Seems a good couple hundred pounds cheaper than elsewhere. Yes it's been this price before and had cashback offers before that generally bring it to around this price.
I'd been waiting a couple weeks after holding off a very similar spec Dell T20 Xeon 1225 that's usually around £300. This Lenovo one is supposedly much quieter and usually priced from £450+.
Planning to turn mine into an unRAID server that'll do a few jobs, most importantly for me run a big Plex server. I'll be adding an extra 4GB ECC ram to bring the total to 8GB, not sure if this is necessary for my needs but was only £35.
Intel Xeon E3-1226v3 3.3Ghz Quad Core
4GB 1600Mhz DDR3 SDRAM ECC - in one slot, 4 slots max 32GB
Built in VGA / 2x Displayport to connect monitor without adding GPU - the Xeon chip has some form of built in graphics which should be more than enough for most
1 PCIe 3.0 16x - 1 PCIe 2.0 16x - 1 PCIe 2.0 x1 - 1 PCI
Gigabit LAN
Audio line in, line out, microphone
UPDATE:
Had mine delivered. Some pics of internals in comments. Confirmed it ships with the 450W 80+ Platinum PSU. Also has 3 internal full size hard drive slots, plus both of the 2 5.25" front optical bays have caddies inside for hard drives bringing the total to 5.
It uses a slim, laptop DVD drive so that there is also room for a hard drive in the top 5.25" slot.
Top comments
Noclouds
31 Mar 176#5
Very happy with mine, tldr details below, hopefully someone finds it helpful.
Mine is the same model but with the slightly older E3-1225v3 CPU. Along with running Windows 10 on it, I have a flaky iMac and so made a backup image of the iMac's MacOS boot drive to an SSD, put that in the TS140 and run the Lenovo as a dual boot machine to a Dell monitor, though at the moment I mainly use the TS140 with Windows 10. It's reassuring that when the iMac dies, I have the backup reassurance that my workflow will only be slightly inconvenienced (it's the 27" 2010 iMac with the screen issues). The TS140's 4 core Xeon CPU is the equivalent of an i5 4570 or i5 4590 but with a larger cache. The integrated graphics is a variant of the Intel HD 4600 (I had to modify my bootloaders config.plist to get this 'P' variant it to work in the MacOS but it works well and Windows recognised it without issue).
Mine came with a 450W platinum power supply (there are two versions of this model, one lower power bronze-rated PSU) with one six pin PCI power plug for a graphics card. eBuyer specify the model is the 70A50022UK, which I think, though don't quote me on this, is the 450W pus model but it could be that the version eBuyer are currently seeking is the version with the 280W 80 PLUS Bronze PSU, so, depending on your usage, you might want to confirm with a phone call to eBuyer. At some point, for my 450W PSU model, I want to get a SATA power to PCI power converter adapter, so I can put my MSI GTX 670 in it, which takes two six pin pci power plugs. If that's not stable, I will replace the power supply but note that the supplied PSU and motherboard uses a proprietary socket, or at least it has a different number of pins, so you will need an adapter if buying a regular desktop PC power supply.
Build quality is great, or at least the time of purchase, I was surprised and delighted, very solid (reassuringly heavy and correspondingly fairly quiet; mine came with a slightly noisy case fan but simply re-seating it helped a bit and I will probably replace it at some point, anyway). I am not a fan of the laptop style DVD drawer but it works well. The quick change hard drive clip on caddies are a nice touch. Upgrade options and connectivity are a bit limited but then it's a server, so not directly comparable to a desktop PC, though it works well for me as one. I added a USB 3 hub. Hope this helps someone. Looking at the picture of the internals, assuming the picture is up to date, it looks pretty much the same as my TS140, as far as I can see, and I am happy to answer questions.
Hot for the price, even if the CPU is now slightly dated. I got mine with cash back from Lenovo, which came through promptly compared to my battle with HP (though in fairness to HP, they did eventually sort out the mistake and I got my cash back from them, too), but £260 without cash back, especially if it is the version with the 450W platinum-rated PSU, is a good deal.
Chadwell
1 Apr 174#47
The ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 1060 Mini fits no problem and doesn't foul the usb 3.0 header.
I got a TS140 in January for my son to game on. There is no coil whine and the gpu and system fans all work fine and not at full tilt all the time (infact they never spin loudly even gaming all day long and I've checked the temps). The machine is actually incredibly quiet and hasn't had any lockups, unexpected shutdowns. I think the fan's must be temperature controlled and half the heat from the card goes into the case but it doesn't lead to a problem or fan noise.
You can take the lower HDD drive bay out to fit a long card, mine seemed welded but there's actually a little metal tab on the side that has a bend in it to hold the bay in place after you take the screw off, mine needed a little gentle manipulation with a small screwdriver to free it.
Originally I had planned on getting a bargain RX 470 and live without the front USB ports when I sized it up, but changed my mind and just paid the extra for a 1060. Even though I really wanted value for money, I knew i'd think about those front ports each time I glanced at it. So I put the bay back in, went back in no issues. I couldn't find a short enough RX 470/480 to keep the front USB ports. The RX460 or 1050ti I felt were a waste as I wouldn't need to use the 6pin connector from the PSU (which is cable tied to one the the drive bays) and aren't as powerful.
You might also need low profile angled sata cables if you want to use a long card as it seemed the card would go right over the top of some of them. You might also need a card without a backplate if using a long one as the slot seemed awfully close to the ram clips.
I put in a 6GB 1060 not the 3GB, which would have done for 1920x1080, as I got the LG 25UM58-P which is 2560x1080, it's also 75hz you can set in the control panel.
