Seems like a lot of money for a four year old laptop with HD4000 graphics and a presumably near-exhausted battery.

Yeah my 5 inch phone screen is a massive 720p and it kill my eyes :neutral_face::man:

If you're willing to bend the truth a bit (or maybe not, depending on your circumstances), you can.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

For reference:

15.6" 1366x768 = ~100 PPI
12.5" 1366x768 = ~125 PPI*
12.5" 1440x900 = ~135 PPI
15.6" 1920x1080 = ~140 PPI

*This laptop

Although this has a 1366x768 display, it'll be nowhere near as bad as 15.6" laptops with displays of the same resolution.

hi.whats the screen resolution?

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I'm not 100% sure I know what HD means any more! Does anyone have an idea of how good the screen is?

I've been looking for a £300 laptop for a wee while: would the 240gb SSD upgrade + another 4gb of RAM be good investments?

Seems like a lot of money for a four year old laptop with HD4000 graphics and a presumably near-exhausted battery.

Yeah my 5 inch phone screen is a massive 720p and it kill my eyes :neutral_face::man:

Got one first time round and it's been brilliant. A Few surface marks on the case but it doesn't matter, it's super quick and over-powered for general use (social, emails, etc.) Definitely worth the money if you're wanting something you can boot up quickly or carry around.

Totally different usage patterns.
Some people love high-resolutions screens, some people cannot get along with them and immediately ask someone to change the DPI scaling so they can see menus etc. Think the default menu font in Windows is around 10 pixels high so it would be under 3mm on a 12.5" 1080P screen.
12.5" @ 1080P is a dot pitch of 0.256mm, same as 4K on a 25" screen.

Looks like a great deal, especially when compared to the 'Grade B' refurbs that eBay is filled with.

For reference:

15.6" 1366x768 = ~100 PPI
12.5" 1366x768 = ~125 PPI*
12.5" 1440x900 = ~135 PPI
15.6" 1920x1080 = ~140 PPI

*This laptop

Although this has a 1366x768 display, it'll be nowhere near as bad as 15.6" laptops with displays of the same resolution.

I agree about the 1080p @ 12.5" thing.

However, the the jump from 768p to 900p on a 12.5" display is only a ~8% increase in pixel density. In other words, nothing to worry about (assuming that the panels are of equal quality aside from their resolution). It's not like jumping from 768p to 1080p on a 15.6" display, where the PPI increase is ~40%.

Any way you can upgrade this to windows 10 for free still?

Thats still viewing at 1080p pixels though and you can change those settings without down scaling.

My point was HD4000 graphics, who wants to go back to that, one of the best things I did was give away my old Ivybridge laptop to a nephew who ended up buying a laptop, we are four generations of Intel HD graphics on since HD4000 and again, presumably the four year old battery isn't going to be able to hold much of a charge, which is to say does the vendor guarantee two and a half hours from a used four year old battery?

Thanks :smiley:

I doubt that HD4000 graphics are going to be a problem for anyone who doesn't want to play games or do any other graphically intensive tasks (which I would imagine is anyone buying a 12.5" business class laptop). They're fine for 1080p video playback and that's about all that's ever going to asked of lots of people's laptops.

What were you using your HD4000 equipped laptop for that made it so bad? It's not like the modern Intel graphics offerings have turned average laptops into high end gaming machines. If you want any serious graphics horsepower, you still need a dedicated GPU.

I got one of these grade A a while back and really good, but was an i7 for £30 more. I just got 2 more for my office for around £179 and again, all is good, same spec as these. A few more dings and not cleaned but grade B - fine for the hotdesks in the office.

Great price - you can find cheaper on occasion but it's rare to find a machine with the spec already 'made good' by the pre-fitted SSD and 8GB RAM. Seriously, people complaining about 'HD resolution' - it's the norm anyway and it's not like you're paying £400+ for a premium machine, then you might have something to complain about; given that even most £400 machines don't have SSDs which is what makes older machines snappy. I'd take a 2-3 year old business-grade Dell, HP or Lenovo over the cheap plastic offerings of today.

Anyway for those asking, it isn't a bad 12.5" panel, it's actually pretty good contrast and brightness.

Should I go for 32 bit win 7 or 64 bit win 7? I'm going to be using DAW software (Cubans ax, reason, fl studio etc). Just a simple explanation of compatibility issues thank you please!

