The headline deals are for 60% LTV but there's a good value 10 year fix available at 75% LTV for 2.64%. However, I'll just talk about the headline deals in this post.
The deal linked to below was a good deal from HSBC which, unfortunately, was pulled last December. It was available at 65% LTV.
However, assuming that you meet the 60% LTV requirement, this deal is much better for one main reason - early repayment charges. The first list below is the First Direct ERC for years 1 through 10 and the second list is for HSBC for years 1 through 10.
3/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2%
5/5/5/5/5/5/4/3/2/1%
Ten years is a long commitment and people can need out of a mortgage deal for many reasons such as divorce or remortgaging to release equity for college tuition, medical expenses or entry to retirement homes. With the First Direct product, unless you encounter issues in year 1, the ERC will be just 2% - which most will be able to handle.
They are not rising. The deals you're quoting are the rates with arrangement fees. I've been tracking First Direct rates for ages and this is the cheapest fee-free 5-year fix ever.
The previous best First Direct 5-year fee-free fix was 2.08% - that was pulled in January and the rate was 2.19% since (until today's drop to 1.94%).
The HSBC deal you link to has comments about a 1.96% 5-year fee-free fix. This deal is 0.02% lower and has lower early repayment charges.
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cadmus
16 Feb 17#1
I need a £120 k mortgage and I own my house which is valued at £270 k ..I need the security of a long fixed mortgage and do you think I would qualify and would this be suitable for me
Master.G to cadmus
16 Feb 171#2
You certainly qualify on LTV but you'll also need to meet their lending criteria: credit score, disposable income etc. Give them a call.
madmaxpayne to cadmus
17 Feb 17#36
You don't own the house if you still have a mortgage
alcopop
16 Feb 172#3
There is no way the OP can answer that, it would depend on your individual circumstances, eg income and expenditure, whether the lender would see it as affordable for you. Etc.
cadmus
16 Feb 17#4
Thankyou :smirk:
mackay85
16 Feb 17#5
Heat added.
Edmundo07
16 Feb 17#6
Do you need to hold an account with them? I see barclays has same rate on moneysupermarket but its only available to premier account holders. I have a 10yr fix set up with current lender barclays at 2.58% due to start april 1st. Want to keep payments consistent and not worry about base rates.
scottishpunter
16 Feb 17#7
These rates are starting to rise, I fixed with First Direct at the end of January for 1.84% 5 years - and then the rate dropped just after to 1.79% as posted in this deal from three weeks ago.
marathonic
16 Feb 174#8
They are not rising. The deals you're quoting are the rates with arrangement fees. I've been tracking First Direct rates for ages and this is the cheapest fee-free 5-year fix ever.
The previous best First Direct 5-year fee-free fix was 2.08% - that was pulled in January and the rate was 2.19% since (until today's drop to 1.94%).
The HSBC deal you link to has comments about a 1.96% 5-year fee-free fix. This deal is 0.02% lower and has lower early repayment charges.
scottishpunter
16 Feb 171#9
Apologies, you are correct I had 2 spreadsheets one with fees one without and I looked up the wrong one.
Rob_B
16 Feb 17#10
Damn, I got the 2.08%in Nov and never thought it'd drop :laughing:
muffboy
16 Feb 17#11
deal
spik3_my_drink
16 Feb 17#12
great deal.Just applied.let's see how it goes...
digipeep
16 Feb 17#13
This looks a cracking deal, feel a remortgage coming up.
ljbutchik07
16 Feb 17#14
Gutted! on the brink of completion for remortgage.. dropped to 0.05% I wonder if they can still adjust the rate I haven't sign paper works from the solicitors
groakybaby to ljbutchik07
17 Feb 17#31
Yes they should be able to . The same happened to me
Scorpion
16 Feb 17#15
Excellent deal, I thought I had a good on 10years @ 2.59%, since I got that mortgage rates for 10 year fixes have risen, due to increases in swap rates etc. With inflation on the up and the US likely to up it's rates, it's a good time to take a long term low fix, things could get pretty interesting once we leave the EU!
spicyhotone
16 Feb 171#16
One thing to be aware is that the ERC is a bit different from many others. It only comes in if you repay IN FULL before the end of the mortgage term, and is based on a % of the full original mortgage at the start of the term.
