​fine, do that. I wouldn't spend money on an OLED as it stands, and how much future proofing can you ever get from a TV? Buy this now for 3 years, sell for £100, buy a 55" OLED in three years for £460. Much more sensible in my opinion.

Talking of OLED as 'future proofing' is potentially flawed anyway, since the organic subpixels in OLED TVs deteriorate significantly faster than the LED lamps in these TVs. So in six years' time - assuming the rest of the hardware still works - an LED TV will have lost very little brightness where an OLED panel will be discernibly dimmer. Not to mention the likelihood of patchy 'ghost' artefacts from the more accelerated blue subpixel deterioration in OLED panels. There is no way to make them last longer as they are organic compounds, so manufacturers try to lessen the effect by having the display move imperceptibly. Over time you'll still get a build up of patchy screen ghosting either way.


OLED panels look great, but they are astronomically more expensive and certainly don't count as 'future proofing' in my book, for the reasons outlined - on top of the fact that prices will plummet a lot faster than LEDs at some point. It still makes sense to buy a TV like this.

No. TP Vision, who run the Philips TV brand, are a display company. They also make AOC monitors.


Plenty of people still have DVD players or older consoles that get used on a regular basis and don't have an HDMI output.


This isn't an HDR TV, it's support is limited to the ability to read HDR content and adjust the whole screen brightness based on that. There's no local dimming or wider colour gamut.

The KS7000 is the minimum you want if you're buying for HDR, and it's seriously worth considering spending another £500 on something like a DX902.

OLEDs don't tend to do that well in side by side HDR comparisons because they can't do those bright highlights, and there's the colour desaturation at high brightness caused by the white subpixels in LG's OLED panels.

Connected my N64 up using SCART the other day to my HDR Panasonic. Works well. Thanks SCART.

I think this expired yesterday. So to summarise:

Most people who bought this seem happy - including myself

Some people who didn't buy this think it would have made more sense for us to spend an extra £1200 on an OLED one for future proofing.

Good deal, OP.

​I'm so glad you pointed out the new firmware had solved the youtube issue.

I was beginning to think I was the only one affected.

Got the tv, youtube seemed to work well, didn't check it out properly as I was eager to test the android os and side load.
Updated the tv with December/Jan's firmware, then noticed studdering on my yourube videos.

Checked my net connection, making sure it was over 25mbs down. Pausing videos letting them fully loaded seemed to help reduce the issue but never fixed.

Was going to leave the new firmware till another day. But after catching your post, I got it side loaded on, and youtube is working perfectly. No judder, stutter or anything.

Post #309.

Can someone share the link for the firmware update as I have looked but no luck.

Indeed. I also noticed slight judder in YouTube, but now in the new firmware it's gone. Beautiful TV. No problems at all. Rastafari is the almighty.

Wow, the new firmware seems to have resolved the Judder issues I was seeing on YouTube. TV looks fab! I need to find an HDR source to try out, appreciate this isn't the proper HDR experience but I'm chuffed with the price I paid for this and now have 500 quid to spend on something else (was going to buy a KS7000).

I had 3 small light bleeds at the bottom of my set and noticed if I "pulled" the bezel away from the screen a little that they went. My fix was a small tab of paper between the screen and bezel, and with a bit experimentation in moving left or right of the source, the bleeds are all but gone. Once inserted, the tabs of paper cannot be seen. Have a go see if it helps if yours are on the screen edges.

I wouldn't want to go through the hassle again tbh. I hardly return anything and when I do it's generally a straightforward process. This experience has been enough to put me off the TV, and off Argos too for that matter.

I have to admit that when it works properly - gaming on it is amazing - been playing through Shadow of Mordor and HZD on a PS4 Pro and both really stand out well. The issues seem to be with live action, even on Netflix 4K content.

This video shows what I get when my Nvidia Shield screensaver comes on: https://streamable.com/mgnwn
I've also tried swapping the HDMI cables between the Shield and the PS4. The other issue is that even on 4K content the video appears smudged/blotchy (like large blocks of colour) rather than smooth. If had solutions to those problems then I'd probably keep it as the remote and software problems would hopefully get resolved with software updates

For now though I've got my sights set on the KS7000 and hopefully write an app to set the lights on my Hue bridge to match whatever's playing on the Shield

Indeed, I experienced none of the issues mentioned.

Only issue I've got is a bit of light bleed, although Argos have told me I can return it based on that if I want (live chat).

Could you not get a replacement, as some of the issues you describe are not being experienced by others. This wouldn't affect your rights to return the "new" tv if faults are present with that one too.

Update: I spent a lot of time on the phone with them today and finally got them to agree to take it back - was a lot of hassle having to go through customer service, tech support, Philips and then back down the chain again but ultimately they did say that I could take it back to the store and mention the call reference and get a full refund.

Really gonna miss the ambilight but there's just too many other issues for me to keep it just for that.

Thanks man. Downloading now. Hope there are instructions on how to load the new firmware within the zip file?

EDIT: Got it. Unzip the .upg and place it on the root of the USB stick. Insert to TV, TV picks it up automatically and takes care of the upgrade process itself.

Does anyone know how to put NowTV in this TV?

Mine found nothing at the first try. After I placed the indoor aerial elsewhere and now it is working.

Slightly annoying I keep getting a very subtle stutter on YouTube 4k playback. Got 39mbs download which should be more than enough.

The stutter comes and goes, even with the video fully loaded.

Don't really want to return the set as I've sold my old one off to my brother (was a bit hasty but he had the cash and was sell now or miss an easy sale).

Still haven't been able to find any channels - any last ideas? Anyone having similar problems? Would be shame to have to send it back.

Thanks for the comments above. I spoke to someone else who referred me to a tech support line, because "we cannot just refund without looking into it first". Line were already closed at 4 but will try tomorrow and see what happens.

A refund can be demanded due to the short time period since purchase.

+1
refund or a replacement surely

Surely can be returned as faulty? Under that rule if you opened it and it would not power up then they won't take it back as it's opened? Something like that would make me wind the wife up and get her on the phone to them then, woman scorned and all that lol.

Well, that's illegal. If the product is faulty on receipt you're entitled to your money back.

Sounds like they're treating your refund "request" as change of mind, rather than faulty. Have you made clear that it's faulty?

surely it has to be opened and "tested" to find these issues - I find it unfair that argos should refuse a return
I returned two separate sets - which were opened - one of them wasn't faulty (I returned 49" and kept 55")

How to set Kodi to pass trough DTS? It is working in the built in video player but in Kodi.

So I've had this TV for a week and decided that I want to give it back but Argos a refusing a refund saying that they can't accept an opened item. It has too many issues with it and I'd much rather spend the extra on the Samsung UE55KS7000. Even after updating to the latest version of the OS I still get these issues:

1) Very noticable colour banding
2) Random OS crashes
3) Remote becomes unresponsive
4) Stuck pixels
5) Washed out colours despite trying colour settings from AVForums
6) Get a green "static" screen when switching input and have to turn it off and on a few times for this to work again

Bit gutted that I bought it and according to Argos I'm now stuck with it despite having so many issues.

​I know. I just realized es file explorerer satarting sideways. But I set to force Landscape in HALauncher settings and after that it is starting normally. Just an idea.

​Couldn't seem to find it on the tvs playstore.

But I'll try side loading a copy. But with the built in chrome cast support, nowtv can be cast from a phone with no issue.

try to sideload other version of skygo from apkmirror, worth a try

for apps loading sideways, download Set Orientation app from playstore and set Landscape. Haven't tested but should work.

​usb or external hdd in NFTS format or fat32 (if it's a small usb drive). The TV reads those formats.

When plugges into the TV, if it asks to format the drive, just ignore that.

Use es file explorer app off the playstore.

Side loading is pretty simple.

