Then drive 5k in it and get out

Why don't you just pop into the branch and ask like the OP? Some people seem to want everything handed on a plate!

OP - very good deal!

nice deal.
plus these cars encourage efficient driving, due to range being affected by heavy footedness.
most ice drivers dont care about efficiency and probably could get 15 perc better mpg if they tried.
looking forward to the day diesels are banned and petrols have exhaust filters

It's the 30kwh which can quick charge in 4 hours, full charge from flat in 8 hours, and gets up to 155 miles but will realistically be more like 125ish. More than enough for my 34 mile round commute 3 days a week

I spoke to the Pontefract branch this week, in hope... and they said that the Wakefield branch often get mixed up and combine 3 or 4 seperate deals into 1 that cannot be fulfilled.

The Onboard charger doesn't make a difference here (Just to point it out).
CHAdeMO can charge a lot faster than the Leaf can cope with, but to answer the question.
Nissan says you can go from 0% to 80% in half an hour, but charging is non-linear so the higher you go is the slower it goes. Basically I would work off the idea that a half hour charge is going to get you to about 80%, another half hour would be required for the last 20%!.
The new 30kw leaf will go farther than mine did, but for your 250 mile journey I would probably leave full and stop twice, then charge perhaps 3 times on the way home. So that's at least £30 in charging.
https://www.zap-map.com/live/ <-Click filters, then click CHAdeMO under the connector.

For me it would be a pain. Your car might only need to charge once going, and twice on the way back (once at start of journey). The problem is that sometimes the place your going doesn't have rapid chargers so you want to top up before you head out there.

The 6.6kw charger is also a better option for non-rapid charging public areas. You can find plenty of free charging around - even my asda do it!, but without the 6.6kw charger you don't get much of a boost while doing your shopping (good for keeping the ac/heater running tho).

This is basically the 199/199 deal that everywhere is doing. The difference is you're paying an extra £300 deposit which covers the extra 4000 miles. The bonus is the free service which is worth about £80.

I'm reporting them to trading standards and watchdog for how it's been sold and handled - wish I'd been an undercover buyer :wink:

​Bought my Vauxhall Vectra from Arnold Clark a while ago. Firstly the salesman was about to let me drive away without even paying for the car. Secondly the cruise control kept disengaging. After they tried to repair it to no avail their response was you only bought a £3.5k car from our "value" range so what do you expect? Needless to say I haven't given them any custom since!

I once bought a Vauxhall from a main dealer, had problems from the get go, ALarm going off, engine lights etc, I invoked the legal right to return the car under the new law, and the sales guy who sold it to me refused to speak to me, gave me the stink eye and everything when I was sitting with the manager, he even ignored me when I said hello...

could not believe it, Vauxhall lost my business that day

TBF you wont have a lot to do with them, apart from the one service.. you will be handed over to RCI the finance group, and when your car is due for collection then be prepared to experience...hell.... cars left months past collection date, and you being liable for insurance until it is collected, inspectors charging you for the smallest thing, scratch on a alloy £55, small marks £80, scratches £120...there are some pretty horrific stories out there

Nearly every dealership I've dealt with, across many different brands, are the same. There's nothing special about your experience, I'm afraid.

They move mountains to get a sale, but after you sign everything changes.

It's really put me off signing for any deal with them - what will they be like once the sales gone through and the cars delivered?!

Wow, carnage.

Note to self, never trust a Nissan dealer.

I'd try watchdog.

The margins must be tight as the salesman who sold me the acenta at £179 a month was acting like they were taking a loss on it.....which I doubt

Ordering a car from a manufacturer is really easy, I order many every day. Selling it at a loss of thousands is the difficult part.

You heard it here first :disappointed:

I must admit it's absolutely disgusting imo - I'm going to cancel the order and get my deposit back. They've ordered the car already so don't see why they can't honour it but hey ho! We nearly sold the second car yesterday in preparation for getting it - so glad we didn't!

I agree - even if they just honoured my original deal. Absolutely disgusting of them to pull out when they have run credit checks on me and said it was all agreed. They have offered me another deal but nowhere near as good so I will be going back in to get my deposit back. Don't fancy dealing with them if I have any issues with the car in the future if this is how they treat potential customers. Nissan HQ weren't much help either

I thought it was done! He didn't make it clear that it was "in principle" - he basically indicated that it was a done deal. They have even ordered the car! More fool them. Absolutely appallingly handled

You was never going to get it Jen, as I said in previous posts, none of it stacked up (I'm in the industry and have a very good understanding of how most of these things work).

I honestly think they have made a BIG mistake, and are now using you posting it as a scapegoat, don't beat yourself up x

I got a £179 for 24 months with £179 deposit on a Acenta, I am happy with that, though the dealer told me not to post who he was, so HUKD hurts itself lol

you made the newbie error, when you think you have a deal that is to good to be true, get it done first before posting, you effectively shot yourself in the foot

I've got a good relationship with where I got my lead from in derby. They told me that hands down I should jump on that deal a lot of the deals for the leafs the dealers are losing money on anywhere because apparently the targets for the dealers are so high. But he reckons for that deal posted they were losing £3k.

He even tried comparing an employee deal and it still worked out £199 deposit and £234 per month, with none of the extras. I've since managed to get £500 down and £199 per month but with no extras. I will try pushing for the extras tomorrow and report back.

I won't be going back to this Wakefield dealer, I think signing deals with customers and then pulling them is very naughty. I appreciate mistakes happen but a company of that size should just honour what they sign up to in my opinion.

I will report back on my progress tomorrow for anyone serious about a leaf.

On PCP deals yes. The final payment will never change though as this is a guaranteed future value. Your monthly payments then will come down though. Other choice is most dealers will give you cheque back if you don't wish to put the full trade-in value against the car down. Personally done this myself twice now (once just 4 weeks ago) where I was getting a 35% deposit and 0% APR deal on a PCP plan, trade in was worth more than 35% value so I asked for the difference back and placed into a savings account, know savings rate is not too high but still better the money sitting in my account gaining interest personally for myself.

Fair enough, understand some of the scepticism after how this deal has planned out. What I'll add is that the Smart Insurance and Servicing was what I really had to push for, the rest of deal was pretty easy to get after showing them the Bromsgrove/Nissan Retail offers. The same dealer refused to match the deal in the OP Yesterday. Obviously others mileage with different dealers may vary.

I'm not pulling anyone's leg. The OP of this deal went into the Wakefield leader asking them to match the deal I was given which is £199 down £199 per month 6000 miles (which is all I needed). Wakefield beat that deal as above but clearly they mucked up big time. My deal was originally from Arbury (bromsgrove) Nissan but Leicester Nissan matched it. My original post was altered by the mods inaccurately.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nissan-leaf-30kwh-tekna-down-199pm-2-years-500-deposit-nissan-2620237?p=30122401

https://speakev.com/threads/leaf-tekna-30kw-199-per-month-with-199-deposit-now-all-sold-in-flame-red.30049/page-2

It looks like all the red ones are gone but there are metallic and white ones available for more money

In turn the deals are based on this standard deal at £499 deposit £199 per month

http://www.nissanretail.co.uk/new-nissan-cars/electric-vehicles/nissan-leaf/tekna/none-flex-30kwh/

All these are PCP

Can you still trade in a car even though the trade in value will be far greater than deposit? Dealer would have to give in excess of 6k

Fair enough, i personally don't believe you no offence! But each to their own

Bearing in mind what happened to Jen, I'd prefer not to share sorry :disappointed: It's just a case of going down to the dealer and really really pushing them, I almost left twice in my case. Hopefully it just helps people get a feel for what's realistic to aim for.

I think he/she is pulling everyones leg........... what dealer?

Hello where is this deal you mention? I'd do this. Best I've now found is 500 deposit with no extras

Oh no! Im really sorry to hear that, can they do that to you though considering how advanced your order was? Surely take it up with superiors to ensure you are given that deal, because that isn't fair for you really!

​Where was this from mate?

Same position as most. Placed an order on Sunday, gave card details for deposit but was told today they couldn't honor the deal.

Decided to get the leaf in the end, £500 deposit, £199 a month, free servicing, 8000 miles PA, charging point, free recovery, smart insurance and a good deal on part-ex. Pain to have lost the car/gap insurance though :disappointed:

This is like one of those amazon misprice deals that gets posted on here from time to time. Something gets priced a £13.50 not £135.one person orders it, posts it on here and then everyone orders one, amazon notice the surge and all the orders get cancelled. In this case a salesman mashed together all the best bits of the current offers and produced a deal that seemed to be good to be true -and unfortunately was. Nissan got wind of it no doubt from other dealers and they pulled the plug. It's a shame.
I still think the deal with no extras, £199 down £198 a month, free recovery, wall charging point and £99 servicing is a good one.

So nobody got this deal?

Well that's the last time I put a deal up - cancelled by Nissan :disappointed:

Frankly, it doesn't add up.

This was a loss-making deal for the dealership. If a dealership desperately needs to hit target and needs one more sale to do it, it's not uncommon for them to do such deals.

But why would they think they can replicate the deal multiple times? THAT is what doesn't make sense.

Poor handling of this by the dealer. Despite ringing them twice yesterday to find out what's going on I've still not had any response.

Thankyou lol...use to own a 306 GTI-6 so I always call them that :smiley: loved that car :disappointed:

308 e-hdi

I personally would not buy one for motorway driving, it is the one thing that hurts the range the most, unless you are disciplined 65, eco mode and regenerative braking on.... on a motorway diesel is king TBH as everyone does 80 now

These are city, A and B road cars to me

Look at the Peugeot 308 1.6 e-hdi...official is 90MPG but most people on peugeot forum get around 60MPG which is excellent, you can pick up a 15 plate for under 10K now, no road tax either, as auto trader said, these peugeots are more frugal than a hybrid

Thanks for the comments and they have been helpful.

