This deal is based on 3 adults flying out to Las Vegas from London Gatwick on 27th November 2017 and returning 7th December 2017.
Itinerary
27th - 30th November - Las Vegas 1st December - Grand Canyon South Rim 2nd - 3rd December - Phoenix 4th - 7th December - LA
This holiday does include a fair amount of driving so if you don't feel comfortable driving long distances this trip may not be for you. Flying is also an option but this costs considerably more.
All hotels include free parking and have great reviews on TripAdvisor.
This is just an idea of an itinerary, if you would like to spend longer in another place or cut out places it is easily done.
27th November - Arrive into Vegas at 1600, hop into a taxi to Excalibur which should only take 10 minutes and cost around $10-$15 max. You will be staying in the Excalibur for 3 nights and it is located on the Strip opposite NewYorkNewYork and MGM.
28th - 29th - Enjoy Las Vegas
30th - Spend the day enjoying Vegas and in the evening grab a taxi back to the airport where you will pick up the car. I've chosen Europcar as they're a reliable company. Spend the evening driving 4 hours to Flagstaff where you will spend the night in the Highland Country Inn which has amazing reviews on TripAdvisor.
1st December - Drive just over an hour north to Grand Canyon National Park South Rim which is by far the best view of the Grand Canyon. Spend the day here enjoying the sites of the Canyon. Drive just over 3 hours south to Phoenix where you will be spending 2 nights in the TownePlace Suites by Marriott.
2nd - Spend the day exploring one of the many the beautiful national parks around Phoenix or the city itself.
3rd - Carry on exploring the beautiful parks of Phoenix. In the evening set off to Palm Desert where you will spend the night. It is a 4 hour drive here, if you prefer you can head straight into LA however I chose to stay here as it breaks up the drive. I've chosen the Holiday Inn Express which includes continental breakfast.
4th - Continue the drive to LA, it will take another 2 hours which will take you directly to you the hotel. I've chosen the Best Western Plus Hollywood Hills which is in the heart of Hollywood. As you have the car you have the freedom to explore everywhere and hit the beautiful beaches.
5th - 6th - Enjoy Hollywood, LA, Santa Monica and the many studio tours and theme parks this area has to offer.
7th - The flight from Las Vegas leave at 1700 so you want to leave Hollywood pretty handy at is around a 4 hour drive back to Vegas.
Hotels in Las Vegas and LA have resort fee you must pay, for both it is around $120 for 3 people which is paid upon arrival.
I have included a 20kg bag each for the trip however if you don't need much or if you don't fancy shopping you are entitled to a 10kg hand baggage and personal item. If you choose not to take any luggage it knocks £50 each off the price.
Price breakdown
Flights booked with norwegian.com/ (using discount code EASTER2017UK) - £1047.60
Palm Desert hotel booked through hotels.com (using voucher code for 10% off AFVCUK10417) - £70.28
Hollywood hotel booked through hotels.com (using voucher code for 10% off AFVCUK10417) - £253.60
Total price for 3 people - £1808.12
Total price each - £602.71
All comments (91)
BlueSkies
12 Apr 17#1
BlueSkies
12 Apr 17#2
Straycat1967
12 Apr 17#3
3 adults? Hmmmm sounds kinky!!!
Gollywood
12 Apr 17#4
Oriental looking Doctors need not apply....
coventgamer
12 Apr 17#5
United airlines probably
scottishpunter
12 Apr 17#6
I would recommend upgrading the Luxor as Vegas hotels are relatively in expensive.
mathewwhite
12 Apr 17#7
Great effort to op.....
BigTimeDealer
12 Apr 17#8
1 bed? I need to book this and pretend it was accidental when we arrive :wink:
tallgooner
12 Apr 17#9
J400uk
12 Apr 17#10
Was thinking of doing a USA Vegas trip later in the year as this sounds great, thanks for sharing
moob
12 Apr 17#11
Don't feed Trump's America
chenzz
12 Apr 17#12
Grand canyon and phoenix?! seriously?! Who would spend money to fly across oceans to visit these two places?