I've tried a few side loaded apks ( fspe, snes, and side loaded roms onto a usb that's formatted to the tv and left in the tvs port).

Skygo doesn't work, but the Dutch version does (I accidentally downloaded the wrong apk). But didn't try changing the language.

Now tv apk loads sideways. :/

Thank you. All4 doesn't seem to be available to download. Do you know how I can get this app onto the TV? Is there an APK I can sideload somehow? If so which one should I use?

The Amazon 4K can't do anything this can't, but it should be a bitter snappier in operation having a faster processor.

Thanks for your help - still no channels coming up.

I've done a DVB-T scan, but it didn't find any channels. I've tried the aerial back in my old Samsung TV and it's working fine, but nothing coming through on the new TV.

try doing a scan for DVB-T

Plug the aerial in.

Just trying to set it up for the first time but can't find any channels when scanning. Any tips?

I just unpacked and wall mounted mine yesterday, having just completed erection of false chimney breast to hide wires etc.

Will set up properly over the coming days. Question: being as this is an android TV, does that make my Amazon Fire TV 4K box and my Apple TV 4 both pretty much redundant now?

installed kodi, works brilliant

It was the 500px app I meant I couldnt see on homepage. I had already sideloaded es file explorer and just wondered if there was a way to add sideloaded apps to be visible from the homepage.

...Kodi working fine btw :smirk:

​I'm using Kodi youbcan find in the built in Play store. If you mean doesn't show you need to turn on installation from unknown sources. You need to sideload es file explorer. Browse your app and install. It will trigger the option installationnfrom unknow sources. Those apps won't appear on your homescreen, you need to start them from the apps menu. There is a workaround afaik.

It is actually the first time I'm using KODI. Have no problems with it. Played Dr Strange from external drive FHD-DTS no probs. Regarding the density, everything was just so big with the default launcher. But at the and I just disabled it and using HALauncer instead. I just can't live without customisation. By the way, if you want to stick with the default launcher just want to hide recommendations and Philips apps, it is possible.

I will fire up a guide little bit later today under the forums and leave here a link. Will be much more better than in this thread.

not sure what some of these do tbh, but if it adds to the tv set-up then please add a guide
i got kodi, but sideloaded a 500px app which doesn't show and internet explorer seems a bit hit and miss

Yeah it'd be good. What was the picture density issue?
I installed Kodi (as you have on the pic) but found it to slow - I suppose I'm just spoilt by the Shield.

​I'll try your settings tonight.
Thanks!

I have managed to set installation from unknown sources, set picture density, disable leanback launcher, install halauncher. if anyone interested I can make a guide.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_bJ_UzlFaqYTWJCbkREZmlSRVE/view?usp=drivesdk

I agree so I changed my colour temp to normal but had to make some little adjustments to other settings then, here are the new ones with normal colour temp

Picture style ISF Day
Colour 55
Contrast 60
Sharpness 0
Brightness 52
Advanced -
Computer Off
Colour Temperature Normal
Contrast, Contrast mode Off
Dynamic Contrast Off
Video Contrast 85
Light Sensor Off
Gamma -1
Sharpness - Ultra Resolution Off
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG artefact reduction Off
Motion - Natural Motion Off
Picture Format Fit to Screen

​ahh thanks I'll check it out. absolutely great TV for the price I have to say.

Unfortunately it's an Android TV thing. Their thinking was, one TV one account.
It's not ideal (had found the limitation on first buy the Shield TV in 2015).
There is a gmail workaround that is known,

Google added the ability to add multiple accounts with the Android N update (7.0)

anyone able to add a second google account? I have another YouTube account for the kids but can't sign in without totally removing my account, seems utterly bonkers but I can't see q way around it. I have a now TV box which can sign in separate anyway, still very big oversight.

​Had a feeling was best to have it on either of those two.
Feel those settings guides posted above are for trying to get away from showing blue shades at night for keeping people awake.

Yes, change the colour temp to cool or normal for whiter whites is the easy way, I have it on normal temp for my XB1S for that reason

​With those settings my whites are more orange/yellow. I'm guessing it's because the warm setting, it's easier in the eyes but there's no crisp white.

Error

I'm using with my Sky+HD box as the source

Picture style ISF Day
Colour 55
Contrast 60
Sharpness 0
Brightness 50
Advanced -
Computer Off
Colour Temperature Warm
Contrast, Contrast mode Off
Dynamic Contrast Off
Video Contrast 88
Light Sensor Off
Gamma -1
Sharpness - Ultra Resolution Off
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG artefact reduction Off
Motion - Natural Motion Off
Picture Format Fit to Screen

I can't help on sound settings as I use a Yamaha Amp, I hope they help you.

​It is already discussed few times there is a review on avforums. You can find just above with like 5 post. I'm happy with those settings just set a little bit more brightness and sharpness to 2.

Can someone provide the TV settings you are personally using to get the best picture and sound out of this TV.

Thanks

It depends on what else you can get in the £540 price range.

If you are specifically looking for a 55 inch tv and all are in this price range then I would go for the Philips because the Ambilight is a fantastic feature.

If you can get another 55 inch tv for £50-£100 less eg a Hisense then I would go for the cheaper (note I have not searched for other tv prices so I don't know if you can buy the same size for less!).

This is bearing in mind I use my tv mainly for watching nursery rhymes on youtube via the now tv box, watching the news and the odd movie or tv show once a week. I can't tell the difference in picture quality between a "superior" tv which costs £800 or a £500 one.

Sound quality on most tvs these days isn't that great. I bought a Cambridge Audio A3 amplifier on ebay two months ago for £15 which significantly improves the sound and has made my tv setup awesome :smiley:

plenty on here will vouch that picture quality is good with a good input source
the deal has ended for net £450 using TV10 code, but TVS10 code seems to work if you want to pay £521 for it ?
I guess you could buy and return if you dont like it ? (£70+ the original deal though)

no, but i use the day setting mostly anyways

No


Ok, so it was my drive. The TV doesn't power it properly. After connected to a powered USB HUB and connected the HUB to the TV it is working like a charm. Cheers

Does the day and night settings automatically change? Mine doesn't seem to auto change

Guess your right but least I get to see it on display and see how thin or thick the TV is and get an idea of the picture quality even though as you said it needs messing about with to get a good picture

​yes thank you I just have tried with my 64Gig drive and it is working. maybe the tv can't power the external hdd properly, going toncheck with an usb hud and report back

mine arrived today have to say it's great Tv for 450 quid.

​My tv would read my usb and external drive with ntfs. At first my usb 64gb wouldn't format into fat32 but read online ntfs works.

But this is for media playback. Which I haven't yet tried, but I was able to explore the drive with that format.

My issue is formatting the drive to install apps for the TV.

chances are that even if it was on display somewhere, that with factory settings the colours are too strong - it needs tweaking to get a good picture

Does argos (if any) have this TV or the 49 inches on display in store. If yes, which store plz.

Expired?

No you need to use HDMI with ARC on this particular telly, I have mine hooked up this way and it automatically switches on and off the soundbar and controls the volume through the tv remote

I will try my flash drive but I don't think it will work. And it's only a 32GB drive and I don't want to buy another external drive.

Android TV only supports USB drives with FAT formats.
https://support.google.com/androidtv/answer/6299083?hl=en-GB

I've had no problem playing back large files. 39.2GB is the largest I've watched but it is early days.
NTFS formatted 1TB drive, as I say without issue. If you have another portable give that a go.

Cheers!

What's the best way to connect a bluetooth sound bar to the tv and 3 other devices? Optical lead from tv to sound bar? Can you then control the volume using tv remote? Thanks

It is a 32" fhd lcd, but I'm going to double check.
Just wondering if I connect my hdd to my router and access it via network. There is a video on YT ES file explorer can browse network drives. Will try tomorrow if I arrive home.