Sadly I don't think the leaf is suitable as it's around 55-60 miles motorway with a couple of very short journeys local at work. Think it would be too risky for stress free travel.

In traffic it's fine. Slow moving traffic or standstill doesn't make much of a impact on the battery life to me in my leaf. I would say that if the 70 miles round trip is mostly motorway it is probably right on the cusp of possible for my leaf. But maybe in the 30KWH model you may be ok. I have a 55 mile round trip mostly motorway and there is generally 15-20 miles left and I drive at 60-65 on the motroway. When I first got it I worked in Liverpool and lived in Wilmslow which was a 78 mile door to door mostly motorway and I did once there and back on one charge - 7 miles remaining. But as I had a charger at work it wasn't a problem for me. I would not as a rule do over 30 miles each way to a location I've not been before where it might be hilly or mainly motorway. Driving style is a big factor, if u hammer it around you will not get these distances. But I really do love the leaf it's a great car, so lovely to drive. Hope this helps.

Indeed..... all of that financial information should have been given at a later date once the deal was confirmed, the only aspect that was supposedly meant to be checked was the 2 year service and 1 year insurance! Now that it is not going through in its entirety does honestly make me very suspicious as to whether this was done to create hype for valuable financial information, who knows really!

You made the rookie error, everyone makes, and is so frustrating..... Hold ups, traffic, all of those things, do nothing, and I mean nothing, that is why these cars are perfect for cities, when you are sitting in a traffic queue and everyone is using fossil fuels, your energy will even go up, if you have regenerative braking on...

Motorways are electric car enemies over 70MPH, stop start traffic is what the car thrives on, it is the number one complaint from people who worry about range 'what if I get stuck in traffic' and the industry has done a poor job of explaining to people that traffic queues do not affect range at all

Agreed, Harratts should not have taken extensive financial information before knowing whether the deal was possible!

How badly does the range suffer if you get caught in hold ups.

Interested in getting one for the better half but she does around 70 miles a day with no access to charge at work. Worried that in the winter and the possibility of traffic delays could make the car unsuitable.

They took card details over the phone, direct debit details, house history, job, etc etc..... I just hope this wasn't a way of getting financial information out of people further down the line.......

I've also just spoken with Paul. The deal he is offering me on the same car is £500 deposit and £199 per month with only 6k miles and none of the extra except the wall charger.

I spoke to the dealer I got my current leaf from and he said they must have lost thousands on that deal - so well done to anyone who actually gets it for that.

Think I may hold on and see if anything big in march turns up

Finally, got through to Paul the sales manager this morning. This deal is dead (even for all orders placed on Saturday) and Paul also confirmed verbally that for all those who gave credit or debit card details for the £199 deposit, that no money has been taken. I have asked Paul to confirm by email reply that no money has been taken re the deposit.

Deal should be expired.

They may accept this which is £199 down and £199 pm (my dealer did). It doesn't have the extras but it's still a good deal

https://speakev.com/threads/leaf-tekna-30kw-199-per-month-with-199-deposit-now-all-sold-in-flame-red.30049/

Same please can you send it to me. Many thanks

Could you also send me a copy fairyjen88 please, I'd like to try and get it matched if possible.

Mod Edit - email address removed - for your own safety please do not post personal info in the thread, thanks

If you send me your email address yes no problem :smiley:

Direct line with max no claims

Hi, I went to my local Nissan and was told there were no such offer but if I could show him proof he would match it. Is it possible if you can also send me your contract as my proof for him?

Regards

Thanks. £170 is very good. Which insurance company is that and how many years no claims discount?

Subwoofer is really small hardly worth mentioning. Yes the ride is firmer but to be honest the acenta is too soft so the 17's feel about right.

agreed, my only note would be reading reviews, the 17 inch alloys make the ride a lot more firmer, apprantely that catches people out a bit, and obviously you lose boot space for the sub woffer, so just keep that in mind

Yep £170 fully comp for my wife who is 32

Nah.... mine
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nissan-leaf-30kwh-tekna-down-199pm-2-years-500-deposit-nissan-2620237?p=30118091

£199 down £199pm Tekna 30kwh red

When did you get the 179 deal?

mine I reckon, £179 + £179 x 24, Acenta in Red 30KW

Our insurance 7 year ncb is 180, similar to the 1.9 jtd fiat multipla we had before (yes we only run ugly cars).

Top speed is 99/100 limited, it still has power to go faster but the throttle is throttled. However the speedo over reads by at least 10% and the limiter is based on the speedo.

What is the best deal going about now? I only need 6k pa.

I suspect this deal will be around again as the launch of the new leaf gets closer.

just got off the phone to them...same here they can't honour the deal and just said the best deals that they can offer now are the ones they have on their website

Just had a phone call saying they can't do that deal but can do £500 deposit £198 per month on 6k miles :/

Just called Wakefield and they said nobody else is going to be offered the deal :disappointed:

Did you visit the Wakefield dealership or another one?

Hi.went in and, also Spoke to someone today and basically they have messed up big time and are fobbing off with the "seeing if we can get any more cars in"
Aparantly the offer was a mess up and there making a loss so impossible for any other Nissan deal to match ( I rang a few dealerships)
Rubbish

Thank you. Just messaged you

If you PM me your email address I can send a picture of my contract if that will help. Obviously doesn't say about insurance and power point etc but got about gap insurance and all that malarkey

I wasn't expecting a call back until tomorrow. They would be stupid not to offer it as a lot of people will just cancel their order! I'm sure we will find out tomorrow

Has anyone heard back from Harratts today, re whether Nissan have confirmed 1 year free insurance and 2 years free servicing? Its 5pm now and I tried to call Paul (Harratts manager) and he was not answering his line.

We have a Tekna reserved at our local dealer but nowhere near as good a deal as this. We spoke to Dave yesterday about this deal and he said he needed to contact Nissan to see if more cars available to order from them. Our local dealer said they'll look at matching it if we can give them a written quote from Wakefield. Does anybody have one they wouldn't mind sharing please as we can't get one from Wakefield in time now?

my bad, just looked again and it is the Acenta model.....apologies

That's a good deal and roughly equivalent to this deal minus the free insurance (which as the OP has pointed out is a bit dubious)

Dont know, I just know of a dealer who is doing that deal, if you want the finer details I will PM you

Where did you get the £179 deal? Are they not giving free insurance and free servicing as part of the 'electric february' deal which is offered by Nissan?

Nissan are sectioned off in areas so if you order in Cardiff they wont deliver to your local Nissan in London etc, they will have an area they will deliver to, at least that is what I was told, it might be different on brand new as I was chasing a used one

I can get you £179 deposit and £179 for 24 months on 6000.... but none of those add ons... this is on a red teckna 30KW

Tried my local dealer earlier today. "Can't meet that but come in for a chat".
Nah, i want this deal.

Has anyone ordering in this deal arranged delivery to their local Nissan dealership?

Ring them at Wakefield

​why not this same one people being getting this over the phone and confirmation via email.

Ditto :disappointed:

I got in touch with Nissan in Cawley and they said they don't have this deal, not even anything close to this :disappointed:
Any suggestion which other dealer i could try? Thanks

Model 3 mate. It isn't out yet.

has anyone who has gone for this deal also had a trade in?

Thanks very much for the PM :-)

102mph (where legally permissible).

Na, 100mph is easily achievable on the motorway in a Leaf.

What is the next best deal we can get if we can't get this one?

​I don't but the official figures suggest 89.45mph as top speed so in actual world it will probably be less especially up steep parts of the roads. but it's not a problem just was thinking it must be a bit like driving a old 8v car on the motorway as people suggest it gets upto 0-30 in around 3 seconds and then takes another 7+ seconds to get to 60.

Have to say yes just done a quote, why is it so expensive? I've got 3 other cars and this is abnormally high for what it is?

I just called Harratts. As Dave Wright is out today, his manager Paul answered. Paul said they are chasing Nissan and hope to have an answer (good or bad) by tonight.

Yes, I have received deal details by email and Dave Wright also mentioned the Nissan request. I will PM you the email to me. Hope that helps

Just be aware, a dealer who posts on a EC forum, was sceptical this deal can be matched multiple times, and suspects it was a one off deal to hit a target...

I've been fiddling with the Nissan finance calculator on their website. There are two PCP options, 0% or 5.99% apr. The 0% is 2 years only, the 5.99% is 3 years only. So, we should guess the dealer is using the 0% rates. On the 0%, the Nissan deposit contribution is £1,500 and it's £5,500 on the 5.99%. The only way these figures pan out is if you get a £7,500 deposit contribution on the 0% PCP deal. Each 1,000 miles per annum adds £4 per month to the payments on both offers, so 4.8p per mile.

I would so like for my local dealer to be able to offer the deal in this thread! Has anyone been offered the same deal from a different dealer?

It is capable of over 100mph if you really want to.

I do about 65 miles per day and charge overnight on economy meter. It costs me about £1 a day to run.

Hi there
Are you sure about one year ins included in this ??
As i spoke to one of the dealership they are saying its impossible that any one has got that?

It's his day off - he's back in tomorrow and will update us all regarding insurance and servicing then. It's a good deal without that included anyway :wink:

No its if it's badly damaged they replace the battery

why is the insurance group so high on this I was looking at the figures and it gets upto 0-60 in over 11 seconds and has a top speed of 89mph.is it because it could suddenly rub of of electricity in the middle of the motorway doing 70mph or some other reasons.

