Ford Fiesta Diesel Hatchback 1.5 TDCi Zetec Navigation 5dr
- £110.75 per month (£2658 over two years)
- Initial payment: 996.73
- Total: £3654.70
- Personal contract hire
- Contract term: 24 months
- Rental profile: 9 + 23
- Annual mileage: 8000
- Production status: Current model
- CO2 band: A (0-100 g/km)
I was looking for a small town car as we have a family seven seater and I only travel a few miles to work (but not always by car).
I've driven this particular model before and can recommend it.
This is probably one of the best little cars out there. It's nippy but there is still plenty of torque from that turbo diesel engine.
It was £99 a month previously but seems to have gone up now. It will most likely go even higher in April.
The car includes features such as front-heated windscreen, front electric windows, bluetooth stereo and sat-nav.
Great MPG, nice to drive and quite practical.
Should be a total of £3,842.80 or £160.12/net/month.
- m5rcc
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bringit
18 Mar 1712#15
You should walk
Zontes
18 Mar 179#1
If you are planning to use it for very short journeys, would be best to go for petrol. Diesel vehicles take quite a while to get up to optimum running temperature, and the DPF will soon give problems.
monkeyhanger75 to Zontes
18 Mar 173#3
Most new DPF equipped cars can handle average journey length of 8 miles to prevent overloading due to changes in design (DPF closer to exhaust manifold to warm up quicker) over the first ones that came out around 10 years ago.
Latest comments (60)
joebrett2010
20 Mar 17#59
so how much is the car going to cost to own outright
m5rcc to joebrett2010
20 Mar 17#60
It's a PCH not a PCP. There is no formal option to buy. You may be given the option to buy by the lease company.
m5rcc
20 Mar 17#58
No DPFs in Kias until about mid 2010
m5rcc
19 Mar 17#57
Excited? I'm not. Just correcting your dissemination of misinformation.
monkeyhanger75
19 Mar 17#56
There is a warning in VW/Audi/BMW manuals (i'm sure others do too - this is an issue that affects all marques driven for very short average trip distances) about short journeys and DPF regen advice. As I said, most marques will give you one claim against warranty, giving you the benefit of the doubt that no one told you your obligations to avoid workshop forced regens. Once they've had you in once and explained why it happened, they will consider you advised so future incidences are on you. The car's electronics will be able to tell the dealership your driving style, journey length for up to 1000 journeys etc. They know if they choose to look into it.
The 95% of the journeys you talk of being short are fine as long as the other 5% are regular (weekly) and at least 20 miles at full operating temperature to clear the DPF.
monkeyhanger75
19 Mar 171#55
Clever? They're very good at copying other designs, but usually late to the party and never innovate new tech themselves. How long have Kia been doing DPFs? if they only started 4 years ago then no wonder they copied the right place. :P
Placing the DPF closer to the engine will only help so much - it may be the difference between being hot enough for passive regen at 10 miles rather than 12, it still won't save someone doing 2 miles twice a day from clogging their DPF.
Mighty__Mag
19 Mar 17#54
Why are you getting so excited about it?
ezzer72
19 Mar 17#53
You'll be pleased to hear that Kia DPFs have been in the correct location since day one.
Very clever the South Koreans :wink:
HertzVanRental
19 Mar 17#52
You have raised some fair points in your comprehensive response. Of course, putting petrol instead of diesel is negligence and that must be covered by your own cost. The works vehicle is a Fiesta diesel that has done approx 95% of it's 14,000 miles over 4 years with journeys between 1 and 5 miles without an issue.
I guess the key is that information of operating the vehicle must be provided to the owner in the manual; like fuel type in the example you highlighted. I could be incorrect, but I'd be very surprised if the manual stated do not undertake regular journeys of X miles; I'll take a look tomorrow in the works vehicle manual. Furthermore, the manufacturer would have to prove that it was due to X number of journeys below X miles to prove negligence; whatever X is required to regenerate the DPF. However, as I guess telematic and OBD capabilities improve then that could be possible?
