Differences between the P7.2 and T7M:

P7.2
High Power, 250 lumens
Low Power, 40 lumens
Boost, 320 lumens

T7M
High Power, 300 lumens
Low Power, 40 lumens
Boost, 400 lumens
Zoom lens lock.
Glass-breaking tail cap.
Constant or run down energy modes.
Variable Dim, Blink, SOS and Strobe functions.
Use of high current rechargeables (NiMH) is supported

They have the same zoom lens, IPX4 water resistance, case and lanyard.

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OK so you’re easily amused :smiley:

aaa's ? how amusing

opinions everyone?

Got it last time it was cheap, great torch.

LED Lenser do an R range which have Li-ion batteries and are more expensive than this. Of course you then need a charger / power bank / solar panel / hand crank, and a 4-5 hours charging time. But the choice is there depending on your requirements.

Cue discussion of cheap Chinese clones and more expensive alternatives which are twice the price...

Anybody know the difference between this and the P7.2 from last week?

A lumin rating would be helpful...

Differences between the P7.2 and T7M:

P7.2
High Power, 250 lumens
Low Power, 40 lumens
Boost, 320 lumens

T7M
High Power, 300 lumens
Low Power, 40 lumens
Boost, 400 lumens
Zoom lens lock.
Glass-breaking tail cap.
Constant or run down energy modes.
Variable Dim, Blink, SOS and Strobe functions.
Use of high current rechargeables (NiMH) is supported

They have the same zoom lens, IPX4 water resistance, case and lanyard.

​Excellent thank you. I bought the P7.2 last week when it was on offer but think I may send it back and get this one for an extra couple of quid.

You get slightly higher lumens, but slightly lower run times. So it really depends on if the extra functions are useful to you.

Does tactical just mean it is heavy enough to rattle across somebody's head?

What's a high current NiMH? Just got the p7.2 and it warns against using high current batteries and accumulators (?) So got to be something greater than 1.5v I guess?

That's the voltage. Current is amps. A high current AAA NiMH would be rated around 1000 mAh. The T7M has extra power control circuitry so it can cope with a wider range of batteries. Some people use rechargeables in the P7.2 but there is a slight risk.

Of course! Sorry in a mad rush .thanks

​I think tactical just means it can be used as a sort of club if need be. Theres a smaller led lenser flashlight which is even brighter and lighter than this, and basically superior in every way as long as you're not fighting burglars with it

Bought something that looks exactly the same, a "cree" torch from China for £1.99 and its great. Can't see this being any brighter or last any longer, considering it's almost certainly made in China too

Don't need one of these. Got one thanks

Ordered thanks!

Just an observation at a glance....

The Cree you've linked - 'Output bright can come to 140 lumens (MAX)'

The T7M posted - Max 400 lumens

I've bought the T7M to see what its all about :-)

It would be great if things like that are issued, they often aren't and what you get is usually pretty rotten. Remember police and military equipment is provided by the lowest bidder, and the police don't even get that much a lot of their kit they are personally responsible for buying(boots etc being the most common one)

So slightly brighter - which doesn't show much extra - is worth paying 10-12 times as much ?

I've bought the cheaper torches, yes some are bright and a lot cheaper however some have reliability issues. I've had one with the zoom break and another where the switch wouldn't always work.
So I gave up and bought one of these, been using it for over a year on a daily basis with no reliability issues whatsoever and the build quality is great

Well 3.5 times more expensive and around 3 times brighter. You also get a proper zooming spot rather than the weird square blob you get with the cheap copies.

I have the Lenser and a cheap chinese one.
Link for the Chinese one is here:-
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The Chinese one is very good, can use 3 different kinds of batteries but the rubber switch on the rear is rubbish and can be a faff selecting the right mode. Reckon that will be the first thing to fail.
I use that torch as my main torch and keep the Lenser for when I go cat burgling. Can't be faffing around with a switch when looking for a quick exit then having a seizure because you selected strobe.

personally i went for the last one 7.2, being cheaper and most importantly lighter at 100grams. this i think is 180grams. the small light gain is not tipping the balance for me

I don't really understand all this "lumens" business. I have two torches - the 140 lumens one I linked to above, and a 700 lumens torch - and my 140 lumens cree torch is way brighter. :confused:

Guess I'll find out!

Me either, I was just comparing two values and not answering your original question of appeal of a torch.

The appeal for me is: its not a Chinese brand and seems to be a well recognised brand.

Although I'm tempted by the amount of positive feedback for the Chinese torches.

There are industry testing standards but some of the no name torches get a little inventive with their claims. £3 torch that does 3500 lumens :laughing:
Side-by-side testing reveals otherwise, as you have found.