​hi the muffboy.if u still have 1 year to go wouldn't it be best if u go speak to ur local nissan dealer and suggest that there's something wrong with ur batteries as u are getting around half the capacity of other people u know or was that someone. the comments have gone so long so not sure if it was u or someone else who was getting very low mpg. out of interest why doesn't it cost u anything to charge it do u live in a rented house which includes the cost of electricity within it.

I've been on the phone to them 4 times since this morn. They've promised me a call back twice and they haven't called.

Seem busy.
Dave the guy who sorted this deal is not in today.... so makes it a bit more difficult

There aparanyly waiting to hear back from Nissan re the insurance,service and car availibility

Any updates from those who have placed an order. Is the insurance and servicing definitely included?
Any updates appreciated.

just did my insurance check, Male mid 40's with Wife Mid 30's fully comp £330 upwards....

quite expensive

Helpful - did you receive an email with all the details from the dealer? Also have you received an update on the servicing and 1 years insurance? I have received neither as of yet, however he did reassure me that I did have the option to get a full refund if the years insurance and 2 years servicing is not included (although this aspect was included on Nissan website so pretty sure it is included).

Apparently I don't have enough activity to send or receive pm's!! Don't know how to fix but thank you for trying!

Yes, tried to send you a message, but that option is not available on your profile

The insurance for my Leaf Tekna w/ 6.6kW charger was £350 last year. 11 years NCD.

No it shouldn't be £35k. It should be $35k which in todays rates is £28.2k
Yet another example of UK rip off prices.

Re insurance query. Type Nissan Leaf in eBay and get 66 plate reg number and do a quote on one of the comparison sites. I've done the quote with 3 drivers with one of them being provisional for £800 pa. full NCB. Hope this helps

Does anyone have the deal in writing from the salesman that they can forward on to me?
Thanks

On the internet there are lots of comments re insurance costs: the insurance group of this Tekna 30Kw (top of the range) is 24 and therefore the insurance premiums in year 2 (as year I will be free with this deal) could be quite high. Does anyone have experience of insurance premiums with the Nissan Leaf?

In the unusual circumstance whereby a customer would buy a Leaf Flex on PCP, pay the balloon at the end of the term to keep it then subsequently choose to trade the car in, yes, you are correct.

yes, the battery is owned outright, the net owner gets the car as 'battery owned'

caution with your advice, if you take a battery lease a lot of garages will not take the car in as a PX, Nissan no longer do, and others will give you such a lowball offer it is not worth it.... you would have no choice to buy the battery out of it's lease

Think of it more as "battery bought" = "the car owns the battery".

In such cases, you pay a single monthly PCP payment and hand the car back at the end of the term or pay the balloon payment to keep it.

Leaf Flex models are physically identical, but RCI (Nissan / Renault finance house) owns the battery. In such cases, you pay a monthly PCP payment and a monthly battery rental payment, hand the car back at the end of the term or pay the balloon payment to keep it and continue to pay the battery rentals every month.

I read before that Flex models sometimes actually work out cheaper for 2 year PCP deals. It might be worth asking the dealer to quote for this as well.

I think you are getting confused on that point, rapid charging is for motorway services that can charge you in 30 mins for £6.... I think you mean the 6.6kw so it charges quicker at home and at standard charge points? then no this one does not

No idea, don't care either as the car will have cost me a shade over £3,000 for 2 years. I assume the next owner will own the battery?

So you bought the batteries? How does that work when you hand it back? #confused

You said 50, have a look at zap map and see if there are any rapid chargers at your destination

What paper work do dealers require on PCP deals?

Half way through year 1 we knew it was a problem so asked rci (the finance company that does all these deals) if we could change but they said no

Model 3 not S, should be around £35k when it arrives in UK

​no chance of adding extra mileage payment before it finishes maybe a compromise at 6p as it's in the middle.

​10k more is alot extra. looking at the prices they start 50k+ for the most basic models.

70 miles there and only 30 back.

It has rapid charging.

What it doesn't have as standard is 6.6kW charging. In practice, not having the upgrade means you're rather reliant on charging at home overnight, and on the rapid charging network during the day. With the upgrade, you can top-up a meaningful amount during the day at home or on at the 7kW chargers dotted around UK towns and cities.

Whether or not the upgrade is worth it largely depends on how the car is being used.

By contrast, the Zoe comes with 7kW charging as standard. But 43kW rapid charging is an optional extra. By default, it only charges at half speed on rapid chargers (22kW).

What MpkWh figure are you getting? Would have thought at least 3 even in Winter? I've had my Zoe as low as 2.7, but that's in sub-zero temperatures with loads of short journeys around town and a heavy right foot. Winter norm for me is around 3.5.

If you're getting much below that I'd be looking to see if the Leaf gets similar efficiency, and if it does I'd be checking for any problems.

This doesn't have the rapid charging does it?

​insurance through the manufacturer is always extortionate, try comparison sites

Sure but you could probably have a leaf for another 2 years before the Tesla vapour-ware makes it to the uk.

Leafs come in two battery sizes 24kwh and 30kwh with give realistic ranges of 70-100 and 80-115 miles respectively, we got the former on pcp in april 15.

Ours is a 'second car' to our other car that has a petrol internal combustion engine (ice). Our total annual mileage is 10k. We anticipated being able to do 60% of them with the electric car, 6k pa and purchased on pcp on this basis. We have actually found the elecric car is much nicer to drive and can make most of our journeys despite the limited range and have actually used it for more than 90% of the annual 10k miles. This will be expensive when we return the car at the end of the 2 year pcp - paid for upfont in the agreement exta miles were charged at 4p per mile. Paid afterwards they are 8p per mile. Still with electricity costintg us less than 3p per mile the total cost per mile of the extra miles is still only 11p which s not bad for driving a new car.

For what it's worth I am 1 year in on a 2 year PCP driving a Leaf Acenta 30KW.
I put no money in, it is battery bought and I pay £125.84 per month.
For all those questioning my driving style I am the most light footed of drivers on the road which is why I thought this car would suit me, however the range anxiety means I will never have a leaf again for the foreseeable future! In winter my 17 mile commute along country lanes driving in DB mode takes 40 miles off the range, shocking!

I am one of the first few in the UK to order a model 3, first 10 I think. It doesn't cost that much more cash (10k ish) but is 100x better.

It's illegal for them to do so. Simple as that. There has to be a 2 day period prior to selling gap.

Ps - you haven't got a lease. You've got a pcp. Totally different.

It's tbc - he has to check with Nissan first that they can offer it...I hopefully find out tomorrow/Tuesday. Either way it's a good deal with or without insurance - for me anyway :smiley:

try http://www.newvehiclediscounts.com for some great deals. this is on a bit cheaper just call to enquire.

Good deal but check out the Insurance for the second year. I have max NCB and a garage my quote was for £1800 from Nissan used info from a second hand Leaf Teckna worth only £10000 would be interesting if anyone could post any Insurance quotes.

The above said, very easy to find with a Google search [email protected]

I'd imagine he's too busy for a penpal right now - if you want one, call him.

Does anyone have an email address for Dave the salesman?

Thanks

This is exactly what I was talking about a couple of days ago at work - someone thought I was mad but when I pointed out the costs vs his idea of a Tesla it was very similar/perhaps cheaper.

I was one of those annoying people that phoned in and ordered one. We test drove it the other day off the back of the nissan retail group offer, but this guy was really great - He called me back about 3 times despite clearly being very busy, as we umm'd n arrr'd about colour - in the end we went for the standard red as it's just a 2nd car and there seems little point wasting your petrol savings on a shiny paint since we plan to hand it back after 2 years...

So yea, shout out to the OP who tbh I wasn't sure was smoking the good stuff, and 'big up' Dave @ Harratts who was excellent. Obviously, providing they've actually put my order in and it comes with everything they said - he certainly has all my bank details! Just a bit unsure that they'll actually process the order and it'll work out with Nissan...

I live local to this deal so popped in today.
Test drove and spoke to the guy who has sorted this deal.
The phone was ringing off the hook the whole time I was there!!!

They have none left so have to find out from nissan if they can get more allocation tomorrow. Also need to confirm the servicing and insurance with nissan tomorrow as he wasn't sure it could be used with this deal ( although he said he was 99% sure it will be)

The insurance deal ends on 1st March too.

The car is standard in red.

Never trying an electric car before I was pleasantly surprised. It was quicker than my BMW 1 series!

Waiting for a call back tomorrow to confirm availibilty on the car.

How did it go mate?

This includes 1 years car insurance? Wasn't clear on that

Anyone who called up and ordered? Do you have to collect from the dealer or do they deliver to your house?

Just to be clear, are you really boasting about your Mondeo's 123hp? A whole 13hp advantage, weighed against 85ft-lb torque. Hate to break it to you, but the Mondeo isn't any faster (likely a bit slower) than the Leaf. Neither car could be called quick. Round town though the Leaf at least handles like a rather quick car; it hits 30 in about 3 seconds. As a result, EVs tend to be quite fun to drive.

Really? When I enquired a while back leasing batteries was the only option. Every day is a school day

Actually, Renault have battery leased and battery bought variants. I have one of each.

You can buy if you wish (be pretty mad to do so). Price including grant.
Expression Nav R90 22kW £18,995
Dynamique Nav R90 Z.E.40 £23,445
Dynamique Nav Q90 Z.E.40 £24,195
Signature Nav R90 Z.E.40 £25,495
Signature Nav Q90 Z.E.40 £26,245

You're either out of touch, deluded or a petrol head (or all of those).

