You would be crazy not to buy a new TV based on the reason you gave , as the above poster explains there will always be another (more expensive) upgrade in technology very close.
If you are in the market for a new 55" TV with under £1500 to spend you would be silly looking at OLED models , the models that will become affordable anytime soon are the first generations which have their own set of issues.
It is widely known that OLED is still in its infancy , relatively speaking. The technology is there to produce amazing quality pictures and almost perfect blacks but we are not looking at anywhere near this kind of money and it could be years before this becomes affordable.

When I was looking a few months ago I did extensive research into this and went to see many demonstrations , taking with me my own source material on a usb stick (mix of 4k / hd / sd) and I ended up going for a quantum dot Samsung 65" UE65KS8000 at around £1600 I think it worked out at.
The model that came closest was an OLED LG set but this was almost £3000. There was no OLED sets in my price range or anywhere near worthy of comparison unless I went for a smaller set.
On 4k ultra HD and 73-/1080p HD it really is hard to pick fault at the flagship LED offerings such as the quantum dot Samsung.
I would say to any prospective buyer , take a usb with your source material and view the exact same material on various Televisions to make your assessment rather than rely on their own in-store demo material as then you can make clearer comparisons on a level playing field.
Hope this helps :wink:

Good price, but reckon you're crazy if you buy a TV now with affordable OLED so close.

Brilliant advice but I am now banned from PC world and Curry's and I have a police record..,,, apparently it is an offence to stream sexually explicit images in public places :P

You do realise you're making that comment on a website whose sole reason for existing is to make people buy dumb stuff they don't really need? :wink:

Don't be a party pooper. This TV is clearly new and shiny. Oh so shiny. Mmm. Shiny.

Good price, but reckon you're crazy if you buy a TV now with affordable OLED so close.

Good advice

Nothin' i want more right now than a big ol' 10 but TV :wink:


(thread header now sadly edited :wink: )

Lol, just correctud it

I preferred the original

great telly .. good catch!

No matter how much you pay for your HQ TV, all it means is that you get to watch the same crap, but with much more definition. Do you really want to see people's fillings, or their pimples and boils?

I have this TV and can confirm it is shiny

Shiny Happy People......... :wink:

What's quantum dot and is that worth waiting for?

I bought the top of the range equivalent sony 55 inch a few years ago (when 4K sets were costing £3000 +)

I could have waited for the price to fall, needed a tv that month, so bought it.

There is always something better and cheaper around the corner.

Personally, I am now waiting for the 3D holographic TVs/virtual rooms (like the ones they have on star trek) to fall to below £1000.

Heat for the 3D included.

Yup nuff said.

I'm waiting for smellivison

Brilliant advice but I am now banned from PC world and Curry's and I have a police record..,,, apparently it is an offence to stream sexually explicit images in public places :P

Personally, I am not upgrading my TV again unless it is for OLED you just can't beat it.

If however you really are struggling to justify another £500ish then this TV comes out great in reviews, here is a link to the AV Forum review https://www.avforums.com/review/sony-kd-55xd9305-ultra-hd-4k-hdr-tv-review.12266, again not for me but heat added

is this good for gaming?

But you don't need to wait 6 months. You can buy OLED right now.
This deal was available a few days ago:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lg-oled55b6v-55-4k-uhd-oled-tv-1499-sevenoaks-sound-vision-collection-only-from-2591914?p=29764045

And this was/is also available:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lg-55eg910v-55-inch-1080p-oled-curved-smart-tv-2015-model-989-amazon-lightning-deal-2590872?p=29768790

For me, OLED vs LCD: OLED wins hands down and I can't believe anybody would disagree with this.
And if like me, you are used to a plasma (which has great black levels), an LCD TV like the one in this thread, may actually be a downgrade!

I'm waiting for OLED 8K 3D HDR12 HLG DV12 fingers crossed for next year :wink:

Give it a few years and b&w tv's will be back in fashion :laughing:

WHATHifi......only Sonys biggest fans! lol

Motion judder is my biggest hate.

If I invest in a new TV what do I look for to eliminate this?

​I like OED give the better picture regardless, whereas 4k, HDR, 8 and 16K will always struggle with media to have any relevance.