I got a stick of 4GB RAM off ebay for £17 I was fairly careful choosing some as people seemed to report that it's a bit fussy. Be careful you don't buy 'registered/buffered' ram. I can tell you Hynix HMT451U7BFR8A-PB or HMT351U7EFR8A-PB work. You can go through the list of builds here http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Lenovo-ThinkServer-TS140/7044#Benchmarks and pick out the ram model numbers for the machines with the same processor to find compatible ram. I think you can mix ecc and normal ram also.
I had the same issue when calling. I gave up and submitted my claim here.
Select the "Base warranty change / Purchase date update" option for the request.
Vorm
13 Apr 17#71
I'm having a runaround on this - only 21 days left on mine.
Contacted Lenovo - we dont deal with this - call IBM pre sales.
Call IBM pre sales - we're no longer part of Lenovo - call Lenovo
Vorm
9 Apr 17#69
Gives the location of 5 hdd bays plus the DVD but only provides 5 sata ports on the mobo. :-/
sneakybifta to Vorm
9 Apr 17#70
Does seem odd that it does arrive with 5 ready to go full size HDD bays, even with 40mm fans running and 3.5" brackets in both the 5.25" front bays, yet not enough SATA ports. I was impressed with how they've managed to fit a slim DVD drive and a 3.5" hard drive in one 5.25" bay, seems less ingenious when the ports don't add up. There is infact 6 SATA power connectors inside, so you won't even need a power splitter.
Easily solved for me, disconnected the DVD drive initially, then bought this for £9 on Amazon. I've heard cheap SATA cards can be a bit iffy on speed but I now have all the hard drives on motherboard SATA and DVD drive working through PCIe SATA adaptor.
I haven't actually ever used the DVD drive, I've got it set up as an unRAID sever for Plex mainly, I don't forsee ever needing to use the DVD drive. I just didn't like it being there disconnected. :confused:
sneakybifta
6 Apr 17#68
Thanks, mine was also due to expire soon. Contacted them.
Sin_of_nature
5 Apr 17#67
Hi,
Sorry, just noticed your question. This is what I ordered
FYI - If you purchased this you may want to check your warranty status here. Mine only had 151 days left.
You can contact Lenovo to reset your warranty. You'll need to provide a copy of your order confirmation. This may make thinks easier if you need to claim in the future.
Sin_of_nature
2 Apr 17#56
I have 32Gb of standard HyperX Fury ram in mine. Don't think it would sit happy with the EEC stick. Works fine with the Xeon and has been confirmed by others too.
R..Daneel.Olivav to Sin_of_nature
4 Apr 17#65
What's the part number or your memory?
AndrewHu
3 Apr 17#64
eBuyer also sell the Dell T20 which is a very similar spec but costs £300. I'm waiting for Monday morning to see if any more of these show up on eBuyer. It's been suggested that these etailers are just shipping direct from Lenovo so I'm hoping that in the morning eBuyer will stock up again pretty quickly.
*edit*
Actually ServersPlus are selling the T20 for £240 with an equivalent CPU, the only difference being that it's not quite so good with power.
Purchii
2 Apr 17#63
It's gone mate.
tawse57
2 Apr 17#62
That is why I did not order. The fact that is was from ebuyer doubled that concern. Well done for taking the chance.
I just got fed up having to ring them up to chase back my money.
tawse57
2 Apr 17#60
Odd how other sellers have not had it at this price. Recent deals on here have basically confirmed that the various etailers are acting as a front for Lenovo - the debacle over the TS150 deal a week or two back basically confirmed that the etailers were all getting the same deal/stock from Lenovo.
sneakybifta to tawse57
2 Apr 17#61
I was skeptical when I ordered, enough that I paid for next day delivery and waited until it was actually out for delivery before posting on here. I thought it was a misprice and would get cancelled.
mk-donald
2 Apr 17#59
Sunday 2pm and eBuyer now showing "Sorry, this product is currently out of stock", though they do offer chance to leave your email to be notified if/when ever in stock again [eg some of the HUKDers cancel their orders!]
homeuser067
2 Apr 17#58
Hi Purchii, is the offer still on?
AndrewHu
2 Apr 17#57
Done some research after my earlier comment suggesting this server may be outdated now, found it's still far better value than other options and only ever so slightly slower CPU wise than the TS150 E3 offering, which is several hundred pounds more.
Now I actually want to buy one but they're out of stock. I can probably just wait to see what happens come Monday morning but I was wondering, has anyone found it elsewhere for this price?
thebruce
1 Apr 17#54
Any recommendations for an 8Gb stick of ram to go alongside the 4Gb already installed? Not bothered about ECC if it makes a big difference to the price.
Just putting this out there for anyone thinking of using this as a gaming machine with a graphics card as it's something I thought about at the time. The 450watt platinum PSU with 6pin connector making this particularly attractive, given the shortage of pre-builts with decent power supplies.
The 6pin connector for the graphics card is the +12v3 12A it does have 3 yellow/blue wires and 3 black ground from the PSU. Is that theoretically 144watt plus 75watt from the PCI slot max (please don't try that or close to it)? I looked into this and there seems to be a lot of confusion on this subject. Are there actually 3 separate rails on this PSU? It looks like the yellow/blue is only used by the 6 pin connector. The CPU can take from +12v1 and +12v2, the motherboard, sata, pci slots only from +12v2.
I only mention this for people who may be wanting to use older more power hungry graphics cards. I did consider getting an r9 nano from Amazon Warehouse which is 8 pin but I think can use a 6 pin, the 2 extra wires are actually grounds. You can also get single 6pin to 8pin adapters and I don't think you'd have to think about getting a cable to take power from the sata ports.
So in conclusion...just get a short current gen card like a 1060 mini and forget about it. If you have a card lying about you're thinking of using maybe that helps though and show us the pics. lol
Chadwell
1 Apr 174#47
The ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 1060 Mini fits no problem and doesn't foul the usb 3.0 header.