We've electric cars on the road now with 300+ mile ranges - granted these are expensive cars for the majority of us.

There are loads of electric variations including phev and range extenders - having the heating on doesn't have to cause drama.

There are now loads of charging points - the only issue now is the connector standards and the high take up on electric vehicles meaning many charging stations can be in use, initially, when you get there. We do still need more of them granted.

In about a year or less Nissan will be releasing a new Leaf with a considerably better range. No one needs to wait 10 years...the future is now :wink:

Though the poster was talking about deals on BMW 118i Sports for example. New tax laws also affect hybrids where if you have an ICE of any kind like the BMW i3 range extender you will no longer be tax exempt. Although off course this car is pure EV.

Yawn.......you do know a tesla only has better range as it has three times the batteries this has, nothing special about its battery type either just tons of them (pun intended), it actually does less range per Kwh and weighs well over two tons as a result.

Not true for electric such as this, they are exempt.

I'd welcome any deals you're aware of for a Tesla that are similar, or even slightly more expensive, to this one. I suspect you're going to struggle though!.

Always was true before but depending on the car this year not so true. New tax laws come into affect for cars registered after 1st April this year and registrations are up prior to that to avoid paying stupid tax increases, especially if you are buying a car priced at over £40K, made myself change earlier than I normally would.

He demonstrated a level of intelligence last seen in an amoeba dropping on the last Leaf thread, I ignored him then also.

Renault only do rented batteries so it's effectively never yours, plus it's a lot smaller than this.

Of course they haven't trolls can't drive :smile:

Liar!!! Get back under your bridge....

​and pay the differnce in price probably cheaper getting 2 or 3 of these and parking them at differnet places on ur route than buying a tesla.

It does seem to be but if you ring the store they have been doing the deals for people over the phone

Might be worth waiting to see what deals Renault can offer with the new Zoe when that comes out. Its 200+ mile range is not to be sniffed at! I was waiting for the next generation Leaf, but that's going to arrive next year and by then I'd be tempted by a Model 3.

Store specific , cold

:wink:

Range crap on this. Get a Tesla.

I'm sorry but you're on a whole new level of stupid.

I get 3.8 miles per kWh so I achieve 92 miles on average from a charge though I have the older smaller capacity 24kwh batt. This is a mix of dual carriageway and b roads. In cold weather the range is reduced by about 8 miles on a full charge.

This is from about 18k miles over 20 months.

​​Have you actually driven one? I had the 4 day test drive a few months ago for the fun of it and loved it. Perfect for a second car for us and if I could afford it, probably would have got one. The instant torque is addictive at first, but once you've got over that and you start driving sensibly you realise how much more relaxed you are at the end of each journey. Seats are comfy, boot is decent and the 360 degree camera on the Tekna is a godsend. Some people don't like the looks but I quite like it especially in white!

I've just read through all the comments and my mind switches to my humble mondeo, i open the bonnet and 123 horses come to mind, my mind then turns to the leaf, the horses gallop off and are replaced by 10 kettles, it's just a thought when all said and done.

Bear in mind Feb is an excellent time to buy a new car, youre likely to get a decent offer, lots of dealers are offering huge dealer deposits on certain models, this is why certain BMW dealers such as coopers are offering a brand new 118i sport for 249 pm and 249 deposit, yet you check the main bmw page and they are offering 249pm with a 5k deposit, same goes with Skoda and VW and I am sure many more... although everything I have found so far is over double the term, and who wants to sign up to a car over 4 years..

It's not based on the 0% deal. It's a discounted version of this deal

http://www.nissanretail.co.uk/new-nissan-cars/electric-vehicles/nissan-leaf/tekna/none-flex-30kwh/

It has some extras thrown in which appear to be Nissan U.K funded extras which under the ts and cs aren't applicable (i.e. Free insurance and servicing) plus some dealer extras e.g. GAP thrown in. It's a great deal.

I'd rather walk than drive one of these...

Why is this deal so far off what Nissan themselves advertise on their website? Using the details given they quote £441 per month with that deposit for that spec with 0% APR - why are they going to give it for almost 2/3rds less without even taking into account the gap+ins? Also bear in mind the GFV is awful.

I'm pretty sure that you can rapid charge at services in about 30 mins up to 80%, and takes up to 8 hours overnight at home but only if you've let it go completely flat so I should imagine you will be ok

​Tesla does not do 400 miles

I was told that it was mainly taxi drivers who opted for the 6.6. (as it was more important to them to be able to charge quickly). Most people generally happy to charge overnight.
I am really quite tempted by this deal.

Thanks. In terms of practical usage, how worried should I be that the above deal is for the 3.3kw charger and not the 6.6?

To the best of my knowledge,it's some kind of frozen water.

3.3kw

Does anyone know if the quote is for 3.3kw or 6.6kw on board charger?

No, but a deposit Yes. This is not a lease it's a PCP it's registered to you, you have the choice to keep or return at the end.

​​looking at ur distance roughly 80 miles a say u probably do between 20000-25000 miles so u probably won't get this at similar price maybe around 250 per month. plus cost of charging if ur in a standard meter roughly around 700-1000 per year. plus say 200 for service costs vs total for years for electric would be between 3700-4000. vs ur old car not sure how old it is let's say depreciation as 200-400. I don't know how old it is fuel 2400 plus servicing around 200 and tyres mot and road tax etc. 400/500. and say breakdown cover for older car 30 quid.so roughly 3230-3530. so not much in it. or u could get a more efficient diesel car which gives over 60+mpg for around 2k. and that that way reduce fuel costs but u would need keep it for few years to make it worth while.

I would probably go for this option if I wasn't too bothered about type of car and wanted best economy for me a small petrol car say a toyota yaris, nissan pixo or say suzuki alot or similar anything that will give around 50+mpg on petrol for around 1.5k to 2k. and converted to lpg for around 700-800. looking at lpg prices in Sheffield and Leeds it's around 53-60p litre so u will get roughly around 85-90mpg equivalent for a car that does around 50 mpg on petrol after all the extras etc.

Is there any initial rental?

​that's true I was thinking about getting a electric car when it is in my price range usually buy cars between 500 and 1500 quid for 5 seater or seven seater need double this price. but thinking about it would probably be waste of money as every other battery operated item I have ever come across the batteries are more or less useless after 10+ years. it's not like u can buy a replacement for 50 quid. probably equivalent of buying a older engine car for 200 quid that needs 500 spent for a replacement engine.

Also shudder to think if one of these batteries exploded like phone batteries have even after so much has been researched and tested what would happen it would probably blow someone's house up aswell as the car.

If it's not me that's paying then it's free, I'm not taxed in Scotland so it's 100% free for me.

70miles what does 70miles? Not this, this can do 120 trying 100 without trying.

These are a perfect second car agreed they are not ready to be a primary car but as for 10 years?? The government will have taxed the ICE off the road before then.

How long does a "fast charge" take? Majority of my driving is well within the the 100mile window but every month I go and see the rents who are 250 miles away so you are right, wouldn't work for me :disappointed:

Tesla does upto 400 miles but the price tag is just too extortionate.

​looking at ur distance roughly 80 miles a say u probably do between 20000-25000 miles so u probably won't get this at similar price maybe around 250 per month. plus cost of charging if ur in a standard meter roughly around 700-1000 per year. plus say 200 for service costs vs total for years for electric would be between 3700-4000. vs ur old car not sure how old it is let's say depreciation as 200-400. I don't know how old it is fuel 2400 plus servicing around 200 and tyres mot and road tax etc. 400/500. and say breakdown cover for older car 30 quid.so roughly 3230-3530. so not much in it. or u could get a more efficient diesel car which gives over 60+mpg for around 2k. and that that way reduce fuel costs but u would need keep it for few years to make it worth while.

I would probably go for this option if I wasn't too bothered about type of car and wanted best economy for me a small petrol car say a toyota yaris, nissan pixo or say suzuki alot or similar anything that will give around 50+mpg on petrol for around 1.5k to 2k. and converted to lpg for around 700-800. looking at lpg prices in Sheffield and Leeds it's around 53-60p litre so u will get roughly around 85-90mpg equivalent for a car that does around 50 mpg on petrol after all the extras etc.

It's 2017 and people are looking at cars with 70 mile ranges and having to decide if they can risk having heating on!
This technology needs another decade of improvements. The last ten years has brought slight range improvements and the odd charging point here and there.

They aren't free someone is paying fir them

At last someone else speaking the truth about actual range achieved, i.e. real world nothing at all like advertised range!

I have a 15 plate 24 kw. I dive mostly suburban roads & like to put my foot down (Lots of fun to drive) I get a realistic range of 80 - 90 miles on the GOM in the summer & 60 - 70 in the winter. (I don't have the heater on much)

Yes it's "Electric February" however there was also "Electric September" last year and if the 40kw rumours are true nissan will be wanting to reduce stock so it's likely another deal will come along.

In theory, the deal that this is based on ends 28/2. I'm sure it will be replaced with something similar though

Interesting - may visit Wakefield to get more info...

Why? This will easily do that mileage

Great deal for Northern Ireland drivers as public charging is still free and there are so few electric cars on the road that it's easy to get an empty charging point (plus the average commute is so small compared to GB).

:laughing:
:smile:
Seriously, this is can happen as a woman nearly run me over at work a few years ago in an electric vehicle (hopefully not on purpose). I had my back to the vehicle as she set off and was only aware of the vehicle at the very last second and managed to avoid her. I never heard a thing until she was nearly on top of me.

