I don't see anyone claiming Polaris has "heat issues" - but it's a fact that the 480 runs hotter than the 1060. Of course, it uses a lot more power (the power used by the 1060 is ridiculously tiny), so we'd expect it to run hotter. Although that does lead onto the power consumption. There would certainly be people with PSUs that could handle the 1060, but not the 480, so for those people, you'd have to add in the cost of a new PSU. (The cost of the increased wattage on a 'leccy bill would only be an extra ~£5/year for the 480, so not a big deal.)

And anyone interested in gaming on a Steam machine, or gaming in Linux, still cannot consider an AMD GPU. We've finally moved past the point where a 750 outperforms a Fury, but AMD's still far, far behind in any non-Windows PC gaming.

But, yes, if you have an i7, a good enough PSU, and will only use Windows, then the 8GB 480 is certainly a compelling alternative to the 6GB 1060 - a ~£25 saving for slightly less performance with only a small increase in power consumption and temperatures would make it a fairly even choice, so this (~£220 or less) really is the price that a 6GB 1060 needs to be.

A decent Freesync monitor would then make the 480 a no-brainer.

Intel HD grafiks r best !

AmD & NVIDIER sux!

Why is every GPU thread a willy-waving contest?

Expired, can you please click expire. Thanks.

​How can you hate the company that gives the current generation of games consoles their splendid graphics and brought 64 bit computing to the average Joe? :confused:

​I hear ya, many can't though; since treating my eyes to a monitor than can keep up with my graphics card it's like bathing them in silk after using a horrid 60Hz HP monitor at work for any length of time :sunglasses:

I got my 24" BenQ GSync monitor for £200 :wink:

Very interested in that Amiga 1200 for £50 in 1994. I've never seen them that cheap before. Where did you see that?

Hardly ever look at Tom's these days, so had forgotten that they got themselves an IR camera. That is a useful thing to measure, but I prefer they way hardware.fr do it (although the seldom review graphic cards) as they have those images on one page. With that Tom's review you have to go each card's page to do a comparison making it very hard to see which card has the best VRM and memory cooling for instance. Obviously Tom's think that their poor layout forces people to watch more of their adverts, but I think the bad layout is one of the main reasons I seldom go to that site.

From that group review, the Inno3D runs way cooler: nearly 120°C for this versus 68°C for that Inno3D. In other words, EVGA actually managed to make a card where the VRMs run hotter than in Nvidia's F* Edition. Surprisingly, the power consumption seems to be very similar so VRM temps don't seem to make a big difference (unlike chip temperatures which make a big difference to power consumption).

​completely agree. while the amd cards are great for the price, the only things that stop me buying one are the consistency of frame times is better with the nvidia cards and the amd software/drivers. I have 2 machines which I game on depending if I am at home or at university. one amd and one nvidia and the experience on the nvidia machine is much better overall.

Looking back at my comment again, it wasn't perfect, as I want to make it clear that the Polaris cards absolutely have the potential to offer the best price/performance to many people. It's just that they come with some caveats. If those don't apply - great, you've saved some money!

Still, it irks me to see people blindly recommending the 480 without mentioning the areas where they're significantly weaker or altogether not suitable. This site shouldn't just be about the best deals, but helping people get the right product for their circumstances.

(I did see your comment before, but I don't think the mods had a choice about leaving some of ritchiedrama's comments alone, so anything quoting them would have necessarily been deleted, too. Still, at least ritchiedrama's username checks out! :smile:)

I think this card is fine .. except for the price .. all the latest NV cards are overpriced IMO. :disappointed:

GTX1060 is faster than RX 480 in more recent tests. Especially this superclocked EVGA model.

It is a reasonably good price for this.

lol ye ok in other words "i hate nvidia they are so pricy amd are the best"

amd cards arent bad (i have like 3 rx series cards so i am speaking from experience) BUT THEIR FLIPPING DRIVERS are just utterly the most annoying to deal with donkey feces thats why i always tend to stick to nvidia and before you reply pointing out "why do i have 3 amd cards in the rx seies if i choose nvidia?" its because when you see a bargain and you have money to spend on that particular bargain i take my chances and i know there will be a few that say nvidia drivers are just as worse....well not in my book. never had problems with them whatsoever

Sold my evga 1060 sc very recently used on ebay for more!

The fact you think 60fps is enough for gaming is painful to me, you're embarrassing. You're the same kind of person who thinks the difference between 60 and 120 / 144 / 240 hz isn't noticeable and our eyes "can't see it".

Oh I'm sorry is there a difference in how pre-rendered digital media is displayed on a screen vs a game? I can watch things on my screens upclose.
You Sir fall in to one of the following categories: -
- Moron
- Embarassed enthusiast justifying spending rent on your computer
- Arrogant beyond belief who can only attack rather than debate
- Share DNA with Donald Trump
- Medically unstable
- Having a bad day
- You've let you cat play with your keyboard.
- Think you're the big Dawg about here and anyone actually likes, trusts or think you're the man.

Regardless of reason, I enjoyed my fun in on the traffic, thanks for the suggestion.

I don't want to get roped back into replying to comments. I don't know what the picture means, but its cute. Just buy the 480, I really DGAF.

They certainly don't run hotter than this 1060. Indeed, it'd be hard for any card to without literally being on fire, because the cooler is complete garbage and only cools the GPU die. The memory and VRMs are left without any sort of cooling other than airflow from the fan.



http://www.tomshardware.de/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-pascal-gp106-grafikkarten-roundup,testberichte-242152-2.html

^^

Why are you comparing games a few inches in front of my face that can be fast paced to sitting back and watching a movie? Go play with traffic.

How do you ever watch a bluray or DVD? Last I checked they don't run very fast.