I got a TS140 in January for my son to game on. There is no coil whine and the gpu and system fans all work fine and not at full tilt all the time (infact they never spin loudly even gaming all day long and I've checked the temps). The machine is actually incredibly quiet and hasn't had any lockups, unexpected shutdowns. I think the fan's must be temperature controlled and half the heat from the card goes into the case but it doesn't lead to a problem or fan noise.
You can take the lower HDD drive bay out to fit a long card, mine seemed welded but there's actually a little metal tab on the side that has a bend in it to hold the bay in place after you take the screw off, mine needed a little gentle manipulation with a small screwdriver to free it.
Originally I had planned on getting a bargain RX 470 and live without the front USB ports when I sized it up, but changed my mind and just paid the extra for a 1060. Even though I really wanted value for money, I knew i'd think about those front ports each time I glanced at it. So I put the bay back in, went back in no issues. I couldn't find a short enough RX 470/480 to keep the front USB ports. The RX460 or 1050ti I felt were a waste as I wouldn't need to use the 6pin connector from the PSU (which is cable tied to one the the drive bays) and aren't as powerful.
You might also need low profile angled sata cables if you want to use a long card as it seemed the card would go right over the top of some of them. You might also need a card without a backplate if using a long one as the slot seemed awfully close to the ram clips.
I put in a 6GB 1060 not the 3GB, which would have done for 1920x1080, as I got the LG 25UM58-P which is 2560x1080, it's also 75hz you can set in the control panel.
I got a stick of 4GB RAM off ebay for £17 I was fairly careful choosing some as people seemed to report that it's a bit fussy. Be careful you don't buy 'registered/buffered' ram. I can tell you Hynix HMT451U7BFR8A-PB or HMT351U7EFR8A-PB work. You can go through the list of builds here http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Lenovo-ThinkServer-TS140/7044#Benchmarks and pick out the ram model numbers for the machines with the same processor to find compatible ram. I think you can mix ecc and normal ram also.
There's actually 5, not the stated 4, 3.25" hard drive slots ready to go.
Two internal with blue quick release handles. One internal with screws.
Two in the 5.25" front bays. Both the Slim DVD drive at the top, and the empty second bay, are complete with caddy and fans for two more hard drives. Only 5 sata connectors, so I've disconnected the DVD drive, but there is enough power connectors for all devices so with a sata expansion card you could keep all connected.
fizz
1 Apr 17#44
thanks for the info
fizz
31 Mar 17#34
can it take long graphic cards, is there enough space?
Sin_of_nature to fizz
1 Apr 171#43
Hi,
No. I already made that mistake. Tried putting in a full size 1070 and you have no chance. I have a fanless Plait 750Ti (18.5 cm long) at moment and thats fine. I'd think you'd maybe get a gfx card around 20-21 cm long. The "Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB AMP" claims to be 20-21cm long (but still 2 fans with fans off on idle) so may give that a try. You can also use mini (smalll length) cards but the reviews all seem to suggest they have noise coil under load and fans are always on. I'm also considering the fanless 1050 as its the same size as the 750Ti Fanless but not sure a 1050 will be fast enough for me. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Palit-GeForce-KalmX-Express-Graphics/dp/B01N3CC5DU/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1491032923&sr=1-2&keywords=1050+palit
There's 2 other issues.
1. The sata ports and connector socket for the front usb 3.0 ports sit exactly in line with the PCIE x16 slot. The connectors stick up meaning what ever gfx card you put in actually gets blocked by them (unless it has some serious height clearance). Such a design flaw.
2. The bottom HD slots stop any really wide cards being installed. My 1070 I bought was 2.5 slots wide and it will never fit as the bottom HD bays get in the way.
BTW, if anyone is a student and wants Windows Server, you may be able to get it for free from Microsoft Imagine (formerly Dreamspark).
amour3k to tech3475
1 Apr 17#40
Interesting info. that, do you happen to have a link for that please?. :-)
Noclouds
1 Apr 17#39
I won't talk about the how-to, here, but yes. Almost all of the credit should go to Rehabman who kindly, must be about a year ago, now, and little noticed, responded to my urging, he did the work and I just tested and confirmed to him that it worked. I think it's still documented on tonymacx86. Slight glitches on the boot screen but boots quickly, no artefacts, fluid and smooth, can change screen resolutions. I haven't had a chance to try it with Linux, yet. Easy Windows 10 install.
AndrewHu
1 Apr 171#38
I'm looking for something to act as a CCTV server and this seems decent enough but I'm not too convince there isn'td better out there just because this seems a little old now.
In this link some guy buys it for £389 with £75 cashback. This isn't much more expensive than it is now and the thread is over two years old. Is it still worth was much as it was two years ago?
Sp0oner
1 Apr 17#37
Did you get QE/CI working?
Sp0oner
1 Apr 17#36
Heat from me, it's a lot of processing power for not a lot of money with a cpu benchmark of 7497.Stick in 32gb ram and a very nice esxi box.
sneakybifta
31 Mar 171#35
Late Wednesday night, arrived today.
tawse57
31 Mar 171#33
Oh, you actually got one from ebuyer. I am surprised. When did you order it?
Chumba_Wumba
31 Mar 17#32
Its just a bloody big coffee machine :wink:
Gkains
31 Mar 17#31
Doesn't seem to be in the PSU review database http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/FSP.htm
But that's no surprise since it's most likely OEM only.
However, FPS only make three lines of Platinum PSUs:
- the consumer Aurum 92+ which are all semi modular
- the consumer Aurum PT which are 850W, 1000W and 1200W fully modular
- the ETN line which matches your label.