Odd. My old LG and other smart TVs couldn't handle NTFS. What brand was the TV that could?

Code still takes £59 off the price. is the tv still worth £539?

Is your phone a Samsung by any chance?

SNAP. Forgive me but your tone came across to me as quite dismissive and authoritatively condemning for someone who doesn't own the set - I've bought this set on the basis of being happy with the 43" one I bought 6 months ago so it's not about trying to save face by sticking up for it. By talking about the expensive TVs you own you came across as a bit of a technosnob but that could just be how I read it, so I apologise if this was not your intention.

​every? web os and others? how weird ny 8 y old "non smart" tv has no problem with my 2TB external drive formatted NTFS :confused:

​Hi,
I've tried exFAT and ext4 no joy. Interesting however my phone has no prob to read same drive via OTG.

Every smart TV is limited to FAT32 AFIK. Might be able to handle exFAT.

​That's what I thought. I had read into it a while back but having one of those days where I felt I had it mixed up with something else.

Nah I didn't come here to put anyone down. You put me down when you dismissed my opinion because I didn't own the set. Read your original reply back.

Also I never said anything about you being a fool lol, don't assume mate you're being well paranoid. I came to this thread because my mate bought this t.v and i told him to read this thread but he's such a lazy s.o.b he hasn't even bothered to read my post.




Incidentally with the fat32 issue android's like Exfat to get around the 4gb limitation. I used exfat micro-sd cards on my fire tablet this way.

Thanks but not exatly what I want. I bought it as a standalone device. If I want any other to stay ON why I need Smart TV?

Doesn't matter which port you use anything less than 4k is upscaled or it wouldn't fill the screen. In the case of 1080P 1 pixel is mapped to 4 on the screen.

Share your media on your network then stream it onto the TV

OK so I'm now a little bit disappointed, we have 4k smart TV and the maximum allowed file size is 5Gb because of FAT32? Now I know it's a limitation of Android TV but still, it's so lame. Isn't there any workaround?

​I believe all enhanced settings were off, but I'll have a proper check when I'm home.

Thinking of setting pc to hdmi 1 (4k 60hz), android tv box port 2 for same as above.

Sky box port 3
ps4 in Port 4 for 1080 60hz

If I plug a 1080p source in hdmi 1 or 2, does it force an upscale or could it cause issues?

​I'll be having a proper go tonight. Could be something in the settings I've missed.

I appreciate the help :smiley:

Any HDCP 2.2 devices need to be connected to HDMI 1 or 2.

I would recommend switching off all sharpness and motion enhancements. Also make sure your devices aren't set to RGB colour range.

I can have play around and confirm settings when I get home on Thursday evening if you've not got a solution by then.
Seems like you're having a bad time with the TV and have to admit that I've not really had the issues you've mentioned but can try and help if you're thinking of keeping it

For gaming I tried the Game mode and thought it looked nice, but with the AVForum options it looked even better. Bear in mind you need to set the settings for each input.

Flicker may be from motion settings - try disabling the motion fix setting (can't remember the exact name)

home screen
user screen*

​I'll have a proper try little later on.

It's not visible within the game. I think it's when it's on a dark blue/grey background I get a odd contrast change then the screen shows these small swirls.

But it's only showing on my android box hole screen which is dark grey. Ps4 use screen (dark blue) and on the steam store I noticed which is black/grey.

I may have something wrong in the settings or a low hz rate in the wrong port (1-2 is 60hz while 3 and 4 are 30hz 4k).

Just wanted to ask, if I turn on uhd sharpness is that the upscale from 1080p setting?

​
Is my issue. Fully reboot (power off from wall and back on) doesn't do anything. Annoyingly I'd like to set up my fpse and a few roms but the 2gb storage isn't really enough.

re the flicker, IIRC someone on here had this and it was their AV receiver causing it
try removing other connected inputs leaving just the ps4 to identify a possible source (unless ps4 is the prob ! )

No. However the night settings are really for when you are watching in the dark and without the Ambilight. If you have ambient light from lamps or the built in Ambilight you will probably find the day settings are fine for night viewing too.

​I had used tweaked settings. it loos alright, then I upgraded the firmware and it seems my issues are there.

I play on preset settings under game mode, I get an odd flicker every few seconds on things like steam, android box and ps4 dash board.

I use photo mode and it seems to clear it up slightly.

Youtube video stutter/slow downs weren't present before the firmware update and are now.

I'll reformat the TV again later. Would be the 2nd reformat I've done since owning it.

​I tried fat32 on my 64gb usb, the TV detects it then formats it.
I went into settings and checked usb settings and it says "to use usb storage for recording and apps the TV must first turn off to activate"

Can't get past that, tried with a 500gb 3.0 drive and the usb stick above.

These are what I have been using and they look good to me.

As I think somebody else asked is there any way to get the TV to switch between these modes automatically?

did you try out the avforums 6501 ISF Day & Night settings ?

I had some trouble getting USB to work. When I first plugged my HDD it didn't detect anything. Then I formatted it from the Storage menu but my laptop wouldn't read it.

The solution I found was to format from my laptop in FAT32 format. This then read on the TV with no issues.
By the way, this was using a 500GB portable hard drive without any power supply.

I'd encourage you to try tweaking the settings, I didn't like any of the presets for colour or motion. I don't use the built in apps but I don't get any of the other issues you mention when using my Shield TV and Xbox One S.

​I agree with what you're saying.

I got this tv Saturday. Was great when running native 4k content via the PC to it. But everything else seems to have issues.

Colors are washed out or way over the top.
A slight flicker occurs on the ps4 dash board, steam and my android box.

The built in youtube app is choppy during 4k playback.
Usb external storage doesn't work for me (unsure if it has to be external power drive).

I got carried away with the low price point, but I'm now seeing you get what you paid for. Still tempted to pack it up and return.

I'm defensive but I'm not ashamed of it. Why not be defensive when someone comes onto a thread for a TV they're clearly ​not in the slightest bit interested in, just so they can bleat on about the posh TVs they've owned and try and make people who have bought this feel small. Sure, I was being defensive because to say what you've said is indirectly calling me a fool for enjoying this TV.

Equivalent Hisense was the same price during the same promotion and even less with a bit of work.

​ok so you aren't a moron, that was a bit harsh :smile: . still think for 450 this is a pretty good deal. sure I'd love OLED but just can't justify the extra money at the minute anyway.

Ok fine I'll take my moron hat off for a mo.

Well, obvs, price also reflects stock level as you already alluded to. But also Argos can acquire much more stock than other retailers so they receive bulk discounts. So they can cut deeper..capiche? My point was this tv is llike not even a year old and you don't cut that fast or that deep that quickly unless....issues.

The other thing to consider are tv's in the price range and size that this tv originally occupied that have similar spec, why isn't the hisense getting cut into oblivion? Why is the hisense holding a higher price despite the fact this philips has LG dna?

This is what i meant about alarm bells. Might be a false alarm, might be argos clearing space. Point is, did you hear the alarm in the first place?


Also normally I'd be a sucker for this deal but since OLED, I cannot look at any other non-OLED tv's, HDR can only succeed on OLED and armed with that info, seeing this 4k HDR etc....alllarrrmm bellls

There's a good little app on the google play store called app starter, you can change the Netflix button to any app you want, I've changed it to kodi.

look, threads like this need moron's like me to keep it going. Clearly the kitchen comment was a joke. Why so serious? :smile:

​ps I'd ignore anything jokerevo has to say he is clearly a moron. this coming from the guy who said a 55 inch TV is suitable for a kitchen.

​This is to install more apps on the TV.

Anyone know how to get external storage to work?
Usb stick and usb 3.0 hdd aren't doing more than just formatting.

Can't seem to find much online. But thinking it has to be a usb drive that is powered by a wall plug, anyone able to confirm?