Oh, I did, simply because I have relatives living in Phoenix. Trust me, it's not worth it.
christymojo
12 Apr 17#13
minor detail - no longer free parking at Excalibur Hotel in Vegas, but it's not too dear
phoneraider
12 Apr 17#14
Cracking deal. Lets see if dates work :smile:
BlueSkies
12 Apr 17#15
It's ok I've not included the car until you're leaving Vegas :grin:
sJohnson23
12 Apr 17#16
Yup. Love the US but not going there while the cheeto is in charge. The extra impositions they're putting on visitors just makes it easier to stay away.
cribert
12 Apr 17#17
You go all that way to where the V8 is king and you rent a Toyota Corolla?! Needs to be V8 and soft top for the full experience
Drewy
12 Apr 17#18
Grand Canyon is definitely worth seeing. I spent 80 days in the States and the Grand Canyon was one of the best things I saw. We only had two nights there, first day we had our helicopter flight over, then we got to watch the sunset. Got up early to watch the sunrise, then did a walk to the bottom which took 2hrs, was 28C at 5.45am at the top by 9am, it was 46 degrees and took 7hrs to get back to the top. How anyone can say its not worth seeing, doesn't respect nature and beauty
chrisk
12 Apr 17#19
Vega$, the only place on the planet where Alcohol is cheaper than water. Good find but 12 hours flying time is a nightmare
chrisk
12 Apr 17#20
Drove up Route 66 to the Grand Canyon-too much energy to go down then up again.
bojangles
12 Apr 17#21
terrible itinerary. Arriving at 4pm is about midnight in the UK, so throw in some time to adjust.
You can do Grand Canyon South Rim (along with stopping off at the Hoover Dam) in a day driving there & back (or take a coach trip). Or do Hoover Dam, Lake Mead & North Rim in one day & carry on to South Rim & back on day 2.
After a few stops along the sightseeing route you get bored as its just rocks & they end up looking the same.
By the time you go to Phoenix (whats the point?) & LA its prob not worth the hassle of getting back to Vegas, may as well fly back from LA.
lalji
12 Apr 17#22
Not trying to kill the deal but just a word of caution. Last week my friend was to fly to Miami for one week holiday and got an E-Mail from USA homeland security that his ESTA visa was revoked and would not be allowed to enter the USA.
He received the notice only 30 hours before he was to fly.
He E-Mailed them to ask the reason and was told they do not give reasons for any refusals.
Luckily he had Insurance and managed to get all his money back but the £ 50.00 excess
dribspak
12 Apr 17#23
its far from trumps
feeder16
12 Apr 17#24
I suspect these prices don't include resort fees. We have just been stung for these on our honeymoon. Vegas alone is $35 a night.
feeder16
12 Apr 17#25
The hotel booking form references the resort fees for Vegas but you haven't added them to the total price
heskeythegreat
12 Apr 17#26
Tempted to go just to do my bit in helping make America great again.
DnbTse
12 Apr 17#27
Hottttt sooo tempted lol :smile: voting hot for effort and great write up
londonstinks
12 Apr 17#28
Doing a month in June with girl and her sister. We are flying to SF, paid for the mustang and just gonna wing the rest of it.
Derek_Horatio_Shatwell
12 Apr 17#29
Why would anyone stay in Flagstaff when visiting GC, if you're not on an coach tour? Especially when you can stay a few miles outside the park.
andypolack
12 Apr 17#30
My search begins for two friends.
Wortho
12 Apr 17#31
ha I'm in!
mickrick
12 Apr 17#32
Ah, the old "fuel surcharge" airlines love to add on.
gidsterc
12 Apr 17#33
So for you it's like BigTimeDealer said above^: 1 bed? I need to book this and pretend it was accidental when we arrive!!!
carburant
12 Apr 17#34
It grates already.
jaycrooks
12 Apr 17#35
Its basically a very good deal, one of my favourite areas of world travel heat added. :stuck_out_tongue: Only thing I would change is an extra trip from Vegas to Bryce Canyon 250 miles (3 hours 50 mins drive) north, arguably the best national park of the lot. By far the best bit of the USA.
commenter14
12 Apr 17#36
Sorry but that's an awful trip. Vegas and the Grand Canyon are worth seeing, but I've never met anyone who had a good word to say about LA. There's nothing there to see, just terrible roads. And who in their right mind would visit Phoenix? It would be ridiculous to go to those two places over San Francisco. It's an awful lot of very dull driving for such a short trip. Driving through the desert in a Toyota is hardly comparable to cruising down the coast in a convertible.
And December? And three adults all sharing one room? These are cheap tricks to make it seem like a better deal. No one is actually going to book this so I'm not sure why it's getting heat.
For a much better trip, fly to San Francisco, spend five nights there, then fly to Vegas for five nights (a short and dirt-cheap flight), paying for a tour of the Grand Canyon (via plane, unless you want to spend 16 hours on a coach).