HertzVanRental
18 Mar 17#19
Surely any DPF issues that occurred during the lease of 2 years, that have been highlighted from undertaking short journeys, would be covered by manufacturer's warranty?
smk77 to HertzVanRental
18 Mar 17#21
Exactly. Who cares if the DPF is knackered after 24 months!
Remind me never to buy a low mileage 2 yr old diesel....
matt101101 to HertzVanRental
18 Mar 17#22
This is what Ford themselves have to say regarding the DPF and the car's warranty:
"Scheduled maintenance items
The parts listed below have a limited service life and are either replaced or adjusted during scheduled maintenance operations. These parts are covered by the Ford Base Warranty up to the first point at which replacement or adjustment becomes due. The period of warranty cover for any item may not exceed the time and distance limitations of the Ford Base Warranty.
Drive belts
Spark plugs
Oil filter, air filter, pollen filter, diesel particulate filter and fuel filters."
But it's no fun driving in limp home mode and having to take it to the ford dealer for a forced regeneration.
m5rcc to HertzVanRental
19 Mar 171#35
No - most lease firms have DPF clauses in their contracts.
monkeyhanger75 to HertzVanRental
19 Mar 171#51
Why would an issue which is totally avoidable and moderately expensive to rectify be paid for by warranty? If you put petrol in your diesel car then inevitably caused damage and the need to have the fuel system totally purged, would you expect warranty to pick this up? Same applies for the DPF - if you are doing lots of very short journeys and don't give it the chance to regenerate, when you have to take it to the garage for them to force a regen to clear the DPF of soot then they're going to charge you for this. This can happen within weeks, not over 2 years. The process of DPF clogging is avoidable and reversible.
There seems some ignorance about what the DPF is, what it does and how it clogs and clears, and thinking that if you have these issues you can ignore them for 2 years.
All diesels generate soot, the DPF is in the exhaust system, being a honeycombed catalytic-coated ceramic block. All the exhaust gases (including the soot) pass through it, and the soot is captured by it. When the ceramic block gets warmed up enough, the soot burns off to CO2, and the inorganic impurities remain as incombustible ash. If the car is regularly on a journey of at least 20 miles at motorway speeds then without any additional action, the DPF should get hot enough for long enough to keep soot levels in check (passive regen).
As the DPF fills up, back pressure increases, making the car less efficient. The car has a few tricks up its sleeve, such as post combustion injection of fuel which is burnt in the exhaust system, increasing the temperature, making it easier to burn the soot (active regen) - this really eats into your mpg. You'll be aware of an active regen when you see the idling speed increase from around 800rpm to around 1000rpm.
Current DPFs typically have a capacity of about 150g, but won't function correctly after they're more than 75% full. Over about 150k miles, the incombustible ash level permanently fills the DPF to the point that it is always very full, leaving very little spare capacity for soot to be stored for burning off. At that point you'll need a new DPF if the ash cannot be removed.
There are multiple levels of DPF filling action levels, but generally the car will force an active regen when the DPF is half full, and it will warn you to take a long drive when it gets to 65% full. It'll take action to force you to the garage (going into limp mode and then stopping altogether if you've not done something about it) when it is 75-80% full so that a workshop forced regen can take place (at your cost). A completely clean DPF can become full of soot to the point of a workshop regen being required in 2 to 3 weeks doing a few miles a day with no longer runs to allow a passive or active regen to occur.
If you're lucky, the dealership might allow the first workshop regen to be done under warranty, with a warning to do more miles per journey, after that it'll be at your cost. So this is not an issue you can ignore and return the car after 2 years with - it'll need addressing way before 2 years have elapsed if you're doing a few miles per journey without a weekly/fortnightly longer run to instigate a regen.
m5rcc
19 Mar 17#50
Did I say that? Re-read what I wrote.
The mighty Guardian with a readership less than those who write for it.
Come on now! Are you seriously suggesting that because people do it, that it is both legal and moral?
I supplied actual legislation. You provided a random Guardian article.
Mighty__Mag
19 Mar 17#49
So it is not illegal to remove a dpf. But you are saying people can't drive the vehicle after.
And the guardian report 1000s are.
Maybe ask those drivers.