​I think you need to set manually just because if you did like in the guide of avf they turned off light sensor? :smirk:

By the way it has much better color after the tweaking, yeah it is just a guideline. Mine after set values looks great. It was horrible with XO and not it is much much better I need to say I like it. However with PC I need further tweaking because with sharpness set to 0 the cards on the poker tables look a little bit hazy.

It could be Philips wanting to generate some attention prior to the press launch for their 2017 range which was today. This TV is end of line so discounts are to be expected. The LG B6 has dropped a lot more of it's RRP than this TV.

Of course, the only problem with that logic is, it's £600 now, and that's only in Argos, it's even more expensive elsewhere. The £450 price was just a flash deal that Argos did. Maybe Argos overstocked this model. Or maybe it was a loss-leader.

Were every other retailer to be selling it at bargain basement prices, you might have a point. As they're not, I'm afraid you don't.

Christ we're a bit defensive aren't we? Well I'm an LGB6 and EC owner, I've also had a Kuro, a GT50 and a POS hitachi so I'm reasonably qualified to comment on this TV, having seen my mate buy it because it's 4k for £500 quid lol.

There's a reason this set hasn't held it's original RRP and dropped faster than pigeon poo in Trafalgar square. Anyone with half a brain would know that if the tv was such VFM, it would've held it's price and dropped no more than 10-15%. Suppliers want to maximise their profits you know?

So when you see a drop from an original launch rrp of 2k!?!?!?! to 500 inside of a year you know that this set has problems. You may not have those problems now but you are going to get them, hence the alarms.


Think about it, do you really think LG/Philips would undermine their entire range by selling this at this price? The supplier is the one cutting! Do you really think that other manufacturers wouldn't want to get a slice of the pie at this price if they could? You open as high as you can price wise and then aim to hold value. You noticed that right? That the best TV's hold their price for much longer than other sets? Isn't it weird how the other TV's get slashed by much bigger margins...weird. Totally weird man. No doubt the supplier is finding the price sweet spot now, hence the price rise.

The price is it is currently at is the equivalent of dead stock. They're offloading mate...

Thanks set mine up to the day and night look brilliant now. Does the day and night automatically change when it actually turns from day to night? I'm having to do mine manually

I own one so my point is valid and yours isn't. It's a great TV generally but even better for under £500. I'm chuffed to bits with it.

Maybe HUKD isn't for you then, unless you like alarm bells.

lol

Zero hours. Never bought it. When I see a spec like this at this price it sets off alarm bells lol.

"*Prices correct as displayed but are subject to change.
Please note item 5389805 has previously been on sale at £579.00"

No mention of it ever being on sale at £499. A little cheeky there argos...

​55 inch TV in the kitchen , OK bill gates

How long have you had yours?

The tv is alright as a garage or kitchen jobbie but no way should this set be a primary or even bedroom tv, especially if you watch hd content. Purely for gaming? You might get away with it.

​The TV doesn't have great blacks, their more grey. All reviews point out the color and black levels aren't amazing but the TV is a right bargain for cost.

I'm out off by the lack of color depth. Even tinkering it either looks over exposed in color or lacking life.

Gonna try for another day or two and see if I can get along with it. I do love the ambilight does well of smoothing out the screen in a dark room.

What have you set the backlight level (contrast) to? You can go higher with more ambient lighting but too high in a dark room will cause issues with perceived black levels.

anyone else got terrible blacks? Like the backlight is way to bright on a black screen. Not sure if mine is faulty :s

I have an S7 and couldnt mirror cast...bet samsung restrict to samsung tvs only! My old HTC M8 can no problem!

This one delivered pretty fast with Yodel. It was unopened I'm 100% sure. But should be an older batch because was on older firmware and it has 2 lines vibrating horizontally. I need to return. I was fool mounted on the wall befor try. :smirk:

I must admit if I seen the the yodel name mentioned as delivering my new toy I think my heart would stop lol I would make sure signed for "not inspected" with yodel or inspect it fully before signing?

TVs and Yodel are like oil and water. They simply don't mix.

yeah same for me, my 2nd is coming from a warehouse, looks like those ones have been delivered by Yodel :confused::(

try to update the software, mine came with the most recent btw (yes tried manual update no OTA)

Your parcel from Argos is on its way and is out for delivery today by 9PM. Track your parcel now at http://www.yodel.co.uk/tracking/84102876xxxxxxx

Yodel?? :confused:

Hi - can someone advise why I can't seem to see any icons on the apps? Also when I enter the apps it just shows a blank screen. I'm connected to the wired network and have tried it on wifi but no joy. The internet explorer also doesn't work for some reason. I have watched on demand though through Amazon tv so there is network there. Weird!

I had a small amount of backlight bleed at the bottom of my screen, and noticed if I got my fingernail between the bezel and screen that in some cases the bleed disappeared. So I then tried inserting a small tab of paper between the bezel and the screen. This alters the pressure and after experimenting with positioning, it has reduced it significantly.... and you cannot see the paper if you place it carefully.
Give it a go - it worked for me, and saved faffing with a return and potentially worse replacement.

​Standard cheap remote with 55" as well.

one more thing, do you guys have got the remote with the keyboard on the back with this? actually I have the 49" model and came with a normal remote but in few YT reviews it has the remote with the keyboard :disappointed:

It was the same price when this deal was activate (yesterday), as you rightly said "same price". So, in what way is your Hisense better?

Been playing with the TV all afternoon and very very happy with it. Followed the instructions here from avforums (in the video) to set up the colours - far more natural looking. I found the out of the box settings were far too bright and the colours garish. Just remember to set each input over to the new settings. Ambilight is great, I'll no doubt have to buy into the whole room stuff now...

Do you mind to share how to cast YT? I don't have the regular Cast button in YT app. For Gallery try swipe down and choose Quick Connect from the bottom left.[/quote]
I just rotate my phone to activate fullscreen and then tap the screen to see the cast icon, I select it and then a list shows up of devices I can cast to, I select this tv and you tube launches on the TV and then shows up, its not instant.
I tried what you said with gallery and it works, thank you, that also lists available devices to cast to, select smart TV and it works too.

Just realised the Philips remote now controls my amazon fire tv, how weird!

Having a nightmare getting this tv to accept a usb stick for extra storage. Reads it, formats and then go into settings to pick allow to install apps. Tv says it needs to turn off and on again to let the settings work but nothing.

Going back to clear write protection, and forcing my 64gb into fat32 and see if that'll work.

​Do you mind to share how to cast YT? I don't have the regular Cast button in YT app. For Gallery try swipe down and choose Quick Connect from the bottom left.

I just tried it with an S7 Edge and can only figure out how to cast you tube, gallery for example not working, will try with an Xperia Z5 later and see

just wandering, with my zte axon 7 I just simply can cast my screen to this TV but can't with an s7 edge. is it some limitation by samsung or what?

not same price now £100 less so ur choice

If you like motion blur, poor skin tones, banding on sport, especially football panning shots, HDMI-CEC issues between SkyQ and another 4k device, like XB1S, no Ambi-light, orange reds then its better, I returned the the m3300 due to these reasons, I won't compare the light bleed and clouding the Hisense had as it differes from panel to panel even with same manufacturer and model.

Same price, no ambilight. How is it better?

​Just curious what makes it better?

try this better tv same price http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hisense-55-inch-m3300-4k-uhd-smart-led-tv-449-10-with-code-tv10-argos-2625677

Wish I'd seen this yesterday!

Wish I'd seen this yesterday!

Yeah, that looks a lot better now

Thanks for the tip, I've changed it on the Switch settings.

