Is your sense of humour having a lay in this morning? :wink:

Nothing quite as attractive to women as a Middle Aged, slightly overweight man in cycling lycra

I'd sooner take the bus as well



in Lycra :confused:

Don't be silly, if you want a bike get a CBT and a DAS/A2 or whatever is for your age group. Don't just stay on a 125 forever, and certainly don't think because your licence lets you ride a 50cc, that you *can* ride one.

The reason for a lot of motorcycle incidents are due to a complete lack of training. Even a CBT (which allows you to ride a 125 for 2 years) is **** easy, and literally impossible to fail. It will set you up, but gives you nowhere near enough training to be close to safe on the roads. Especially when you are only on a 125cc that is stuck at about 65mph down hill.

If nothing has changed these 50ccs, and all road legal ones, are restricted to 28mph. So good for town use only.

Riding a motorcycle is bloody good fun, but a frankly ugly and slow bike like this with a miniscule engine takes away all of the fun from it. If you had to get a 50cc (ie you are 16 and can't wait a year) then I'd look on gumtree for a beater, you will drop it, and rather drop a cheap £300 POS than a brand new chinese POS that cost 4 times as much.

So, for my midlife crisis, this or a Harley?

Nothing quite as attractive to women as a Middle Aged, slightly overweight man in cycling lycra

That might be your fantasy but the use of Lycra is strictly optional - it is possible to ride in everyday clothes. The overall effect of fitness may prove to have some attraction, but this may be negated by numerous other factors.

Is your sense of humour having a lay in this morning? :wink:

Ha ^^

What about wearing Lycra on the moped ?, now that would send your granny crazy

Wouldn't better advice be to pick up a CBR115/YBR125 a couple of years old for similar price ?

I would rather take the bus

I'd sooner take the bus as well



in Lycra :confused:

Don't be silly, if you want a bike get a CBT and a DAS/A2 or whatever is for your age group. Don't just stay on a 125 forever, and certainly don't think because your licence lets you ride a 50cc, that you *can* ride one.

The reason for a lot of motorcycle incidents are due to a complete lack of training. Even a CBT (which allows you to ride a 125 for 2 years) is **** easy, and literally impossible to fail. It will set you up, but gives you nowhere near enough training to be close to safe on the roads. Especially when you are only on a 125cc that is stuck at about 65mph down hill.

If nothing has changed these 50ccs, and all road legal ones, are restricted to 28mph. So good for town use only.

Riding a motorcycle is bloody good fun, but a frankly ugly and slow bike like this with a miniscule engine takes away all of the fun from it. If you had to get a 50cc (ie you are 16 and can't wait a year) then I'd look on gumtree for a beater, you will drop it, and rather drop a cheap £300 POS than a brand new chinese POS that cost 4 times as much.

To be fair even once you've managed to get your full bike license a 125cc scooter is great for getting to work on. I wouldn't want to put a load of miles on my big bike or increase the risk of it being stolen. There's a bloke that passes me most days who commutes through the city on a Hayabusa, seems like a massive waste.

Also, I'd rather ride this or it's 125cc brother than drive most of the dull cars posted as lease deals on this site.

I know many would argue 50cc is not powerful enough but for me it was fine, on my 6 mile commute the speed limit was 30mph all the way so did not need anything faster, this was still much quicker than using my car as the traffic used to get grid locked, on the scooter I was home within 20 mins but by car it could take me over an hour some times, the scooter had the great advantage of being much more economical and as I had to use the mersey tunnel each day this saved me another £15 a week as motorbikes were toll free.

I fancy a Sinclair C5 myself - but only if wearing Lycra!

Any good electric scooter alternatives?

That could be fun, ploughing through the pedestrianised areas at full speed! I am not sure my rear is massive enough to justify one though...

Cannot agree with this sentiment more. I bought a Yamaha 50cc fifteen years ago on the reasoning that I could ride it on my car licence without any CBT aggro and wished within 5 minutes that I had done the CBT. The sheer mechanics of moving even a little 'ped like this around in traffic are a challenge if you've never ridden before, I almost killed myself on the way home from the dealer due to ignorance of the way a machine like this behaves. It is NOT like riding a push bike, something that you will never truly appreciate until you have tried it.