How much better than the xd8599 is this? I almost got thaftodah but if this is much better I may stretch the old budget.

To be fair your not missing much by not being able to go in Currys and PC World

If its not FLAD then its to much for a poor backlight in my view.

Owned one for over 8 months... Would I recommend it? Hell no....

Picture is good, sound is awful, even sonys own wireless soundbars are not compatible and drop connection every day.
Sony support is the worst ever and they hire moderators to delete any negative comments on their forums.

Do the right thing and buy LG.... I guarantee you will come back on here and thank me, loads of people have

It's a superb tv decided for this over a oled LG as the motion handling is excellent.

Good answer also holds for 4k unless you have 60"+ TV...Or you are a gamer..

Best price for this set at present - without a doubt.

Heat added but I'd wait/save for Oled.

can this do 1000 nits brightness for HDR standard?

bought this tv from currys for £1599 3 months ago with free surround sound system which I sold for £150 ... hate this tv ..wish I could send it back not worth over £1000 .. does not impress me one bit .. have a Sony 55inch in bedroom which I bought last year for £600 and prefer that .. .. by the way I love sony everything I buy is sony but this was a let down

Regarding OLED etc. competition should be heating up this year.

Sometimes it is worth waiting 6 months or even a year if you can.

If you plan to replace your TV every 5 years or so, sometimes tech changes quite dramatically in a fairly short space of time so it's worth investing after that change.

Same with PCs and various tech.

E.g. holding out for Skylake would have been worth it for thunderbolt 3.

Obviously depends how desparately you feel you need a first or new TV or device.

And yeah, HDR standards haven't consolidated. TVs are really in a state of flux right now. It'll soon settle down. Buying now is far from ideal.

Massive generalisation, the black levels on the latest high end led tvs are much improved over older models and budget screens, think you might be surprised. Whilst not as good as oled, the difference is diminishing. Dont get me wrong buy a £500 set they are rubbish, cant comment on this exact screen as not seen it but tested quite a few when i was looking at a new set and was impressed by how much better they are now!

Spec here;

http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/ceff41a

If you read through the spec you will see the pixel refresh time is quite high so the claim of being 120hz is pretty much because it has to be for active 3D but the panel looks more like a comfortable fit for 60hz output but inadequate for 3D.

If you share 1000 microseconds by 60 you get something like 16.7ms but the panel has an average response time of 10ms, to do 120hz you need 8ms approx pixel response time just to get it working at a basic level without any inbetween frame interpolation. This looks completely hopeless for 3D based on this panel spec. I'm sure normal tv use is just 60hz which will give some reasonable interpolation headroom. They claim 1000 interpolation rate which is an entry level figure.

The link says the tv is dual core but appears to be quad core using a mediatek chipset, maybe its split function inside teh set, 2 for android and 2 for tv processing. Antutu scores about 22,000.

Input lag is high.

Not a tv for 3D use or ideal for gamers basically but seems to have fairly decent figures for HDR.

Based on the spec I personally don't think its particularly good value. I like What hifi reviews but they are writing from a home cinema perspective and don't seem to bothered about reviewing 3D material or game use. The Samsung KS7000 seems better although no 3D and you can get it for less.

Scratch that KS7000 recommendation seems loads of people are having problems with them with regard poor motion and judder despite the ratings on rtings.com showing the 8000 (same as our 7000) has good motion.

http://uk.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion

I wouldn't pay £1,180 for a 55" tv that isn't UHD premium standard and according to RS specs this tv isn't. You'd be better off buying a Samsung 7 or 8 series

eg: the 60" Samsung 7 series at Richer Sounds is £1,299, so you get a higher quality TV and 5" bigger, it seems to be a better deal than the Sony, it's not 3D though, if that matters to you.
http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/samsung/ue60ks7000/sams-ue60ks7000

This TV would pass Ultra HD Premium - Sony just decided not to submit / pay for it. Been tested to meet the requirements by several reviewers - so i wouldnt worry about that. Although, it's not quite as good as the KS7000 in terms of colour space coverage.

I also wouldn't buy a 60" KS7000 for £1300 when the 55" KS7000 was £899 and possible more stock coming soon (Or at least, thats what JL and Currys have said). Otherwise you're paying £400 / almost 50% more for only 5 extra inches.