Ironically, the woman in question went on to be a safety advisor.:confused:

what he means is (had he done his research) that people think you will use the car like a normal car (you wont) as soon as you realise it is costing you next to nothing to use, you will rack on the miles as you will go everywhere in it

oh, I will give you all a little tip, but you must keep it to yourself, as it is not huge public knowledge yet.... Nissan recently changed the rules on the 'flex' cars (where you rent the battery) and you can now buy out the clause, the price gets discounted over time...

Now this has not filtered through to the second hand market yet, and you can pick up a 2014/15 flex car for £5-7K buy the battery of Nissan for roughly 2.5K...win win :smiley:

shhhh

This is one of the hardest things I've read and tried to understand in a long time.......and I still haven't deciphered it!

Has this been translated from a foreign language or is there a possibility I've recently had a stroke?

I think we should all buy one , plug it them to charge at 6 pm every evening and drain the national grid !

Personally I wouldn't make it to work and back on one charge , so no use to me . I can see the appeal for people who don't really need a car or don't do many miles but for most people they are still a not a viable option .
They are however good for sneaking up on people you'd like to run over !

I would have one of these for sure. but still got until next year with my current PCP. :-(

Anybody who is interested please contact Dave Wright at Harrats Nissan, Denby Dale Ed, Wakefield. I should imagine that this deal will spike very soon and won't be available at such a good price! I also think they are really busy with people ringing them so just bear with them :smiley:

I would LOVE to get an electric car, however I need to travel more than 50 miles in a journey every now and again which makes this unfit for me. ☹️

25
If they've merged the deals that is.....

^ 1 year’s free insurance offer excludes Visia grade and is subject to finance and insurance acceptance criteria. Offer only available in conjunction with the 0% APR 2 year PCP Nissan Finance Scheme for customers who have ordered and registered a vehicle before 2 April 2017. Drivers must be UK resident, aged between 25 to 75 with no medical conditions, have held a valid full UK/EU licence for at least one year with at least one year no claims discount. One fault claim in the past three years is allowable in total across all drivers and no more than one minor motoring conviction in the past five years per driver, all other motoring convictions are unacceptable. Policies are underwritten by Ageas Insurance Ltd. Other insurance specific Terms and Conditions apply, click here or visit http://www.nissan-insurance.co.uk/Leaf-Insurance-offer/T&Cs for full details.

I think he means before going over the 8000 miles included. Once you go over the excess starts making the deals not look as good.

My commute is 66 mile round trip so that's 15k without using it on my day off. Leasing is expensive at these rates so buying is the best option. A 24kw just doesn't cut it and there are no ex lease 30kw ones about at the moment. So for the commute the ice car is still the only choice.

25 - not guaranteed yet, got to wait until Monday to double check that

anyone who wants a (2 year old explanation on the buying the leaf) this is a good video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9m2p_tSRRs

Is the minimum age requirement for free insurance 30 on this?

Whoa! That's a lot of miles I'd hate that. My business is two miles away lol

Yeah, sometimes 150-200 per day, I'm a mobile engineer so travel long distances!

More than 100 than a hundred a day?

Forgot to mention...Westway Nissan Coventry wouldn't match it.

Great deal, I do far too many miles a week to benefit from this offer but have some heat!

​lol it was a joke sorry if it offended you didn't u read may other post I'm in same boat as the other questioner I don't have a driveway or garage.

​the insurance will probably be worth between 300 and 600 quid so may not be to much off a deal breaker anyway for the op.

I live 10 miles away from Harrats Wakefield. I'll collect and deliver for you, for the price of the train fare home. :smiley:

Check your car, I don't think your in a 30kw

Spoke to them on the phone, they're going to call back once they know whether they can honour it. Sounded like they had had lots of calls!

Has anyone enquired whether Harrats can deliver for a fee? They're about 200 miles away from me. I would give them a call but would imagine they are reviewing a lot from this forum!

Thanks to the poster of this deal.

Just got all of the deal details confirmed by email from Dave Wright of Harratts. Ordered the white one for £10 a month more. Paid a deposit of £199 for a March end delivery.

Dave Wright said deposit would be fully refunded, where:

"...if nissan do not approve the free insurance and 2 year servicing we can cancel the deal and fully refund any deposits paid..."

Hope that helps others thinking about this deal.

Thanks very much, will give them a call now ;-)

Think he's doing it over the phone for people- ring the branch :smiley:

I'm not sure that's clarified anything. The op deal is a pcp not a lease. In a pcp the month payment and deposit pays for the depreciation and the car is handed back at the end of the agreement or the "value" of the car is paid to the finance company. The customer owns the car.
In a lease the car is rented and not owned by the customer, there is usually no option to buy. Personal leases are usually quoted including vat whereas business leases are not.
Several years ago when fuel costs made the bottom fall out of the big SUV market, customers successfully offered significantly less than the FGV to settle finance and it is possible that this could happen here.

a good salesman always needs his commission. you just have to sell it to him :wink:

Anyone down south had any experience with dealers matching/coming close to this deal? Thanks in advance

​thay doesnt mean anything ur diesel could be doing 100 miles for thay or as much as 300 miles or anything in between. anyway if u know the mileage and looking at roughly what people have suggested on here the 30 kwh gives around 70-90 miles in winter and 90-110in summer. if they actually use 30 kwh for 1 full charge then thay basically means it will cost u 30 x what ever ur electricity charge is per kwh which maybe anything between 10p per kwh to 20p per kwh if u are on a standard meter or between 5p per kwh to 10p per kwh if u have economy 7 and charge it at night. hope that helps u work it out. or if u don't understand that I would guess ur on around 15p per kwh that would give u roughly 100 miles for 5 quid.

Same perks as the OP? Also may I ask what dealer you went to (or was it done online?) Thanks and apologies for my ignorance, never been in the leasing game

It will save you money because you won't have to fork out the cash up front to purchase the car and car can pay in instalments, you don't have to deal with the cars depreciation and you get all the other perks included with the OP's deal. Never done leasing in the past, but this deal has perked my interest, or it could just be the HUKD affect!

just been quoted £239 for the following
12k
white
chrome pack
as per the above spec

confirming insurance and servicing tomorrow, if its included i will be getting it. happy days

i loved the car when i had a 4 day test drive

excuse my extreme ignorance, but I have never leased anything in my life. these cars are £25k new, what happens at the end of the two years? are you basically renting this car for £199 a month?

I really like the idea of driving an electric car, because aside from getting a new car, and it being good for the environment, id like to save money. but, I own my little Mitsubishi Colt, and I spend about £199 a month petrol driving from Sheffield to Leeds and back every work day, so this isn't actually gonna save me money. is it just because it's a new car that's the draw here?

all I would say, coming from someone who does not live in a city, make sure you have breakdown insurance that will collect you if you run out, the infrastructure is poorly managed, and there are lots of tales of people relying on a charging point only for it to be broken, for example 1 charge point near me has been reported as faulty for 3 months now and still not fixed, I dont know if Government grants have stopped so companies have stopped caring, but make sure you do your due diligence and have a plan B, plan C.... as never rely on a single point charger

Gap £375 not on your life!!! ALA 3years GAP up to £7500 back to invoice and excess of £250 covered for just £91!!!

Edit - also transferrable.

Hmmmm.... Looks like I may have to drive up from essex to get this cracking deal!! See what this website makes me do, Uggs yesterday, car today probably going to buy a cheap boat tomorrow if someone posts a cheap enough deal :-)

It is actually correct that since 1st Sept 2015 dealers should not be selling GAP alongside purchase of car. (1 example below but quick google brings up lots of information regarding it).
Now upon saying that loophole is and applies to this case, if GAP is "free", they can. Or to put it another way they just absorb it into the price and say it is free. That way it is not being "sold" as it is free and included. Ordered a new car myself 4 weeks ago and that was the way it was put through also that it was "free".
Good deal OP if you have good infrastructure around yourself for charging an the option at home.

Read an article the other week about life with an EV in N.Ireland and it was not pleasant reading! Can't find the article again to link but in summary. As a petrol car driver you may see all these charging points as you are driving around or shopping etc, which is fair enough until you own an EV and go to actually use them. Then notice most don't work and apparently for over here something about the government paid to place them all then handed over the running of them to a third party which does not actively fix charging points unless they are reported as not working by a user. People parking in the charging points with a non-ev car. Again apparently no parking rules in force in N.Ireland to stop this. EV points in "private property" where the store says you cannot use without being a customer of the store.
Personally I'd love a EV myself even without being able to charge at home. My work commute is 14 miles return, each weekend while shopping or for my Starbucks addiction EV points to charge in the shopping complex (not that they work according to the article though lol!). So for myself would be ideal and would not be going out of my way for a weekly charge not noticing any time to charge. For long journey's, well yes I would head to Athlone in Ireland quite often, 190 mile trip one-way, well in real life with just one driver do you really do that trip in one go. We would have always stopped before we left N.Ireland for a Starbucks, again EV point there, stopped in one of the Motorway service areas for break further down to stretch legs grab a coffee or something to eat, again EV points. At hotel EV points in the town to charge.

Being the big kid I also just want a car like a Tesla that has a mode called "insane" lol.


http://www.am-online.com/news/market-insight/2015/06/12/car-dealers-have-less-than-three-months-to-implement-new-fca-gap-sale-rules

Thanks. Is this the 30KWH model i couldn't make it out anywhere? I'm gonna try nissan Derby who I got my current leaf from - generally very keen to do a good deal

.... the gap smart insurance scotchgard is all extras about 900 in total so it would be alot cheaper not a hot deal

I used to have a Nissan Leaf and now I have two Renault Zoes.