Zontes
19 Mar 17#48
I am not disagreeing with anything you say, particularly agree about the blatantly poor selling techniques used by many in car sales, further compounded by poorly researched customers.
I am lucky that I am retired, so have the luxury of offering some extra care to my car. However, if I still had a job to do, it would be a pain if my journeys were of no great length and speed.
m5rcc
19 Mar 17#47
And if found to be without one, the seller can be successfully sued.
Mighty__Mag
19 Mar 17#46
I didnt actually say that. But if that is what you are imagining then no I wouldnt buy one to pollute the environment.
I would hope that they are replaced with something that doesnt clog up because people dont travel 500 miles per week.
Its too expensive a job when you travel short distances.
But i could see tons of them on ebay in the future and others buying them without dpf.
m5rcc
19 Mar 17#45
And that's great if you want to faff about.
Sadly, many owners have bought diesels by being either mis-sold or not fully understanding how the DPF works.
DPF failures happen too often because too much extra diesel is being injected into the engine to fire off the soot in the DPF, so the extra fuel sinks to the sump, contaminating the sump oil. Leave it too long and the sump level will rise to a point where the engine runs uncontrollably on its sump oil and can only be stopped by force-stalling it. Numerous engines have blown up for this reason.
m5rcc
19 Mar 17#44
Was? Still is EC law. VOSA have put it as a MOT check, so that check will not be removed. If Brexit is going to be a success, they will still comply with EC law.
It's illegal.
Wrong again. If the vehicle was originally fitted with a DPF (or an EGR for that matter), it is illegal to remove them.
It is an offence under the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Regulation 61a(3)) to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet. Removal of a DPF will almost invariably contravene these requirements, making the vehicle illegal for road use.
It's piece.
So tell me, why would you remove a DPF in order to not drive the car?
Zontes
19 Mar 17#43
Mine will be a distant memory by the time it hits 80,000 miles. Had it over four years and only covered 19,000 miles. Even if I keep it 10 years it will have done less than 50,000 miles. My low mileage does not really justify having a diesel, but it was a cheap car with great MPG and acceleration (tuning chip). But to keep the DPF in good condition I do have a bit of a palaver when it needs a regeneration. But as my time is my own and I live near a motorway, I just take it on the motorway for a blast to clear it.
Mighty__Mag
19 Mar 17#42
It was one of the european regulations. But I guess unless British manufacturers decide to stick with it it would be illegal.
You can have them removed now without breaking any laws for about £200. Im sure it fails mot though if found to have been built with one. Nothig illigal though mate.
Theres a peice in the guardian below.
Replacing DPFs usually costs more than a £1,000 and, as a result, many garages across the country offer to remove the filter completely for a few hundred pounds. Removing the filter is not illegal, but driving a car without a DPF is an offence and particle emissions from the exhaust pipe are likely to soar fivefold as a result.
What you omit is that they all tend to fill up with ash from around 80,000 miles regardless. They can be cleaned by the Ceramex process for £350.
Zontes
19 Mar 17#40
I assume you are basing your response on actual diesel vehicle ownership. I am, having driven diesel and petrol vehicles for over 40 years, the latest spec. diesels require a totally different type of driving technique. Short journeys are crap for fuel consumption, and in the winter the car can take up to 10 miles to fully warm up, not great on a freezing cold morning. DPF issues are very real. I take my car a blast down the motorway as soon as I am aware a DPF regeneration is occurring. If I don't do this the DPF regeneration never fully completes, and I have to drop down a gear to keep the revs above 2,000 RPM for a good 10 minutes, sometimes longer. Doing this I have managed, in four years, never to have any DPF issues. I know for sure that had I not been doing this, the DPF would be fecked by now. First diesel with a DPF I have owned, and the action required to maintain it is very real. Okay if you drive loads of miles down the motorway, but not for general daily use unless you take the remedial action I, and loads of other drivers, do.
m5rcc
19 Mar 171#39
Why would a manufacturer warranty cover self-induced DPF problems?
m5rcc
19 Mar 17#38
Unless you do 20,000 miles a year or more, need a very big vehicle such as a pick-up or a van, or need to tow something, don't buy (or even lease) a diesel.
