I fully disagree. No one complains when an organisation commits money to staff training and development, invests in infrastructure and generally improves the business operations. If a charity does it, however, then it's a scandal.
Switch your brains on for five minutes, it costs money to stay operational, charity or not. I personally want a charity running like an efficient business, not some ramshackle collection of well meaning imbeciles

Is it just me, but the thought of discounting such a significant icon is abhorrent? Nice deal, but all profits, £4.50 from the retail selling price of £15.00 will be paid to The Royal British Legion. This means that only £1 is donated. I guess every £1 helps, but this sort of item should not be discounted in my opinion.

One last point is my grandad who passed a couple of years ago said that the great thing about the poppy appeal is that it used to be done with a quiet dignity which he said seems to getting eroded away with people seemingly wearing them as a fashion accessory rather than a symbol of remembrance.One thing which stuck out for me though was last year we went to look at the ceramic poppy wave display which was put on at the Yorkshire sculpture park.The amount of people who were taking smiling selfies in front of the display was sickening

support someone's salary. Don't be stupid people. These 'charities' pay themself first

Is it just me, but the thought of discounting such a significant icon is abhorrent? Nice deal, but all profits, £4.50 from the retail selling price of £15.00 will be paid to The Royal British Legion. This means that only £1 is donated. I guess every £1 helps, but this sort of item should not be discounted in my opinion.

You should buy one every year even if these metal ones last forever

I've wanted one of these every year as my paper ones always fall off and get lost after a few hours!! This way I can have a lovely poppy, contribute to a good cause and continue contributing each year :smiley:

Just a note it says all profit, but we don't know how much their costs are, or what their accountants say they are!

So you could be donating far less than you think.

Great deal but doesn't do much in terms of support.

Just Wearing one of these shows support

I know its not the full amount but its better than nothing :disappointed: heat added.

"The Poppy® Collection - Join M&S in supporting The Royal British Legion Remembrance commemoration with their beautiful Poppy Collection. All profits, £4.50 from the retail selling price of £15.00 will be paid to The Royal British Legion Trading Limited which gives its taxable profits to The Royal British Legion (Charity No. 219279) and Poppyscotland (Scottish Charity No. SC014096). For more information visit http://www.britishlegion.org.uk. "

support someone's salary. Don't be stupid people. These 'charities' pay themself first

Lovely just brought one thanks :smile:

So basically £4.50 to charity for £3.49 donation?

Hot

This is actually a brooch and not a pin badge, just so people are aware

One last point is my grandad who passed a couple of years ago said that the great thing about the poppy appeal is that it used to be done with a quiet dignity which he said seems to getting eroded away with people seemingly wearing them as a fashion accessory rather than a symbol of remembrance.One thing which stuck out for me though was last year we went to look at the ceramic poppy wave display which was put on at the Yorkshire sculpture park.The amount of people who were taking smiling selfies in front of the display was sickening

Ordered two. Always donate, but never take the paper poppy as they never last the day. Reviews say they're lovely but fastener is rubbish, so if you buy make sure it is firmly secured when wearing.

nicer than a paper poppy and you can still put money in the tin without taking a paper poppy.

It's got really bad reviews, flops down and falls off as it's too heavy for the fastening.

Ordered one, thanks OP. I had one of the original Buckley brooches which I loved but lost so this is perfect for me. I still make a donation every year when wearing a brooch just like I would if I wore a paper poppy. Unfortunately I seem to destroy the paper ones and it seems very disrespectful to wear a tatty one or nothing at all.

I fully disagree. No one complains when an organisation commits money to staff training and development, invests in infrastructure and generally improves the business operations. If a charity does it, however, then it's a scandal.
Switch your brains on for five minutes, it costs money to stay operational, charity or not. I personally want a charity running like an efficient business, not some ramshackle collection of well meaning imbeciles

I have a Buckley brooch that I wear every year, but I still donate, just don't take the paper Poppy as I always lose them

Well I guess some would say that it's not enough that you remember the sacrifice and the loss, you must show you remember. It's such a small thing why would anyone not do it? Doing this also goes some way to passing the message on to younger generations.

People. This is a charity. A recognisable and well intentioned charity. To the posters who suggest charitable causes don't get the full benefit of donations, they "may" be right - I don't know. But the charities at least get something. We've not got a lot of disposable income these days so we look at what's on offer and decide accordingly. As far as a charity is concerned there's no right or wrong. You go with what you believe, and even the fact you're prepared to donate is ace. I lost family I'll never get the chance to know, so for me - good call op

Ordered one, always wanted, the price is too good to miss it !