No reviews, but they are probably based on a similar design as the smaller Aurum 92+ although possible using worse quality parts. The FSP Aurum 92~+ 450W sells for $90 on newegg. Certainly like to be better quality than many PSUs.
sneakybifta
31 Mar 172#30
Here's some pictures from inside mine, delivered today from this deal. Confirm 450W 80+ Platinum PSU.
All I have changed in these pics is added 2 extra hard drives. The middle slot came filled with the rest empty. I think there's room for one, perhaps two, more up near the slim DVD drive.
fizz
31 Mar 17#29
thanks, I currently have a core2duo hack.
Ian2014
31 Mar 172#28
Come on - you know they won't honour it :stuck_out_tongue:
Gkains
31 Mar 17#27
RE: the PSU.
Ebuyer say the model name is 70A50022UK and according to this doc (taking the UK part away): http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/ThinkServer.pdf
450W 92% efficiency but this only has 4GB. Plus efficiency should be voltage dependent as it's easier to get higher ratings at 240V than 110-120V.
Googling '70A50022UK psu' seems to throw up mention of 450W Gold.
Hm, nevermind. The link rdlowry has above seems to confirm 450W Platinum although it too still says 8GB not 4GB.
Noclouds
31 Mar 17#26
The 450W model in mine has one six pin.
I own an iMac so it was straightforward using the Carbon Copy Cloner app to clone the iMac's El Capitan partition. I won't run through the process, here, because even though I own licensed MacOS operating systems on Mac hardware and can do as I like with my own equipment in my own home, I am not sure it would be within the terms of hotukdeals to do a how-to. I can say that for people who purchase the MacOS from Apple, tonymacx86 is one place that covers the install on a TS140, though not how to get the Xeon's P variant of the HD 4600 working.
tawse57
31 Mar 17#25
The Lenovo cashback scheme ends tonight. I wonder if from April 1st we are going to see this on other etailers with some new cashback option. Perhaps ebuyer have jumped the gun because they are not included on any new cashback deal?
rdlowry
31 Mar 17#24
You can find the manufacturer part code (70A50022UK) at the top of the ebuyer listing. Here is a link to the data for this model which indicates a 450W PSU. I ordered for delivery tomorrow and it's already been shipped. Thanks OP.
mojojo
31 Mar 17#23
Does this run Crysis in Ultra?
mankymanning
31 Mar 17#22
Pretty sure I read all Eurooen TS140s were the 450w version. Got 32GB ram in mine running unRAID hosting Dockers and VMs. Brilliant quiet low power consumption machine
It says 450 watt power supply in the full description - but whether you can trust them or not?
Noclouds
31 Mar 176#5
Very happy with mine, tldr details below, hopefully someone finds it helpful.
Mine is the same model but with the slightly older E3-1225v3 CPU. Along with running Windows 10 on it, I have a flaky iMac and so made a backup image of the iMac's MacOS boot drive to an SSD, put that in the TS140 and run the Lenovo as a dual boot machine to a Dell monitor, though at the moment I mainly use the TS140 with Windows 10. It's reassuring that when the iMac dies, I have the backup reassurance that my workflow will only be slightly inconvenienced (it's the 27" 2010 iMac with the screen issues). The TS140's 4 core Xeon CPU is the equivalent of an i5 4570 or i5 4590 but with a larger cache. The integrated graphics is a variant of the Intel HD 4600 (I had to modify my bootloaders config.plist to get this 'P' variant it to work in the MacOS but it works well and Windows recognised it without issue).
Mine came with a 450W platinum power supply (there are two versions of this model, one lower power bronze-rated PSU) with one six pin PCI power plug for a graphics card. eBuyer specify the model is the 70A50022UK, which I think, though don't quote me on this, is the 450W pus model but it could be that the version eBuyer are currently seeking is the version with the 280W 80 PLUS Bronze PSU, so, depending on your usage, you might want to confirm with a phone call to eBuyer. At some point, for my 450W PSU model, I want to get a SATA power to PCI power converter adapter, so I can put my MSI GTX 670 in it, which takes two six pin pci power plugs. If that's not stable, I will replace the power supply but note that the supplied PSU and motherboard uses a proprietary socket, or at least it has a different number of pins, so you will need an adapter if buying a regular desktop PC power supply.
Build quality is great, or at least the time of purchase, I was surprised and delighted, very solid (reassuringly heavy and correspondingly fairly quiet; mine came with a slightly noisy case fan but simply re-seating it helped a bit and I will probably replace it at some point, anyway). I am not a fan of the laptop style DVD drawer but it works well. The quick change hard drive clip on caddies are a nice touch. Upgrade options and connectivity are a bit limited but then it's a server, so not directly comparable to a desktop PC, though it works well for me as one. I added a USB 3 hub. Hope this helps someone. Looking at the picture of the internals, assuming the picture is up to date, it looks pretty much the same as my TS140, as far as I can see, and I am happy to answer questions.
Hot for the price, even if the CPU is now slightly dated. I got mine with cash back from Lenovo, which came through promptly compared to my battle with HP (though in fairness to HP, they did eventually sort out the mistake and I got my cash back from them, too), but £260 without cash back, especially if it is the version with the 450W platinum-rated PSU, is a good deal.
fizz to Noclouds
31 Mar 17#19
Thanks for the informative post - how easy was it to hackintosh it? anything not working when? did you install Sierra?
does the PSU have 1x6 pin or none for graphics?