It was a fun bit of kit though, should come with an addiction warning like a pack of cigarettes, within 2 weeks, I wanted more power!

Is this a 50cc or 125cc, description says it's 125cc but the name would suggest otherwise? Also it's pre-egistered by the looks of things.
Best to stay clear and get a Honda Blackbird, reliability with a bit of power thrown in for good measure.
If someone is looking for a good cheap commute bike, not a bad deal overall, plus when you do ride it in your lycra just think of all the admiring glances your going to get.

It says 125 MPG not CC. :smile:

Just come back from Vietnam where everyone rode Honda 125s....everywhere....at a normal speed. So refreshing to have no Rossi wannabes exocetting themselves down the highstreet.

got a blackbird ha ha looking for something with a bit more power

Sym Jet 4 125 is great to get you to work and back. I had it for just over a year from new 2014, did 35 mile round trip 5 days a week to work for 6months very reliable 4 stroke, quiet, around 64mph top speed.
Managed to get a flat tyre once apart from that had no issues with it at all. Cost me around £6 full tank average 89mpg

I can ride this without on my car license... finally an upside to being nearly middle aged :man:

I have what become? :wink: ​

Anything below or above 50cc requires a licence, unless you have a car licence from before 2001.
The I wouldn't recommend my worst enemy to go on a bike on public roads without at the least a CBT, even then, unless you are 17/18, get a full licence. 19-23, get an A2, 24+, do a DAS course.

Riding a motorcycle *with* full training can be dangerous even at the best of times, after the first day of training you are no longer learning about not killing yourself on a bike, you are learning how to predict what cars will do and stop them from killing you. Plus the major advantage for commuters on bikes is that you can lane split aka 'filter'. You would be idiotic to try filtering without training, the throttle, clutch, front and rear brake control that are all constantly being adjusted whilst filtering, combined with balancing, steering, watching out for mirrors, other bikers filtering past you.

Just look at L motorcyclists, some of them are okay/great riders. But I think it is fair to say a large percentage, particularly on mopeds, are awful and constantly putting themselves and others in danger, usually not even realising it.

As has been pointed out already it's absurdly idiotic to ride this without as a minimum a CBT, unless you fancy organ donation. One of the issues I see with riding a 50cc is that car drivers (assuming that they have actually spotted you at all) expect you to have greater acceleration and speed capabilities than you do. That said Sym are one of the better brands, my daughter had one of their 125's for a couple of years and it never gave her any trouble although I was surprised at the amount of servicing required in comparison to my bikes. Not trying to put anyone off getting on two wheels, it's awesome and many more people should take it up.

I realise that, I have had a car and full bike licence for *ahem* years but I thought the rules had changed as I think now even if you have a car licence you need hazard perception, CBT and either direct access or restricted test?

It did need changed mind as there are too many deaths on the roads.

I managed to buy an 2009 YBR125 off ebay with 5000 miles on the clock two years ago for £1100. I'd recommend Japanese over Chinese bikes... not sure how Taiwanese bikes hold up thought. Either way please do your research if you want to possible avoid riding a rust bucket within a few years time.

dangerous little things, 50cc limited to 30mph and with little to no power is a bad thing.

even if you're using it for city riding get at least a 125, for at least a little bit of grunt.

getting a CBT is cheap, and then passing your bikce licence on a 125 is also cheap.

Everyone is so paranoid on here. You'll be fine on one of these with some basic skills if you ride sensibly. If you start filtering at speed at congested intersections then at some point you will have an accident. Just take it easy, don't take stupid risks and you'll get from A to B quickly, cheaply and safely.

I think the point people are making is that depending on when you passed your car test, you can ride one of these away with zero training. At that point you have no skills, no experience and little idea of how to ride safely. That's not paranoia that's having an understanding of risk and how to mitigate it. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of these comments are made by people who have held big bike licences for a number of years. The reason the bike test is no longer twice around the block with the examiner standing on the kerb is that the accident figures for new riders were horrendous.