Mighty__Mag
19 Mar 17#29
Once we are out of the EU we can rip those DPFs off and bin them. Only time ill buy a diesel.
fishmaster to Mighty__Mag
19 Mar 17#30
You'll only buy a diesel car when it pollutes the environment even more?
Obviously diesel vehicles can't be completely scrapped from the roads as there's no viable alternative yet, electric and hybrid cars are no match yet. I stopped buying diesel around 2008 and never will buy one again.
m5rcc to Mighty__Mag
19 Mar 17#37
Wrong - it is illegal to remove a DPF. Leaving the EU will change nothing.
Cameron92
19 Mar 17#34
Is this deal missing the inevitable £200-300 processing fee?
m5rcc to Cameron92
19 Mar 17#36
Yes - it is.
Should be a total of £3,842.80 or £160.12/net/month.
markymark34
19 Mar 17#33
Agree with apocc. Who cares. You might, might have to go once to ford with a dpf issue during two years. Even that is unlikely.
I always find it amusing that people create problems out of nothing in these threads.
It's a brand new car for very little money. Lease it. Abuse it. Return it. Who cares.
Zontes
19 Mar 17#32
As stated in an earlier post: "But it's no fun driving in limp home mode and having to take it to the ford dealer for a forced regeneration"
Zontes
18 Mar 179#1
If you are planning to use it for very short journeys, would be best to go for petrol. Diesel vehicles take quite a while to get up to optimum running temperature, and the DPF will soon give problems.
monkeyhanger75 to Zontes
18 Mar 173#3
Most new DPF equipped cars can handle average journey length of 8 miles to prevent overloading due to changes in design (DPF closer to exhaust manifold to warm up quicker) over the first ones that came out around 10 years ago.
Rich069 to Zontes
18 Mar 17#12
but would you get problems in the 2 years you have it??
My wifes 1.25 i think petrol Fiesta (couple years old) gets approx 35 mpg for the daily school run (approx 5 miles). While the car she had before (a 2.0 diesel c-max) did 48-50 on the same trip-and we never had any issues at all.
Comes down to difference in monthly costs i think.
Apocc to Zontes
19 Mar 17#31
Who cares. It's under warranty and doesn't belong to you!
HertzVanRental
18 Mar 17#28
Yeah, me too! When I picked up a new VW diesel the other day and if the DPF warning light came on, the dealer highlighted to give it a run on a motorway for a few miles, at higher than normal revs, and the relevant warning light should go out.
I assume something similar would be in the manual having this type of vehicle as a works car that does continual short journeys - but the DPF warning light has never come on!
fishmaster
18 Mar 17#27
No bad and hopefully a diesel scrappage scheme within two years so that's £3,654.70 minus £2,000, bargain! I love driving a diesel knowing all those kids and old folks are getting asthma for free.
matt101101
18 Mar 17#26
Yeah, the key thing here is what is the specified service interval on the Fiesta's DPF? The answer to which is not something I know...
The Fiesta service manual is probably available online, but I can't be bothered to find it if I'm being honest! :laughing:
collectorcol
18 Mar 17#25
Yeah, buy a bike! I used to work 3 miles away and cycled every day. Exercise was great.
Recently went back to Diesel. Work 14 miles away, takes me 30-35 minutes, and averaging over 60 MPG.
HertzVanRental
18 Mar 17#24
Thanks for that matt101101, I guess the detail is in the phrase below and I may be reading it incorrectly - but, I assume it is within the 3 year warranty for the DPF?
"The period of warranty cover for any item may not exceed the time and distance limitations of the Ford Base Warranty."
Looking at the Base Warranty the detail is here:
"Base Warranty
Every new vehicle benefits from a Ford Base Warranty that is operated through Ford Authorised Dealers. This warranty covers any part of the vehicle that requires repair or replacement as a result of a manufacturing defect. The part will be repaired or replaced completely free of charge by any Ford Authorised Dealer, regardless of any change of vehicle ownership during the warranty period.
The warranty begins on the day the vehicle is delivered to the first customer."