Duly noted on the washed out comment, so I played with the colour and contrast a little. This photo, admittedly taken on my phone (where it looks better), hopefully shows a little improvement;

Cheers mate! I do have to agree with everything you've said but I'm now even more undecided whether to change or not!!! Like you I want a 4k so I might give it a go, because as you've already said the price is a bargain! Thanks again

Zelda looks washed out to me, but as you say, it's 450 quid

A little tip is to set the RGB Range to "Limited Range' when connecting to a TV (this applies to all consoles, not just the Switch)

Otherwise you will lose detail

Your TV is already a stonking set, I changed as moved home and the new living room is much brighter and I sit further away from the TV now, also SWMBO got me an XB1 S for Christmas so wanted to try it on a 4k TV, I've bought and returned a Hisense 55m3300 for banding, skin tone and motion issues, a 55ks7000 for back peeling off and motion issues and an LG 55UH770v for banding and back light bleed, all the TV's I've tried and looked at recently have been plasticky to keep the weight low.
My son has an LG 49UH650V and I find the pic awful for anything that moves
I had resigned myself to sticking with my plasma until OLED became more of a reasonable price
I was expecting to be packing this up this morning, but for the price I'm keeping it.....never thought I would say it but I don't miss my GT30 at all, I can't say this is a "better" TV but I'm happy with my change and don't regret it.

Yes - found the problem, the socket was trapped over its own cable and was a couple of mm off plugged in - I had to pull out my whole av cabinet to see it, as from the top it looked plugged in! :confused: All running now! :sunglasses:

Thanks for posting OP.

Went out and bought one of these last night, my third 4K TV in the space of a few months, both the Samsung KS7000 and Sony KD55XD8599BU let me down (Sony bad light bleed, Samsung refused to turn on, both were bought when on offer and when returned, were out of stock).

Big time Sony fan and interested in Samsung products but decided to hold fire to see what else was about, saw this deal and figured I'd take a punt at £450.

I'm amazed, other than the light bleed issue on the Sony, the picture seems on par. Please note that I am not a professional nor do I claim to be, but to my eyes (and I'm fussy) I really can't see any difference.

There's a touch of light bleed round the edges but I've managed to massage those out with tweeking the settings to a point they're barely visible. I've resided myself to the fact that I'd have to change the TV numerous times to get one without light bleed. With modern TV's, it's an ailment we've got to live with (unless you're spending mega money).

Having said that, a little light bleed with a £450 TV is acceptable. Not with TV's reaching circa £1,000.

Just need to wait for a decent PS4 Pro deal to rear it's head...

Oh, and the ambient lighting...Not a gimmick.

I have the Panny 50GT30 at the moment and I'm not sure if it's worth upgrading. I've tried an LG 6 series but wasn't convinced by the build quality and image in comparison. Would you really advise this as better-regardless of pricing? I mean in build quality, image, remote response etc. I've always been buying plasma's in the past. Thanks

Did you see the extra sheet in the box regarding the power switch on the back of the TV?

Update seems it was my audio receiver making the picture flicker..not the tv

I can't get my 55"er to power on - and I've mounted it on the wall. What a ballache!

I think this expired yesterday. So to summarise:

Most people who bought this seem happy - including myself

Some people who didn't buy this think it would have made more sense for us to spend an extra £1200 on an OLED one for future proofing.

Good deal, OP.

It's all about wants really. I have a 43" in my bedroom and it's perfect for that. I wanted something a bit more cinematic for the living room so I went for 55". It's a bit big and vulgar as it is but I've bought a more appropriate stand for it (my last TV was sat on an oak blanket box) so that should make it look better. Whichever you went with, I think these TVs are excellent value for money.

well its always 60, ive got all setting on allow 50/24 hdr etc..tried a different hdmi mode but it made the flicker worse

What's the refresh rate set to on the XBOX?

Im having screen flicker through my xbox one s with this tv, only through 4k.....tried a different hdmi lead, any ideas?

expired now I think

Maybe but kinda even more glad i got 49"

1. I sit close as my room is small

2. Its fits perfectly in the area, bigger might cause trouble

At first was slightly hit and miss with the TV.

Pc on native 4k looks amazing. Only tried dying light and fallout 4 (fallout looked like trash without the 4k pack).

Ps4 standaed was a slight hit or miss. No mans sky looked odd, text was difficult to read, colors were off.
Dying light ps4 was alright but the area I was in was washed out and no match to the PC version.
Diablo 3 looked great and the ambilight was nice, didn't play much to really test it.

The division looked nice, sharp looking details, colors a little faded but division never really had great color. Ambilight reaction was great, running on the highway bridges and each pillar would block the led lights as it reacted with the sunlight.

Had to turn off a lot of settings to make it look good enough (sharpness 0, enhanced this and that off).

Then I tried the android OS, Google playstore found hearthstone installed. Couldn't work out how to load it.

Figured it out after, go to settings installed apps and run.

Got my razer naga wireless mouse plugged in wired mode worked instantly. Then tried it on the receiver and it picked it up right away.

Been playing hearthstone for past hour in bed on the TV.

Currently trying to update the TV but it's just sitting there searching. Even though it's warned me a new update was needed.

Great tv atm, still gonna see how I get along with some standard sd tv on it, if it's alright I'll consider keeping it.

​Mine works hdr straight away. Have you updated your tv? Could be an earlier batch and not had a previous update to enable hdr.

Mines not on latest firmware but has hdr working (didn't really notice a huge difference).

I think it's gone up to £599 now when you try to order that's the price that comes up.

Just tried to switch on hdr on ps4(not pro) and said tv does not support hdr. Could it be my hdmi cable or just ps4

I got this today and used the AVForums settings for the 6501 as a starting point, turned off all processing I could find, since then I have watched last weeks Top Gear, some Grand Tour, played Titanfall2 and COD on the xbox one s, also played some 4k you tube videos and watched MOTD on BBC1 HD via SkyHD box and can say for the money I'm well impressed and I replaced a Panny 50GT30 plasma with this so was quite worried about motion and gaming lag but so far I'm very happy and feel like its a bit of a bargain.
I don't find the interface laggy or slow, screen uniformity is good too with no noticeable bleed, clouding or banding (annoying on sport).....I hope this helps someone as these where the concerns I had but due to Argos being so good with returns I took the gamble and I'm glad I did.

brilliant set for the money, it also has freesat too which was an unexpected surprise, if you feed a satellite cable to it there's a brilliant ultra HD test channel if you key in channel 998.

I noticed a bit of judder with 4k youtube but put it down to the streaming. If you turn on natural motion (medium) seems to cure it.

Download the android tv app and you can use voice search.. the included remote doesn't seem to support it.

No it doesnt have voice recognition. Took me a while to realise i had to push the right arrow on controller in order to bring the keyboard up lol

However i recommend you install the Android TV app on your mobile (not the official Android one as its naff) and then you can use your phone to type or do the voice stuff.

LG make Philips panels.

I bought the 49 version last week for £380 and very impressed. Love the ambilight but more importantly the picture is fantastic once you tweak the settings.

let you know monday when mine arrives but I believe should work on both side

Extra inches isn't to be sniffed at she once said....

just pick up this tv today and so far so good. One thing I need to ask other owners is when you search something say in youtube the voice search kicks In,does this tv have this feature.

I used these from avforums on the tube for 6501 model linky thing

Can you share the settings please

code 1895 worked for my sky remote -- think it only does volume though

​Please could you tell me if this works with the sky remote thank you.

I copied the day and night mode settings from AV Forums. Picture is great - will do it with the 43" one I have upstairs when I get chance.

Mine is now delivered, I've set it up to a reasonable level, will try better tomorrow and search the web for best settings.

I have to say I'm hugely impressed, even now, a real bargain if it lasts.

​code! not cow

​yes you have to pay now to use cow. FYI delivery and was free for me on my order erlier :wink:

approx 81-83cm

Says online. 83cm I think.

Does anyone know the distance between the feet? Thanks.

Went for the 49inch, just turned up and seems like only one side of the ambilight works. Anybody have similar experience? Going to be annoying to return!

