Please stop
You are not giving good information. You are not helping.
The 1TB in this deal is enough for a new player. Even then, X1 can use external storage upgrades which is less technical than PS4's internal upgrades which requires partial disassembly AND software transfer.
The first rule of helping a beginner is you do not project your opinions as fact as it is misleading and selfish.

They are virtually the same.
Both can play Blu Rays, both have many media apps such as BBC iPlayer and Netflix, etc.
Key games of 2016 like Battlefield, Overwatch, Inside and DOOM are on both and run virtually identical.

Key differences relevant to a beginner:
PS4 is the only thing that can play PS VR (Virtual Reality), which is the cheapest VR solution of its kind.
X1S (slim model in this bundle) can play 4k blu ray whereas none of the PS4s can

PS4 has exclusive games such as Uncharted 4, Ratchet & Clank, Infamous, Until Dawn
X1 has exclusive games such as Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive
PS4 has close upcoming exclusives Horizon: Zero Dawn, Gravity Rush 2, Persona 5
X1 has upcoming exclusives Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2
(the above lists are examples and not complete lists)

Buyer will therefore have to decide their preference likely based on price point, available games, and potential friends already on either network. There is no simple "better" console.

Rats off to ye for the fanboy bait.

Amazon did do this and horizon 3 for £275 but it's out of stock now. Think this is the new best price and heat added. Horizon 3 is £25 most places anyway.
Plus John Lewis is a good store, warranty etc.

Also great first post :smiley:

Also great first post :smiley:

well I love gow, bit of spare Xmas cash left so was shopping and it popped up so thought I would help others out

Heat from me, can't justify buying it as the old ones not gone pop yet!

Good price

Heat added for great price

Chaps, I'm not an experienced gamer so what's th pros/cons over the ps4 then please?
Does it play bluerays?

plays blu rays and 4k too I believe

- Metacritic LOL
More higher rated games? Halo MCC 85 MC > when the game was broken for 6+ months! You get more quality and better support on exclusive games on PS4 hands down. With Microsoft it's just a quick cash grab then a middle finger to you.

- EA Access
Is pointless. Doesn't have the latest games to play. So your just better of buying the actual game. EA Access is only useful for older EA games.

- Both do support hard drive upgrades BUT...
Microsoft don't allow internal hard drive to be upgraded, you can only connect and use external hard drive. Sony allow you to upgrade internal hard drive and does NOT void warranty. Sony even has guides on there website how to upgrade internal hard drive. Microsoft knew games were going to be up to 50GB on disc yet they locked the internal hard drive from being upgradable. The Xbox 360 supported it but not the Xbox One.

it has been that price for weeks on john lewis, its not a deal...

cold

Fanboi alert

1/ The metacritic scores that I was referring to were filtered by user score not paid for "professional review sites".

2/ EA access is £3.99 a month, about what it used to cost to rent a game for a couple of nights back in the day, your entitled to your opinion but if you are interested in the games on offer or want to pad out your library, while I do not subscribe I wouldn't exactly call it "pointless".

3/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YK4JZVoL2o

For the record I do not own a current gen console, I am interested in the switch and I may jump on the bandwagon when I see the Scorpio vs the Pro

I ain't a fanboy. I have had both consoles from launch date, the Xbox One S was my latest console. I have sold the Xbox One S and I am just sticking with the PS4. I just gave my input towards the post on which the pros/cons of systems.

Looks like Xbox fanboy get heart ache when you say anything negative about it even if it's true. Sorry Xbot.

The hard drive point is mute as most users are not technical minded. It's just too much extra work for a customer to upgrade the internal hard drive on the Xbox One/S, unlike PS4 where the instructions are officially detailed by Sony when it comes to upgrading the internal hard drive for PS4, PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro.

You break into your Xbox One/S, warranty is void. Nuff said.

This is a deal for an xbox. Not "may i please all your opinions on xbox/ ps4 forced upon us". Take it elsewhere ladies

Shut up

This price is great, i'm slightly annoyed though. I went to order when it was at Amazon for this price, soon as I got to the checkout, they'd bumped the price up :disappointed: So instead, I ordered a different bundle from Currys/PC World. A few days later, other stores are stocking the Gears bundle :'( Wahhhh.

Tempted to pick up an Xbox for the backward compatability. Went PS4 this gen but have lots of old Xbox 360 games gathering dust.

Please stop
You are not giving good information. You are not helping.
The 1TB in this deal is enough for a new player. Even then, X1 can use external storage upgrades which is less technical than PS4's internal upgrades which requires partial disassembly AND software transfer.
The first rule of helping a beginner is you do not project your opinions as fact as it is misleading and selfish.

They are virtually the same.
Both can play Blu Rays, both have many media apps such as BBC iPlayer and Netflix, etc.
Key games of 2016 like Battlefield, Overwatch, Inside and DOOM are on both and run virtually identical.

Key differences relevant to a beginner:
PS4 is the only thing that can play PS VR (Virtual Reality), which is the cheapest VR solution of its kind.
X1S (slim model in this bundle) can play 4k blu ray whereas none of the PS4s can

PS4 has exclusive games such as Uncharted 4, Ratchet & Clank, Infamous, Until Dawn
X1 has exclusive games such as Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive
PS4 has close upcoming exclusives Horizon: Zero Dawn, Gravity Rush 2, Persona 5
X1 has upcoming exclusives Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2
(the above lists are examples and not complete lists)

Buyer will therefore have to decide their preference likely based on price point, available games, and potential friends already on either network. There is no simple "better" console.

be aware there is no headset with these bundles which I think is outrages considering you need one to talk online???

he asked for facts not personal beliefs.