This also means you can do lump sum repayments as big as you want (as long as you don't completely repay the mortgage) without any extra charges. Most fixed rates limit you to 10% per year.
If you did want to completely repay, you'd be better off leaving a small balance in the account until the end of the term, when you can then repay without any penalty.
Master.G to spicyhotone
16 Feb 17#29
Exactly ... you can pay it all off bar £100 (that's as low as they like to go) no ERCs and a few pence interest until the end of the fixed rate term.
I ask because I've submitted an application to HSBC only yesterday, and that hasn't progressed much so wondering if I should switch.
Things I'm concerned about: Speed of finalising - my current deal finished at the end of the month so I'm looking to switch ASAP.
davidbrent
16 Feb 17#18
5 years at 1.94% or 10 years at 2.49%...that is the question...I've got just over 100k to pay off...ltv just over 50%...what would you do...HUKDeals?
r2mahara to davidbrent
16 Feb 17#19
If there's any chance you'd be able to repay most of the £100k within the 5 years, then go for the lower rate. I'm in the same boat and will go for a 5 year fix.
The extra .55% on the 10 year mortgage is about £500-£550 in the first few years, or £40-£45 per month. your call if it's worth the certainty of a 10 year fix.
Scorpion to davidbrent
17 Feb 17#33
You've got to think about a lot of things to commit to 10 years. If you won £250k would you move house? What happens if you lose your job, do you live in an area where there are plenty of jobs around? or do you live in a small town with limited work opportunities? Do you have kids who need to be in catchment areas for schools going forward? All things to consider before taking a 10 year fix.
davidbrent
16 Feb 17#20
Thanks for reply. Im useless at this finance. Currently overpaying about 200 quid a month with very very occasional extra lumps when I have it..so maybe better with the 10?
supadupasumo
16 Feb 17#21
If you're looking for fast, I wouldn't recommend HSBC. They took 3 months to remortgage me last time. Had good service from them mind you!
pirattitude
16 Feb 17#22
Heat added from me thanks op, great offer for ten year fix with allowed over payments, My only problem is i am self employed and my accountant is not an appropriately qualified accountant set in first direct lending terms. Has anyone following this post got any rough costings to get my accounts retrospectively signed and over-stamped by another independent accountant.
r2mahara
16 Feb 17#23
Thanks for that reply - I've heard similar stories. Mind you I've applied for a mortgage with HSBC in the past and they weren't too bad - I got to the final stages and bailed though.
r2mahara
16 Feb 17#24
If you're overpaying by that much, and bad at remembering to switch then the 10 year option is perhaps best.
rogerk
16 Feb 17#25
We've banked with FD for over 6 years and they're excellent, but very fussy about lending. If you have excellent credit history and can easily afford your repayments you might be lucky.
sazandy
16 Feb 171#26
Good deal, just outside the 60% ltv. Anybody know if these are portable?? May be moving in next 12 months
blueincubus to sazandy
17 Feb 17#35
Probably are portable - BUT you will be reassessed for affordability when you move and they may not be willing to lend against your new place or and potential increased lending that you need. This would leave you either unable to move or having to pay early repayment charges to get a new mortgage with someone else. Be very careful.
Father.Christmas
16 Feb 17#27
10% at 2.49 is low. But is a long commitment to one product. I've just gone for a 2yr 1.54 fee free HSBC mortgage. Slight gamble on rates still being low in 2 years ...... everyone has different circumstances ultimately.
ruheluddin86
16 Feb 17#28
This is not a BTL mortgage thou is it!?
Master.G
16 Feb 17#30
1.64% for a two year fixed.