No need to hire a car!
jaycrooks
12 Apr 17#37
Have you done the driving trip between LA and Las Vegas? I think Not! I have several times and there are lots of places to visit on the way. I think you should book an all inclusive holiday for at least twice the price in San Francisco and you will meet people on a similar wavelength to yourself !!! . Can you provide costings for your trip so as to compare it is better value for money.
mousebillhicks
12 Apr 17#38
I second that. Well done sir !
flagstaff19651
12 Apr 17#39
Good price ! In August We have a 17 day tour of Denver, Moab, monument valley, Flagstaff, Grand Canyon, Mesa verde, pargosa springs and back to Denver .... Needless to say it's MUCH more expensive than this offer !!! Tempted to go there again ;-)
londongeeza
13 Apr 17#40
Go to America and risk getting shot? No thanks.
There have been 90 mass shootings in 26 different U.S. states in the first 102 days of 2017... oO
londongeeza
13 Apr 17#41
102 days of 2017: 1,009 children & teenagers shot or killed in the great USA.... :neutral_face:
londongeeza
13 Apr 17#42
More than 50 women in the US every month are killed by former partners.
MisterSkinflint
13 Apr 17#43
You're so right. Why don't you go to Morocco or Tunisia instead.
greencode
13 Apr 17#44
I did this route a few years back and it was the best holiday I've had in a long time: Vegas (whilst there visit Grand Canyon on a day tour) - hired Mustang (softtop is essential on a road trip like this) - Death Valley - Yosemite (the most stunning place I've ever visited) - San Fran - LA - San Diego (good driving from north to south as you hug the coastal road and can quickly stop)
Chivas.Regal
13 Apr 17#45
Soft top in December?
bojangles
13 Apr 17#46
if you booked via an eu site then these extras have to be advertised or included under eu law.
bojangles
13 Apr 17#47
I have & I agree with the original poster. Its not a good itinerary. For Starters, there will be no chance to stop at lots of places to visit on the way, as you a 5pm flight to catch. That means being in the airport by at least 3pm, throw in the 5hr drive.. Might have time to stop for lunch - but thats about it. Just leave out LA, its not worth the hassle of the trip. Especially for 2 days. Just spend the time in & around vegas. Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, West Rim of the Canyon, Death Valley, Red Rock Canyon, as well as old downtown vegas - which is much better than the strip vegas imo.
darren9030
13 Apr 17#48
Just don't do what i did & arrive at Gatwick ( Heathrow in my case ) without sorting your ESTA first oO
Heat added .
darren9030
13 Apr 17#49
Not been any stabbings or shootings in London recently has there :wink:
fedex1401
13 Apr 17#50
And there I was thinking about taking my ex wife! :grin:
NomiKaay
13 Apr 17#51
Or, non-ordinary looking people need not apply i.e. every other race besides the superior one!
jaycrooks
13 Apr 17#52
I agree with you as well, another way to do this trip which I think is the best value and most interesting part of the USA (their parks are some of the best in the world) is to go for at least three weeks car hire maybe in and out of LA, Las Vegas. It does say "This is just an idea of an itinerary, if you would like to spend longer in another place or cut out places it is easily done." in the post though. I personally cant see the point of Pheonix either. There must be a dozen interesting place on the route around Las vegas alone.
NomiKaay
13 Apr 17#53
The great stories just keep churning out of 'Murica!
NomiKaay
13 Apr 17#54
How about we compare the statistics of both nations? No contest - so i thought!
Gollywood
13 Apr 17#55
At least this Doc made it onto the plane.
The other 'races' don't get that far X)
aw08
13 Apr 17#56
wow wow .......
justanotherpunter
13 Apr 17#57
If you sleep in the car and only take hand luggage the price goes down to £335 per person!! X)
iDealYou
13 Apr 17#58
1. Don't you have to provide social media handles on the forms now? 2. Risk having your devices' memory copied, stored & examined 3. Risk getting an **** probe by the border staff
I'm not afraid of their guns culture though. :stuck_out_tongue:
Gollywood
13 Apr 17#59
Their new search rules effectively allows them to sexually molest kids & there's nothing you can do to stop it
iDealYou
13 Apr 17#60
I had seen people in the UK having it down in December too.