Seems to me you're trying to justify unnecessary expenditure. I know - Ive done it before myself ! :laughing:

Also, the cheap Chinese CREE torches almost certainly do not have actual CREE LEDs. Loads of different lights on eBay claim to have CREE LEDs and 60000 lumens etc etc, but Chinese companies making proper CREE torches charge a pretty penny for them under brands that aren't well known. So there must be a reason why the eBay ones can be a fraction of the cost and claim to be just as powerful or more powerful. Usually it's because they don't even make a fraction of the light output that they claim and are made very poorly.

It's like somebody thinking their Dacia 4x4 is a luxury vehicle and rolling up next to a Range Rover and claiming to have bought the exact same thing for a fraction of the price. Sure, it has 4 wheels and can go off road, but sit in the Range Rover and it'll be very apparent that it's not the same thing.

Having bought the 7.2 last week I can say that this thing is built like a tank and will likely last longer than I will. That said, for a few quid more I think I'll return the 7.2 and get this one. The extra lumens is nice, plus although the runtime is shorter on the lowest (super dim) setting, it's longer on the medium and high settings that most people will be using, weirdly. (Doesn't make much sense, but that's what Amazon says.)

I also like the lockable zoom, but I don't expect to be attacking anybody with it, not knocking out any windows.

I have a coast hp7r . it's hands down the best torch I've ever owned

Anything with a Cree bulb will seem way brighter than a standard bulb torch. I have a a P7 200 lumens & a XT1100GT quoted 2000 lumens (slight advertising lie) recently purchased (which I was enticed to instead of a T7M from the last thread on here) & I thought the P7 was well bright before the XT landed on my mat.

Well all the good output regulated torches do.

Hope this is as good as you all say, just ordered one

they don't last the buttons always fail . and warranty claim in to much hassle

Why not have both? Keep the P7.2 in the car for emergencies and keep the T7M, with it's tactical strobe, in the house for blinding intruders/zombies.

39 now

What is this "XT1100GT" you speak of??

Not exactly cheap but not far off the normal price of the T7M Amazon - Klarus

Amazon not the cheapest place to buy. I bought mine in the end from ebay for £64, however banggood can be a good place to buy if you can avoid import duties. Sometimes they do really good offers.

Wow....you must really like torches! :smile:

Always miss these! :disappointed:

I did think twice but it is really handy at times. No more replacing batteries & re-charging via usb. I never did think the focus on a Led Lenser was that great so for gone that. Plus light output slopes off with battery power on them. I found that although you still get a lot of light output from them if you look at the bulb when power drains in reality you don't, the batteries have to be replaced well before they die.

​it's based on a bought more than a few and they end up in the bin because they intermittently don't work (the button ) .

I bought a milwaukee true light it's yet to miss a beat.

bum trumpet that would be a crowned bezel , handy for partially removing scalps and it also helps keep the lens area cooler when its stood up , plus it lets the light out so you can see the torch has been left on

Geemac aa batteries run 3 times longer than aaa and far cheaper and available worldwide too

Thanks.

​Dunno, not sure I can justify both, as I've also bought a Klarus XT11GT (2000lumens and waterproof) and an Olight H1R Nova in the last couple of weeks. not sure where this sudden torch obsession came from really.

It does sound like you have a dangerous habit forming. The two LED Lensers are quiet similar to be honest. So if you have others you probably don't need both.

whats the verdict. i have also ordered same as you, T7M and 7.2. T7M hasnt arrived yet, just tested 7.2 and its ok, compared it to my Aldi 3w (£6.99) cree torch, and i was shocked to see that there is not much difference in brightness, bit disappointing to be honest. 7.2 will be going back to Amazon.

The T7M is actually slightly smaller than the 7.2, despite what the spec claims. Has a few more lighting modes, is slightly brighter, and has a lockable zoom. Oh, and the tactical tail cap for breaking glass, which I'm sure people use all the time...

As for the LED Lenser vs and Aldi £6.99 torch, I doubt the brightness is on par - trying it indoors won't give a fair comparison. You need to go somewhere nice and dark outside and shine it down a dark lane or something. Even if it is as bright though, I can't imagine a £6.99 torch being made particularly well. I bought some cheap LED torches from 7dayshop once and although they worked OK, the build quality wasn't a patch in these LED Lensers. Thin metal, rattly, cheap switches and generally felt horrible to hold and use. The 7.2 and T7M are built like tanks in comparison and feel nice to use.

How much you care about that depends on what you want. If you're just looking for the best value LED torch that just does the job, then the Aldi one may indeed be better value. I suspect it won't last as long as the LED Lenser, but that's purely speculation based on the price.