This is a cracking display, the Sony. Obviously the 55" KS7000 is a much better buy, especially if you're gamer. Thats if you can get one though.

Heat added. Owned this set for around 6 months and paid 1500. Getting a bargain now the prices have dropped. I would however recommend you invest in some form of speaker system. As the TVs speakers are not of the higher standards like the previous 9th gens that has the magnetic fluid speakers.

I was going to go for the KS7000 but everywhere online there are loads of complaints about motion judder, which put me on to this one

With the announcements made at CES I'm waiting until Q2, this generation will be heavily discounted I think.

Need to be careful it wasn't a us site because their 7000 model is the same as our 6400 and their 8000 is the same as our 7000. UK spec 7000 has very good motion handling according to the reviews.

To be honest a non fald or non Oled set has a **** backlight so you're half way there already...

would buy soon as it hits £900 mark............probably going to be that price in march/april.

​Go on John Lewis majority are 1 stars for the ks7000

The handling on mine is fine - it's a case of panel lottery for allot of things to be honest (particular when it comes to bleed). Mine TV is inky black with pretty much no bleed, i've seen some with horrendous bleed on AVForums.. This is the case for the vast majority of LCDs.

I also think the judder feedback is often based on people not understanding their TV and modes, if you turn all the processing off and are running 24p content (which is pretty much everything TV and Movie) and the camera pans - you're going to get motion issues. Thats the nature of the content itself. You can use motion processing to smooth that out - but then you get a soap opera affect (which is why all reccomendations tell you to turn it off). I do notice some actual judder on mine when i enabled those motion processing options (not when disabled) but again i didnt play with them. Dependant on how you set then will often depend on the kind of experience you get.. But who on earth wants video processing like that turned on, its horrible.


Majority? No. Most TVs have allot of 1 star reviews on John Lewis.

Isn't What HiFi owned by Richer Sounds ? Don't think I trust the reviews

I don't believe so mate?

Also in my experience - Richersounds are pretty much the only large audio / visual retailer with bricks and mortar stores i trust. Everytime i've either gone into store or called - the person i'm speaking to knows what i'm talking about, asks about my speakers and expresses opinions of some options.

​Vastly superior, more than the miniscule change in model name suggests. 80xx/85xx being IPS panels (~1000:1 contrast, very poor HDR) and 9xxx being VA (3000:1 contrast, quite a few local dimming zones to display HDR satisfactorily)

Wait for 8k

Point taken. I wonder what the issue is maybe people are leaving it in game mode when watching normal tv or possibly it cuts back on picture processing interpolation when it has low cpu resources available because of running apps etc. Also with Samsung you have the famous panel lottery when different size sets in the same model range use different panel supplier's.

I only use a budget brand set myself which makes use of an LG passive 3D 4k panel and have never ever seen any judder or motion issues and I'm highly sensitive to it but I guess that's one of the fringe benefits of IPS panels over VA generally with pixel response time generally being better but saying that you see reviews where VA panel based tv's score higher than IPS panel based tv's for motion although of course there are many factors involved with getting smooth motion. I saw a Panasonic model in a local store and noticed some judder it was something like a DX500 model or similar. Fairly budget model for their range but was surprised by the motion handling and it wasn't even a panning shot it was a large cube coming down from the top of the screen and rotating at the same time which I guess must have outwitted the picture processing or maybe again another issue with 50hz sources. It was only a standard resolution freeview signal.

The KS7000 is pretty much top of the game in technology at that price level currently and like any new technology it tends not to be as reliable as the slightly older technology which has been improved over its lifetime. Just like an outgoing Car which has had years of reliability improvements is more reliable than the model that replaces it.

May also be related to the 50hz issue where some tv's just don't perfect picture processing of 50hz sources.

There's glowing reviews for the KS7000 by many professional review sites.

Here's one.

https://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-ks7000-ue55ks7000-uhd-4k-tv-review.12659

Saying that AVforums review Hisense stuff very positively yet looking at the specs and seeing other reviews elsewhere they can be quite negative. Which consumer magazine has some Hisense sets with a warning not to buy and some of the Hisense specs look terrible like a 200cd/m2 panel which is half that of many non HDR sets on a so called HDR set.