Anyway, I had been twice in LA & Vegas in December early '90s ... it was really mild weather for me, almost ideal.
iDealYou
13 Apr 17#61
I would stay clear of the US until they learn to tell the different between tourists & terrorists.
commenter14
13 Apr 17#62
The prices for trips like this are always pretty pointless. No one is going to actually go on this trip - a specific departure airport, three adults sharing a room, December... So no I'm not going to price it up. I bet it works out a bit more expensive, but it's a much nicer holiday.
j8ulia
13 Apr 17#63
very odd, i wouldn't rest till i found out why!
Drewy
13 Apr 17#64
Was worth the experience, its definitely not for everyone tho. The route we did had a shelter and clean water every 1.5 miles. There were 4 of us and i was the shortest so lagging behind. Got to the 2nd shelter and decided id have some food,and wait there for the others to return as i was just knackered. After 10mins i decided to try and catch up. Got to the bottom and could hear the others discussing with one of the park rangers whether to go towards the river. Park ranger was advising us not to as there is not shelter and there stopping people coming down who aren't properly prepared. Then we made our 7hr journey back and it was very tough. I had 3 water bottles on me and I'd run out before i got to each shelter, we'd have a long rest at those, wetting stuff to put over our heads. You'd literally walk a very slow 100m and find some shade, and rest. Met another park ranger who told us how a healthy 30yr old man with plenty of water and the right food, died the week before, nice of them to scare us. Ran out of food but met some people along the way who had plenty and shared some which was nice. Was worth it, even the days later where we could barely walk properly round Vegas
muffboy
13 Apr 17#65
If you add the collision damage waiver on the hire car it works out more expensive than a Virgin GALACTIC trip!
greencode
13 Apr 17#66
Softtop any time of the year it's not raining!
becton
13 Apr 17#67
Three hours to drive from the Grand Canyon to Phoenix? You'd have to drive very fast and you'd miss some of the most amazing scenery if you did that. Personally, I'd rather stay north of Phoenix and explore that area, Sedona and Jerome for example, and avoid the big city of Phoenix.
Chivas.Regal
13 Apr 17#68
Just have 10 days in Vegas!
redant
13 Apr 17#69
I'd agree with those who've suggested the Phoenix leg might be less desirable than more time spent in the "Desert Southwest". Highlights in that area other than the Grand Canyon are Monument Valley, Lake Powell / Antelope Canyon, Moab / Arches NP / Canyonlands NP - possibly doing the Grand Circle to include Bryce Canyon NP and Zion NP. Those with plenty of time can include Death Valley and Yosemite as others have suggested. It's possible to have a great Holliday doing a circle from Las Vegas - even if you aren't a gambler.
wayneheppenstall
13 Apr 17#70
Poor time of year, cold.....rubbish car, poor itinerary....flights can be had for that price most of year........oh and LA we spent 3 days there last year and thought it was great.
Dan7712
13 Apr 17#71
Why all the negative comments towards OP for this?
I have just came back from a similar trip, however I started in LA - San Diego - Phoenix - Grand Canyon - Page - Moab (Arches + Canyon Lands) - Grand Junction - Zion - Vegas.
Granted I had much more time. If you want more of a scenic route, I would defiantly check out southern Utah - The national parks are amazing.
It really depends if you want to see cities or scenery!
jaycrooks
13 Apr 17#72
Only in your opinion!!!
londongeeza
13 Apr 17#73
Americans are 25 times more likely to die by guns than anywhere else in the developed world.... can we pin that on Muslims too? (_;)
Chivas.Regal
13 Apr 17#74
It's a good job we're not Americans then!
siadwel
13 Apr 17#75
Probably because it's such a poorly thought out trip. I'm guessing that the op hasn't done a trip like this. Having done the trip you just have I'd have thought you'd know.
Robbo11
13 Apr 17#76
The average December max temperature in Las Vegas is around 16° Celsius (60°F) and around 14° C (56°F) in Los Angeles. The Grand Canyon rim will be colder.
Robbo11
13 Apr 17#77
Oh dear! Nightmare. Can't beat that story but a friend of mine who was well aware of the need for ESTA travel authorization left it until a couple of days before his holiday to submit his application thinking there wouldn't be a problem, only for it to be denied for reasons unknown (they never tell you why). By then, it was also too late to apply for a non-immigrant visa instead so he just couldn't go. He admits he was daft to leave it so late as ESTA e-pass authorization is valid for two years anyway so should probably be the first thing anyone does even before booking their flights.
sidesey
14 Apr 17#78
That sucks. Also it can take up to 72 hours think I read, but it does last 2 years if you manage to get one. Best to do before sort flights etc it seems then.
