Has anyone actually leased this car?

No feedback in car deals my friend , just the usual brigading for and against owning a premium vs. Budget car

Hi

I'm considering going down car lease route and just wanted a bit of feedback from members who've been offered to buy the car at end....was you offered a good price at the end??

Thanks

​Very good post/points mate, though it wasn't me that made the silly claim about BMW and Merc autos - hopefully anyone else reading will notice the typo which makes it look like I would say something so absurd :smiley:

Do they even make many auto gearboxes?
The reliable makers of auto gearboxes are Borg-Warner, ZF, JatCo and Getrag who make most BMW auto boxes. They also supply the same gearboxes to other car makers. I don't know if Getrag put special fairy dust on the ones for BMW though?

For example, the Getrag 217 is in the BMW 3 series, 5 series, Z4 and ..... Alfa Romeo Giulia.

Getrag are the German subsidiary of Magna who are a Canadian company. They make their products all around the world.

so.... about this lease deal then

Was just emphasising that it puts price up even more.

We're people comparing it to BMW/Merc/Audi? They are in a higher price bracket so you expect a better product.

Nissan have been building diesels since the early 1960s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine

Wow, where do I even start trying to reply to that pile of utter [email protected]

Yes, 29 years in the industry and I was unaware that VW own Skoda, haha.

Many BMWs and Mercs have JatCo transmissions.

I can't be bothered with the rest.

So what if you have to buy it?
You pay for it in a Hyundai as well, it is just included in the price. You do realise they don't give things for free.

Anyway, my point was you cannot co.pare this Hyundai with a BMW/Merc/Audi but with other cars in it's class, like Renault, Nissan, Dacia etc

Clearly, you prove that by saying Japanese makers were thinking diesel engines were a bad idea 15 years ago... :smiley: I remember the efforts they put into building one, and then how they struggled to put an auto gear box on it... The huge torque was not easy to manage.

So you now moved from Hyundai to japanese cars... Nice one :smiley:
No, asian makers were not able to keep up with the german makers in terms of diesel engines, technology and/or auto gear boxes.

They did struggle to develop one or two engines.

Everybody knew there were just two makers who made reliable auto gear boxes, bmw and Merc. Second hand car with an auto gear box? Not unless it is one of the two.

It is funny that you say Skoda is more reliable than Audi/Vw given they are the same tech :smiley: which comes to prove how much you know about cars.

It is also funny to look at a chart saying Fiat, Chevrolet are more reliable than BMW... Or Dacia for that matter.

Truly ridiculous you think so... Charts are easy to be manipulated or plane wrong, as they clearly are in this case. Can you buy a Dacia with electric sunroof? No.

There, more reliable than an Audi with an electric roof that went wrong...

Perhaps, but certainly I am 'enlightened' to the reality of German cars, having been in the motor industry for 29 years, a big part of that behind the scenes with VW/Audi.

You clearly have a problem :smiley:

The Japanese made diesel engines for years (decades I think) for other markets, but were a little slow to bring them to the UK, admittedly - I have no idea why - maybe they knew they were a bad (German) idea back then?

They are also a leader, if not numero uno, with regards auto transmissions (look up JatCo (Nissan's auto box subsidiary) and Aisin (Toyota's equivalent). They supply auto boxes to almost every other manufacturer (which is why autos are good nowadays!).

And almost nobody takes their German car on track days...

It also doesn't come with the extra warranty you have to buy it. £515 for an Octavia.

100,000m isn't unlimited mileage, last time I looked.

Also, whilst Skoda share many VW/Audi components, they tend to be streets ahead in reliability terms.

I simply said that German cars didn't have 5 year unlimited mileage warranties (in direct comparison to the car offered in this deal), were not good value for money (which they are not, famously) and that they have the highest engine failure rates (which is fact, and the report was in many magazines and newspapers).

Why are you banging on about Dacias and Vauxhalls?

I would avoid the word never though.

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http://www.skoda.co.uk/owners/warranty/extended-warranty

While gearbox complexity is a contributing factor and early DSG boxes had issues I don't think it is as big a factor. But yes if you sell more auto/semi auto box's you will have higher failure rates Vs manual box's.