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Please can someone advise if it's worth paying the £52 quid for the 3 year warranty? I'm clueless about this stuff, I need a laptop for my uni work so I don't need bells and whistles, but I need it to be reliable.

Good price though I'd be concerned what condition the battery is in. If it only holds charge for a couple of hours or so, it's not very useful....

Have similar from work, very, very well built. I wouldn't buy as it would remind me of work lol, even a brand new battery on mine only lasts 2.5 hours max so if lasts 2 hrs, that good. I think it's a superb deal for a Corporate machine, nothing can touch it for the money IMO.

my dell 6320 keeps up with most laptops even these days apart from games..........

its a i5 8gb ssd drive. gps and hscdpa module installed....backlit keyboard......and cost me in total about £150

​My 5.5 inch screen burns at 1440

Yeah.... My 8.9" 1920x1200 tablet is completely unusable...

It's a £200 laptop with a 12.5" display; compromises have to be made.

If your use case requires more space to work then a laptop with a larger, higher resolution display is what you need. This is what it is; a relatively small and portable business class machine with decent performance for less than £200.

I wouldn't bother. It comes with a 12 month warranty and anything that's likely to cease working correctly due to a manufacturing defect will probably show up within that first 12 months if it's going to show up at all.

Laptops are generally pretty reliable things (assuming they're not abused, which a warranty wouldn't cover anyway), especially business class stuff like this.

You can add Windows 10 Home for an extra £20 which would save the hassle of doing it yourself.

Pretty expensive brick?

I have had one of these for just over a year and upgraded to 16gb ram. Absolutely flies and will deal with anything you can throw at it. Boots Windows 10 from cold in about 8.5 seconds. Wont play many games but for £200 its as good as it gets.

I've had this thing since buying it brand new from Dell Factory Outlet in Oz for about £241 in 2013. Did a ram upgrade, SSD replacement and put in one of those utterly dreadful Intel 7260 BT/Wifi NICs (BT is a nightmare on those things).
The machine's been through hell and back, it's been my main daily driver and used to death for just over 3 years now. Batteries aren't too bad, it's very easy to work on and upgrade (and clean for vent cleaning), keyboard is vastly better than the chiclet nightmares you see on most series. I run Win10Pro-64 on 8gig of ram, I run a series of VMs on it and I use the multi-desktop support to open things and segment them when on internal screen only; it reduces the drawback of 1366x768 quite a bit. I've done quite a bit of gaming on it, it's quite surprising what you can run on an HD4000 - I had an external 1920x1080 screen connected via HDMI. Ran up to Fallout New Vegas without a huge quality or performance hit.
Build is solid (proper metal frame), that's the main selling point - it's not particularly thin but it's not ridiculous either, it also has an E-SATA/USB port (I think you have to configure AHCI boot for your primary drive to enable it though).
Overall performance has been surprisingly good, 16gig of ram would be a better upgrade than the mere 8 I bought it though.

I bought an E6420 a couple of years ago for about £100. Add a hdd caddy that fits into the dvd bay and a 120gb SSD and you've got a quick, solidly built laptop for £130! 120gb SSD and a 320gb regular hard drive. I've had no issues with the 4gb or RAM, but upping it to 8 is quick and cheap.
It worked well enough that I bought a second and now my Mother has an identical laptop so if there's an issue I know what she's likely to have done! :smirk:

Good deal. Great spot OP
Would make a good laptop for study

erm, certainly not a good price.

I just picked up a same E6230 spec to this (but with 500MB hdd) on ebay fro £130. Same seller still has 3 more and upped his price to £135. The one I bought has windows 10 and there is a windows 7 COA sticker as well on the bottom

In fact there are a few refurbished E6230 sellers on ebay selling for less

500gb HDDs are dirt cheap, Id rather have the SSD.
What kind of warranty are they giving on ebay?

Why would you study it?