Calico Ghost Town - now that's something to add to the itinerary! :grin:
siadwel
15 Apr 17#81
Without sounding rude, best not commenting on something you haven't done yourself.
coachie
17 Apr 17#82
If anyone is planning a trip like this, consider using web sites like transfercarus.com for cheap one way rental/ accommodation for a few nights. May even solve the three in a bed conundrum.
boomish
17 Apr 17#83
I agree, I have done the drive and it was one of the highlights, I loved the drive..
Alan69
17 Apr 17#84
Tried to use the discount code/campaign code EASTER2017UK but it keeps saying invalid on the website?
wakeywarrior
18 Apr 17#85
I've done a similar trip, it was great. Flagstaff is good to visit, its coolish in summer, never mind winter. Good place to stay on Route 66. South Rim of Grand Canyon is an amazing sight. I also went to Sedona ( beautiful place) and Utah (stayed St George and went to Zion National Park, wow) that trip. Stupendous scenery.
JESUS!
3 May 17#86
+1 for Sedona. Stunning views and a lovely area
Erko
19 Sep 17#87
What a load of rubbish, the roads in LA are brilliant and there is TONS to see.
commenter14
19 Sep 17#88
Why are you replying to a comment I wrote in April? Are you employed by the LA tourism board? Get a life.
Erko
19 Sep 17#89
No I had this post bookmarked as I just got back from a trip to LA. Eejit.
commenter14
19 Sep 17#90
Reported for the disgusting, infantile insults. Not to mention you lying.
Erko
19 Sep 17#91
Firstly, you started with the insults. "Get a life".
Secondly, I work in the book industry and just visited LA for my Honeymoon, happy to prove that in any way neccessary for any sort of moderator.
LA is beautiful, the roads are very easy to drive on, just didn't want anyone put off by your inane comments.
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Opening post
Itinerary
27th - 30th November - Las Vegas
1st December - Grand Canyon South Rim
2nd - 3rd December - Phoenix
4th - 7th December - LA
This holiday does include a fair amount of driving so if you don't feel comfortable driving long distances this trip may not be for you. Flying is also an option but this costs considerably more.
All hotels include free parking and have great reviews on TripAdvisor.
This is just an idea of an itinerary, if you would like to spend longer in another place or cut out places it is easily done.
27th November - Arrive into Vegas at 1600, hop into a taxi to Excalibur which should only take 10 minutes and cost around $10-$15 max. You will be staying in the Excalibur for 3 nights and it is located on the Strip opposite NewYorkNewYork and MGM.
28th - 29th - Enjoy Las Vegas
30th - Spend the day enjoying Vegas and in the evening grab a taxi back to the airport where you will pick up the car. I've chosen Europcar as they're a reliable company.
Spend the evening driving 4 hours to Flagstaff where you will spend the night in the Highland Country Inn which has amazing reviews on TripAdvisor.
1st December - Drive just over an hour north to Grand Canyon National Park South Rim which is by far the best view of the Grand Canyon. Spend the day here enjoying the sites of the Canyon.
Drive just over 3 hours south to Phoenix where you will be spending 2 nights in the TownePlace Suites by Marriott.
2nd - Spend the day exploring one of the many the beautiful national parks around Phoenix or the city itself.
3rd - Carry on exploring the beautiful parks of Phoenix. In the evening set off to Palm Desert where you will spend the night. It is a 4 hour drive here, if you prefer you can head straight into LA however I chose to stay here as it breaks up the drive. I've chosen the Holiday Inn Express which includes continental breakfast.
4th - Continue the drive to LA, it will take another 2 hours which will take you directly to you the hotel. I've chosen the Best Western Plus Hollywood Hills which is in the heart of Hollywood. As you have the car you have the freedom to explore everywhere and hit the beautiful beaches.
5th - 6th - Enjoy Hollywood, LA, Santa Monica and the many studio tours and theme parks this area has to offer.
7th - The flight from Las Vegas leave at 1700 so you want to leave Hollywood pretty handy at is around a 4 hour drive back to Vegas.
Hotels in Las Vegas and LA have resort fee you must pay, for both it is around $120 for 3 people which is paid upon arrival.
I have included a 20kg bag each for the trip however if you don't need much or if you don't fancy shopping you are entitled to a 10kg hand baggage and personal item. If you choose not to take any luggage it knocks £50 each off the price.