I would say that men probably wouldn't wear a brooch. You might be more interested in the poppy lapel pin badge. You can buy them on Amazon (supplied by the British Legion) for £4

I think it's disrespectful not to take the time to get a poppy and support veterans if you're that way politically inclined. I understand other people don't agree with the poppy and I don't judge them for not wearing it but for me personally, with the values I hold, it feels disrespectful not to make an effort.

Ordered - thank you. I will still buy a paper poppy and the British Legion is my chosen Sparks card charity.

Many people choose to remember in their own way and donate to charity in their own way. It is a peculiarly British thing that we have to show other people that we have supported/donated a particular cause.

Supporting war or even accepting it as being ok or somehow necessary only supports the salaries of politicians, arms dealers and other individuals that are of no real use to society. It all comes down to profit, expansion of borders and other methods of one group of people obtaining control over another group of people. No, the second world war wasn't about freedom, it was one empire fighting another emerging empire over land. Eugenics was an idea in the UK and US long before the Nazis were voted (yes) into power in Germany, it's where they got their ideas from. The history of this country and the archaic royals that are still hanging around are just as bad, if not worse than anyone that they fought against in the world wars.

This idea that people fought for your freedom is stupid, you don't have any freedom now...they just realised that jackboots and troops on the street weren't the way to take it from you because people tend to fight back. The Gestapo is now that little device in your pocket...keep taking those selfies and sending those emails, must keep our glorious dictator up to date on your lives! Maybe take a picture of your new poppy badges to show allegiance to her system.

Get this if you wish and then put whatever money you deem suitable in the collection tin. First hand experience of the help that the British Legion can and does supply so money does get to where it is meant to go.

I'm ex military and myself and colleagues wear these (or similar) but always put money in collections annually. I also make sure I buy something from the shop regularly and then give as gifts. Remember this is not Help For Heroes or similar who only support more recent conflicts (Iraq, Afghanistan) due to the nature of how they have been set up. Legion supports all military and x military.

IMO the comment about beggars is frankly insulting but at least you have the freedom to make it I guess. Please also don't give to any non recognised military charity who may be collecting in your local area. A lot have appeared and the money is not getting to where it should be going and doing the good you intend it to as collectors work on commission!!

I don't agree with the common view that we all have to wear a poppy to show that we remember - I think that it's merely for show these days with everyone forced to wear one to appear on tv.



OK, I thought you were saying that everyone should be so inclined. Good for you to hold your own views.



Well said! Some people get so wound up that others choose not to wear a poppy that it makes a mockery of the sacrifice of the soldiers that died to allow us the freedoms that mean we can choose not to do so.

That's right, stick your head in the sand and ignore any points made entirely. This is the Internet after all.

I am sorry but a charity should accept 100% donation policy which means anything you donate goes straight to the cause. Admin, logistics, services costs and fees etc should not be used from the donated money and should rather be funded separately, example with sponsors.

3% Quidco too.

-r

I do wonder about this site sometimes - I thought it was a "deals" site - this is a deal (it's reduced from £15 to £3.49 = DEAL). Your politics, beliefs etc., are irrelevant. If you don't want it, don't buy it - simple.

All of us serving and retired soldiers, sailors and airmen will think your comment very disrespectful of our dead and injured comrades.

Not sure about the "support" part - donation is based in the retail price of £15

?? WTF - love the get out of jail comment "for example" - on the flip side if joe public could be proactive with charities and complete a gift aid form along with their donation then a lot of charities would be more stable.

On a side note: Most charities only exist because of a gap that government is not filling.

Picture the charge of the light brigade with only horses, but no riders, or the defence of Rourke's Drift (film Zulu) with no defenders when the Zulus attacked........ why I hear you ask .............. because all the brave people who defended our freedom decided to instead run away and seek asylum or take refuge in another country...... get my point ?

You're right, but as long as the buyer continues to buy 'proper' poppies each year the Legion is no worse off and hopefully will get at least something from the M&S poppy.

OOS:(

I know someone who deals with the charitable payment processing for Marks and Spencer and they told me that since this item sells for £1.01 less than the usual £4.50 donation, Marks and Spencer actually claim back £1.01 from The Royal British Legion!

Happy to buy this and contribute money that wasn't spent on poppies every year and reduce waste too. Simple. It is a symbol of your sentiment, the amount you donate and is up to you really and doesn't need to stop at the price of any poppy you buy.

Absolutely, charities should just generate the money they need for their running expenses. For example they could plant a money tree, find precious metals in the ground or simply realise that they had a load of money in their accounts that they had forgotten about until just now. Frankly it astounds me that they have resorted to sourcing funds via traditional means without first exhausting the abundance of wealth available from magical and mythological origins.