I'm tempted to go for this deal, to replace one of the Zoes that will be ending its term soon.

There's just one thing stopping me: charging time.

Where I live, in South Yorkshire, there are plenty of free 22kW charging points dotted around. These charge my Zoe to ~99% in ~ an hour. The same charging point would charge this Leaf to ~ 20% in the same time. A full charge would take around 6 hours, if not more.

To get faster charging for the Leaf you need to find a rapid charger and use the 50kW CHAdeMO cable. These aren't as plentiful as the 22kW charge points.

For someone who doesn't need to charge while out as much, this as a great deal. The price / package really is unbeatable. But for someone who does a lot of miles in a day and needs to charge en route, in town centres, the Zoe beats the Leaf.

This offer is based on the £499 deposit £199 pm 6000 miles pa offer
I know 2 dealers have matched the deposit but the extras here are:
Gap £375
Insurance £350?
Smart £150
Service £99
Extra mileage £320
"Scotchguard"
As such it's a fantastic deal even without the extras. The insurance can be had as part of a different standard deal as can the service so it's possible they've joined deals together.
The charge point alone would cost £900on its own

God you are a muppet arn't you?

If you can run a dedicated 10mm cable to your consumer unit. Mine was 45m away near the garage so needed to settle for a 3.3kw, however we charge overnight so no hardship.

Rumours are a Vauxhall badged RHD

Good deal if your mainly using your car locally and your work or destination has charging points.

I do 100 miles a day and regular trips to London 400-500 mile round trips. I have yet to find an electric car that wouldn't involve a trip taking 4 days with having to recharge it all the time.

Has anyone else got this deal from
Another dealer?

Do it if you can. You won't regret it. I
Have a Leaf tekna - brilliant car and you will love it.

The on board 6.6kW charger is £1150 extra and for most people it's not worth it. A domestic 7.2kw charger is only £75 extra but is still worth it for future proofing-your next car may have a 60kwh battery

we were just on out way to darlington to finalise a 12k deal on one of these in the white with the chrome pack. keen to see what these can do.

I know the normal charge point is fitted free, but I was specifically told that the "rapid" charge point cost extra, and in addition the car had to be "upgraded" to accommodate this at a cost of around £700.

So have you signed up without knowing the exact deal?

They wont go public with this deal i can assure you. They cant possibly do that as they will go bankrupt.

In theory you can't......

Nissan and Renault provide and fit the home charging points for free, as long as the cable run is not too long (maybe more than 10M?).

The charge point is paid as
£500 government OLEV grant
£275 paid by Nissan to installer (e.g. Chargemaster)
£75 extra for fast charger (i.e. 6.6kW)
The commercial very fast charger (30 mins) is £1200 and requires a 3 phase supply
The standard car does not do 6.6kw charging

Brilliant deal btw

Does anyone know how long you've got after laying down your deposit and ordering a Leaf to cancel? I'm guessing this isn't an option tho.

Yes, especially after year 1 and with cars with heavy depreciation (a few insurance companies will replace with a new car if you smash it up in first year / pay out new value, others just pay market value).

1. Electric cars - even though they are so much better for health/environment/economy reasons - are only receiving minimal support from the government, compared to the tax breaks oil companies enjoy. £5K is not a massive payment, but it's certainly enough to stop diesel drivers from getting rid of the 65+mpg cars they own now. But that needs to change. Hence all the recent murmuring about a "scrappage scheme" for diesel/petrol cars.

2. Having said that, the writing is on the wall - e.g. 9,500 deaths in 2015 in London were linked to poor air quality, - so London (£13M), Milton Keynes (£9M), Bristol (£7M), and Nottingham and Derbyshire (£6M) are sharing a fund of ~£40 million to transform ordinary street lampposts into charging points. An additional £5 million is to be given to Oxford, Dundee, York and the North East.

I think (but don't quote me) that if there are 4 or more electric vehicles in a street that would use one of these lampposts, you can apply to the Council to be considered as a venue - they want these posts to be used as much as possible after all.

Another thing you could try is to ask your employer to install a charge point (or two!) at your workplace. That way the car charges up during the day, ready for your drive home. Plus they are tax-deductible! Firms that spend at least £200,000 annually on plant and machinery investment can deduct the full cost of a new charge point from their profits before tax. Win-win. :sunglasses:

I'd love to drive an EV but the infrastructure here in Liverpool is abysmal. :disappointed:

you wouldnt buy this car after the 2 year period
I dont think thats the plan here

Right everyone, I've just been in touch with the dealers - 2 of you have contacted them on the back of this post and they are just checking that they can offer the same deal for him...if they can, they are happy for me to "go public" so to speak with the name of the salesperson. They don't want loads of phone calls if they can't replicate it consistently. What he has asked me to clarify is that he THINKS he can offer insurance and servicing but he can't confirm that until Monday (id forgotten had said that). Everything else stands though and it's a lease of car and battery - they don't do battery leasing at this particular branch. Will update later :smiley:

Hi, given your mention of being paranoid: please read reviews on Google for Harrats: please make sure that you have asked every question. The Harrats reviews on Google seem to suggest problems with customer service....

Do you need GAP insurance on a PCP lease deal? Thought this would be more effective for HP

Scotchguard for the carpets?

They have been drinking the juju juice at that price, the depreciation on these is frightening, you can get a 64 plate now for 10-11k

only left hand drive, so DOA

i cant believe it..im seriously thinkin about this deal

Thanks, I have sent a PM

I think this is sounds a great deal, but wonder about these details too:

Scotchguarded fabrics

Free home charging point plus rapid charge

The seats are leather, so what will be schotchguarded?
I was told rapid charge facility cost extra £700 or so on the car as well as additional cost for the charging point.

Hi - I've sent you a PM.

Thanks

I'm sorry Jen, really not trying to make you paranoid I promise :disappointed:

But something else I've just noticed - the 'balloon' on the Acenta is £12,505 after 3 years, but your deal for the more valuable Tekna is just £15,000 at two years, when the car is a year newer of course, and hasn't depreciated as much...

I would expect the end figure on the Acenta to be £15k or more at two years based on the above, so the Tekna should be more again.

More stuff that isn't adding up, hope you can see what I mean.

can anyone direct me to a lease deal on this for 15K miles per annum please? All of the deals I see around are for 5-6K. Plus can anyone pass comment if they have a battery flexi deal if it's worth it or not?

Plus I'm sure someone else has posted further up that they offer better deals on 2 year leases which is what I've got. I'm paranoid now so going to ring the dealer and check there's no hidden extras :laughing:

Well if there is something they haven't told me they are in breach of contract and I'll just cancel - I don't need the car but it will work out better for me in the long run. I can't see anything that I've missed in the paperwork - maybe I was just in the right place at the right time :smiley:

It's around £15000, just a bit more - would have to check my paperwork which I've filed away but it was around that

The Chevrolet bolt is reportedly coming to Europe as the Ampera-E this also looks impressive 0-60 in 6.5 seconds 200bhp and 238miles range.

I still honestly think they haven't told you something, like perhaps the battery being an extra cost each month or something.

This is on Harratts website;
https://www.harratts.co.uk/offers/36/leaf-acenta-30kw

Only an Acenta (not Tekna), only 6,000m per annum, no mention of insurance, servicing, GAP, Scotchguard etc.

Just really doesn't add up, sorry.

If you send me a PM I can let you know :smiley: but yes it was the Harrats on Denby dale road

Congratulations, fantastic car, silent. how much do you have to pay after 2 years to keep the car?

Is the dealer in Wakefield: Harratts Nissan Wakefield? Do you have a name of the person that you dealt with?

the new Nissan Leaf 2018 answer all your questions, normal looking car 200 mile range battery being offered as an extra

it was spotted out an about in full camouflage

Great deal, if the mileage range works for the individual then EVs are a no brainier. I've driven bother the Leaf and Kia Soul EV on hire. They've got some punch, a shame they don't look as good.

I reckon the manufacturers are purposefully holding back on design and cost. For whatever reason, they still want ICE to be their bread and butter or just squeeze more profit out of a niche segment.

I'm sure the battery and drivetrain don't cost them anywhere near enough to justify an extra £5-£10k

Yes

I actually didn't bargain with him at all - hearing other people's difficulties I'm guessing he maybe had commission targets, or maybe my cute baby boy wangled the deal :wink: either way, I thought by sharing this it may help others as another posters deal helped me to get this!! Inevitably every dealer is going to be different

is this on PCP finance?

Have a look at http://chargeplacescotland.org/ - you can filter the normal chargers from the rapid chargers and if you click the chargers it will tell you if there is any applicable tariff. Almost all council's are offering free use (for the time being)

The original poster got a great deal for sure - But...in reality I think other people will struggle to get other dealers to replicate- you may have luck at the same dealer/same salesman I guess. I should know- earlier this week I went in to buy one on the 199 down and 199 per month as advertised in another thread - first two Nissan dealers were in dis-belief about the deal - even when I showed them the official Nissan web page. I then rang up a third to agree the deal at 199 down and 199 deposit and drove 40 odd miles to buy it at that deal. Sales guy wouldn't budge an inch though on any improvement (Didn't expect him to be honest) like throwing in free servicing etc - said this was in effect already at the employee discount level.

That's rubbish. I can get 60 miles in winter with me 24kWh Leaf.

