You do a search for any engine 'going pop' and you'll find plenty of results, especially one that's sold in the millions...
Irony is that many people will use VW as an example to counter the Ford engine, yet they have had plenty of engine issues of their own, and I don't just mean the emissions...

​Unless ford pushed their employees to vote no to brexit I'd say half of them chose their own job uncertainty

:smiley: indeed, surely you need 200bhp to go up a hill!
Are you towing an HGV?

Supporting evidence please - or you're speaking through your rear end!

Sure, but sadly (or perhaps not for some people), prices will inevitably creep up given the provenance of much of the goods we buy in the UK.

The second or third link in that deal gives the details for the Titanium 10k deal, and still cheaper.
It doesn't really matter if it's 1.5 or 1.6, I just pointed out that for the same money or less I would prefer a diesel for fuel economy and more torque.
There were definetely some cheaper deals for Focus as I kept an eye on them, and I'm not happy seeing prices creaping up

That deal you showed had a customised initial deposit for the 6k deal, so I would not have thought it would be the same for the 10k deal and the OP omitted the admin fee. So is it really cheaper than this deal? And even if it was, what does that prove exactly? If anything, it is more likely to show that a fresh batch of 1.5 TDCIs have flooded the dealers because of the 1.6 TDCI being replaced (finally).

With more mileage (10k/year)
It is hard to prove what exactly?

Are you comparing this Focus to a diesel Focus with less mileage? It's difficult to prove your theory especially when Ford rose their prices in September 2016 by 1.5%.

Fair point and i guess hard to say. Could be a variety of reasons. Its hard to compare one individual deal from one broker against one individual deal from another broker at a different point in time, as opposed to observing pricing trends across the market.

Just 5 months ago though... not sure if the currency would support theory

The price of tins of peas has went down, yet demand has went up. The reason is effectively the same - competitiveness in the marketplace.

Tablet computers - demand has went up, but prices have went down. Not BECAUSE of demand going up, but because of the economies of scale.

Flat screen TVs. Demand is up, prices are down.

Most consumer items in fact.

Prices have went up for car leasing because of currency variances and softer residuals. The cost of borrowing has went up a little too. All of these things impact monthly payments.

It is NOT because "leasing has become more popular"

I'm not debating any of that - because I'M AGREEING WITH YOU on what you said.

What i did question was your assertion that "Prices went up as leasing got more popular" - that is NOT the reason prices went up.

Please at least read what people put before jumping in with more nonsense.

Seriously - first off you said that lease prices had went up because leasing had become more popular, and now you've said Ford stopped making the 1.6 in favour of the 1.0 Ecoboost as the 1.6 was "too reliable"

I mean seriously? What sort of responses do you expect with nonsense like that?

Nonsense. Here is a deal from just 5 months ago, still a better deal at 10k, for Titanium diesel (see comment 4)
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ford-focus-1-5-tdci-120-zetec-navigation-car-lease-24x-109-60-1495-20-initial-rental-2514103

FFS - car prices went up, because of the weak £ against the Euro.

This isnt difficult?

dude, don't lecture people, if you got something interesting to say, just say it.
Instead of posting a passive agressive sentence to let the impression you are smarter, just give people the correct info and get on with it. Takes the same amount of time but makes you look less of a ****

Well wages went up as well a tiny bit I guess.

And again - right assertion, wrong reason.

Can you give another example of anything getting more demand and as a result the prices going down?
The pound probably has an influence of course, but I remember the leasing deals a few years back, when half the posts were about how nonsensical leasing is, how they would "never" do it etc.

Leasing companies had to give good deals to attract people

I'm not debating any of that. What i did question was your assertion that "Prices went up as leasing got more popular" - that is NOT the reason prices went up.

