Too true, too true.

But then again, have you ever tried to plough a super-model driving a tractor!
:stuck_out_tongue:

Tractor obviously goes faster than a Ferrari, if you ever had tried to plough a field in an Enzo....

Cameras are always appalling quality. People see the quality and think all cameras are equal.

A tractor has a bigger engine than a Ferrari, which goes faster?

No that's Lamborghini!

Since the harddrive is constantly recording cheap/computer harddrives may overheat or go faulty over time. Its best to get a purple/ western digital harddrive

On top of that, the camera mount looks terrible, I'd want one a bit more solid that locks with a grub screw, so will require a tool to adjust or remove the camera, and preferably has the cable protected within the mount rather than exposed, the wing nut and metal ball will probably rust when exposed to the weather making it difficult to adjust if you need to.

A budget 720p IP camera with a metal case that supports onvif and a reasonable picture bought from a UK seller cost me about £20 last year, admittedly without a PIR detector, or wifi, but for that money you should be able to do much better.

You can get Full HD 1080P ones (Amazon for example) for a similar price/less. There's also no mention if this is ONVIF compliant (probably is) which would be helpful if wanting to record to an NVR or PC.

Anyone think these will be worth it??
http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=41211

After something easy to install which will be for the rear garden to go alongside a Yale alarm system

​ha ha true

I am not sure but these record only in CIF nearly all channels, so not that much 1080p?

Hardly a doomsday scenario, we've had at least two cameras on our two analogue systems fail with a short, or near short, one got extremely hot and also toasted its power supply, fortunately it was only a 1 amp supply or it might have melted the cabling too. These were crap picture quality, but by no means cheap cameras.

We've also had a thief put a crowbar through a dome.

All our cameras and dvrs are independently powered. I'd assumed that any decent POE IP system would have all its ports protected against shorts, to stop the NVR going down, but maybe I'm wrong?

Nope, just one hole slightly larger than one BNC connector. The wires of these kits are thin and four of them are probably not much thicker than two decent Ethernet cables.

As for reliability, I installed a 700TVL kit around 5 years ago. It used these 'crap unreliable cables'. Have upgraded the DVR and the cameras to Full HD 3MP Hikvisons using the same cabling. Picture is perfect. Similar story at a friend's.

Also a POE camera system would suffer the same fate you described in your doomsday scenario.

And four of those things would need a yet larger hole, so I don't get your point, plus with ethernet you have the option of using a poe switch and running fewer cables. I would probably throw a pre-wired cable like that out and use separate power and coax cables or look for some good shotgun style stuff as it would be easier to install unless you are just pining it around the wall. Besides a cable like that is quite likely to be unreliable aluminium crap.

Another issue to bare in mind when sharing a power supply with multiple cameras is if one cable or camera is shorted either by a fault or being attacked by a thief, the whole lot goes down, plus the dvr if you've wired that to it too, unless each camera is powered from a separate current limited port rather than using a crude splitter.

Four decent quality Ethernet cables would probably need the same size hole as these cables would need. Either way, you need to drill a hole, so it's a mute point. As for it being relatively trivial, I would suspect not for most people who are looking at these type of kits.

Spot on

With a cable like that, you are either going to have to drill holes big enough to accommodate the bnc plug or face a fair bit of hassle re-terminating the cable if you cut it off before the plastic splitter to fit through a neat small hole. crimping a plug on networking cables is relatively trivial and the cable is probably thinner too.

One cable. Maybe you need help to understand, some things are a touch difficult to grasp, I get that, so I'll provide a picture to help you visualise it.



As for the power supply, well, seeing as you're failing to understand the difference between a single cable with two connectors and two cables with two connectors, it's probably pointless trying to explain voltage/amps as well.

Two cables. Two plugs.

Two power bricks. Confirmed by you.

Let me know if you need me to explain anything else you've said to you.

i have a qnap nas is it worth getting a NVR?

I read the comments with interest but I am still none the wiser . Can anyone now recommend the best value systems with a link?
I have looked at ebay cctv sellers in the past and their adverts are often misleading. The photos show dvr and cameras , but the small print may say , cameras not included, or hard drive not included.
Hard drives can be bought cheap from say entertainment exchange , second hand, so a system where you can put your own hard drive in , is what I would prefer?

Thankyou..

Compelling argument........

Right, so one cable, not two, is about the two connectors now. And not five power bricks, just two and possibly one if you need. Glad you finally cleared that up.

Gosh the drama

No I'm not confusing the ends. One type, THE ONE IN THE OP, has two plugs, BNC and 3.5mm jack, the other type, IP / rj45 has one rj45 plug. I hope no one remains confused.

The BNC/Video cables you get in these kits are just 'one' cable, split at the ends into video + power. You're laying/tacking one cable. You might be confusing the ends, which yes heaven help us, you have to plug in to two separate connectors. No need to spread misinformation, someone here might actually believe what you're saying.

And if you're struggling for an extra power socket, just get a better PSU, it's easy enough to power the DVR and 4 cameras off the same supply.

Thanks.

Not used a dvr. Have used a pc/server/nas box.
But you will need a Poe switch to power and communicate with camera.
Benefits....free surveillance app, connection over the internet, movement detection emails with picture(annoying but may come in handy), plus you can also store your music and videos and watch remotely.

Wished they did black ones.

My bad... 2 power bricks not 5 instead of just 1 for POE.

Don't be silly now... an 8 core network lead does not equal two cables. A BNC cable and a power cable, however, do.

I have my handbag out ready if you'd like to talk some more.

Not a fan of dome cameras with IR leds msyelf, some of the IR light tends to internally reflect off the surfaces of the dome into the lens causing poor night vision. I think the turret designs are better.