RiverDragon8
31 Mar 17#18
You can buy server RAM for £25 (I bought mine from the same place but for £14.50 last year) Here or you can mix with non-ECC RAM. You paying £35 I think is a bit excessive.
rmarck
31 Mar 17#17
I am interested. Please PM your email if you still have it.
christopherbridg
31 Mar 17#13
don't trust these people, they renege on accepted orders claiming lack of stock, in my recent experience.
tawse57 to christopherbridg
31 Mar 173#16
I've had a read back through other deals on this - seems it was cheaper last year and even much cheaper in 2015.
I noticed in the threads some people complaining about their warranties already having months taken off them and haing to contact Lenovo to make sure that they have a 12 month warranty from time of purchase - actually, from time of delivery under distance selling regs.
I also saw one poster stating that when he applied for his Lenovo cashback the system he had in his hands apparently already had the cashback claimed on it. He contacted ebuyer and apparently they were not at all helpful. He had a few choice words to say about ebuyer.
Having ordered 2 times from ebuyer in the past 12 months and, after having both orders cancelled, I had to chase them up for the return of my cash I am loathe to order from them. I will keep an eye out for this with another supplier.
Edit: typos.
hunterross
31 Mar 171#15
Had my TS140 Xeon for a year or so now using as a home test server for clients to preview website work on - Java, PHP, etc. Works beautifully. Near silent, and low power usage. I put 32 GB of ram in and bought a second identical hard drive to run in Raid for extra reliability.
tawse57
31 Mar 174#14
Thanks for taking the time to write such an informative response.
Noclouds
31 Mar 172#12
I have no experience of the Dell but did consider getting one. The attraction of the Lenovo, assuming the above has the same PSU, is that it came with a 450W Platinum PSU. I wouldn't expect it to perform as anything much beyond fit for purpose for a server and it has few options for multiple upgrade components but I felt that of the options available, it sounded the most flexible. Also, I had a heck of a job finding much information about it, if you wanted to fit a graphics card beyond one that draws its power purely from the PCIE socket. I found a fairly long forum, I can't remember if it was in German, but it detailed struggles people were having getting their graphics cards to work with it, which is to say using SATA power converters to six pin graphics cards connectors. My graphics cards have two six pin sockets and at least the Lenovo's 450W PSU, in the case of my model, had one six pin. Though I haven't tried adding a SATA to six pin converter, I found such things do exist while looking at cables for another project. I am hopeful it will work but as I haven't met anyone who has tried it, it's just speculation on my part. The Lenovo, I read, is quite picky about the memory you go with, if you don't go with ECC memory. I purchased but have not yet fitted Crucial Ballistix Sport 16 GB Kit (8 GB x 2) DDR3 1600 MT/s (PC3-12800) UDIMM 240-Pin Memory for it, on the advice of a user who said it works. I am probably not going to fit the memory but use it in another project. The computer runs MacOS and Windows 10 well enough with the 4GB, I feel. If I turn it into a gaming rig, I will fit the memory then. Hopefully it will work okay.
If it was my money, especially if the Lenovo comes with the Platinum-rated 450 Watt PSU with 6pin PCI power connector for a graphics card, I would probably go for the Lenovo. I was impressed by the build quality, if not the aesthetics. The CPU in the Lenovo is slightly faster but not enough that you would notice, I think, unless you are a power user and sit there with a stopwatch, in which case an i7 or Xeon with hyper threading would be a better choice, if going the Intel route. Hope that helps. Not knocking the Dell, just haven't had any hands on and it was the PSU that sold me on the Lenovo. Hopefully the one above does come with the 450 Watt Platinum-rated PSU.
And Lenovo have finally delivered a server to a HUKD member :smirk:. The debacles of the TS140 at Christmas and the TS150 in February have put me off.
ohaidoggie
31 Mar 171#7
What OS have you got on it out of curiosity?
sneakybifta
31 Mar 17#6
Just got mine, wondering is there really four hard drive bays?
I've found three, which is all I need anyway. Plenty of room for a fourth under the DVD drive but looks like it would need something to hold it in place.
sneakybifta
31 Mar 17#3
Awesome, I'm waiting for the Yodel guy to turn up with mine and you had me worried for a second :laughing:
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Opening post
I'd been waiting a couple weeks after holding off a very similar spec Dell T20 Xeon 1225 that's usually around £300. This Lenovo one is supposedly much quieter and usually priced from £450+.
Planning to turn mine into an unRAID server that'll do a few jobs, most importantly for me run a big Plex server. I'll be adding an extra 4GB ECC ram to bring the total to 8GB, not sure if this is necessary for my needs but was only £35.
Intel Xeon E3-1226v3 3.3Ghz Quad Core
4GB 1600Mhz DDR3 SDRAM ECC - in one slot, 4 slots max 32GB
Built in VGA / 2x Displayport to connect monitor without adding GPU - the Xeon chip has some form of built in graphics which should be more than enough for most
1 PCIe 3.0 16x - 1 PCIe 2.0 16x - 1 PCIe 2.0 x1 - 1 PCI
Gigabit LAN
Audio line in, line out, microphone
UPDATE:
Had mine delivered. Some pics of internals in comments. Confirmed it ships with the 450W 80+ Platinum PSU. Also has 3 internal full size hard drive slots, plus both of the 2 5.25" front optical bays have caddies inside for hard drives bringing the total to 5.
It uses a slim, laptop DVD drive so that there is also room for a hard drive in the top 5.25" slot.
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Mine is the same model but with the slightly older E3-1225v3 CPU. Along with running Windows 10 on it, I have a flaky iMac and so made a backup image of the iMac's MacOS boot drive to an SSD, put that in the TS140 and run the Lenovo as a dual boot machine to a Dell monitor, though at the moment I mainly use the TS140 with Windows 10. It's reassuring that when the iMac dies, I have the backup reassurance that my workflow will only be slightly inconvenienced (it's the 27" 2010 iMac with the screen issues). The TS140's 4 core Xeon CPU is the equivalent of an i5 4570 or i5 4590 but with a larger cache. The integrated graphics is a variant of the Intel HD 4600 (I had to modify my bootloaders config.plist to get this 'P' variant it to work in the MacOS but it works well and Windows recognised it without issue).