If you are interested just send me a PM - I don't want him getting loads of random calls from people who genuinely aren't interested!

Why can't they sell GAP insurance with the car? I've got the insurance documents with my paperwork so not sure why he can't do that - it's all outlined on my invoicing paperwork too with breakdown of costs. It's a lease so why couldn't he add the GAP insurance?

Hi can you tell me where the "free" chargers are as I have yet to find one anywhere in the central belt.

Me neither tbh but like I've said, I went in on the back of another persons post who got 6000 miles a year with similar costings. Having a look online, they are offering the insurance and servicing as part of their February deals on a 2 year finance PCP deal so I'm just presuming that's been tagged on with it

If you write it off second insurance policy pays the "gap" between what car insurance pays out and what a new one would cost.

It's actually a waste of money on year one as most insurance companies pay for 100% for a brand new replacement anyway, direct line for example.

Fill in insurance to cover difference between insurance payout of perceived value vs the brand new cost

No it wasn't your deal! But I don't need as high a mileage as you do - the other persons deal was on a 6000 mile a year deal which I thought was good, as is yours for the extra mileage allowance you have! I only do 34 miles a day 3 days a week :smile:

cracking deal - as an added incentive, most of the public charging network (at least in scotland) is free and is pretty extensive. Rapid chargers are pretty common now and allow long distance journeys with a bit of planning. Rapid charging "hubs" are also being rolled out. Many areas are also looking to introduce more EV incentives like free parking, bus lane running etc.

what is GAP

I happened to test drive the leaf tekna yesterday in the SE. Was impressed, but our glynn hopkin dealer came no where near this price. More like 350/month for 7k miles with a 30kwh none flex. No idea how you got all that for 199...

Yep an if you include zero road tax or tyres (you won't wear them out in 2 years) one £99 service then its cheapest way to drive.

There are better tariffs too like "economy 7" which gives you 7 hours charge a night at around 6p a unit, I haven't yet worked out if this would save me money yet as the peak time units were higher than I'm paying now.

I know from recent previous experience my local dealership won't get anywhere near this offer. Would help if OP could advise who in Wakefield sorted the deal out so those who wish to go through the Wakefield branch know who to speak to. I'm sure he would appreciate the extra commission too!

If that's me, I maintain I've got the better deal. I'm paying £4429.37 over term, but have 15,000 miles per year.

I've got no insurance or servicing, but so am missing out on ~£1000 of benefit there, but I need those extra miles.

I'm not going to split hairs though, you've got a cracker of a deal too. If you only need 150 miles or so a week, this is scorching!!

I have to agree. Legally the dealer cannot sell you GAP at the same time as selling you the car as well, so something just doesn't feel right to me here. I'm sure I'm wrong!

wow, thats very efficient!
so i am current getting an average of 9 miles per £1. But with this leaf, I will be getting 28 miles per £1.

Any

Not necessarily a power pod, you can have whatever make you like.
The unit pricing is just from your own house so contact your supplier.

A full charge from zero is 30 units but its never zero.

My tariff is 11.4p/kwh x 30 = £3.42 per charge and if driven carefully can get you 120 miles.

Just standard insurance is all you need for a leaf such as this as you just insure the entire car as you normally would.

No idea about rented battery deals such as flex or zoe though as I wanted an outright sale.

I know the power pod is fitted for free at home, but whats the unit pricing?

I was interested in an electric car (Renault Zoe) but was getting silly quotes for insuring the battery during the lease period - more than the cost of insuring the car itself! Can anyone give advice on how to cope with this aspect on either lease schemes or outright ownership?

I'm not sure why, when since time began nobody has been able to manage MPG figures, they're suddenly thinking they will get claimed range figures in an EV.

99% of drivers I see on the road drive super inefficiently. Efficient doesn't mean slow, it means adjusting speed approaching roundabouts and slotting in, rather than automatically just stopping regardless. It means keeping a reasonable distance in traffic so you're not stop-starting all the time. It means easing off when a car in front starts indicating. Loads of small things can be done that overall have a big impact.

None of these things slow you or anyone else down (in fact they keep the roads running smoother), but most seem to think being up the butt of the car in front or racing to a junction is the quickest method.

My fuel cost on my diesel is £20/week. What will the the charging cost for this electric. Never owned an electric before.

Some info HERE. Looks like there are a few clauses to be aware of I.e. Drivers must be UK resident, aged between 25 to 75 with no medical conditions, have held a valid full UK/EU licence for at least one year with at least one year no claims discount. One fault claim in the past three years is allowable in total across all drivers and no more than one minor motoring conviction in the past five years per driver, all other motoring convictions are unacceptable. Policies are underwritten by Ageas Insurance Ltd. Other insurance specific Terms and Conditions apply

I originally went in on the back of someone who had got a deal in Leicester for £199 deposit, £199pm for 6000 miles - my branch just beat the offer...still not quite sure why as I would have gone for it at the above offer anyway! Maybe he was feeling generous :wink:

Internal combustion engine

Has anyone got this kind of deal anywhere in the south region at all? Thanks

It's a Nissan wide offer so I would presume at any Nissan garage but I'm not sure! I didn't ask because I will be taking it to where I've ordered it from!

​I have an 06 Megane dci that I get 71mpg when driving carefully. It's also £35 a year to tax. If it wasn't so frugal and owned outright it would be a no brainer to get a leaf

Does the servicing have to be done at the supplying dealership or can you go to any Nissan dealers?

You have explained that far better than me!!

I agree, until I got a leaf I used to drive too fast and in too much of a hurry. A leaf teaches you to drive properly especially in "B" mode where to drive efficiently its best not to brake so you need to read the road.

That's confusing.

This one is battery paid no payments on top.

There are two ways to buy a leaf:-
1) Outright like in this post where you own both the batteries and the car, with nothing more to pay.
2) "Flex" this is where you only buy the car itself and not the batteries. You then pay a monthly premium (varies depending on how many miles you do) for the batteries. This scheme is proved very unpopular especially in the second hand market.

nice deal.
plus these cars encourage efficient driving, due to range being affected by heavy footedness.
most ice drivers dont care about efficiency and probably could get 15 perc better mpg if they tried.
looking forward to the day diesels are banned and petrols have exhaust filters

You don't pay any extra on this one to rent the battery but if you buy from new and don't buy it with a battery, their rental scheme is £70pm

Nope, not at all, that's what they have offered me! They are offering similar on their website, but don't advertise such a big deposit contribution from Nissan (that was £1500). Im sure the balloon payment at the end will be huge but I won't be buying it anyway

All interior stuff, seats, radio, headlights etc runs off the 12v only so doesn't effect range. heater/air con use the other battery. Nissan call it the auxiliary battery.

I didn't, sorry! The think the faster charger only does it in 4 hours, rather than 7-8 and that's from flat so I should imagine that this would be fine for most people's needs!

Just like petrol/diesel you don't get what they claim either (usually more than 25%) as the real world is nothing like the laboratory test conditions.

It's 8k miles a year and the power pod is fitted for free at home, and extra mileage fee is 10p pm

Flex lease means you don't own the battery you rent it on top, a bit like a part ownership house nobody wants those hence the low prices a battery owned model will cost a LOT more but there are no payments for batteries to make as you own the entire car.

That's odd, I can get 110+ easily without trying, not in Eco mode either. With heating etc on it does 80+ on our country roads.

Maybe you drive too fast?

Depending where you live, not a single terrace in our town.
However the council have a grant system to fund on street chargers, give em a ring you never know!

That must have been 24kwh version, this genuinely will clear 100 miles

It's designed to be a second car for shopping/commuting, not a motorway mile muncher for reps and family holidays. I can't remember when was the last time I drove more than 20 miles on daily basis.

How much is the battery to rent per month on one of these as thats the only catch?

I mostly drive on motorways with cruise control set to 69mph indicated. My daily commute is 20m each way and in winter in Scotland I come back home with 20 to 30 % of battery left and all that with car heated up before departure from home whilst connected.

Seems a good deal on the face of it. My Zafira costs me 35p per mile at the most, including fuel, servicing, tyres, repairs and insurance, deprciation etc.
This works out more expensive, 35p a mile for the rental and charging alone, excluding insurance etc. Remember 9% of the national grid is from coal fired power stations.
Although I would concider buying one if I needed a new car, some great bargains to be had on 2nd hand ones, these cars are one of the worst for depreciation.

​I get similar figures on my 24kw too.

​I have the 24kw and in winter very 75-80 miles on full charge and 100 in summer so I'd say you'd got something wrong with your car or you are constantly driving or in D mode v fast. Try using B now for a while and aim to keep the speed dots to 2 and you'll get a lot more mileage.

Runs all the normal 12v systems and also the charge controller. Just saves messing about stepping down the voltage of the main battery.

The 24kw has a range of 124, they pluck those figures out of the air.

Might look into this...heat

Just been looking at photos of the leaf on parkers (love the dashboard).... but why is there a standard 12v battery?!

http://images.parkers.bauercdn.com/gallery-image/pagefiles/194848/engine-bay/1752x1168/nissan_leaf_050613(49).jpg

Great price! Wish I did less miles. Would love a leccy car.

Voted hot

Well, you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're driving the car...or something like that...

They provide it, there was an excess, if you have a claim, sorry can't remember the figures.

Do you use your own insurance for long test drives? Or do they provide it?

Fantastic deal if it's all as it seems, but my senses are telling me it's not right. Without all of the added extras you have been stitched into (GAP, scotchguarded fabrics - on leather seats! Scratch repairs etc.) it would be about £20 per month :wink:

The free years insurance too...all sounds a bit like there's a bit missing from the sums.