Baz1986
17 Feb 17#32
I''ll be pretty much on the cusp of 60% LTV by renewal time in July. This is just going by what my house price is currently estimated to be worth on Zoopla. I understand that they'll need to do a survey but worried that this may come slightly over. Would I then be stuck with a bill for the survey if I didn't meet the 60% LTV requirement and therefore could not proceed with the 60% LTV rate deals?
blueincubus
17 Feb 17#34
First Direct are very tight on affordability criteria, if you have concerns you may wish to go with a broker rather than potentially wasting your time going direct. The reason their rates are so good is that they are exceptionally choosey about who they lend to.
spik3_my_drink to blueincubus
17 Feb 17#38
I asked my usual broker and he said First Direct are not on his database. I presumed that meant you have to go direct to First Direct. Maybe I'm wrong. if my direct application fails, I may try and find a different broker.
marathonic
17 Feb 17#37
This can of worms. Before someone else gets in, who's name is on the deeds, etc. etc. etc. :smiley:
marathonic
17 Feb 171#39
You are correct - First Direct have never dealt with brokers and HSBC have only started recently offering their products through some brokers.
A large number of applications for credit in a short space of time can hinder a mortgage application - but a single application to a lender that doesn't deal through brokers should have little, to no, impact.
When getting my current mortgage through First Direct, the intention was always one direct application followed by going the broker route if unsuccessful - but I was successful and am currently on a lifetime tracker at a current rate of 1.54% (and considering the 1.94% 5-year fix on offer here).
blueincubus
17 Feb 171#40
Apologies you are quite right First Direct & HSBC only allow direct applications - ignore me. They're worth a try, but they are super tight - they offered me £120k less than other lenders. If your broker is trully whole market - i.e. someone you pay a fee to use that doesn't take commission then they sholud be able to advise broadly on the likelyhood of being accepted by FD - but yes you would need to apply direct.
talksalot81
18 Feb 17#41
We are just finalising, waiting on final letter of offer (not on the fee saver - before this the fee saver was way too costly). So we are hopeful that they will amend accordingly!
whatyadoinsucka
18 Feb 17#42
The five year HSBC fix rate came in a couple of weeks ago, is agreed 2.25 mid jan and then a 15 min call got my rate down to 1.94% .
One thing to note. Erc on anything over 10% each year, not unlimited as per some comments above
marathonic to whatyadoinsucka
18 Feb 17#43
Correct me if I'm wrong but were you a First Direct customer on their Base + 1.29% lifetime tracker before now? It was you that posted that deal a long time back.
If so, what made you decide to leave the lifetime tracker and why didn't you stay with First Direct who offer the same rate with a lower follow-on, lower ERCs and better allowances for overpayments?
I ask because I'm also on the above tracker but considering a fix.
whatyadoinsucka
18 Feb 171#44
Yeah it could have been me, a Good few years ago, I never went to first direct I was/still am on a similar HSBC life time tracker.
In short, just in the process of moving house and HSBC allow us to port the current outstanding mortgage and its tracker rate and get the difference on a fix, I decided for the additional mortgage required, that at only £12-14 a month for 5 years, we'd get the fix on a slightly higher rate, than have it all on the same rate tracker.
we will hopefully pay off 10% pa on the fix for the next 5 years unless rates go up, in which case we will reduce the lifetime tracker instead..
Weve been chipping away at the mortgage and so the lifetime tracker has worked really well , especially as base rates have stayed low, it's gonna be turbulent few years, so I'm err'ing on the side of caution ..
marathonic
18 Feb 17#45
There is a lot of uncertainty, that's for sure. A 0.4% premium over my current lifetime tracker rate of 1.54% seems a small price to pay for 5 years of fixed payments. However, my mortgage is relatively low and I could withstand a rise of a few percent.
