​specialoffers is slightly wrong.

10 bit doesn't mean 1000 nits, 10 bit is the amount of colours a pixel can display. NITs are the measurement of brightness.

The higher the NITs the better the HDR will be. Samsung advertise this as the HDR Premium range, and some LG OLEDs also carry this branding.

Back to HDR though, (and I know this now after being stung buying a HDR compatible TV and not a proper 10bit panel) 8 BIT means the TV can show 16.7 million colours, 10 BIT means the TV will show up to 1.07 billion, a huge difference.

Alot if TVs have been getting away with advertising HDR on their TVs even when all it means is that they are HDR compatible, or, can receive a full HDR10 signal and process it.

If you are going to drop a serious amount on a TV and want the very best, make sure to look for full HDR10 capability, not just compatibility. And try and get the brightest NITs you can.

From research i have done after being stung, it seems the best entry level is the KS7000 series from Samsung. They have the full HDR10 and 1000 NITs of brightness.

Hope that helps some :smiley:

Any one care to translate...... ANYONE???

Cannot complain with my Sony android TV's

Ignore the haters the OS is fine

If you don't need a 65" I'd highly recommend paying £40 more for the 55" XD93, its a far superior TV:

https://electrical.coop.co.uk/tv-audio/tvs/led-tvs/sony-kd55xd9305bu-black-55inch-4k-ultra-hd-tv-smart-led-freeview-hd-wifi-son-led-kd55xd9305bu-bk/

Code: Call60 brings it down to £1139.99

Between the philips and SAMSUNG. Not major difference in terms of picture quality. Colour reproduction on the SAMSUNG will be better. If your going TV option over monitor, I'd get a SAMSUNG 4K HDR. HDR makes a difference. If it's for gaming it shall be ok but monitor I will always suggest for gaming as they have faster response and very low input lag. Monitor picture quality is far superior than TV. TV add all these motion, processing garbage etc even if you disable all this the quality is not on par with monitor.

That's interesting to read. Ive been using a phillips BDM4065UC as pc monitor and watching movies. i was hoping a move up to a samsung ks7000 would give me a better picture, even without hdr factored in. Is this correct or would i be disappointed?

​Ok. sorry to misjudge your sex. I apologize.

Well unless I got dementia setting in I am sure I initially said I had got hold of the current version of this set for 1800 quid.

Another poster asked how so I answered the question and then you stuck your oar in using derogatory terms to describe me as a male member.

Oh and finally, the fact I didn't create a thread to publicise the deal we got clearly illustrates I am fully aware of the difference between public sites and staff only offers.

The harsh reality that the nasty little green monster within you reared it's ugly head so you got all stroppy about me mentioning a deal that you it would seem don't have access to is your issue not mine tsk

People comes here for deals open to public, instead of deals to the merchandise's employees.
It's amazing how you could manage to twist my words and imagine my life quality, which has nothing to do with my comments and yours.
Have you ever found a deal here of mobile phone contracts/payg only available to O2/Vadafone/EE employees?
or Sony TV available to SONY employees?
You surely don't understand the difference between a public sites and John Lewis/Waitrose internal forums.

Thanks. I'm looking to buy one. So just wanted to know.

None would be best, but LG is ok, Samsung is ok... it just seems to be Android TV that is so slow.

The os is so slow and laggy I wouldn't bother.

I'm guessing that would be because you're always ashamed of yourself for living so poor but then again I thought the reason people come on here is for the deals.....your words, not mine.



So here's a deal for anyone who works or has immediate family that work at John Lewis Waitrose :wink:

you know how annoying you are by bragging the partnership discount, right?
what a dxxx.

My missus works for Waitrose and that KD65XE9005 is one of the items featured in the current 'partner extravaganza' so drove up to John Lewis Nottingham and ordered ours Friday.

It's 30% off but works out a couple of bob over £1800 because it's 18% off the RRP then 12% off what that figure is, right result nonetheless :wink:

How does that one compare with the KD55XD8577? I was very impressed with this one with 4k content in Currys.
is it the same 8bit+frc.
http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/89ba3fb

I disabled it already since I need to record TV and you can't record anything if you use YouView. Yet another flaw of this TV. You can't pause live TV which I hate too. My 7 year old HD recorder can do that :disappointed:

Don't know if it will help but I read up on the xd93 that if you don't use it turn off you view and the os is much quicker, might help.

EndlessWaves is slightly wrong.

8-bit is the telly you want if you have a Master System or NES and want to maximise optimal picture qualities. SNES or Megadrive and you want to go with the 16-bit.

And I really know my stuff so let this be an end to it.

I got the brand new 2017 Bravia KD65XE9005 for 1800 quid out of John Lewis yesterday :stuck_out_tongue:

Hi is this tv 8 bit or 10 bit? Confused whether to get this or KD-65XD7505 as from what I've read it's 10 bit and motion is powerful but not sure that will make much of a difference

​Me too , our 6 year old 47 inch LG is working fine but I keeping thinking of bigger and better :disappointed:

65 inch not big enough

​i second that.i have the 65inch version and it's a beast

Nothing make your living room look worse or more chavy than a MASSIVE telly. Hot

Crikey, I wouldn't know where to put a TV this size in my house where it wouldn't totally dominate the room even if mounted on a wall. I'm guessing most people turn a spare room into a dedicated cinema/video games room for a TV this big. A friend recently bought a huge TV and put it in the corner of their living room where it obstructs half their window because it is just too big for the size of the room. It looks so wrong and ridiculous but each to their own.