When do you enter the code ? Do you have to pick the pay now option ?

​totally agree with the ks7000, but with the 2017 Q7 out soon do you get that or get the ks7000 at a reduced price once the Q range hits the shelves.

It has the 2 sided ambilight. First tv I have owned with this feature. Even the wife said she liked it!

Haha

Wait, this is ambilight! Where's my credit card...

Just fit in the boot of mk7 golf with the front seats against the steering wheel. Fun drive home!

If this were ambilight I'd be all over it.

Yes, really struggled to get this in my saloon, was too wide even for the back seats. Ended up breaking a side of the box to squash it in. If you don't have a big car, then it's probably better to get it delivered or call a 7-seater taxi if you insist on collection.

​good stuff I did the same a couple of years ago on a treadmill kudos indeed!

ordered free delivery BTW I doubt this would fit in my car boot.

it's a big box ! - just measured:
142 wide x 84 high x 16 deep

Argos have gotten a lot better over the past couple of years. I didn't used to like them as a company but they are really good these days - I've had issues with one or two purchases and they've always sorted it out quickly. They're really easy to contact too.

any bother fitting this in the car boot?

I bought this TV last week at the £520 discounted price. Just seen this and contacted Argos, who refunded me £80 without any questions asked. Kudos to Argos. Made my day.

It would be nice if you could offer an article or report that backs up this claim and not just say it's old news. If they have managed to make an *organic* substance last longer then why are they still using PenTile arrangements and other variations rather than RBG stripes? Surely if this was old news then they would go with the effectively higher resolution subpixel layout.

If you have information that proves that they have overcome this obstacle then I would be really keen to read it as you're obviously more clued up than me and I don't mind being proven wrong - it's one of the things that puts me off OLED, and still does to this day with phones.

Cheers

Man where did you get that information from Thad years and years old and indefinitely incorrect.

This.

HDR modes and settings only appear with a HDR signal.

Anyone know about HDR on this? Should the setting be in the menu or does it only appear when you use an HDR source? I've got the latest software update but I'm not seeing HDR in any of the settings menus. I've also never seen it in the Philips I have upstairs.

hi i received mine this morning - when switched on the black panel was immediately noticably very hazy. And the software update has been stuck on 'checking for updates' for over 30 minutes.

Not sure if both of these issues are faults or whether other owners have similar experience?

Thanks in advance

My thoughts exactly and having spent all morning playing with the settings, updating software etc can confirm pic is outstanding as is performance of Android TV. Only slight con for me is some very slight motion judder when watching 4k stuff on YouTube. Might have to reactivate my Netflix to try some hdr stuff.

A load of TV for the price, very pleased Cheers op.

I'm just about to press go on this, a good idea or will I be disappointed?

Replacing a 42" Panasonic 3d (never use it) plasma which is being relegated to the caravan.

EDIT: Sod it, it's now purchased for delivery this afternoon.

​ahh thanks

You have to choose the Pay Online option and you'll be asked for a discount code. I don't think you can add it if you want to pay in-store

how do you add the code?

Can anyone who has bought comment on the special offer, does it mean they will do the "TV setup" for free or is it discounted...

"Get your TV installed by visiting click here This link can also be sent via email"

The costs are ridiculously high but wonder if they offer a reduced price TV mounting service,

After trying, and returning the Hisense 50M3300 (awful contrast/brightness problems) and the LG49UH610V (awful motion blur) I took the plunge and got this. Looks great with the ambilight, the picture is very good, even on SD. The ARC problem is still there, even after software update and is frustrating. But, for £450 I think it is an absolute steal.

I updated mine immediately and it hasn't bricked the TV.

By the time you'd saved all the money needed from your weekly pocket money OLED will be 'old tech' and your weekly saving goes on. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and buy now.

Thanks, looks like a lot of TV for the money.

Decided to opt for this than the LG C6 that I was going to pick up during the week for £1800. 4k and the Ambilight and also seems like the updates fixes the performance issues and it's only the fraction of the price. Might not be the latest or greatest but makes sense for me to pay a third of the price for something that's at least fit for purpose, and then pick up an OLED in 3 years time when they don't leave such a big dent in the pocket.

Oh, and £4.53 TCB which covers the delivery charge.

I've had this TV since before Christmas, works fine. Once you change settings you can get decent results. I used the picture setup program from a Pixar bluray to change settings.

They missed my same day delivery yesterday, had some problem with the stock. I was really upset needed to wait 4 hours for nothing. I've got a new order number, Monday delivery plus a £25 voucher. :laughing:

after reading the Philips support forums, i think I'll give this a miss. The latest update basically seems to brick the TV

Wall mount it on a light coloured wall and really make the most of the Ambilight!

6 inches on a TV is actually an awful lot. I've just upgraded my 49" to this 55" and it's so massive it's almost vulgar. Having to think of alternative stands for it

This was indeed true, but the recent firmware update has cured any slowness with the guide, it appears in about two seconds when you press it the first time following boot up now and is instant after that. The scrolling through the guide is also instantaneous to scroll.
The same is also true now for flipping between the apps like Google play store and back to TV. Its overall much more responsive.
I do have two complaints about the TV, one is Youtube app (so may be improved by an update - but not a deal breaker) as even on 1080p streams there is still some stuttering of video playback but not of the navigation.
Just above the point the stands join the screen there are two "pressure" type whiter spots of backlighting which I have never managed to really get rid of completely, they where much improved when I put the on an alternative stand though they still remain visible on dark scenes

Connected my N64 up using SCART the other day to my HDR Panasonic. Works well. Thanks SCART.

I bought this 55 inch version last November and I love the ambilight!

Was not just me that thought old Sergio Leoni was spouting **** then ?

Just bought the 49"

Thats also on sale for 363 with code with same day delivery, me personally dont think its worth the extra £100 for 6 inch

as above mate just replying so you get notification.,

Talking of OLED as 'future proofing' is potentially flawed anyway, since the organic subpixels in OLED TVs deteriorate significantly faster than the LED lamps in these TVs. So in six years' time - assuming the rest of the hardware still works - an LED TV will have lost very little brightness where an OLED panel will be discernibly dimmer. Not to mention the likelihood of patchy 'ghost' artefacts from the more accelerated blue subpixel deterioration in OLED panels. There is no way to make them last longer as they are organic compounds, so manufacturers try to lessen the effect by having the display move imperceptibly. Over time you'll still get a build up of patchy screen ghosting either way.
OLED panels look great, but they are astronomically more expensive and certainly don't count as 'future proofing' in my book, for the reasons outlined - on top of the fact that prices will plummet a lot faster than LEDs at some point. It still makes sense to buy a TV like this. [/quote]


Your information is out of date buddy..... OLEDs have 100,000 hours lifespan.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1465304750

100,000 / (8*365) = 34.24 years at 8 hours every single day....

yes you can watch the grand tour in 4k on the Amazon tv app within tv

I know because I have the 55 "

for the price you won't regret and ambilight seriously enhances the picture. go for it!!

I am not good at tv things, May i know which one is better ? this one or (Sony KD-55X8005C)

Peak brightness is a silly comparison here, because most HDR content is mastered in much higher nits than most TV's can currently offer, so tone mapping comes into play. Whilst the likes of the budget Samsung KS7000 advertise a peak brightness slightly higher than the LG OLED range most of this is irrelevent to HDR because APL is favoured on these panels over these HDR 'highlights' you speak of, furthermore a good picture isn't just about peak brightness, black levels and shadow details are also important and LCD largely falls over in this area

Peak brightness may be more of a selling point in 5 years time when entry level TV's reach 5-10k nits, at the minute a few hundred nits makes minimal difference with proper tone mapping.

I would certainly hope so, the 7601 is 5x the price of the 6401 which itself isn't 5x the price of 6101.