While German cars tend to be driven harder and are usually sold in a high state of tune they are actually stressed less than small engines. Driving an Up on the motorway is more stressful on the engine than a highly turned car like a Golf R.
Just look across the pond. Big lightly tunes engines (if looked after) generally last a long time.

As for track use. While there are no figures only a tiny amount ever take them to a track.

That's a very good point, in fact many asian makers failed to produce a diesel engine at all for a long time.

You should also add nr 3), automatic gear boxes. Even after asian car makers started to produce a diesel engine, they were unable to offer it in a combo with an automatic transmission.

German car makers did all of thw above for ages.

Nr 4) would be that German cars are always expwcted to perform, and they are drivem a bit more aggresive, not you tipical run around to do your shopping. In fact, they are usually taken to the track and pushed t the limit

What claims? That this car is in the same band as Renault, Nissan and so on and not BMW/Merc? What is wrong with my statemenr

Basically, what you're saying is German brands are not good, while, Fiat, Dacia, renault, Hyundai, Vauxhall are excellent... Hmmm

Ok Herr Maximus

Were Ladas, Trabants or FSOs marketed as such?


They are German-engineered, not necessarily German-built. Škoda is actually more reliable than VW



Neither Mercedes nor Audi have had any engineering input into Ducati.


Smart is a company and a division of Daimler AG. The latest Smart ForTwo just happens to be built in France, co-developed and sharing the same platform and engines with the third generation Renault Twingo.


The K9K family of straight-4 turbocharged diesel engines is co-developed by Nissan and Renault.


The N18 Prince engine is a BMW/PSA collaboration.


No. It's rather simple. In order to survive, many manufacturers co-develop to reduce costs and maintain profitability.

Hyundai..... yuk.

Pub talk.

Very true. I always let the car sit for a few seconds before turning off. My boss doesn't always let it come to a stop before turning it off!

As for charts I was more thinking like for like engines. So comparing diesel engines with diesel and petrol with petrol. Honda come out top but when my brother had a 1.7cdti civic it had loads of engine issues (although it wasn't really a Honda engine at all)

Great Review here! Heat Added!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raLf_lPLIww

And to add that, a lot of turbo issues in cars are attributable to user error. Many drivers fail to let a red hot turbo cool down after ascending a hill and/or after towing and/or after sustained speed motorway cruising. If one doesn't do that, the oil in the turbo bearings instantly carbonises and, as well as causing severe wear, can block the oil flow to the turbo bearing. Same applies to turbo petrol cars that have water cooled turbos but still benefit from idling before switching off.


There is this...

Are they all? Or just specific brands? Are we doing sweeping statements again? Also aren't all cars marketed from an angle of quality?

I mean, are Skoda and SEAT German or not? What about Bentley, Rolls Royce, Ducati (when it comes to bikes), et al? What about SMART? Are they French or German? Is a Renault engine in a Merc French or German? What about the N18 engine? Is that French or German? It seems really more grey than black and white.

But both you and ezzer seem to only see things in black and white. Must be weird to live a life purely in binary, like a robot.

While there are a few engines that have had design faults which always prop up the headlines even with out these the German brands never come out well. It's pretty simple to explain.

1) Any car that has a turbo is inherently likely to have more issues due to the turbo being a failure (extra point to fail) and also increased pressure on the engine.

2) Diesel cars are less reliable in general.

So if you add that a larger proportion of the German cars sold include both 1 and 2 it makes sense that they come out lower down. As do French engine manufacturers.

Now look at the top. Honda , Toyota etc. They produce (as a percentage) more naturally aspirated petrol cars.

If there were like for like charts for engine failure rates you would see the figures are closer than they appear.

You mean ¿Qué?


The issue is that given German car engineering has been marketed to be superior and/or top quality, when engines suffer catastrophic failures or have timing belt failure due to plastic pulleys failing, it's certainly no way to buy real "quality and reliability". However, resale values are propped up by this myth and that's a fact of life.

Qué?


So there's no sweeping generalisation there at all?

You don't have to use Google. Other search engines are available,


The one engine model that is used in twelve separate models?

Who said all BMW engines are poor?

Okay. How about this?