I went they are all turbo engines. Turbo and reliability do not walk hand in hand it seems
The old 1.6 aspirated engines were too reliable I think, they weren't making any money off of them

The cheapest lease deal for a Focus was 120/month, for 10k miles, and that was for a Diesel as well.
There were a few others for 130 to 150/month, all for 10k miles/year, and all Diesels (1.6 and 2.0).
Total cost over the 2 years was from 4200 to 4900.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ford-focus-titanium-nav-only-135-99-per-month-6-23-lease-10000-miles-per-annum-total-2025616
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/tilsun-group-ford-focus-1-6-tdci-115-zetec-99-99-vat-per-month-1199-88-vat-deposit-2011815
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ford-focus-1-5-tdci-120-zetec-navigation-car-lease-24x-109-60-1495-20-initial-rental-2514103

I don't care how good or bad this petrol engine is, for a two years lease, for the same money, I would still prefer a diesel, better torque, better fuel economy

Ooh, difficult one to answer really. I've only just got it and I'm never one to work mpg out! All I know is that it doesn't use all that much than the previous car which was an Ibiza 1.6 (90 bhp) TDi. The car reads 5, or just over, litres per 100 kms (I live in Spain). Yes, the two-cylinder function works a treat ;-)

Not like-for-like and that was posted 37 months ago?!

This is cheaper than a really cheap deal ..........

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/super-cheap-ford-focus-titanium-2-0-tdci-personal-contract-hire-deal-153-56-p-m-1790901

You have got an overpriced corsa, you're the one who should be weeping!

Drive away my son !

Yup. Deals are more expensive for exactly reasons like this - not because "leasing is more popular".....

Leasing deals are getting ever more competitive - within the constraints of the price of the product and its residual value.

Drive away instead of walk away on this post!

LOL yep, best sticking to well known brands like Panasonic & Sony :stuck_out_tongue:

The current Focus is assembled in Germany. Many things from the continent have got dearer. Since the EU referendum, Sterling has tanked 11.55% against the Euro. Just wait for Article 50 to kick in (if it ever does) for things to get a whole load worse.

I dont think thats true. I think generally prices for leasing has went down as there is a huge amount of competitiveness in the market.

Perhaps in this particular instance list prices have went up and perceived residual values have went down.

I didn't vote them for such accolades.

You do a search for any engine 'going pop' and you'll find plenty of results, especially one that's sold in the millions...
Irony is that many people will use VW as an example to counter the Ford engine, yet they have had plenty of engine issues of their own, and I don't just mean the emissions...

Is fine if the wind is blowing in the right direction.

This award winning engine fits on piece of A4 paper if all the pipes etc were taken off (insider knowledge there) Fantastic bit of kit, would certainly recommend.

Anyone remember the £149 leasing deals for Focus around 3 years ago?
Prices went up as leasing got more popular

As in worst engine of the year? Lots of people reporting them going pop and not getting the claimed mpg, what's left there to make them engine of the year?

Totally agree but a 10 % deviation is more than enough.

125bhp with sufficient torque is likely to satisfy most drivers under most circumstances, they may well never wish for more and even feel they are travelling briskly on occasions......

....but they aren't going to be excited whilst driving, they are never going to get that whooshy, giggly, tingly, fairground feeling you get driving a fast car :neutral_face:

Driving a Corsa? I'll weep for you.

Ford have been screwing their British workforce for years with a string of closures in the last 15 years or so - the Transit van production moving to Turkey, closing the Southampton plant was the last of the vehicle manufacturing sites.

Maybe the fault isn't with the car...

FIL has the 1.6 and it can't do hills

its 125bhp not 125cc

The first one is about Westminster London Borough "trialling" charging extra to park diesel cars. Westminster is one of the most air polluted boroughs in the country, so i take their point.

The second one is for diesel cars over 12 years old, driving in to the london congestion zone. How many people driving 12+ year old diesel cars were paying the £10 to drive in to london every day anyway?

The third one is only an investigation at this stage and sounds like its going to be for specific areas in Aberdeen city centre if it comes to pass.

So if you dont drive a > 12 year old diesel or want to park in specific car parks in westminster or might want to drive in to specific road areas in Aberdeen at some point in the future (ie, 99.9% of people on here) then its a bit of a non story.

Plus lets be honest - the papers make a big deal about things then the government / local councils all use that as a mandate for upping taxes in some way, which leads to more stories which leads to more punitive taxes, etc, etc.