It's really all a bit of a gamble as most analysts seem to believe we're not due a rise until late 2018 or even 2019. If they rise by 0.5% over the 5 years, my rate will still only be 2.04% and I'll have made savings in the meantime :smiley:
I think I'll just sit tight, but keep a close eye on things ready to pounce on a fix if things change.
whatyadoinsucka
19 Feb 17#46
Definately a tough call, just ensure you are ready to apply if and when rates start moving, with a low mortgage outstanding probably best to stay on the tracker imho,
as you have said less penalties and flexibility is better, rates aren't gonna jump massively anyway.
marathonic
29 Jun 17#47
These rates are still available and I've just made the call to make the jump from my First Direct tracker.
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Opening post
The deal linked to below was a good deal from HSBC which, unfortunately, was pulled last December. It was available at 65% LTV.
However, assuming that you meet the 60% LTV requirement, this deal is much better for one main reason - early repayment charges. The first list below is the First Direct ERC for years 1 through 10 and the second list is for HSBC for years 1 through 10.
3/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2%
5/5/5/5/5/5/4/3/2/1%
Ten years is a long commitment and people can need out of a mortgage deal for many reasons such as divorce or remortgaging to release equity for college tuition, medical expenses or entry to retirement homes. With the First Direct product, unless you encounter issues in year 1, the ERC will be just 2% - which most will be able to handle.
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The previous best First Direct 5-year fee-free fix was 2.08% - that was pulled in January and the rate was 2.19% since (until today's drop to 1.94%).
The HSBC deal you link to has comments about a 1.96% 5-year fee-free fix. This deal is 0.02% lower and has lower early repayment charges.
All comments (47)
The previous best First Direct 5-year fee-free fix was 2.08% - that was pulled in January and the rate was 2.19% since (until today's drop to 1.94%).
The HSBC deal you link to has comments about a 1.96% 5-year fee-free fix. This deal is 0.02% lower and has lower early repayment charges.
This also means you can do lump sum repayments as big as you want (as long as you don't completely repay the mortgage) without any extra charges. Most fixed rates limit you to 10% per year.
If you did want to completely repay, you'd be better off leaving a small balance in the account until the end of the term, when you can then repay without any penalty.
https://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/mortgages/products?pcode=A004048382000000000000000000
I ask because I've submitted an application to HSBC only yesterday, and that hasn't progressed much so wondering if I should switch.
Things I'm concerned about: Speed of finalising - my current deal finished at the end of the month so I'm looking to switch ASAP.
The extra .55% on the 10 year mortgage is about £500-£550 in the first few years, or £40-£45 per month. your call if it's worth the certainty of a 10 year fix.
A large number of applications for credit in a short space of time can hinder a mortgage application - but a single application to a lender that doesn't deal through brokers should have little, to no, impact.
When getting my current mortgage through First Direct, the intention was always one direct application followed by going the broker route if unsuccessful - but I was successful and am currently on a lifetime tracker at a current rate of 1.54% (and considering the 1.94% 5-year fix on offer here).
One thing to note. Erc on anything over 10% each year, not unlimited as per some comments above
If so, what made you decide to leave the lifetime tracker and why didn't you stay with First Direct who offer the same rate with a lower follow-on, lower ERCs and better allowances for overpayments?
I ask because I'm also on the above tracker but considering a fix.
In short, just in the process of moving house and HSBC allow us to port the current outstanding mortgage and its tracker rate and get the difference on a fix, I decided for the additional mortgage required, that at only £12-14 a month for 5 years, we'd get the fix on a slightly higher rate, than have it all on the same rate tracker.
we will hopefully pay off 10% pa on the fix for the next 5 years unless rates go up, in which case we will reduce the lifetime tracker instead..
Weve been chipping away at the mortgage and so the lifetime tracker has worked really well , especially as base rates have stayed low, it's gonna be turbulent few years, so I'm err'ing on the side of caution ..
It's really all a bit of a gamble as most analysts seem to believe we're not due a rise until late 2018 or even 2019. If they rise by 0.5% over the 5 years, my rate will still only be 2.04% and I'll have made savings in the meantime :smiley:
I think I'll just sit tight, but keep a close eye on things ready to pounce on a fix if things change.
as you have said less penalties and flexibility is better, rates aren't gonna jump massively anyway.