Mine came with a 450W platinum power supply (there are two versions of this model, one lower power bronze-rated PSU) with one six pin PCI power plug for a graphics card. eBuyer specify the model is the 70A50022UK, which I think, though don't quote me on this, is the 450W pus model but it could be that the version eBuyer are currently seeking is the version with the 280W 80 PLUS Bronze PSU, so, depending on your usage, you might want to confirm with a phone call to eBuyer. At some point, for my 450W PSU model, I want to get a SATA power to PCI power converter adapter, so I can put my MSI GTX 670 in it, which takes two six pin pci power plugs. If that's not stable, I will replace the power supply but note that the supplied PSU and motherboard uses a proprietary socket, or at least it has a different number of pins, so you will need an adapter if buying a regular desktop PC power supply.
Build quality is great, or at least the time of purchase, I was surprised and delighted, very solid (reassuringly heavy and correspondingly fairly quiet; mine came with a slightly noisy case fan but simply re-seating it helped a bit and I will probably replace it at some point, anyway). I am not a fan of the laptop style DVD drawer but it works well. The quick change hard drive clip on caddies are a nice touch. Upgrade options and connectivity are a bit limited but then it's a server, so not directly comparable to a desktop PC, though it works well for me as one. I added a USB 3 hub. Hope this helps someone. Looking at the picture of the internals, assuming the picture is up to date, it looks pretty much the same as my TS140, as far as I can see, and I am happy to answer questions.
Hot for the price, even if the CPU is now slightly dated. I got mine with cash back from Lenovo, which came through promptly compared to my battle with HP (though in fairness to HP, they did eventually sort out the mistake and I got my cash back from them, too), but £260 without cash back, especially if it is the version with the 450W platinum-rated PSU, is a good deal.
I got a TS140 in January for my son to game on. There is no coil whine and the gpu and system fans all work fine and not at full tilt all the time (infact they never spin loudly even gaming all day long and I've checked the temps). The machine is actually incredibly quiet and hasn't had any lockups, unexpected shutdowns. I think the fan's must be temperature controlled and half the heat from the card goes into the case but it doesn't lead to a problem or fan noise.
You can take the lower HDD drive bay out to fit a long card, mine seemed welded but there's actually a little metal tab on the side that has a bend in it to hold the bay in place after you take the screw off, mine needed a little gentle manipulation with a small screwdriver to free it.
Originally I had planned on getting a bargain RX 470 and live without the front USB ports when I sized it up, but changed my mind and just paid the extra for a 1060. Even though I really wanted value for money, I knew i'd think about those front ports each time I glanced at it. So I put the bay back in, went back in no issues. I couldn't find a short enough RX 470/480 to keep the front USB ports. The RX460 or 1050ti I felt were a waste as I wouldn't need to use the 6pin connector from the PSU (which is cable tied to one the the drive bays) and aren't as powerful.
You might also need low profile angled sata cables if you want to use a long card as it seemed the card would go right over the top of some of them. You might also need a card without a backplate if using a long one as the slot seemed awfully close to the ram clips.
I put in a 6GB 1060 not the 3GB, which would have done for 1920x1080, as I got the LG 25UM58-P which is 2560x1080, it's also 75hz you can set in the control panel.
I got a stick of 4GB RAM off ebay for £17 I was fairly careful choosing some as people seemed to report that it's a bit fussy. Be careful you don't buy 'registered/buffered' ram. I can tell you Hynix HMT451U7BFR8A-PB or HMT351U7EFR8A-PB work. You can go through the list of builds here http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Lenovo-ThinkServer-TS140/7044#Benchmarks and pick out the ram model numbers for the machines with the same processor to find compatible ram. I think you can mix ecc and normal ram also.
Windows 10 went on no problem (key from SCDKEY listed on HUKD) and had the necessary initial drivers.
I downloaded the windows 10 media creation tool here https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 and put it on DVD.
http://ark.intel.com/products/80917
If you want to look up Xeon specs, the wiki has a good overview and usually links back to ark.intel.com so you can verify nobody made a mistake with that list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#.22Haswell-WS.22_.2822_nm.29
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Select the "Base warranty change / Purchase date update" option for the request.
Contacted Lenovo - we dont deal with this - call IBM pre sales.
Call IBM pre sales - we're no longer part of Lenovo - call Lenovo
Easily solved for me, disconnected the DVD drive initially, then bought this for £9 on Amazon. I've heard cheap SATA cards can be a bit iffy on speed but I now have all the hard drives on motherboard SATA and DVD drive working through PCIe SATA adaptor.
I haven't actually ever used the DVD drive, I've got it set up as an unRAID sever for Plex mainly, I don't forsee ever needing to use the DVD drive. I just didn't like it being there disconnected. :confused:
Sorry, just noticed your question. This is what I ordered
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00J8E91UO
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00J8E8ZOC
You can contact Lenovo to reset your warranty. You'll need to provide a copy of your order confirmation. This may make thinks easier if you need to claim in the future.
*edit*
Actually ServersPlus are selling the T20 for £240 with an equivalent CPU, the only difference being that it's not quite so good with power.
I just got fed up having to ring them up to chase back my money.