Why is every GPU thread a willy-waving contest?

It shows the rate of improvement over and over again, I am not an AMD fanboy, I hate AMD, every last part of it, but you can see the evolving for yourself with the 480, dx12 titles are starting to go ahead with the rx480 at a cheaper price point, which was originally what I said.

You can say hotter all you want, all of that is relative just like my 1080 Ti maxes out at 67 degrees while every reviewer and everyone else is hitting into the 70's+

I agree with your comment on gsync monitor+1070. However, you are completely wrong about the 480 8gb 'matching AND beats it in MOST titles'.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_1060_STRIX_OC/26.html

The 1060 consistently outperforms the 480, with only a few titles where the 480 comes ahead or ties. We are talking about a 5-10% variance, before Overclocking. Once you add in OC, the 1060 leaps further ahead, anywhere from 10-15%.

Is it worth the difference in price? Hard to say. But I certainly think that if you are matching an older CPU with a graphics card, it's a 'no brainer' to choose NVIDIA.

As you used this logic with a GSYNC monitor... Who buys an expensive CPU and cheap GPU? Probably not too many people. The AMD 480 will be bottlenecked in Dx11 (97% of all titles) while running on anything below an i5 2500k. And even then, it's still a negative.

Is this worth going for if I already have a 970?

Heat for the effort of predicting the retorts....

So much elitism, good price for this card. Nice find will help some people out! :sunglasses:

There is a lot of fact in here, I actually posted a comment that was deleted by mods (still in some quotes though) about this card being useful to some people and not others. I appreciate the depth you went into to make the differences clear for people.

Errr... one of those links is the same article I shared with you - except mine was for people able to read, rather than sit slack-jawed in front of their screens as the article is read aloud to them. :smile: Again, at the risk of repeating myself (and them) - the 480 didn't mostly beat the 1060, no matter how many times you devolve into ALL CAPS.

Your second link shows the 1060 ahead in lots and lots and lots of games - Dishonored 2, Battlefield 1, Watch Dogs 2, Gears of War 4, Civ VI... indeed, they even ended by summarising that the 1060 is "faster on average" than the 480 (literal quote from near the end of the video in your link! :smile:), I'm not sure what your point is...? (Although I hadn't seen the 480 ahead in F1 before, so at least I learned something from your misfire! :smiley:)

Oh, any chance all those tests were run on an i7? No comment on the 480 needing a high-end CPU?

No comment about the hotter 480?

No comment about the increased power consumption?

No comment about the shockingly bad performance in SteamOS and Linux?

I completely understand your position. I'm a bit of a Logitech fanboy, myself - so, of course, any genuine flaws in Logitech products simply DO NOT EXIST for me. :man:

Buy Logitech!

Nah you're alright, I will stick to 144hz, lol. 60Hz is horrible whatever monitor its on.

Get yourself a nice dell IPS u2414h no flicker or headaches for sensitive types. 60hz.

You're wrong. So don't waste your time writing stuff to me, EVER, again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEw3CaNSbUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiYQqNiqQKU

Plenty more in the last few months.

I cannot reason with ridiculous comments like this, 60 fps is horrendous on my eyes.

I agree with you, 1060 is a good card but AMD is better. But... AOC not being good brand, i disagree. I have an AOC G Sync monitor with a evga 1070 SC and its great, and without v sync i havent had an screen tears.

What's wrong with 60fps? Even 30fps is fine for some games. PC world is fine if they have something cheap

Just not worth the money when you can get an RX480 8Gb for £175-190

What are you going to play at iseries?

:laughing:

boring ... all the spicy comments got deleted

I-series is hell on earth. I've won i-series before, though :]

I was looking for a low profile card for my Micro-ATX LAN rig (Insomnia gaming festival is coming up this month), EVGA are a well known brand. Yes I think this is a good deal, I bought one, along with the blue 2-man tent I posted on here. xD

Do you really believe this is a good deal? You're talking about a select 0.01% of people who MAY get a monitor as a gift (lets be honest, not happening, anyone whos into computers would want a CPU, a GPU, etc before any of that).

I doubt it

No problems.

http://shop.amd.com/en-us/deals

Ideal if anyone wants a card that supports CUDA.

The price of a Mazda 3 2.2 litre turbo diesel is £5000 with less than 50,000 miles on the clock, but only if its 2010 or older. Unfortunately I can't get these from PC World. I don't understand why you would be bothered about GSync monitor prices if you already owned one?

Ok lets get this straight and try and make you understand.

The cheapest Gsync monitor is over £300 that I can find, I also checked PCpartpicker, I believe it was £343. That is also a 1080p monitor and AOC not a great brand.

You can get a 1070 for that price, if you had a Gsync monitor already and then sacrificed having a 1070 for a 1060, you're not very smart.

1060 is not a bad card, nor is it anything special, the RX480 matches AND beats it in MOST titles, and you can get it cheaper.

This is not a good 'deal'.

You'll never understand, I give up, you're the kind of person who goes to PCWorld to buy stuff, or the kind of person who thinks 60fps is a good gaming experience.

You didn't even understand my point, like, I am speechless.

GSync is for when the fps varies, 144Hz monitors are for fps rates up to 144. You can play games at above 60fps on a 1060.... but you know that right?

No-one with a brain would buy a 1060 if they had a Gsync monitor already.

Intel HD grafiks r best !

AmD & NVIDIER sux!

Are you saying AMD cards are suitable for people who already own GSync monitors?

Editted the post to counter some of the arguments, but yes AMD cards are cheaper. They also run hotter, and arn't any good with GSync monitors. It's down to preference.

I recommend changing the category to Computers over Gaming :smiley: Heat added.