I know someone who has any small experience of retail ever, and apparently that's not how it works, not even close. Perhaps my imaginary friend and yours should have a fight.

Disgraceful. And riddled with irony.

You fabricated a pro-war straw-man so that you could trot out some inchoate ramblings that contributed nothing to an argument that no-one was having. If you want people to respond to your points I suggest you try first having some.

I have to say the Royal British Legion shop also has many sale items too. It's all about showing support, recognition and then donating or helping as much as you are prepared to. For most people poppies are a poignant reminder due to the backstory and even the most ignorant must have some understanding of that.

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

Lol at people thinking employees of a charity should work for free.

I'd like to see proof of that

Because the brooches change every year, so people who to want them will buy the new ones next year. At least the charity still benefits rather than throwing them in the bin. People also wear the same one they did last year so there's technically no loss anyway.

Also some people sell them on eBay.

Oos

Lol at volunteers in general?

A charity should not have to pay "collectors" (individuals or corps.) Now that i understand its actually a "job" i would be alot less sympathetic towards that collector knowing that they are drawing money from a charitable institution than I would for some poor old dear\boy who probably lost someone close to them in the conflicts these signify, sincerly appreciate the support and there under their own free will.

The job for looking after our own people has been outsourced.

Shameful.

If these charities really care then they should donate 200%.

PoppyScotland! Drives me nuts how they have to isolate themselves from the rest of the country when we are one! So divisive for no decent reason!

We don't call the English one PoppyEngland because we have no desire to cause a problem and highlight an issue that isn't there.

Grow up!

And as for NHS Scotland.....

The same scumbag will no doubt be making excuses for extremism bigotry and murder by ....shall we say non-westerners or non-white.

Then it suddenly becomes different when demanding more and more money to give to middle east, Africa - "Save the children !" they say - (who somehow become 40 year old men who've never seen a day of want in their lives - or work) and and lets ignore how most of the money disappears into the pockets of middle class PC types (One such middle class feminazi was reported in the press as getting quarter of a million a year out of it)
And you have the monumental arrogant stupidity to whine about the poppies ?

If remembering our fallen from the past is supporting war then guilty as charged.

WE WILL REMEMBER THEM

I teach War Studies. In WWI 10 soldiers died for every civilian. Now 10 civilians die for every soldier. After WWII people didn't really wear poppies, especially footballers! Ironically, as the number of soldiers' deaths decreases we are ever more zealous about wearing them. With respect, the poppy has had its day.

Do you do your job for free, or do you expect to earn what you're worth in the free labour market?

This idea that people who work for charities shouldn't get paid appropriately is a bit silly. Some of these charities are large organisations handling billions in donations/grants each year (I'm not exaggerating!), do you really think these organisations don't need top leadership? How do you suggest we get someone of sufficient experience and calibre to run a multi-billion organisation for under £60k?

Comic relief, who you so freely criticise, get over £200,000,000 in grants/revenue/donations annually. Do you really think nobody in an organisation responsible for that much money should be earning more than a train driver?

Just a little reality check.

No I dont. But you can live healthily on £50k a year. Or even £60k.

That's not a free economy. Ultimately, Comic relief make a tonne, but anyone would if you were a BBC day charity.

The high paid staff theory is overrated.

Read about the guy at a credit card company in the USA who cut his salary to $50k. It's interesting.

We accept it because pay inequality has become the norm.

WOW!...A lot of loonies on here.

I'm sorry, but you're talking nonsense.

Sure you can live on £50k a year. Does that mean people shouldn't aspire to more? You're talking to me via a computer, that exists because someone aspired to more. You're writing this on a forum, that exists because someone aspired to more. You get where I'm going with this? Doesn't mean everyone has to want it, but it is normal to expect your pay to reflect the value you bring.

What do you mean that's not a free economy?

What do you mean comic relief make a tonne? They have no shareholders... they are non-profit... they publish public accounts which are audited... what are you talking about?

What high paid staff theory are you referring to?

If someone can go elsewhere and earn £100,000, but they choose to instead work for a charity and accept £50,000, that is in effect the exact same as them donating £50,000 themselves in lost earnings. So what you're saying is you want these charity workers to donate huge amounts individually in lost earnings, rather than the cost being spread across everyone donating towards the cause?

Some individual choosing to reduce his salary does not change this. I can tell you about a guy on YouTube that pretends to be a snake, that doesn't make us all reptiles does it?