Implying that Google is a good source of facts. You will find multiple sources of 'fake news' without evidence using any search term.

Besides, extrapolating from one engine model (that is famous for failure) to imply that all BMW engines are poor is a bit tenuous. And as with most things, the data is mostly anecdotal. So I guess I can stick my own anecdotal data into the mix, my mother bought a new 118d in 2008 and did 120,000 miles in around 4-5 years, in that time the only thing that went wrong was the battery evidently went weak so the Start-Stop didn't work. A new battery and it was fine.

There's a lot of fanboy-ism with cars, which leads to even the slight sniff of a story being blown right out of proportion. There's your fake news.

I know what fake news is. I'm asking you what information/fact on this specific thread do you call fake news?

Anything that cannot be backed up with direct evidence can be classed as fake.

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

What on this thread is classified as fake news?

Which claims? Perhaps I can help you with backed-up facts?

Actually Bertz99 could be more appropriate. He takes pedantry to the nth degree.

It may well be true.

However I'm sick of bull-**** claims all over the internet without actual facts to back it up.

German brands, especially VW have perceived quality based on yesteryear when mkII Golfs were indeed of decent build and quality.

Simply Google "BMW N47".

One could argue that the reason Kia/Hyundai offered a long warranty was because they wanted to gain market share from the established brands. And whilst they have done that to an extent, they are still way down on sales from Toyota/VAG.

who does 5k a year???... a more representive mileage would be helpful

​Google German engine failure

I mean, I can claim whatever I like without the facts to back it up.

That's right - the German brands will NEVER have a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty, be genuinely good value for money, or stop having massive engine failure rates.

Don't push it, you can't compare Hyundai with Audi/BMW/Merc
Let's keep it in the band it plays, along with Renault, Nissan, Vauxhal and the like.

I used to be a brand snob regarding Hyundai but that changed about 3 days after my wife got an i10! We tried all the usual suspects (VW Up, Seat Mii, Kia Picanto) but the i10 blew them all out of the water! So beautifully built (in turkey, no less!), very very quiet and a really nice, relaxing drive. 5 year U/L mileage warranty and 5 years full package AA breakdown cover. Oh, and 5 seats/doors (OK, the middle seat is not for long distances but we've used it more than we thought we would and at least it exists, unlike on the VW and Mii).

Soooooo....I'm sold, my next car will be a Hyundai and the Tucson is on that list (along with the i30 and i40). The styling on these cars is up there with all the other makes these days. IIRC doesn't the bloke who designed the new Beetle and the Audi TT now work for them? If the Tucson had an Audi/BMW/Merc badge on the front, car snobs would be in raptures lol.

I must admit some people must have more money than sense , why would anyone who does less than 5k a year want to lease a car. A £4600 run about would last you years . Not so good for showing off on the school run as a pretend 4x4 though :smile:

If not driving a decent mileage then you shouldn't be driving a diesel.

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You can do about 12 miles a day for nearly 5 grand.

Yippee.

Allowed to drive under 14 miles per day........Get real

To get it in band C VED probably...

I wonder why they choose to get such low power out of diesel engines... It used to be 170bhp out of a 2.0 engine with 400N/m

Anyone go this this deal?
I'm in 2 minds
It's this or wait for a decent Seat Alteca 1.4.

Ok thank you.

It's a 2015-spec car. You will receive a 17-plate vehicle.

On the website the title states ''Hyundai Tucson Diesel Estate
1.7 CRDi Blue Drive SE Nav 5dr 2WD [2015]''

I thought leases are usually for new cars hence why I was not sure

But be aware. Some, but not all, lease firms only allow you to have 10% excess mileage.

I doubt 5k miles is much use to most people

It's just a stock photo. This car came out in 2015.

He/she is referring to the outdated photo here >

https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/hyundai/tucson/suv/17_crdi_blue_drive_se_nav_5dr_2wd/71703.html

Was wondering this myself.

It says 2015 in the name, but is that what the current model is called?

is the 0-60 really 13.7 seconds?

is this for 15 reg or 17 reg?

Does anyone know what Hyundai charge for going over your agreed mileage?

Looks a good price with the right specs/engine...possibly most will need more mileage though.