I certainly wouldn't lease a vehicle that wasn't covered by a suitable manufacturer's warranty from new.....! :confused:
sofiasar
18 Mar 171#20
or often scare monger you over dpf filters.
padamowicz93
18 Mar 17#18
What other monthly fees would I have to consider when leasing a car? £110 p/m seems too good to be true.
GAP insurance?
Graham1979
18 Mar 17#17
It would be free too!
adamspencer95
18 Mar 17#16
a 'long run' would be 30 minutes or more at operating temperature so dependent on the journey, that might be a different mileage for each person.
diesels are designed for journeys like this continually, so ideally you'd want the opportunity for a regeneration as often as possible. it will begin to clog within a few weeks or short journeys so maybe once every 2 weeks? theres no hard and fast rule thats the issue, every DPF is different and driving habits play a large role.
if its a 2 year lease from new i wouldnt worry about it either way but a diesel wouldnt give you much benefit on such short journeys
bringit
18 Mar 1712#15
You should walk
xWaZeK
18 Mar 17#14
The pic is different to website, anyone know the exact model?
Glesgabear
18 Mar 171#13
For a fiver a day, who can complain. Heat added from me.
monkeyhanger75
18 Mar 171#9
Shuwaz: this car would be ideal for the monthly long drives you make (possibly nowhere near as comfortable as a bigger car), but totally unsuitable for the short ones.unless you can get this on a run of at least 20 miles at sustained emgine speeds of at least 1600rpm (motorway driving or similar) once a week, you may have a DPF approaching being full of soot before you're on a journey long enough to clear it. As the DPF fills, the car gets less economical. For your driving needs i'd steer clear of a diesel. I'm no diesel hater either, we have a diesel and a petrol car in our household.
shuwaz to monkeyhanger75
18 Mar 17#11
Many thanks monkeyhanger75 (btw - are you from Hartlepool?). I'm actually considering the Ford Focus deal posted previously for £125 a month. I do like that car but I would prefer something small like the Fiesta.
leitchyleck
18 Mar 17#10
didn't know that! I travel 1 mile to work, diesel car is 18mths old with 9k on clock, looks like I will be changing to petrol or electric next and to think this was my first ever diesel car after 33yrs driving!
Deal_hunter1234
18 Mar 17#8
just wondered i have never owned a diesel but was thinking of getting one. how often do you think a long run is required? and what is considered along run? As i do long drives but not that often, so it depends on what is considered a long run. Thanks
shuwaz
18 Mar 171#7
Yeah that's a fair point. However I neglected to mention the fact that I travel out of town a couple of times a month (business and personal). With work I travel at least once a month to our head office which is a 400 mile round trip. I sometimes take the car and sometimes the train (depending on how long I have to be there).
I know this car wouldn't be the best for such a long journey but like I said, its only once a month and not always by car.
monkeyhanger75
18 Mar 172#6
You're absolutely right and more observant than me :smiley: ...a 2 or 3 mile commute for a diesel does make no sense at all, unless they have a weekly 50 mile run at the weekend to clear it. The fuel savings would be pitiful too as a cold diesel is pretty thirsty. Doing 2 miles to work in one of these from cold and you'd be lucky to crack 35mpg before your journey was over.
Zontes
18 Mar 172#5
My newish Vauxhall takes 10 miles to get up to operating temperature. The OP was talking about using it for only a few miles. Really not suitable at all.
adamspencer95
18 Mar 171#4
true, but they still need long ish regeneration times so every once in a while it will need a long run
monkeyhanger75
18 Mar 171#2
Any other costs to consider like a £200/300 broker fee?
Even without one this is equivalent to £152.25 a month taking total costs divided by total term. This is a far better comparison value when looking at other car deals or lease vs pcp.
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Opening post
- £110.75 per month (£2658 over two years)
- Initial payment: 996.73
- Total: £3654.70
- Personal contract hire
- Contract term: 24 months
- Rental profile: 9 + 23
- Annual mileage: 8000
- Production status: Current model
- CO2 band: A (0-100 g/km)
I was looking for a small town car as we have a family seven seater and I only travel a few miles to work (but not always by car).
I've driven this particular model before and can recommend it.
