You buy an e-ink reader because you don't want to burn your eyes reading for 4h straight on a backlit screen.

The difference between eInk and LCD/AMOLED is the backlight - there is none in an eInk screen, it is exactly like paper i.e. you read off reflected light. E-ink Devices with 'lighting' such as the Paperwhite or the Nook Glowlight light the surface from the top of the screen so there's no transmissive light, unlike a backlit LCD screen.
The two devices are meant for entirely different purposes. Of course you can download the Kindle app on a smartphone or tablet and read on an LCD screen, but doing it for a few hours straight will cause eye fatigue for the majority of people, not to mention the blue light wavelengths scientifically proven to cause havoc with your melatonin levels and sleep cycle.

Wow, what a video, I actually watched it. I'll save everyone else time doing so. One's white one's black and the white one weighs a few grams more than the black one.

One of the most pointless product reviews I've ever seen!

Really not the same experience.

If you get the white one then make sure you do not put too many books on it, as apparently that will make it even heavier.


http://www.geek.com/gadgets/a-kindle-loaded-with-e-books-is-heavier-than-an-empty-one-1434943/

Good Find Thanks :sunglasses:

Not an expert. Is this the latest paperwhite? Is there a new one coming?

Ordered

Wow, what a video, I actually watched it. I'll save everyone else time doing so. One's white one's black and the white one weighs a few grams more than the black one.

One of the most pointless product reviews I've ever seen!

...which in English means... ?

Apparently not what I intended! Thank you for pointing out my inadequacy to me in my previous post, it was not to my normal standard. It has been amended accordingly and you have my sincerest apologies for the inconvenience. :smile:

Do they explain why the white one is heavier?

I hate choices. I will end up not benefiting from this deal because I won't be able to decide between the black and the white.

Get the Kindle app on your smartphone and save £90!!!

I don't need to turn around, I just look down at the £90 in my wallet that I've saved! :laughing:

True, but smartphone / tablet can do more eg. colour, TTS / read aloud, Audible audiobooks, (cheaper) books from Google Play Books etc.

You buy the Kindle and you're locked into the Kindle ecosytem.

You buy an e-ink reader because you don't want to burn your eyes reading for 4h straight on a backlit screen.

The difference between eInk and LCD/AMOLED is the backlight - there is none in an eInk screen, it is exactly like paper i.e. you read off reflected light. E-ink Devices with 'lighting' such as the Paperwhite or the Nook Glowlight light the surface from the top of the screen so there's no transmissive light, unlike a backlit LCD screen.
The two devices are meant for entirely different purposes. Of course you can download the Kindle app on a smartphone or tablet and read on an LCD screen, but doing it for a few hours straight will cause eye fatigue for the majority of people, not to mention the blue light wavelengths scientifically proven to cause havoc with your melatonin levels and sleep cycle.

What did you expect when they are the same device? This video lets you see the difference in colour thus helping you decide which one you might purchase.

There are billions of people across the world who use computers all day long. They don't "burn their eyes" or all suffer from eye strain or have trouble sleeping. I think you've fallen for the Kindle machine marketing.

Not the same experience

It is on mine :-)

https://yotaphone.com/gb-en/

I was gonna post about the yotaphone, it really is an awesome device for folk wanting to have a small portable e-reader, and a pretty good android phone (still very good specs, i just find the firmware is a bit slow sometimes).

But yeah for years i wanted a decent pocket sized Kindle, as the yotaphone does a really great job (shame not a backlight screen) and i carry it around all the time, much nicer than reading on a non eink screen.

Can also.load News apps on there and read in e ink, etc (and browse the net, etc). Yotaphone 2 is great

The main point for me, is that you can read outside in the sun with an e-ink reader. Tablets and smartphones tend to be difficult to see properly in bright sunlight.

anyone reckon amazon will price match?

​Sun?...... Sun? Which country are you in? Snow predicted here tomorrow :confused:

Yeah, that's a good point. Forgot about that. No way would I want to read an LCD or AMOLED screen in bright daylight / sun.

Amazon have literally just price matched!

That phone is REALLY interesting. Even if the implementation of that 2nd screen switching of apps etc isn't the best, I love the innovation of it. Even better is that it's only ~ £115 from AliExpress. I'm tempted to take a punt on it just for the novelty value....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONlogtkYe2Q

Yeah - I saw, I posted afterwards and added it as a separate deal also, in case others wish to purchase differently, I had a large gift card balance, so can use that up :smiley:

that's mothers day sorted :smiley: it's also same price on Prime Now too for the white one.

Not really, especially now as more and more ebooks are being sold without DRM.,

I'd say that the opposite is true. Everything Amazon have been doing over the last few years has been geared towards locking down every e-book sold on the Kindle store with DRM. They even specifically disable TTS to get you to buy the more expensive audiobooks. When I see a book cheaper on Amazon/Kindle, I have to strip out the DRM, convert into .epub and then use Play books for 'read aloud' via TTS.