​Probably gold as well :smile:

Have the 43", paid pennies under £342.00 great TV, the ambilight is spot on, all the updates to Android in the last 4 months means no delay as mentioned before. 55" at this price is a steal!

Yep, just been watching it, looks great!

Thanks for the link, I've decided to try the tv out. With the argos 30 day no worry returns. It's not a loss if I don't get along with it. =]

And how can it have meaningful HDR support when it has identical brightness and colour to the 6101?

If you have a 6101, 6401 and 7601 in a line playing HDR content then the one that immediately jumped out as different would be the 7601, not the 6101.


Not so much better as having HDR to begin with. And sure, they have their limitations, it's an emerging technology so it's not going to be perfectly polished yet.

I'm not saying that everyone buying a TV right now should spend a grand or more. This is a good TV for many uses.

I'm saying that if you're buying a TV primarily for HDR then you're completely wasting your money with a TV of this cost right now. Wait for prices to drop over the next few years or spend more.

Love it when people say to just save up and buy a better TV,but what about if your currant TV is broken and all you have is £450 ?

people on this site always presume that everyone is just looking to upgrade a fully working TV.

Just bought and picked up this deal got it home unpacked it tried to plug the power cord in and it did not fit WTF wrong power cord provided . Well done Philips back to Argos in the morning grrrrr

For the price sounds amazing to me. Have some heat

Shame the 43" isn't on special...

Just been watching some of the Grand Tour in UHD. Picture on this TV looks amazing! Very pleased for the price, thanks again OP.

No offence but this comment makes you sound like a bit of a snob. Are you saying people don't appreciate gaming or HD movies if they buy this? Just enjoy your tv, live and let live etc. Personally AMOLED on phones gives me a headache - not to mention I wouldn't spend 1k on a TV even if it made my dinner for me. I have used the 43" version of this for a few months and took delivery of the 55" one this evening. I really enjoy the picture quality and find the Ambilight feature contributes to the experience of watching a movie. I see no fault with this. If you want to buy an OLED tv or that's your area of interest then this isn't the thread for you.

You get what you pay for. I've gone from hitachi lcd to panny plasma kuro and stayed on plasma until the insane LG oleds appeared. OLED is so good the extra money is justified if you genuinely appreciate gaming or hd movies or tv. You can see the difference on screen. I remember walking past a currys with an Lg in the window and thinking..how is it so black? Is it even on?

I would buy the listed tv and use it in my kitchen..

Excellent thanks!

I've had cheap LCD LED TV's too, all gone 5 yrs plus, my mate gone big brand... all broke in under 3 :smiley: ... got the Philips 43" version of this, quite pleased with it, let's see if it can match the rest?

The 6501 settings on AVForums are a good starting point.

Just picked this up cheers OP. Was going to go for the Ks7000 but think I will stick with this if it is ok and wait for OLED to fall in price in a few years. It's quite garish out of the box anybody who owns one of these got any recommended settings? Cheers.

Just checked on my 55 and 5.1 works from Netflix but not Amazon which is the same as my old LG.

​How is the lag? I'd be running off a 980ti

Just ordered. Thanks OP

Shame this doesn't have 3D. I'd be all over it. I know I'm the only one lol

Good deal though

I have played 4k PC games via my 43 in of this TV which has a GTX970 and a i7, and apart from having to drop a few settings like AA and AF, i have been blown away by game sin 4k, a special mention to Alien Isolation, simply breathtaking in 4k, but lag in the controls whatsoever, but you do need to make sure your HDMI cable is ceritifed 4k.

What is argos returns like? I rarely buy from them.

Been wanting to go upto 4k but would prefer to test it knowing I can step back if I think it's not worth it

It does but not currently with HDR. I watch using my Shield.

no mention of input lag anywhere!!!

Anyone know if it has Amazon app for grand tour?

Fantastic deal mate

Just tried to buy this in store and they said the TV10 code is invalid. So I ordered it off the website, in store using code TV10. Bonkers

If you give the TV a good input, it seems to give a decent picture.
So by SD if you mean the tv antenna (and not an HD channnel) then it is as good/as bad as any other TV. Tv's own HD antenna channels are acceptable. Sky HD looks good to me (sports handling included) and xbox (incl. HDR content) looks good and lag isn't apparent in game mode.
4K content (downloads found on Vimeo) on a usb stick is super detailed as expected.
Hope this helps :smiley:

also helps if you use settings from avforums for the 6501 - they seem to work well .....IMO of course.

How does SD picture look on this?

anyone know if this would pass 5.1 to sonos through HDMI ? probably the 49 inch version

​I've just bought this 55" model. Been using a 43" one upstairs for half a year now and I'm really happy with it. The software isn't the fastest but I don't mind that so much as I use it mainly with plugged-in media sources, and it's handy having Android OS on it as it gives the option of things like Kodi, Nest etc - even if they aren't as fast as on a phone.

I'm chuffed to bits with the picture but obviously I'm not an expert - I just like what I see. The Ambilight feature is truly immersive and I'm looking forward to watching Planet Earth in 4K on it once it arrives.

According to the press event report I saw this TV was always intended to support HDR10, prehaps it just didn't ship with the required software as it wasn't ready for the release date (and probably wasn't considered a priority on a bottom end TV). Here is a one of the slides from the 2016 TV event:



I do agree there are better HDR TV's available but these are 2-3+ times the price and still have issues. I couldn't justify that kind of outlay and still have to accept compromises.

pulled the trigger and bought a 49", hope will be enough and I won't be disappointed about Philips
heat though

I bought the 49" last week and have just ordered this 55" to compare the two - I guess the 49" will be returned.
Not a Samsung KSXXXX I know, but at half the money, it's a great telly (IMO) and gives HDR on my xbox one S...after I updated the firmware.

They actually sell 65pus6401 abroad. Argos should bring that over here. I like ambilight but want bigger screen

The big differences in HDR support are colour gamut, brightness and local dimming ability. Maybe brightness mapping too. The difference between 8 bit with dithering and 10-bit is tiny and not bothering with.


All a software update can add is the ability to understand HDR content, to reproduce it accurately requires extra hardware.


Plenty of people don't fix what isn't broken. There's no point in swapping out a functioning DVD player for a blu-ray player if all you play is DVDs.


I believe LG Display's OLED panels use only white OLEDs with colour filters in front of them, so that particular problem wouldn't be a concern on an OLED TV.

I have the 43in version of this, simply cracking TV, been very happy with it, 4k on it look just amazsing, xbox one slim games upscaled to 4k look amazing, HDR games look...well you get the picture..HA

Bought one of these but had to return it as it was so SLOW. The user interface was very very slow to respond to the remote. For example; pressing the 'Guide' button would take up to 5 seconds to start opening, the just pressing up/down to scroll through the guide would be very slow and irritating. When pressing up/down to scroll, there would be a delay for a couple seconds, so you'd press it again a couple times and it wouldn't respond for another few seconds, then all of a sudden it would scroll though the guide onto the next page really quickly responding to all the previous button presses. That is just the guide as an example, don't even bother with the smart apps like Netflix.

The picture quality was very good in both HD and 4K, didn't use the HDR feature, bright and colourful with plenty of settings so you can tweak it and get it right. Inputs are sufficient and plentiful for the average household. The design is lovely, slim with a tiny silver bezel around the edge, feet are small but sturdy and solid.

The interface is messy and non uniform, things aren't where you'd expect them to be, these aren't nice on my slight OCD, so another reason it had to go back. It seems to run the Android OS through the processor, plus the Philips interface runs though the same processor thus the entire lot becomes laggy. It has to switch between Android, the TV, and the Guide like it has simultaneous OS's running at the same time, or opens them like they're both apps.