Pay inequality being the norm has nothing to do with your comment specifically on charities does it?

Calm down :wink:

I've worked at plenty of charities, and also plenty of corporate companies. I can tell you that charities are by far the most wasteful with their money. Yes, some are good, but the vast majority haemorrhage money. They're typically poorly ran. It's a shame really.

I find charities to donate to that have low wage costs, its a personality choice at the end of the day.

Why is it always "calm down" when people don't have a reply to the questions raised? =/

It's absolutely your personal choice which charities you donate to. However when you post on a public forum about it and put down other charities with nonsense that clear is not substantiated, don't be surprised to get called out on it.

Can I believe there are examples of poorly run charities that waste money? Yes, just like any other type of organisation.

Does that mean it's not worthwhile to invest in bringing the right people into the organisation to manage huge sums of money / resource / brand reputation / employees? No, just like any other type of organisation.

I would normally use a winking smiley to make it clear that a post is a joke, but I honestly thought that this one was so obvious that the smiley wasn't necessary

I was clearly mistaken.

It's more a lack of will to write an essay in truth

Quoted for truth.

Did you just make that up?
:-)

I was thrown but the lack of humour. I would go back to telling people when you think you're being funny.

Back in stock for those of us who have finished arguing about which charity does what.. It is a deal forum after all no..? :confused:

I live in Rotherham and for a couple of years the town has been blighted by the grooming scandal.As soon as that happened our town was inundated with far right marches of the National Front,Combat 18,BNP,Britain First and the EDL.One occasion they held a march where all of them came here at the same day.Somebody I know worked in a pub where they met and before they marched one of the leaders made a kind of war cry in which he asked if everyone had fetched their poppies as that will "p*ss off the p*ki b**tards".They apparently walked out of the pub with poppies,crucifixes and ironically some decided to do nazi salutes.
The point I'm making is that let's not let this symbol of remembrance/peace be hijacked.

Oh really ? Note how reluctant the BBC were to name what these celebs made from the Pudsey thing.
And we STILL don't know because they prevaricate and mix it up with their usual bloated salaries.
The volunteers make nothing - the BBC staff and the celebs coin it in. And no-one gets to know much of why the usual PC subjects dictate that the money goes where THEY want not where the public THINKS it goes to
Ditto with the charities.

In comparison the poppy business is the sould of honesty and integrity.
I ONLY give to childrens charities. HOME charities only. And the PDSA - but happily buy a poppy AND the metal ones.
Meanwhile those mouthing off about "war" will give to those wanting to bring THEIR wars HERE

I didn't say collectors, I said employees. It's difficult to explain if you don't know how organisations operate.

Nice story, and that's exactly what it is because C18 ceased to exist within a few months of fatty Sargeant topping another one of their mob at Sherrards House in Harlow about the B&H concert/cd sales money.

That happened proabably 20 years ago now, in fact I've recently heard on the grapevine Sargeant is out now having done his stretch for that murder, that's how long ago!

So please stop trapping off the same old tired leftist lies trying to tarnish our war dead with scare mongering about an organisation that hasn't even been about since the last millennium!

Oh dear.The "leftist" bit nearly floored me.Combat 18 were there poppet because the pictures of them (albeit only about a dozen) were pictured in our local rag.I thought they were old news and also the National Front but they were there.There was funnily enough a fight that broke out between a few EDL and the others because the EDL didn't want to be associated with self confessed racists.
One last thing.How is my "story" tarnishing the memory of people like my granddad and uncles ????

Oh well if there's a pic of a dozen white geezers on the front page of the Rotherham Advertiser it must be C18 eh? Even though you got a real person who is a close friend of someone who was in their top five 100% guaranteeing you they have not existed here for donkey's years. My life, even the most unconnected website will tell you they died here in the UK the day Sargeant killed that geezer for something stupid like 50 or 100 grand.

You do realise you sound like a parrot droning off a load of old pony that some clueless student from Searchlight might have written in an article about Chelsea after the Macintyre programme caught their posse out whenever that was don't you?

The fact you are so thick or brainwashed or a bit of both to not make the connection of how the left always stereotype those who wear the poppy proves my point all the more 'poppet' so just get back to trolling right footer vids on youtube, if ever I come across a groovy username like RotherhamUAF I'll know who it is :smirk:

How on EARTH am I stereotyping people who wear a poppy? I simply find it ironic that organisations such as the above mentioned will use the poppy to peddle their own agenda.

Oh I've looked at your profile picture or whatever you call it and you look just like one of those gutsy balaclava covered people who walk around our town chanting the dreaded E. E. E.D.L. .....etc etc.
So which "Division"X)do you belong to?