I work with screens all day and have eye problems and occasional restless sleep if I do it too far into the evening. Bright screens are difficult to disengage from, plenty of studies will confirm this. Kindle is a life-saver for me (but any e-reader will do before people come to accuse me of shilling for amazon)

Maybe it's the type of books I read and where I'm getting them from but I'm finding more and more are being shipped without DRM so are a doddle to convert to .mobi irrespective of where they were purchased from. (maybe companies are starting to notice that most of the major DRM systems offer the protection of wet tissue paper ?)

The only serious study I've seen is this one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22762257 and it suggests that there is no difference in terms of eye strain (unless you're reading in direct sunlight of course, in which case e-ink will be better).

"The researchers concluded that there was no difference between reading an an E Ink versus and LCD screen in terms of fatigue and visual strain. The key here is that the LCD screen has to be a high resolution, which modern tablet LCD screens are. Even if you experience eye strain when reading text on an old, low-resolution LCD computer monitor, you shouldn’t experience it when reading on a modern, high-resolution LCD screen."

Obviously, the iMac 5K retina LCD screen is going to be worlds away from a low quality fuzzy LCD (or even an old CRT which alot of the older studies are based on) with a TN panel and poorly regulated a PWM brightness/contrast range. Equally the Paper White 3 has a much better e-ink screen than the basic Kindle 2016 eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3KUmqoxEs0

There's another study here which leans towards e-ink but as the study suffers from the small device sample size as all LCD panels will not be the same. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083676

On phones, I actually prefer a good LCD display to AMOLED which I find does 'burn my eyes' particularly during low light. Colours also seem more natural that the eye popping colours on AMOLED screens.

As for your phone/tablet, does it not have a 'reading mode' mode?

They still sell Kindles? That's so 2000s.

If you get the white one then make sure you do not put too many books on it, as apparently that will make it even heavier.


http://www.geek.com/gadgets/a-kindle-loaded-with-e-books-is-heavier-than-an-empty-one-1434943/

Thanks OP. I ordered a kindle a few days back from Amazon at full price, after an online chat with their representative they've given me £20 credit

I was going for the one from John Lewis and noticed the special offers that comes with it which seems to be an advertisement that appears on lock screen and doesn't affect the actual operation of the Kindle. Am I right in thinking that this is nothing to be concerned with?

Sorry but that comment is pretty inane.

bought from amazon, thanks

Not really a problem in the UK :smiley:

​Cheers MeesterX

It's not inane - it's fact.

I did have kindle on my phone, but the battery life on my phone is not great, that was the main reason for buying paper white, that and the back light. i have the older Kindle but i need to keep the light on to read it in bed, and it keeps hubby awake. Really looking forward to using it.

6 seconds googling will reveal how much nonsense that last comment is. You can copy anything you like to the Kindle. Any of the kindles.

Yeah?

Tell me how how I read an epub file uploaded to a webpage on a basic edition Kindle.
How do I read aloud using Ivona TTS, articles from websites ie webages, PDFs, Word documents etc?
How do I get Audible audiobooks to play on the basic Kindle?
I've got a load of books on the Play Books library. How do I access them via a basic Kindle?

Gee i should never read this now you making me getting my wallet out from paper White to a Russian phone damn lol

It's not fact. It's opinion.
Unless you're the Almighty.
You're not the Almighty are you?

It's fact.

Do you see millions of people queuing outside Moorfields Eye Hospital?

I wish they had put physical buttons on the paperwhite. I don't much like turning the page using screen presses. Also if you read stuff that has links in the text you end up jumping to some reference index at the end of the book and it is then a pain to get back to where you were.

Moorfield's don't sell electronic ink products.

In any case millions of people don't need to queue up outside Moorfields Eye Hospital when they can find millions of webpages - from all sorts of different sites, The NHS, The Mayo Clinic, Opticians, Peer Reviewed Journals all talking about computer related eye strain.

I can understand that being the Almighty you must have quite a lot on your plate but even so I would have thought you'd know about this....

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Eyehealth/Pages/Eyesafety.aspx

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/eyestrain/basics/definition/con-20032649

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicwvXQlOvSAhWsJcAKHZjjCYMQPAgD#hl=en&q=computer+eye+strain&*

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083676

Sorry. Got bored. You can find the sources though - there are millions of them.

ROTFL!! The first link is the NHS talking about people getting poked in the eyes with sticks, soil particles and amoeba from ponds :laughing:

Explains everything. Suggest you read more, laugh less.
Perhaps it's the eye strain? Might be making it hard for you to get past the first paragraph :smiley:

You're obviously from the 'if its on the internet, it must be true' brigade :laughing:

OK.

Looks like you didn't then, never mind :neutral_face:

So u just install twilight app for blue light, lower your brightness and most of readers have night option with dark background.

Is this seen as a bargain these days? Wow.