Had an older Philips TV just as the Smart features became popular but it wasn't an Android Quad core machine, it was a standard boring Philips built interface, and I've got to say that was terrible also. It was even slower and laggier, harder to use and very messy, which made me loose my faith with Philips. Decided to give them a try with a brand new model, but that's it for me with Philips. Their TV quality has been bad from the beginning and it's not getting better, so I've gone to LG and I'm impressed. I have the Philips Hue 2.0 lightbulb kit which I am again impressed with, so maybe Philips just can't figure out how to make a good TV interface which lets it down for me.

Yeah good point Bully, I had to use a different TV stand for mine as it didn't fit on my old one.

My Son has the 49 inch version, can confirm it has HDR, displays logo when connected to PS4 pro.Excellent set, only small gripe is the stand, seems to be the fashion last while for this type of stand, so careful measurement needed as legs cannot be adjusted.

​fine, do that. I wouldn't spend money on an OLED as it stands, and how much future proofing can you ever get from a TV? Buy this now for 3 years, sell for £100, buy a 55" OLED in three years for £460. Much more sensible in my opinion.

Talking of OLED as 'future proofing' is potentially flawed anyway, since the organic subpixels in OLED TVs deteriorate significantly faster than the LED lamps in these TVs. So in six years' time - assuming the rest of the hardware still works - an LED TV will have lost very little brightness where an OLED panel will be discernibly dimmer. Not to mention the likelihood of patchy 'ghost' artefacts from the more accelerated blue subpixel deterioration in OLED panels. There is no way to make them last longer as they are organic compounds, so manufacturers try to lessen the effect by having the display move imperceptibly. Over time you'll still get a build up of patchy screen ghosting either way.


OLED panels look great, but they are astronomically more expensive and certainly don't count as 'future proofing' in my book, for the reasons outlined - on top of the fact that prices will plummet a lot faster than LEDs at some point. It still makes sense to buy a TV like this.

If it's the android one it Runs Kodi well.. that's a bonus

True, but I would save that £450 and save money weekly and save for a much better tv that will last a lot longer and future proof yourself a little longer.

Good luck buying a 55" OLED for £450.

I own the 55PUS6401 and I can confirm my Xbox One S recognises the TV as HDR 10 and my NVIDIA Shield TV shows it supports 10-bit and 12-bit Rec.2020. The TV changes to HDR mode when it receives a HDR input. It's not a huge difference to SDR due to being only 350nits, however there is a difference. I've not had it long so only tried an episode of The Grand Tour and the first few minutes of Hacksaw Ridge in 4K HDR but both look very good. 1080P material also looks good.

Having previously owned Plasma I don't think any LCD TV's are good enough so I've bought this cheap TV to put me on until OLED is more developed and affordable.

The Ambilight on this TV is a nice feature and does help with perceived black levels when used in either colour changing mode or just as a D65 bias light.

I've not seen any reviews saying the picture is dire but I would be interested to read them.

I've seen conflicting information regarding whether the panel is 10 bit or not as information I found from a Philips press event states that it is.

I also haven't noticed any issues with lag using the TV interface and have read a review of the 6501 which uses the same quad core processor commenting on how nippy it is. According to the Philips support forums an update to android 6 is also imminent.

I have th 49inch version of this TV which i bought in the black Friday deals and i am well impressed for the money i paid. If you want a decent Android TV with HDR and 4k without spending a fortune, go for it. People comparing the picture to an OLED saying that theyre better.. Yeah no **** Sherlock! Find an OLED for the same price then come back. Idiots.

Really? You sir/madam are ridiculous.

I have a LG B6 and it **** on anything I've seen picture quality wise OLED is the way forward and it's actually true 10 bit HDR not all these fake 8 bits HDR panels that are around plus you can't beat the pixel responsiveness of oleds and the blacks.

Yeah too many cliches for me. Not a SCART connection in the house, all HDMI. VHS went to the dump years ago.

WHY would anyone want a 4K TV with a SCART connection. Beggars belief IMHO.

MOST people would want a Blu-Ray player that supports 4K through HDMI.

​don't care about picture reviews - bunch of nerds waving willies. bought the 49" version myself on a whim about six months back and the picture is fantastic to my eyes. Maybe I should chuck it in the bin though, since the reviews are so dire...

Going to order this for downstairs.

This review on the 6401 series suggests the TV is HDR following a recent firmware update

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/tvs-entertainment/tvs/1404730/philips-6400-series-43pus640112-review/page/0/1

You're mental.

I bet all them supposedly 4K tellys have analogue tuners in them too. What a cliche.

Picture reviews are dire on this set plus has a laggy interface not the best set,The HDR is misleading as it can accept a HDR signal.but cant process it but for a cheap 55 inch some people will ignore that as you wont get that feature unless ur willing to shell out a lot more

TAT.

​perhaps your special k? :laughing:

The 49" for £360 is mighty tempting as well

great deal

Philips TV's been good to me 10 years, still going strong

whereas have a panasonics, board gone, then the switch, all within 3 years

Listing has been updated, it wasn't that price earlier :wink:

Are you for real SCART is dead, its not even HD let alone 4K. Why have a 4K TV with a non HD SCART Socket. Makes the supposed 4K TV a bit of a cliche with a non HD old fashioned SCART.

Surely everyones SCART connected VHS has died by now.....

Good editing! :stuck_out_tongue:

already posted http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/philips-55pus6401-55-inch-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-hdr-449-10-with-code-tv10-argos-2625641

does the TV10 code work in store?

So a 10 bit HDR is what I am looking for then? I do a bit of gaming but I could buy this tv and a ps4 pro and have change rather than a KS7000 lol. Think I might hold out...

No. TP Vision, who run the Philips TV brand, are a display company. They also make AOC monitors.


Plenty of people still have DVD players or older consoles that get used on a regular basis and don't have an HDMI output.


This isn't an HDR TV, it's support is limited to the ability to read HDR content and adjust the whole screen brightness based on that. There's no local dimming or wider colour gamut.

The KS7000 is the minimum you want if you're buying for HDR, and it's seriously worth considering spending another £500 on something like a DX902.

OLEDs don't tend to do that well in side by side HDR comparisons because they can't do those bright highlights, and there's the colour desaturation at high brightness caused by the white subpixels in LG's OLED panels.

Seen that, its at the price point of £750 though so i'd say they would review it very differently at £450

Does anyone know how much RAM is in this set? Have tried to Google for the information but no luck. It's mainly so I have an idea of how well it'd perform in terms of apps etc. Thanks!

The 49" version is also on sale @£360 using TV10

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5288906

Review here : http://www.trustedreviews.com/philips-55pus6401-review

3.5/5

this or the lil smaller LG 49UH650V 49 Inch Web OS SMART 4K Ultra HD TV with HDR? need it for xbox one gaming and watch moovies nothing hardcore or special


http://www.argos.co.uk/product/5239931?cmpid=COJUN&utm_campaign=10830324&cjsurferid=878303784013897625%3A01KESRfQB6Qi&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=Pepper+Deals+LTD&utm_source=CJ&catalogId=10001&storeId=10151&_%24ja=tsid%3A11674%7Cprd%3A1546795&utm_term=1453124&referredURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.argos.co.uk%2Fproduct%2F5239931&referrer=COJUN

get it delivered with argos, think sameday delivery is around £3, then you can send it back if you don't like it.

Closest i've been to upgrading our tv with this deal. Am I better putting the extra money in and getting the Samsung KS7000 for HDR or waiting for an OLED? AAAHHH so many different tvs with different specs!

Can't recommend this TV enough. Have the 49" version when that was on sale 6 months back. The ambilight may sound like a gimmick, but it's really immersive. Added bonus it'll sync with any Hue lights you have in your home.

Whats with the SCART socket, most people won't know what a SCART socket is let alone ever need one.

COLD from me for having a SCART socket.

Perhaps its a special 4K SCART socket?

Will this be a Vestel TV?