I dont currently own a diesel, but i dont think as petrol car owners any of us can be taking any sort of moral high ground over pollution

If i were in the market for a diesel right not, it wouldnt bother me - unless i lived or drove in to Aberdeen or Westminster.... neither of which likely to happy for very different reasons :smiley:

​does it come with sony speakers or cheapo onkyo ones?

Likely to face extra charges in the future Here

here

Even in my local press Aberdeen here

So what is this 'everything going on in the news with diesel'?
As far as I can see that would be absolutely nothing in terms of leasing and driving diesels.

The difference being our A45 can go round corners.

And handle.

And is quicker off the line.

And is quicker all over the place actually

And has AWD

Dont get me wrong - the VXR8 is a nice enough car, but lets be honest here - its not really going to worry an A45.

Actually, we're both wrong. I thought it was 380BHP, its "just" 376BHP. The 376BHP came with the facelifted model, that came out in 2015.

Pic of one like ours with correct BHP figures...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201701191452242?colour=Red&postcode=l693gh&radius=1500&model=A%20CLASS&make=MERCEDES-BENZ&year-from=2016&sort=price-asc&aggregatedTrim=A45&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1

Pic of ours...



Ours is Oct 16.

Stage 1 remap planned for later this year to 430BHP ish. :sunglasses:

Just for **** and giggles.

Sorry would like to believe you but the amg 45 only gets 355bhp

Don't even go there.

Before that I owned a VXR8 with 420BHP from factory :sunglasses::sunglasses: so turn the lights off on your way out.

Three years running as International Engine of the Year, five years as sub-1 litre engine of the year.

​New on a lease I wouldn't worry too much as you'll be fully warranted but just Google it, many have gone pop.

I'm fully aware that all NEDC figures are not achievable, however, this engined Focus is nowhere near it. at least some manufacturers are within 15% of the figures.

​wuss.

380 bhp from our 2.0. and that's from the factory. :sunglasses:

Nice deal.
Ford moving to Germany after Brexit if Tariff-free trade not agreed. Feel sad for the 14000 British workers now facing job uncertainty.

excellent!! cheers!!

Seems a good argument for a 2 year lease v the second hand option, as you will be well within the warranty period.

2013 Corsa VXR Stage 2 with larger injectors.

Read and weep :sunglasses:

Great price but don't expect anywhere near the claimed mpg - you'd be likely to get 42ish.

My Ecoboost went pop the other week. 6 months out of warranty needs a new engine and turbo. Google ecoboost degas hose. They may have sorted the issue with these later models but my confidence in Ford has been shot

If my auntie had balls,she'd be by uncle.

How is that relevant

Its won engine of the year 4 years running

Get 230bhp from my 1.6

Seems a really good price

Drove the 125ps estate version as a hire car in Spain. Could certainly go up hills and got worse MPG than my 1.6 mk1 estate till I got used to it, but I couldn't manage much more than 40.

Wonderfully revvy however, and not much turbo lag due to its cleverness.

Good if you live in a flat area, not really got the power to go up hills.

These are nice inside but only downside is the EcoBANG engine. Its hardly eco, needs worked hard and a number of them have gone pop.

I'd wait for a lease deal with the new VAG 1.5 TSI.

You missed the one off processing fee £298.80

Nice cars - had a few in this spec on hire and liked them

I drove an ST-Line version with the same engine and was pleasantly surprised. It's true that the MPG figures are optimistic, but it's not all that thirsty. In the end I went with a Leon with the 1.4 (150) engine as it was only slightly more expensive, but the Focus did leave me with a good impression...

I recommend the 125ps variant over the 100ps, if for nothing more than the 6th gear it brings. Very capable car either way for the average driver... And even has enough when the urge takes you to get the heart racing.

Has anyone here used Fleet Prices before? Any good? Can't seem to find any reviews online.

Great deal (quite tempted with this myself) probably trying to sell as many as they can before the tax rise
Also it doesn't include metallic paint either (not a worry personally but some people might like it)