Price breakdown
Flights booked with norwegian.com/
(using discount code EASTER2017UK) - £1047.60
Car hire booked through vehicle-rent.com/en (europcar) - £114.86
Las Vegas hotel booked through hotels.com (using voucher code for 10% off AFVCUK10417)- £158.98
Flagstaff hotel booked through booking.com - £42 (£5 tax to be paid at hotel)
Phoenix hotel booked through hotels.com - £120.80
Palm Desert hotel booked through hotels.com (using voucher code for 10% off AFVCUK10417) - £70.28
Hollywood hotel booked through hotels.com (using voucher code for 10% off AFVCUK10417) - £253.60
Total price for 3 people - £1808.12
Total price each - £602.71
All comments (91)
Who would spend money to fly across oceans to visit these two places?
Oh, I did,
simply because I have relatives living in Phoenix.
Trust me, it's not worth it.
Arriving at 4pm is about midnight in the UK, so throw in some time to adjust.
You can do Grand Canyon South Rim (along with stopping off at the Hoover Dam) in a day driving there & back (or take a coach trip). Or do Hoover Dam, Lake Mead & North Rim in one day & carry on to South Rim & back on day 2.
After a few stops along the sightseeing route you get bored as its just rocks & they end up looking the same.
By the time you go to Phoenix (whats the point?) & LA its prob not worth the hassle of getting back to Vegas, may as well fly back from LA.
Last week my friend was to fly to Miami for one week holiday and got an E-Mail from USA homeland security that his ESTA visa was revoked and would not be allowed to enter the USA.
He received the notice only 30 hours before he was to fly.
He E-Mailed them to ask the reason and was told they do not give reasons for any refusals.
Luckily he had Insurance and managed to get all his money back but the £ 50.00 excess
Especially when you can stay a few miles outside the park.
1 bed? I need to book this and pretend it was accidental when we arrive!!!
By far the best bit of the USA.
And December? And three adults all sharing one room? These are cheap tricks to make it seem like a better deal. No one is actually going to book this so I'm not sure why it's getting heat.
For a much better trip, fly to San Francisco, spend five nights there, then fly to Vegas for five nights (a short and dirt-cheap flight), paying for a tour of the Grand Canyon (via plane, unless you want to spend 16 hours on a coach).
No need to hire a car!
In August We have a 17 day tour of Denver, Moab, monument valley, Flagstaff, Grand Canyon, Mesa verde, pargosa springs and back to Denver ....
Needless to say it's MUCH more expensive than this offer !!!
Tempted to go there again ;-)
There have been 90 mass shootings in 26 different U.S. states in the first 102 days of 2017... oO
For Starters, there will be no chance to stop at lots of places to visit on the way, as you a 5pm flight to catch.
That means being in the airport by at least 3pm, throw in the 5hr drive..
Might have time to stop for lunch - but thats about it.
Just leave out LA, its not worth the hassle of the trip. Especially for 2 days.
Just spend the time in & around vegas. Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, West Rim of the Canyon, Death Valley, Red Rock Canyon, as well as old downtown vegas - which is much better than the strip vegas imo.
Heat added .
It does say "This is just an idea of an itinerary, if you would like to spend longer in another place or cut out places it is easily done." in the post though. I personally cant see the point of Pheonix either. There must be a dozen interesting place on the route around Las vegas alone.
The other 'races' don't get that far X)
2. Risk having your devices' memory copied, stored & examined
3. Risk getting an **** probe by the border staff
I'm not afraid of their guns culture though. :stuck_out_tongue:
Anyway, I had been twice in LA & Vegas in December early '90s ... it was really mild weather for me, almost ideal.
I have just came back from a similar trip, however I started in LA - San Diego - Phoenix - Grand Canyon - Page - Moab (Arches + Canyon Lands) - Grand Junction - Zion - Vegas.
Granted I had much more time. If you want more of a scenic route, I would defiantly check out southern Utah - The national parks are amazing.
It really depends if you want to see cities or scenery!
Probably because it's such a poorly thought out trip. I'm guessing that the op hasn't done a trip like this. Having done the trip you just have I'd have thought you'd know.
That sucks. Also it can take up to 72 hours think I read, but it does last 2 years if you manage to get one. Best to do before sort flights etc it seems then.
Secondly, I work in the book industry and just visited LA for my Honeymoon, happy to prove that in any way neccessary for any sort of moderator.
LA is beautiful, the roads are very easy to drive on, just didn't want anyone put off by your inane comments.
Have a nice life.