Same reason people stare at concentrated orange juice

What I would do for a dual 4k on 25" screens for sensible money

Does it look stylish

​500mb hard drives are even cheaper! :wink:

Is it worth upgrading the RAM to 12GB for an extra £36?

too late OOS

There's a 'B' grade option on the site for about 175 quid.

out of stock

no

Grade B version still in stock! Still looks like a good deal based on grading details in the website.

http://www.gigarefurb.co.uk/dell-latitude-e6230-intel-core-i5-3rd-gen-2-60ghz-8gb-ddr3-ram-128gb-ssd-windows-7-pro-grade-b.html

http://www.gigarefurb.co.uk/lenovo-thinkpad-t420-refurbished-laptop-intel-i7-2-50ghz-4gb-ddr3-memory-320gb-hard-drive-windows-7.html

is this one worth the money?

not bad at all, or spend 1500 on an apple lol

Not sure, but why would you?
Win10 is terrible

OOS now:(

Why so?

Would this be able to handle Football Manager?

No

Out of stock

how bad is the hd4000 graphics? which games would you get away playing on it ? I have a load of older steam & origin games that I have collected & not played yet. I just got the c&c collection, how would it cope with them ?

Pfft, my 5.3" phone has a mind boggling 1440p screen, my eyes died ages ago.

Because unless you have dozens of tabs opened at the same time or do video editing or use a package that requires allot of RAM, 8GB is going to me more than enough, specially with the specs of this. I have 16gb of RAM on my PC ad I don't think I've ever used more than 5GB.

Its not bad as such, just not designed for gaming.
It will play a lot of older games which were designed to run on a lot less.

Google the games you are thinking followed by hd4000 and im sure someones asked the same question before.

​8gb is about £39 on amazon and its pretty easy to upgrade yourself. just look on youtube.

Email confirmation of delivery tomorrow, anyone else had this?

yes.. I've had confirmation too =)

Yes

Can anyone see any reasons why i couldn't connect one of those docks and run an external HD on the eSATA port as a proper working drive rather than just storage on this Dell? I need a fair bit more storage than the SSD but i can't be having all the latencies USB drives have or is USB3 much better in that regard now? I'm still stuck on USB2 here with an 8 year old desktop.

Do you really need the optical drive?
If not remove it and fit a 2TB SATA HDD in its place.

Windows and programs on SSD and storage on HDD.

That would be even better yes but as far as i can see it doesn't have an optical drive.

Damn, your right. Had planned to do that when mine arrived.
Id seen E6230 drive caddys on ebay and just assumed.

Oh well, usb 3 drive it is for me then.

Mine just arrived two days after ordering, good service.
Seems really fast, well built if a little bit dated.
For the price though I'm pretty happy.

For those that have missed out like myself its back in stock get ordering.

mine arrived this afternoon, fast machine and smooth, for the money i'm well happy

This was being sold with Bluetooth, mine doesn't appear to have it... anyone else tried ?

Mine has bluetooth, have your tried searching bluetooth?

i have but the drivers missing and wont download... seems to be a few probs with dells and the bluetooth

Got my Grade B one delivered today. Minor mark on the lid, otherwise I'd thought it was Grade A. Haven't got round to testing the battery life yet, that's my main worry.

Edit: So Windows is already saying "considering replacing your battery". That's not good, that should be in the description really. Pretty major thing, way more than cosmetic issues.

Well, top marks for customer service. Sent an email and they'll replace the battery if I pop in on Monday (I'm just round the corner luckily). Responded immediately too.

​Received mine today quiet a few dents on the lid and looks as though I may have been sent a Grade B have ordered Grade A in the past but have to admit this is below Grade A.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Latitude-E6230-CHEAP-LAPTOP-Core-i5-3320M-2-60GHz-WINDOWS-10-HDMI-Warranty-/321930712874?var=&hash=item4af490d72a:m:mWeZWAeyd22qN4fxvdNOXEA

£140 here but with 4gb of ram and a sata driver

​Thanks saw them was after grade 1/A so didnt get that from them, even though I received B equivalent lol

Much appreciated

I bought the grade B with the £5 off which was £170, it has some scratches around some of the ports but it was purely cosmetic damage. The screen was absolutely fine. Once I cleaned the outside and gave the screen a wipe with a microfibre cloth it's cleaned up well. I'm going to have this in my backpack so it's likely to get a few bumps and scratches. As for the performance I can't complain at all I've been using it with visual studio community 2015 and it does everything I need it to.

For £170 it seems to be a decent spec machine and as long as you don't want it in pristine condition it seems like a really good machine.