Like the dvr one. If I got the Synology would I just need a camera and plug it straight into there after installing the hard-drive? What exactly is the benefit for that Synology? You can use it over the internet? Sorry I have never setup a system like this before.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B017C53TI0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2QGNRRYIY9E
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01BVDJGPE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

What is flat?

I was hoping it would be the flat type.

You can get a synology NAS box which will give you one licence for the surveillance app. All you will need a a HD.

You could use your pc but it may be too noisy. And the zoneminder software is free.

Hikvision DS-2CD2142F-I is the Dome version.

I have sannce with 1.3 mpixcel 4 cameras in hour uses 7.8 gb storage. This model will use 6.5gb x 24 hours =156 gb a day that means you will be able to record 6 days. I installed 5 tb hdd records 21 days with 4 cameras 24 hours

i prefer the dome type, which dome to get ? lol

Simply untrue...

If its only the cam you need... what about an ip camera ?

People are talking about hikvision for 1080p cctv. Can anyone recommend a setup with the Hikvision DS-2CD2042WD-I and the recording box with hard-drive for a good price (also I have plenty of pc hard drives just sat around can you install them yourself inside a blank box)? I only need one camera to watch over my car on the front drive. Thanks.

You can buy AHD, HD-TVI and CDI Analogue High Def CCTV systems that support either 720p or 1080p cameras using coax, although I doubt they are quite as good as equivalent resolution IP systems.

I was actually thinking of getting one of these:- http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_accessries_364_i5792.html which can support both HD-TVI and AHD cameras, plus D1 cameras to replace a truly crap DVR. I'd prefer to go IP, but no way can they afford to replace 16 cameras with IP ones, even though most of them are pretty bad too.

I have installed hikvision and floureon. yes hikvision is a far superior quality system and a lot more expensive. But genuine uk hikvision systems come with a 3 year warranty ! The hikvision app is also in a league of its own. so easy to use and such a great app !

I've got one of these and the cameras are fine

Just ethernet cable only. No need for power socket or cable. But will require poe switch

Well in that case you might as well say a network cable is actually 8 cables. Where are you actually going with this?

My point is, that laying the connecting cable for one of these systems is no more difficult than laying the cable for a POE system. All of these kits use pre made BNC/Power cables. I suspect you already know that, or maybe you don't actually know what you're talking about.

Plus, no, you don't need 4 x power bricks, because again all of these kits come with ONE power brick for all four cameras and a 4 way splitter cable.

The Hikvision DS-2CD2042WD-i I think replaces the 2032. 4meg and Poe. Crystal clear too.

It's two cables and not one (POE is one of course) and you need 4 x power bricks next to the DVR, in addition to the PVR brick) to power them.

Ali express for hikvision. You can get from amazon but more expensive

Any camera system where the cameras are connected via BNC coax can ONLY be standard definition.

I just installed a Yale system. It was easy to set up and pics are adequate. They are regularly on EBay for a reasonable price.

Avoid ANNKE and SANNCE.

https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/annke-1080p-8ch-hd-poe-security-camera-system-is-best-for-home-safety.10746/

IRC wasn't there some security risk to your home network with Chinese systems?

wouldn't touch anything other than hikvision or dahua. I've got an hik nvr but i think dahua nvr's are better personally

I was going to buy a POE IP version of this brand (Annke is also part of the same brand) before I found out about all their corrupt marketing techniques. Most of their Amazon reviews are fake, as are any example image/footage uploads. Granted, a single Hikvision camera costs more than this whole kit, but that's what I'm going for now.

Im thinking of upgrading my setup.. Currently using netgear arlo.

Everyone is recommending Hikvision is that for the cameras and DVR??

Hikvision are the one to get but you have to buy from China to get it cheap

Poe recommended anyone? 4 or 6 camera without the fake reviews would be most welcome

I know, I never said it was. It's a normal BNC wired CCTV kit (the cameras are). So it's just one (pre made shotgun video/power) cable that goes from the DVR to each camera. Plug it in and it just works. So no different to wiring a PoE camera, certainly no more difficult, and I would argue easier to set up because you just plug it in and switch it on.

The OP is not a POE kit.

​Excellent car knowledge, Clarkson.

Well no doubt Hikvision are better kits, they cost significantly more.

These cheap kits are a doddle to install. They all use 'one' cable (power/video joined) so not sure why you think it's any easier to install.

Anyway I dont think this deal is good value. You can pick up any number of similar kits for around £60-£70, plus add a HDD for £30-£40.

Go Hikvision ... good quality and best value out there.

No that's Lamborghini!

These are a heap of ****. I got some and sent them straight back. Bought a Hikvision system and it is spot on.
Cristiano, POE is one cable per camera so basically an Ethernet cable and is easier to install.

If someone wants to hide their face they will, then it doesn't really matter if the cameras are 720p or 4K.

Suggestions or posts for a POE 1080p domestic system at a decent price point would be welcomed.

Don't forget you have to buy a hard drive if you want to be able to record. It's not a complete system.

Cameras are always appalling quality. People see the quality and think all cameras are equal.

A tractor has a bigger engine than a Ferrari, which goes faster?

these are fantastic systems but for ease go for the POE version, 1 single cable and no need for extra power

Will nvr get 720p again. Appalling image quality. No point recording or having the cctv when u cant see clearly. POE and 1080p only for me. Nonethless this is a good deal if ur ok with 720p coz the hard drive already costs a chunk

interested but do I need to get a 1080P system?

The floureon systems are 1.3 mp and roughly the same price on ebay

Tractor obviously goes faster than a Ferrari, if you ever had tried to plough a field in an Enzo....

1080p only for me.

Are they wifi/wireless ?