The xbox brand is not the same as last gen, correct it's better.

Everyone knows the ps4 is just a slightly beefier version of a ps3, it brings nothing new to the table.

Variety of games you are aware 9/10 games released are multi-platform yeah?

As for the new UI, you'll find sony usually follows in Microsofts footsteps with updates.

1080p, 900p £4.27p if people cared about this as much as they claimed they wouldn't play on anything other than 4k gaming pc's.

For a console for the players who like to play a lot of games why have they not enabled external hard drive support? instead you have to go through the rigmaroll of **** around with software and screwdrivers

only reason ps4 outsold xbox one is price at release.

GTFO Xbot troll getting upset

Seriously, just shut up. You know nothing about me :smiley:

I can do what I want. I ain't going to shut up to some random person.

That's what I said about the blu-ray. You just repeating what I said about that.

It's facts;
- More variety of games on PS4 including exclusives. PS4 just more exclusives currently and more upcoming 2017/2018.
- Better Dashboard aka works without bottlenecking or sluggish performance.
- Hardware is better in terms of performance. Just they way the games run/system works which again the software ties in and makes the experience better.
- Xbox exclusives games are now becoming available on PC

Now this is not my view but facts! The Xbox One S if you get one it's 50/50. You can either get a good Xbox One S or a faulty one (fan). Check YouTube of the amount of fault Xbox One S this goes for not only the standard model but other limited models too.

Cool story bro. Mods, delete all comments between myself and imagineS, we're hardly helping!

Do you even read what I posted.

So are these not facts?
- More variety of games on PS4 including exclusives. PS4 just more exclusives currently and more upcoming 2017/2018.
- Better Dashboard aka works without bottlenecking or sluggish performance.
- Hardware is better in terms of performance wise. Just they way the games run majority of them in 1080p/system works which again the software ties in and makes the experience better.
- Xbox exclusives games are now becoming available on PC

You explain to me how the Xbox One this generation better. Feel free to explain the facts. If it was better the sales of Xbox One would be higher than it's predecessor aka Xbox 360.

Do you understand about variety of games? The PS4 has more games to choose from to play. It has FPS, Racing, Shooters, Beat Em Ups, JRPGs etc. With Xbox One it has games but not many variety of games. On top of that the PS4 has more exclusives even many more coming up 2017/2018. It's facts.

The UI of the PS4 is no way same as Microsoft. What I mean by the UI it's neat, fast and you can do tasks without bottlenecking or sluggish performance. Please do no make out Sony UI is same as Microsoft lol. With regards to updates and download it's done different on Sony compared to Xbox. Heck Xbox don't even support multiple downloads nor has any download indication time lol

See this is where people don't see the picture. All this time Microsoft was trying to take over the living experience against Sony. Sony have been in the gaming industry for a long time and they have huge partners and relationships. Now they been kind of ruling the living experience for majority of the people on this planet. TVs, game consoles etc. They have always allowed the users to upgrade the internal hard drive of their game consoles. If you want your console to take over the living experience then why the F would I need wire/s or external hard drive/s dangling out of the Xbox One in the very first place? The Xbox 360 supported internal hard drive upgrade. Microsoft gave us this feature but took it out away from us. Yes external hard drive might be easy to use plug and play. Wouldn't it just look neater all in one place if you could just upgrade the internal hard drive?

Draw back of the external hard drive is that if you set this as your main default installation. Keep the external hard drive connected. Then when you turn off Xbox and the main switch on the wall for the Xbox, TV etc (some people do this). Next time you power on the console and boot it up, it fails to load the external hard drive. You have either;
A. Turn of the Xbox then disconnect hard drive and then turn on Xbox then plug in hard drive
B. Disconnect hard drive and re-connect while Xbox is powered on (can cause damage to the hard drive).

The reason why the PS4 outsold;
- Design
- Price/Hardware
- Games Console (no gimmicks cough Kinect)
- Exclusive Games

Those that say exclusive games don't sell console (GTFO). Last generation Xbox 360 sold 84M consoles. Sales due to Halo, Gears of War, Alan Wake etc.

You ain't helping > telling me shut up.
At least I'm posting in response to the pros/cons of what the user wanted to know.

Thanks all.

if it was better it would have sold better than the 360.... how many years has the 360 been out compared to the xbox one.

do you genuinely believe half the pish you post?

had a 4tb hard drive plugged into my xbox one since it was enabled not once has it failed to load you are chatting complete and utter dog chod.

more variety of games ...they both more or less share the same catalogue

You wanted facts, gave you facts. So now your trying to say it's pish?
What's your response to the facts I posted from you...oh wait it's = pish

Go ahead and try this and post a video on YouTube or somewhere where I can see this;
1. Make sure your external hard drive is selected as default storage location.
2. While the external hard drive is connected power off your Xbox One (not that power saver mode crap).
3. Then turn off the main switch at the wall where your Xbox One is connected too (give it a minute or so).
4. Power on your Xbox One with external drive connected watch how it fails to load.

I tried this on 3 of my replacement Xbox One S, using two different external hard drives. This was during the launch period of Xbox One S 500GB variant with FIFA 17. I'm not sure if the recent update has fix this or not. I would have tested again myself now but I don't have an Xbox One/S.

Both share the same catalogue? They might do but PS4 has more variety of games to buy. Go supersavers. If you think they both have more or less the same amount of games..your deluded.

I turn the console off at the mains every day, it's never once failed to load upon switching the console on.

We have two xbox one's in the house neither off them to fail to load the hard drive when switching back on.

Just too confirm both USB3.0 portable hard drives one is 4Tb the other 1Tb (seagate expansions)

Spoken like a true gamer.