This is probably one of the best little cars out there. It's nippy but there is still plenty of torque from that turbo diesel engine.
It was £99 a month previously but seems to have gone up now. It will most likely go even higher in April.
The car includes features such as front-heated windscreen, front electric windows, bluetooth stereo and sat-nav.
Great MPG, nice to drive and quite practical.
Should be a total of £3,842.80 or £160.12/net/month.
- m5rcc
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The 95% of the journeys you talk of being short are fine as long as the other 5% are regular (weekly) and at least 20 miles at full operating temperature to clear the DPF.
Placing the DPF closer to the engine will only help so much - it may be the difference between being hot enough for passive regen at 10 miles rather than 12, it still won't save someone doing 2 miles twice a day from clogging their DPF.
Very clever the South Koreans :wink:
I guess the key is that information of operating the vehicle must be provided to the owner in the manual; like fuel type in the example you highlighted. I could be incorrect, but I'd be very surprised if the manual stated do not undertake regular journeys of X miles; I'll take a look tomorrow in the works vehicle manual. Furthermore, the manufacturer would have to prove that it was due to X number of journeys below X miles to prove negligence; whatever X is required to regenerate the DPF. However, as I guess telematic and OBD capabilities improve then that could be possible?
Remind me never to buy a low mileage 2 yr old diesel....
"Scheduled maintenance items
The parts listed below have a limited service life and are either replaced or adjusted during scheduled maintenance operations. These parts are covered by the Ford Base Warranty up to the first point at which replacement or adjustment becomes due. The period of warranty cover for any item may not exceed the time and distance limitations of the Ford Base Warranty.
Drive belts
Spark plugs
Oil filter, air filter, pollen filter, diesel particulate filter and fuel filters."
Source: http://www.ford.co.uk/BuyingandprotectingyourFord/Warranties/New-Car
There seems some ignorance about what the DPF is, what it does and how it clogs and clears, and thinking that if you have these issues you can ignore them for 2 years.
All diesels generate soot, the DPF is in the exhaust system, being a honeycombed catalytic-coated ceramic block. All the exhaust gases (including the soot) pass through it, and the soot is captured by it. When the ceramic block gets warmed up enough, the soot burns off to CO2, and the inorganic impurities remain as incombustible ash. If the car is regularly on a journey of at least 20 miles at motorway speeds then without any additional action, the DPF should get hot enough for long enough to keep soot levels in check (passive regen).
As the DPF fills up, back pressure increases, making the car less efficient. The car has a few tricks up its sleeve, such as post combustion injection of fuel which is burnt in the exhaust system, increasing the temperature, making it easier to burn the soot (active regen) - this really eats into your mpg. You'll be aware of an active regen when you see the idling speed increase from around 800rpm to around 1000rpm.
Current DPFs typically have a capacity of about 150g, but won't function correctly after they're more than 75% full. Over about 150k miles, the incombustible ash level permanently fills the DPF to the point that it is always very full, leaving very little spare capacity for soot to be stored for burning off. At that point you'll need a new DPF if the ash cannot be removed.
There are multiple levels of DPF filling action levels, but generally the car will force an active regen when the DPF is half full, and it will warn you to take a long drive when it gets to 65% full. It'll take action to force you to the garage (going into limp mode and then stopping altogether if you've not done something about it) when it is 75-80% full so that a workshop forced regen can take place (at your cost). A completely clean DPF can become full of soot to the point of a workshop regen being required in 2 to 3 weeks doing a few miles a day with no longer runs to allow a passive or active regen to occur.
If you're lucky, the dealership might allow the first workshop regen to be done under warranty, with a warning to do more miles per journey, after that it'll be at your cost. So this is not an issue you can ignore and return the car after 2 years with - it'll need addressing way before 2 years have elapsed if you're doing a few miles per journey without a weekly/fortnightly longer run to instigate a regen.
The mighty Guardian with a readership less than those who write for it.
Come on now! Are you seriously suggesting that because people do it, that it is both legal and moral?
I supplied actual legislation. You provided a random Guardian article.
And the guardian report 1000s are.
Maybe ask those drivers.