However all things said I thought the KS7000 was a safe recommendation based on a wide range of professional review sites that have positively reviewed it and a clearly excellent spec.

I paid £799 for the 55x8509c in august last year but have so far had 2 replacements due to light bleed. My latest replacement has DSE issues too. Is it worth me kicking up a fuss and trying to get this model?

Don't know what reviews you've looked at but what I've seen from users on avforums it's terrible! I was looking at this tv once (ks7000) but followed the thread from beginning and the trouble people are getting with it is to much to mention!

Same I thought it was just the normal balance of comments but when I looked in to it there are a hell of a lot of comments across the web about motion judder specifically on the k7000

Given this price is in touching distance of the LG B6 and C6, there's very little reason not to try to save a bit more and go for a set that has a better image. To be honest I'm getting to be a bit of an OLED bore but given the night and day difference, it's hard not to be and with them starting to come in at under £1500, and that the LG 2016 range being mostly the same PQ, you can get the kind of TV that used to be only a dream five years ago for a very reasonable price.

Also, the Android platform in the Sonys is an acquired taste.

Well I linked to the AVforums review above. I guess there may be a difference between the perfect sample they sent for review and the actual units people are getting unless Samsung have actually changed the spec somehow or created some sort of new issue with a firmware update. No question though seems like too many issues for too many people to be recommended but that doesn't mean there aren't people who have got an excellent example of the model and are very happy with it.

Nearly bought this TV.......as it's the only Sony in the range that gets good reviews, has a VA panel, great build quality and 3D at 55". It looks superb and like most Sony's handles motion (sport) really well with the Motionflow technology. But it's expensive for the spec and has a terrible android operating system that is clunky and still hasn't been fixed. The Sony rep in JL advised me to reset the system once a week to keep things working smoothly.....what a joke. It also might be 3D but no one ever reviews this tech anymore. It's the best Sony you can get though, unless you shell out £4k. BUT after having 3 Sony panels fail in the last 10 years all covered by the JL warranty (the last in Dec), I had to look at other options.
The KS7000 was the best option based on price and spec (nothing else comes close for the cost). I spent loads of time in JL getting the rep to play different content and changing the 'vivid' standard settings to those recommended by AVForums. The KS7000 looked amazing and I couldn't detect any issues....but it cheaper that the warranty credit I had and was also out of stock. The only negatives are that it has a massive stand footprint, reported issues with judder, a back held on with double sided tape that has a tendency to part when the set gets hot....and the other usual Samsung quality control issues around panel uniformity.
In the I end I ended up getting the KS8000 with free UHD spinner and 3 films. The specs were marginally better, as was the stand design and build.
The main point is that you need to view each TV yourself and ask for demo's of the kind of content you will view. Bright shops are never the ideal environment, but play around with each option - check out the operating system, build quality/finish, time it takes to switch on.....all of the things you actually find important. The Korean sets are known to pop in your face with intensive colours, where as the Sonys are more natural.
As for the 1 star reviews, ignore them - most have panel faults or are people that don't actually bother to change any settings. Yes some people are extremely sensitive to motion/judder issues, but they expect the 'out the box' picture to be perfect.....when it very rarely is. Samsung also sell far more TV's than Sony, so number wise there are going to be more issues. If you look for reported problems on any TV, I guarantee you will find them. In addition, anyone can leave a false negative review.
The Sony is a very good TV and if you still want 3D go for it.....but for me the operating system was awful. This time I've jumped ship as the Samsung's have the edge with overall spec and performance. Go in store yourself though and use reviews as a guide......it really just comes down to personal choice.

Damn a thought it was £11.79

50ms input lag makes it borderline unusable for gaming.

Not available at that price until 2178 then it will be Old Tech. lol

Kinda contradicted yourself there said Samsung sell so many that they have more issues but your going to buy one anyway.

Really torn on this set, having researched for ages I wanted the Samsung UE55KS7000, which is by far and away the best screen for the money (especially with current discounts), but there's no real stock to speak of anywhere. This Sony appeals as Android TV + YouView eliminates a Chromecast, Youview box + a few other bits, which really tidies things up around the TV. Need to see one in the flesh I think.
The bonus of 3D is nice too, even if it is shuttered glasses.