Cannot complain with my Sony android TV's

Ignore the haters the OS is fine

EmperorRosko is slightly wrong.

All HDR TVs can display a billion shades, it's just how they achieve it that differs.

8-bit or 10-bit refers to the number of brightness levels each subpixel can have. 8-bit is two to the power of eight, or 256 and 10-bit is similar, or 1024.

Those brightness levels over three subpixels with colour filters in front combine to produce a pixel that can display either 16 million or 1 billion colours.

But why stop there? Pixels on a 4K TV are so tiny that they can easily work together to produce more shades like subpixels do - so 8-bit TVs can produce exactly the same 1 billion colours that way.

It doesn't make a lot of difference to output whether it's an 8-bit panel or 10-bit panel.

10-bit colour depth is important in other areas. You want a TV that accepts a signal with colours expressed that way or you won't be able to connect future HDR devices, and you want a TV with 10-bit or higher internal processing as that prevents banding when mapping between different colour spaces.

Both are pretty much standard on everything that advertise HDR though, and certainly on any TV with a reasonable level of HDR display ability.


The big variation in hardware support for HDR is the backlight, not the LCD panel. Both it's wavelength (colour volume), brightness and ability to be dimmed to different levels in different areas.

To get a high colour gamut, high brightness and several hundred dimming zones you have to spend over £2k at this size. Or £1500 if you're happy with a nearly new model, Panasonic's refurbished DX902 is an excellent deal.

This TV has just a standard backlight, with maybe a slightly increased brightness but no ability to use it beyond lighting up the whole screen.

10 Bit or 8 Bit?

​Everybody needs a 65" tv. Well thats what I keep telling my Mrs anyway :-)

Tell you this for nothing the operating system is abysmal, even 5.1 seems unavailable there are so any bugs and 3 firmwares not sorted, but the picture is amazing, so buy an Apple TV too

He said '2015 to present' ....

I bought the XD70 55" and have been gaming on it. Played Halo 5 recently in 4k and it looked very crisp. Played Horizon and that looked very good too.

As I have only come off a 1080p tv the pictures looks good to me. I've said this in other threads about this tv, the first thing I noticed was that the blacks weren't as great asmy 1080p TV, that had darker blacks.

I installed VLC media player on this tv to play some videos and noticed that VLC wouldn't play some of the videos but the built in video app would play them, that was a surprise.

It worked out at around £380 for me so I assumed this was a good tv for that price, am I wrong?

One other thing to mention, sony don't use the UHD premium spec, but the xd9305 posted above i believe is the only Sony TV that matches the spec (until the new range comes out), so if picture quality is more of a priority over size I'd be looking at that one.

when you click on get deal it adds on over £300 for the playstation

​specialoffers is slightly wrong.

10 bit doesn't mean 1000 nits, 10 bit is the amount of colours a pixel can display. NITs are the measurement of brightness.

The higher the NITs the better the HDR will be. Samsung advertise this as the HDR Premium range, and some LG OLEDs also carry this branding.

Back to HDR though, (and I know this now after being stung buying a HDR compatible TV and not a proper 10bit panel) 8 BIT means the TV can show 16.7 million colours, 10 BIT means the TV will show up to 1.07 billion, a huge difference.

Alot if TVs have been getting away with advertising HDR on their TVs even when all it means is that they are HDR compatible, or, can receive a full HDR10 signal and process it.

If you are going to drop a serious amount on a TV and want the very best, make sure to look for full HDR10 capability, not just compatibility. And try and get the brightest NITs you can.

From research i have done after being stung, it seems the best entry level is the KS7000 series from Samsung. They have the full HDR10 and 1000 NITs of brightness.

Hope that helps some :smiley:

Only Buy this TV if you want to have this repaired every year.... All I will say is "DPS Board"......
Mark my words, you will be back on here either saying "you were right" or "thanks for the heads up"

Sony have gone downhill for quality control and customer service

use your brain so you can understand you dont need to ask someone to help for understand ,kapish

Any one care to translate...... ANYONE???

marshmallow update has been withdrawn as it was bug ridden.I think the Sony tv for 2015 to present are best avoided

For me, anything that doesn't have ambilight is inferior. So I guess Philips it is!

£50 more at costco if you want the 5 year warranty

I think PlayStation now is being stopped on TVs

If you don't need a 65" I'd highly recommend paying £40 more for the 55" XD93, its a far superior TV:

https://electrical.coop.co.uk/tv-audio/tvs/led-tvs/sony-kd55xd9305bu-black-55inch-4k-ultra-hd-tv-smart-led-freeview-hd-wifi-son-led-kd55xd9305bu-bk/

Code: Call60 brings it down to £1139.99

Wow ..

55 inch for £670, which is a good price too:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01IT200FU/

Have to admit that I don't get on with the UI on these. Just not quite refined yet.