I drive it every day and I drive fast, my only tip would be ignore the regenerative braking and once your up to speed use as little power as possible to keep it at the same speed.

I'm mainly on A roads at 60 or 70 mph

Did you get a quote on the 6.6kw charger version. Was tempted with this but would prefer the faster charging option

That is an astonishing deal. Free home charging point - I presume this would also be compatible with other electric cars too, like the i3,volt etc? Would be interested in seeing the insurance terms.

Petrol alone could cost near £1000 for the 8000 miles PA (so £2000), lets say £3 to charge from full at home for 100 miles. Thats £240 a year. So a £1500 saving there making this equiv to £3500 a year, and thats excluding the extra bits like insurance.

Still got another 10 months to run on the cactus though otherwise I'd be down the dealer tomorrow!

Interested to hear what actual range you have achieved year round, please comment.

I am just back from a 70 mile motorway drive with my heater going in a 24kw Acenta, there is definitely something wrong with your car or the way you drive. Its 3 degrees up here. Still had 8% left. I had a toasty cabin too :smiley:

All cars look the same to me. Most are grey, white or some insipid shade in between. Many are made by the same global corp. Many have the same engines. All sell their vehicles with some ad that tells you nothing about the car because none of them are different from each other. At least this one has something most don't have. It's different. It's a relaxing drive. Done 31k in 3 years. Best car I've had.

what would be the minimum age to get this with insurance?

With respect if you are getting that range then you could be driving it wrongly. I have had 90 miles from. the previous version. This one should get you 110 with a little caution. Charging at a rapid will take 30 mins for 80%.

Anyone recommend me for this or any other deal? Am a new driver just passed ...

I do a lot of miles not fussed with what car I get ..

Yes 155 miles at above 20°c at 38mph won't be a fun journey, you would probably want to kill yourself before you run out!:laughing:

Manged to get the 24kw Tekna for £183 with free servicing and 5000 miles.
This looks like a slightly better deal considering its the 30kw, so I am a bit miffed now.

I wonder what conditions you are driving in and what is your driving style. I have 24kw acenta and I have never seen numbers like that.

The deal is HOT

It has a electric motor.
It wouldn't go 240 miles without charging, you would need at least 2 extra charges for that distance, and motorways that are clear (70mph) also eat the juice up a bit more so you might need an extra 3 charges.
Clearly this is not the car for you, the majority of people in the UK don't drive 1/3 of the distance of the country every day. Charging is quite easy but a rapid charge cost £6 and that will make it on par, or more expensive than ICE (Petrol/Diesel). Some bright spark told me the other day he wouldn't have a lekky car because he might need to drive 200 miles. I asked when the last time was he drove 200 miles and he said he had never drove that far. I got rid of my estate and got a Nissan Leaf. Loved it. Needed to move some stuff around so rented a Van for 24 hours, cost me like £35.. But I could have kept the old Estate and not got the leaf (Hope you can understand why I show this example).

To everyone else, 4000 miles a year is not an awful lot. I know the PCP fee went from 8p/mile up to 10p/mile and not too sure what it is now but you should clearly check!. You can pick up a 2nt hand Electric car for 5-7k (2-3 years old) without too much hassle.

Also the free home charging points went away a few years ago, so you should really check if that's going to be the case for you. Basically the subsidy went too low and now your charged for a good chunk of the "actual" cost.

125? the advertised range is 155! Even that is 20% less than they advertise!

​Yes I just looked at them again they seem to have dropped alot more in 6 months time maybe in another I'll find one for the 2k mark that I'm after. are around 6k 2014 plate thay saysomething about flex lease what's that all about.

good deal i guess but one mega ugly car

​that seems better idea than leasing then I was looking at these just know but the cheaper ones like 6k for 2014 seem to come with a flex battery lease.

​r u sure last time I checked a 2010 plate was around 10k that still too expensive for me waiting for them go to under 2k before I look into getting one.

Theres something up with your car!!! I have the 24kw Tekna and i get high 80s in the winter and about 98 in the summer. Just watched a bloke on utube do 125 with the air con switched on in a 30kw.

I'm thinking of purchasing a 2 year old one due to the mileage restrictions with pcp as I'll be doing 75 miles a day. Can get one from £9k

Agreed - they depreciate ridiculously fast!

You would be mad to buy it as it is almost worthless after 2 years!

I have previously posted on here regarding the leaf, see those comments.
To recap, I have the 30kw and there is a MASSIVE difference in range achieved between summer and winter.
155 miles is utter nonsense, best I have ever achieved is 90 miles in spring with no air con on. Winter is giving me 60 miles at best.

For info on charge rates and times a guy called Tom created a great site leccy.net

​Yes I was joking same issue for me I can't get it aswell due to this reason. I probably could work around it though for the mileage I do but it really hasn't been thought thru these electric cars the massive 5k subsidies by the government could have better been put towards some kind of universal charging points on roads with terrace property as this is really the biggest housing setup in the UK.

It's difficult to say really, however deals seem to be coming up all the time through this website. I'm also getting the feeling that Nissan are good with their customer service so I'm sure they would want to do a good deal for you in 2 years time. Alternatively as this is PCP you have the option to buy at the end

No garage either :-(
Can't rely on some drunk person not tripping on a cable on the pavement.

​not really about handing on a plate when I first read it I thought it was a deal available to anyone without negotiations so was asking to clarify.

Are you likely to find a similar lease in 2 years time? I love the idea of getting an electric car but it would mean selling mine on and wouldn't want to get screwed over in 2 years time.

​park it in ur garage

​What's the real world mileage u have been getting from ur car . I have heard a few differnet ranges from as low as 56 miles on the 30 kwh as high as 150 miles what is a accurate range and the difference between winter and summer is there much difference between the two.

This is a really super deal. I am approaching the end of a 24 month PCP deal on a Leaf and it has been superb, if the range works for you then absolutely go for it.

No idea - you would be best going into a branch. I'm guessing you can get different deals dependent on where you go.

Any idea what the cost would be for 18k a year mileage?

I don't have a drive for parking on, I guess this deal isn't for me

Oh dear! Think I would be too - can't wait for delivery now!

this is a great deal, I'm paying £196 for 12k plus a £1k deposit.......congratulations am well jealous

No, you would have to stop at a service station to rapid charge it - think it takes 30 mins for 80% charge (well that's what Nissan have told me) or you can pop into a Nissan dealership and charge for free. They have also included in the the option to swap the car for a petrol car for a short period of time if travelling a fair distance where the car isn't practical (but I'm presuming there are limits to how many times you can do this). The car charges the battery when braking or cruising but not enough to get that sort of mileage - they boast 150 ish miles but I'm thinking it will be more like 120 from a single charge

SO this has no engine right? If I needed to do a long motorway journey of 240 miles, I couldn't do one without charging, could I?

Why don't you just pop into the branch and ask like the OP? Some people seem to want everything handed on a plate!

OP - very good deal!

​Internal Combustion ENGINE

They've added insurance for a year and servicing for 2. Plus the gap insurance. Unsure about whether I can add another driver yet - I've to confirm that next week

insurance included too? can i add a driver?

Then drive 5k in it and get out

The link is just to the Nissan website as it wouldn't let me post otherwise. the deal was negotiated in store. I simply put this up as it may help the next person negotiating their deal - if one branch can do it then another can. As I state in my OP - I actually went in due to another HOT UKers post to get theirs price matched, and they did better. You will always generally get a better deal in branch I should imagine as they have more the play with. And it was 12 noon so I doubt he needed to rush on his commission by that point in the day

I have clicked the link this isn't listed on there as u state if it's just for u it's really a misleading deal to put on here unless it's available to others seems pointless as anything u negotiate once doesn't necessarily mean it will be given again the rep may have needed to just get his commission through with a few days left tin thw month.

That's why I went for it!! I'm spending about that on my big diesel 4x4 every month, but with the insurance and servicing thrown in it works out so much better - no brainier really :smiley:

​no worries.

That seems incredibly good value for money.

I'm not sure he'd appreciate me broadcasting his email address! It was the Wakefield branch of Harrats Nissan, in Denby Dale Road - hope that helps!

​What's ice mean

tempted

could you let me know who you sorted this deal out with?? maybe an email address ?

It's the 30kwh which can quick charge in 4 hours, full charge from flat in 8 hours, and gets up to 155 miles but will realistically be more like 125ish. More than enough for my 34 mile round commute 3 days a week

I went in asking for price match on a 6000 mile a year contract price matched to £199pm, and asked how much extra it would be for 8000 - this is what they came back with!

Great deal

Sounds good. But I would only need 5k per year.

Yes it is the 30kwh one :smiley:

Hi! Yes it is the 30kwh one

Good deal if it is the 30kWh?
I do 72 miles a day in my 24kWh in one charge to and from work, that's around 16500 miles a year. Add on another 8k non work miles, so 24k miles a year no problem. Charges up fine in the 8 hours I'm asleep each day too.

If only, we got a 24 expecting to do 6k pa electic and 4k pa in our ice this year we have done 700 ice and 9300 electric so we are goign to be paying for a lot of extra miles when the pcp ends in May.

With less than 100 miles range per charge (the one i borrowed for 10 days to test drive only had 75 miles range which in practical term is only around 60 miles as i could not take the risk of its running out of charge and be stranded) 10 hours charge time i be pushed to do 4000 miles per year. So it costs £2500 per year or £6.85 per day.

I've got the 4 day test drive lined up so I'll be using this as a bargaining tool. Thanks

is this the 30kwh battery one?