I just mean't that as Samsung massively outsell Sony there are going to be more people reporting issues. E.g. 100 Sony TVs sold with 10 complaints, as opposed to 500 Samsungs and 50. Same % but the number of issues can appear a lot higher. Unfortunately there are no flawless TV's produced at this price.

Or the Optoma 4K projector is released In the summer if you want a massive screen size.

Keep taking the tablets and hope it passes.
(and give the free 6 yewar guarantee)
Keep with the year guarantees can't be doing with these new fangled ones.

Pretty high input lag if anybody was thinking about it for gaming...

I saw your telly in Poland a few months back. Incredible picture on it.

I have this but the 65" non 3d version if you have an xbox one slim playing gears of war on HDR settings its absolutely incredible
The picture as standard though is the best i ever had
Also really lightweight i can lift the tv by myself so great stuff :smiley:

I had the 60 ks7000- terrible build quality and the picture stutter was terrible.
Light bleed and viewing angles also shocking .
Personally I wouldn't buy Samsung again just thought I'd mention it incase you buy

Sony is well known for quality, but android software needs w lot to be worked on!! As for Samsung all I can say they are going downhill, most of their products are made from cheap materials, software always buggy and filled with bloatware, support is not better either.... The only reason why they are still holding is because of 5 years warranty offered on most products... Which is good, but it does not help when your washing machine is off and you wait for a week for engineer to turn up and another week to fix it, and then again and again.... But its cheap isn't it...

The ks7000 is such a poor TV, not sure why it garners so much support around here

This is a thread about TVs not washing machines

Based on experience?

Might be sooner than 161 years but certainly a fair way off...


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Doubtful, my 55KS7000 is spotless. Probably lucked out on the panel lottery but no motion issues and inky black with no bleed.

Some HDR content and Interstellar streamed on Amazon:

Agree but it applies to all... Take apart your samsung tv and if you know something about electronics I think you will find out that its a bit poor...

I know that paint often has a similar colour to milkshake but trust me - don't drink it.


(Richer Sounds PLC and Haymarket Media Group are completely unrelated companies).

Does look a great price, but I reckon the lg c6 will drop to sub £1500 in when the b7/c7 is released (and 1000nits brightness, yay! But more 3d boo)

I am after a 65" TV up to £1200, what you recommend!! as I am 80 and not very technical....thanks

Hi Grandpa, :laughing:

Have you tried Tinder? Sorry, I digress, just kidding.

Depending on your budget, I would whole heartedly recommend the LG OLED B or E Series

Do not buy any of the older LG OLED "Entry levels efforts" from yester-year, stick with the B and E Series.
The user interface is smooth, sound is great and picture quality is top notch. Avoid SONY at ALL COSTS !!!!!!

Then come back on here when you are 81 and tell me you made the right choice

Any tear down videos anywhere to show us?

Lol, oh they don't have the same name so that's that then

Richer sounds also have a controlling share in Audio partnership (which is Gale, Mordaunt Short, Cambridge Audio & Opus) heavily pushed on what HiFi's website

Hi,

I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify the comments made on this thread relating to the relationship between Richer Sounds & Audio Partnership.

There is indeed a link between Richer Sounds and Audio Partnership, the makers of Cambridge Audio and Mordaunt Short, with Julian Richer being part owner of Audio Partnership.

This relationship actually brings great benefits to customers of Richer Sounds as we are able to cut out the distributor meaning we can then bring in super cutting edge quality products at fantastic prices (compare our prices in the UK to distributors retail prices on Cambridge Audio products elsewhere in Europe), something which is regularly testified and certainly borne out in numerous hi-fi magazine reviews including What Hi Fi.

There is however no such relationship between Richer Sounds or Audio Partnership and the completely impartial What Hi Fi magazine, other than Richer Sounds regularly advertise in their publication.

I hope this clarifies our position although please do not hesitate to let me know and I will do my best to help.

Many thanks,

John Clayton
Operations Director
Richer Sounds

My 52in philips ambilight led tv is so good i cannot justify wasting money on a new one whatever it is.

It's there much difference between this TV and the KD49XD8305BU, apart from the obvious screen size?
55“ are too big and I've been swaying towards the Samsung UE49KS8000, but reviews for the 49" Sony and price seem tempting...

How much is the 49" Sony?