I am lucky that I am retired, so have the luxury of offering some extra care to my car. However, if I still had a job to do, it would be a pain if my journeys were of no great length and speed.
I would hope that they are replaced with something that doesnt clog up because people dont travel 500 miles per week.
Its too expensive a job when you travel short distances.
But i could see tons of them on ebay in the future and others buying them without dpf.
Sadly, many owners have bought diesels by being either mis-sold or not fully understanding how the DPF works.
DPF failures happen too often because too much extra diesel is being injected into the engine to fire off the soot in the DPF, so the extra fuel sinks to the sump, contaminating the sump oil. Leave it too long and the sump level will rise to a point where the engine runs uncontrollably on its sump oil and can only be stopped by force-stalling it. Numerous engines have blown up for this reason.
It's illegal.
Wrong again. If the vehicle was originally fitted with a DPF (or an EGR for that matter), it is illegal to remove them.
Kindly refer to the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Regulation 61a(3)), which states the following:
It is an offence under the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Regulation 61a(3)) to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet. Removal of a DPF will almost invariably contravene these requirements, making the vehicle illegal for road use.
It's piece.
So tell me, why would you remove a DPF in order to not drive the car?
You can have them removed now without breaking any laws for about £200. Im sure it fails mot though if found to have been built with one. Nothig illigal though mate.
Theres a peice in the guardian below.
Replacing DPFs usually costs more than a £1,000 and, as a result, many garages across the country offer to remove the filter completely for a few hundred pounds. Removing the filter is not illegal, but driving a car without a DPF is an offence and particle emissions from the exhaust pipe are likely to soar fivefold as a result.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/17/diesel-particulate-filter-removal-air-pollution-department-for-transport
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/17/diesel-particulate-filter-removal-air-pollution-department-for-transport
Obviously diesel vehicles can't be completely scrapped from the roads as there's no viable alternative yet, electric and hybrid cars are no match yet. I stopped buying diesel around 2008 and never will buy one again.
Should be a total of £3,842.80 or £160.12/net/month.
I always find it amusing that people create problems out of nothing in these threads.
It's a brand new car for very little money. Lease it. Abuse it. Return it. Who cares.
"But it's no fun driving in limp home mode and having to take it to the ford dealer for a forced regeneration"
My wifes 1.25 i think petrol Fiesta (couple years old) gets approx 35 mpg for the daily school run (approx 5 miles). While the car she had before (a 2.0 diesel c-max) did 48-50 on the same trip-and we never had any issues at all.
Comes down to difference in monthly costs i think.
I assume something similar would be in the manual having this type of vehicle as a works car that does continual short journeys - but the DPF warning light has never come on!
The Fiesta service manual is probably available online, but I can't be bothered to find it if I'm being honest! :laughing:
Recently went back to Diesel. Work 14 miles away, takes me 30-35 minutes, and averaging over 60 MPG.
"The period of warranty cover for any item may not exceed the time and distance limitations of the Ford Base Warranty."
Looking at the Base Warranty the detail is here:
"Base Warranty
Every new vehicle benefits from a Ford Base Warranty that is operated through Ford Authorised Dealers. This warranty covers any part of the vehicle that requires repair or replacement as a result of a manufacturing defect. The part will be repaired or replaced completely free of charge by any Ford Authorised Dealer, regardless of any change of vehicle ownership during the warranty period.
The warranty begins on the day the vehicle is delivered to the first customer."
I certainly wouldn't lease a vehicle that wasn't covered by a suitable manufacturer's warranty from new.....! :confused:
GAP insurance?
diesels are designed for journeys like this continually, so ideally you'd want the opportunity for a regeneration as often as possible. it will begin to clog within a few weeks or short journeys so maybe once every 2 weeks? theres no hard and fast rule thats the issue, every DPF is different and driving habits play a large role.
if its a 2 year lease from new i wouldnt worry about it either way but a diesel wouldnt give you much benefit on such short journeys
I know this car wouldn't be the best for such a long journey but like I said, its only once a month and not always by car.
Even without one this is equivalent to £152.25 a month taking total costs divided by total term. This is a far better comparison value when looking at other car deals or lease vs pcp.