Now I actually want to buy one but they're out of stock. I can probably just wait to see what happens come Monday morning but I was wondering, has anyone found it elsewhere for this price?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Crucial-8GB-2RX8-ECC-RAM-Memory-Module-PC3L-12800E-11-13-E3-1600-Server-8GBx1-/232287544780 £39.99 used
part number : CT102472BD160B
The 1060 mini is a dual slot card isn't it - good to know there is the room for a dual slot card.
https://ibb.co/kynMva
https://ibb.co/gfoBva
https://ibb.co/kxXbTv
https://ibb.co/mgeZFa
https://ibb.co/gXW9gF
https://ibb.co/ebgyaa
Just putting this out there for anyone thinking of using this as a gaming machine with a graphics card as it's something I thought about at the time. The 450watt platinum PSU with 6pin connector making this particularly attractive, given the shortage of pre-builts with decent power supplies.
The 6pin connector for the graphics card is the +12v3 12A it does have 3 yellow/blue wires and 3 black ground from the PSU. Is that theoretically 144watt plus 75watt from the PCI slot max (please don't try that or close to it)? I looked into this and there seems to be a lot of confusion on this subject. Are there actually 3 separate rails on this PSU? It looks like the yellow/blue is only used by the 6 pin connector. The CPU can take from +12v1 and +12v2, the motherboard, sata, pci slots only from +12v2.
I only mention this for people who may be wanting to use older more power hungry graphics cards. I did consider getting an r9 nano from Amazon Warehouse which is 8 pin but I think can use a 6 pin, the 2 extra wires are actually grounds. You can also get single 6pin to 8pin adapters and I don't think you'd have to think about getting a cable to take power from the sata ports.
So in conclusion...just get a short current gen card like a 1060 mini and forget about it. If you have a card lying about you're thinking of using maybe that helps though and show us the pics. lol
I got a TS140 in January for my son to game on. There is no coil whine and the gpu and system fans all work fine and not at full tilt all the time (infact they never spin loudly even gaming all day long and I've checked the temps). The machine is actually incredibly quiet and hasn't had any lockups, unexpected shutdowns. I think the fan's must be temperature controlled and half the heat from the card goes into the case but it doesn't lead to a problem or fan noise.
You can take the lower HDD drive bay out to fit a long card, mine seemed welded but there's actually a little metal tab on the side that has a bend in it to hold the bay in place after you take the screw off, mine needed a little gentle manipulation with a small screwdriver to free it.
Originally I had planned on getting a bargain RX 470 and live without the front USB ports when I sized it up, but changed my mind and just paid the extra for a 1060. Even though I really wanted value for money, I knew i'd think about those front ports each time I glanced at it. So I put the bay back in, went back in no issues. I couldn't find a short enough RX 470/480 to keep the front USB ports. The RX460 or 1050ti I felt were a waste as I wouldn't need to use the 6pin connector from the PSU (which is cable tied to one the the drive bays) and aren't as powerful.
You might also need low profile angled sata cables if you want to use a long card as it seemed the card would go right over the top of some of them. You might also need a card without a backplate if using a long one as the slot seemed awfully close to the ram clips.
I put in a 6GB 1060 not the 3GB, which would have done for 1920x1080, as I got the LG 25UM58-P which is 2560x1080, it's also 75hz you can set in the control panel.
I got a stick of 4GB RAM off ebay for £17 I was fairly careful choosing some as people seemed to report that it's a bit fussy. Be careful you don't buy 'registered/buffered' ram. I can tell you Hynix HMT451U7BFR8A-PB or HMT351U7EFR8A-PB work. You can go through the list of builds here http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Lenovo-ThinkServer-TS140/7044#Benchmarks and pick out the ram model numbers for the machines with the same processor to find compatible ram. I think you can mix ecc and normal ram also.
Windows 10 went on no problem (key from SCDKEY listed on HUKD) and had the necessary initial drivers.
I downloaded the windows 10 media creation tool here https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 and put it on DVD.
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/palit-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-kalmx-4gb-gddr5-graphics-card-768-core-1290mhz-gpu-1392mhz-boost-passive-c
Two internal with blue quick release handles. One internal with screws.
Two in the 5.25" front bays. Both the Slim DVD drive at the top, and the empty second bay, are complete with caddy and fans for two more hard drives. Only 5 sata connectors, so I've disconnected the DVD drive, but there is enough power connectors for all devices so with a sata expansion card you could keep all connected.
No. I already made that mistake. Tried putting in a full size 1070 and you have no chance. I have a fanless Plait 750Ti (18.5 cm long) at moment and thats fine. I'd think you'd maybe get a gfx card around 20-21 cm long. The "Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB AMP" claims to be 20-21cm long (but still 2 fans with fans off on idle) so may give that a try. You can also use mini (smalll length) cards but the reviews all seem to suggest they have noise coil under load and fans are always on. I'm also considering the fanless 1050 as its the same size as the 750Ti Fanless but not sure a 1050 will be fast enough for me.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Palit-GeForce-KalmX-Express-Graphics/dp/B01N3CC5DU/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1491032923&sr=1-2&keywords=1050+palit
There's 2 other issues.
1. The sata ports and connector socket for the front usb 3.0 ports sit exactly in line with the PCIE x16 slot. The connectors stick up meaning what ever gfx card you put in actually gets blocked by them (unless it has some serious height clearance). Such a design flaw.
2. The bottom HD slots stop any really wide cards being installed. My 1070 I bought was 2.5 slots wide and it will never fit as the bottom HD bays get in the way.
Great machine other than that.
Thanx. :-)
https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1261853
In this link some guy buys it for £389 with £75 cashback. This isn't much more expensive than it is now and the thread is over two years old. Is it still worth was much as it was two years ago?
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/FSP.htm
But that's no surprise since it's most likely OEM only.
However, FPS only make three lines of Platinum PSUs:
- the consumer Aurum 92+ which are all semi modular
- the consumer Aurum PT which are 850W, 1000W and 1200W fully modular
- the ETN line which matches your label.