So way off the mark, what is that small red logo label on the top of the hood Einstein? Also having looked at my profile you'd have noticed the #NOLU wouldn't you?

No one like us Millwall, whilst the EDL was a Luton thing so in your dreams 'poppet'

An educated guess says you really won't have a clue about any of what I've just pointed out to you, if that's the case it might be an idea to just let this go, when you find yourself in a hole stop digging n all that :smirk:

Re-opened as back in stock

So much anger on this thread. It's the sort of thing that starts wars

I don't want to give money to anyone, I'm saying that the concept of nations and borders (and therefore wars over them) is outdated and disgusting. I think there's something wrong with politicians, if what you get out of bed for each day is to control other people and rule over them then there's something wrong with you mentally. My issue with poppies is what they represent and how people have been brainwashed to think that people fought for their freedom. The British government have historically been just as bad as the Nazis. Why? Because they're the same types of people, every government of any significance in the world is made up of greedy psychopaths.

This is especially important now as Britain is rapidly sliding into fascism and everyone is likely to just sit back and say "oh, that type of thing couldn't happen here/again". The Germans didn't see it coming either, it's how social engineering works.


Yes, I know that Britain steals land. I don't need a picture displaying your propaganda on stolen land.

But you'd gladly subscribe to a border less government/administration that 'steals' money from anyone like me who owns a couple of properties mortgage free and has a few bob in the bank I assume?

So paintings of actual memorials in Flanders by the ancestors of those who fell a century on is propaganda?

You really are a prize pxxxk mate, proper!

So a very close friend of mine was/is an MI5 agent yet OB still come through his door on a fairly regular basis, seems bit bizarre that his spy meisters ain't looking after him and his sons a bit more then I'd have thought but you know best.

I am guessing you learned a lot about the modus operandi of the establishment when downing endless cans of Super T whilst on tree watch with Swampy during the Newbury bypass days so thanks for the insight.

On to borders and nations that must mean you're also suggesting that all the descendants of famine dodgers leave the mainland and return to the emerald isle, controversial but I like your honesty.

No...Are you that much of an idiot that you can't understand a simple concept? They set it up then leave you to it.

They go into a pub where all of you idiots are falling around drunk dreaming about what brave warriors you are, yet you're too drunk to stand up nevermind formulate a plan of action. Then they tell you how they agree about the immigrants and all of the other rubbish you want to cry about and they tell you about this idea for an organisation, paramilitary or whatever that they've had...because you're too braindead to come up with it yourselves. Then they leave you to it.

Meanwhile their slightly more tanned colleagues are in a mosque telling young men how they agree with ridding the world of infidels and that they've had an idea for an organisation. Then they leave them to it.

This is the same method that they've used in other countries to put in place their regime of murder and oppression, divide and conquer. This is how the cold war was fought. These people are psychopaths, they can set aside their emotional attachment to an ideology in order to pretend to support your ideology and use you for the benefit of turning you against fellow human beings. "In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go" :wink:

You're just attempting to attack me personal so that you can ignore the points that I'm making either because you don't understand or you don't have a viable argument. But as I've said, this is the Internet after all. I'm very against socialism, either of the Soviet variety or the National Socialist variety...it's all theft and oppression to me. I'm not a "lefty" or anything like that, I don't support either "side". I don't support welfare programmes or anything like that...though it wouldn't hurt to turn that big council house that they call Buckingham Palace into something more useful for everyone.

No, I'm suggesting that all of the intellectually challenged "British" people complaining about illegal immigration should have a word with their government about giving back the land that's been stolen over the years and withdrawing any remaining troops from other countries that they're not welcome in (that's anywhere outside of their own country btw). So it's nothing to do with victims of the famine or other acts of state terrorism.

Nice speech, just you're forgetting that by default human nature dictates we like some people and hate others. As for trying to suggest I was part of that click, pipe down dinlow because any crimes I've ever been involved in during my past had positive consequences for my financial well being.

By the way, I'm the son of a cold war refugee myself so keep making yourself look more ridiculous if you wish but at least do it by DM to save everyone else this constant stream of old pony.......my inbox is always open, especially to a real wise man like you willing to give it to a "brave warrior" like me.

I agree, having a pimped out ETSY version of the normal poppy is downgrading the original, it's saying "yes I'm supporting the cause, but I want to seem richer and more stylish than all those plebs with the paper version".
And those ones that go on cars and stay there year after year, ugh, just wear one yourself or don't bother (biased because my neighbour does this, and he's a smug git)

Sold out again