No reviews, but they are probably based on a similar design as the smaller Aurum 92+ although possible using worse quality parts. The FSP Aurum 92~+ 450W sells for $90 on newegg. Certainly like to be better quality than many PSUs.
PSU label
Inside 1
Inside 2
All I have changed in these pics is added 2 extra hard drives. The middle slot came filled with the rest empty. I think there's room for one, perhaps two, more up near the slim DVD drive.
Ebuyer say the model name is 70A50022UK and according to this doc (taking the UK part away):
http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/ThinkServer.pdf
450W 92% efficiency but this only has 4GB. Plus efficiency should be voltage dependent as it's easier to get higher ratings at 240V than 110-120V.
Googling '70A50022UK psu' seems to throw up mention of 450W Gold.
Hm, nevermind. The link rdlowry has above seems to confirm 450W Platinum although it too still says 8GB not 4GB.
I own an iMac so it was straightforward using the Carbon Copy Cloner app to clone the iMac's El Capitan partition. I won't run through the process, here, because even though I own licensed MacOS operating systems on Mac hardware and can do as I like with my own equipment in my own home, I am not sure it would be within the terms of hotukdeals to do a how-to. I can say that for people who purchase the MacOS from Apple, tonymacx86 is one place that covers the install on a TS140, though not how to get the Xeon's P variant of the HD 4600 working.
Mine is the same model but with the slightly older E3-1225v3 CPU. Along with running Windows 10 on it, I have a flaky iMac and so made a backup image of the iMac's MacOS boot drive to an SSD, put that in the TS140 and run the Lenovo as a dual boot machine to a Dell monitor, though at the moment I mainly use the TS140 with Windows 10. It's reassuring that when the iMac dies, I have the backup reassurance that my workflow will only be slightly inconvenienced (it's the 27" 2010 iMac with the screen issues). The TS140's 4 core Xeon CPU is the equivalent of an i5 4570 or i5 4590 but with a larger cache. The integrated graphics is a variant of the Intel HD 4600 (I had to modify my bootloaders config.plist to get this 'P' variant it to work in the MacOS but it works well and Windows recognised it without issue).
Mine came with a 450W platinum power supply (there are two versions of this model, one lower power bronze-rated PSU) with one six pin PCI power plug for a graphics card. eBuyer specify the model is the 70A50022UK, which I think, though don't quote me on this, is the 450W pus model but it could be that the version eBuyer are currently seeking is the version with the 280W 80 PLUS Bronze PSU, so, depending on your usage, you might want to confirm with a phone call to eBuyer. At some point, for my 450W PSU model, I want to get a SATA power to PCI power converter adapter, so I can put my MSI GTX 670 in it, which takes two six pin pci power plugs. If that's not stable, I will replace the power supply but note that the supplied PSU and motherboard uses a proprietary socket, or at least it has a different number of pins, so you will need an adapter if buying a regular desktop PC power supply.
Build quality is great, or at least the time of purchase, I was surprised and delighted, very solid (reassuringly heavy and correspondingly fairly quiet; mine came with a slightly noisy case fan but simply re-seating it helped a bit and I will probably replace it at some point, anyway). I am not a fan of the laptop style DVD drawer but it works well. The quick change hard drive clip on caddies are a nice touch. Upgrade options and connectivity are a bit limited but then it's a server, so not directly comparable to a desktop PC, though it works well for me as one. I added a USB 3 hub. Hope this helps someone. Looking at the picture of the internals, assuming the picture is up to date, it looks pretty much the same as my TS140, as far as I can see, and I am happy to answer questions.
Hot for the price, even if the CPU is now slightly dated. I got mine with cash back from Lenovo, which came through promptly compared to my battle with HP (though in fairness to HP, they did eventually sort out the mistake and I got my cash back from them, too), but £260 without cash back, especially if it is the version with the 450W platinum-rated PSU, is a good deal.
does the PSU have 1x6 pin or none for graphics?
I noticed in the threads some people complaining about their warranties already having months taken off them and haing to contact Lenovo to make sure that they have a 12 month warranty from time of purchase - actually, from time of delivery under distance selling regs.
I also saw one poster stating that when he applied for his Lenovo cashback the system he had in his hands apparently already had the cashback claimed on it. He contacted ebuyer and apparently they were not at all helpful. He had a few choice words to say about ebuyer.
Having ordered 2 times from ebuyer in the past 12 months and, after having both orders cancelled, I had to chase them up for the return of my cash I am loathe to order from them. I will keep an eye out for this with another supplier.
Edit: typos.
If it was my money, especially if the Lenovo comes with the Platinum-rated 450 Watt PSU with 6pin PCI power connector for a graphics card, I would probably go for the Lenovo. I was impressed by the build quality, if not the aesthetics. The CPU in the Lenovo is slightly faster but not enough that you would notice, I think, unless you are a power user and sit there with a stopwatch, in which case an i7 or Xeon with hyper threading would be a better choice, if going the Intel route. Hope that helps. Not knocking the Dell, just haven't had any hands on and it was the PSU that sold me on the Lenovo. Hopefully the one above does come with the 450 Watt Platinum-rated PSU.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007PNNTY4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Horses for courses
heat
http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/PSREF_TS140_WE.pdf
And Lenovo have finally delivered a server to a HUKD member :smirk:. The debacles of the TS140 at Christmas and the TS150 in February have put me off.
I've found three, which is all I need anyway. Plenty of room for a fourth under the DVD drive but looks like it would need something to hold it in place.
http://ark.intel.com/products/80917
If you want to look up Xeon specs, the wiki has a good overview and usually links back to ark.intel.com so you can verify nobody made a mistake with that list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#.22Haswell-WS.22_.2822_nm.29