If you passed your driving test before 2001 no need for further training\test and you can carry a passenger.
KYMCO AGILITY 50 -
As the name suggests the Agility 50 is both light and agile, which makes it great fun to ride.
The Perfect Entry Level Scooter
The Agility 50 has plenty to offer if you are looking for a well made, fuel efficient scooter at an affordable price. To enhance stability, comfort and safety, this scooter has 12 inch alloy wheels, a front disc brake and a light net weight of just 92kg making it easy to manouver and park.
Available in Silver/Black
Fuel Efficient and Environmentally Friendly
The Agility 50 is powered by the latest generation of 4 stroke air-cooled engines, which ultimately makes it highly fuel-efficient, capable of achieving in excess of 120 miles per gallon as well as producing very low carbon emissions.
Great For the City and a Comfortable Ride
The Agility 50 has a relitively low seating position at 785mm, making it ideal for both male and female riders. Pillions are well catered for, with a sturdy foot rest and a grab rail, so you can share your journey with a friend if the mood takes you. The pillion seat converts into a backrest for an ultra comfortable solo ride.
Other features include: front disc and rear drum brakes, electric and kick-start, automatic choke, lockable under seat storage box for helmet, shopping or waterproofs, steering lock, rear carrier, centre and side stands, and the all important fuel gauge.
2 Year Warranty
The Agility 50 comes with a 2-year unlimited mileage manufacturer's parts and labour warranty. you passed your driving test before 2003, no need for further training\test or L plates and you can carry a passenger.
KYMCO AGILITY 50 -
As the name suggests the Agility 50 is both light and agile, which makes it great fun to ride.
The Perfect Entry Level Scooter
The Agility 50 has plenty to offer if you are looking for a well made, fuel efficient scooter at an affordable price. To enhance stability, comfort and safety, this scooter has 12 inch alloy wheels, a front disc brake and a light net weight of just 92kg making it easy to manouver and park.
Available in Silver/Black
Fuel Efficient and Environmentally Friendly
The Agility 50 is powered by the latest generation of 4 stroke air-cooled engines, which ultimately makes it highly fuel-efficient, capable of achieving in excess of 120 miles per gallon as well as producing very low carbon emissions.
Great For the City and a Comfortable Ride
The Agility 50 has a relitively low seating position at 785mm, making it ideal for both male and female riders. Pillions are well catered for, with a sturdy foot rest and a grab rail, so you can share your journey with a friend if the mood takes you. The pillion seat converts into a backrest for an ultra comfortable solo ride.
Other features include: front disc and rear drum brakes, electric and kick-start, automatic choke, lockable under seat storage box for helmet, shopping or waterproofs, steering lock, rear carrier, centre and side stands, and the all important fuel gauge.
2 Year Warranty
The Agility 50 comes with a 2-year unlimited mileage manufacturer's parts and labour warranty.
Top comments
Zontes to Sambat
11 Jan 1716#2
Only because of car drivers with an attitude like yours!
TheOak
11 Jan 174#10
Buy a second-hand 50 of reputable make or better still, do your CBT and get a 125.
POWYSWALES to Sambat
11 Jan 173#4
I drove a moped for 12 years to and from work and never once came of or involved in an accident. My work colleagues would all be stuck in rush hour traffic for over an hour why I was home in 20 minutes, plus add the benefit of being toll free in mersey tunnels saving me another £2.60 a day.
POWYSWALES to m5rcc
11 Jan 173#6
Kymco make parts and engines for Honda and bmw, they share the same 139qmb 49cc engine with Honda., Hence they can back this scooter with a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. I had one for 5 years and put 40,000 miles on it, only needed a few oil changes ( 4 stroke ) 1 new spark plug and 2 new tyres.
Latest comments (185)
will13
9 Feb 17#185
Thanks for replying.
harlzter
4 Feb 171#184
Just a 50
will13
2 Feb 17#183
If you passed your test prior to 2001, can you ride a 125 without the cbt too, or just the 50?
bfreesun
18 Jan 17#182
Have you ridden a Kymco? Do you have any personal experience of Kymcos? Can you suggest something better with the same warranty at this price?
m5rcc
15 Jan 17#181
I never claimed to be an expert. I relay facts.
soldierboy001
15 Jan 17#180
So go away and stop posting.
m5rcc
15 Jan 17#179
Sadly the UK has had enough of 'experts'...
soldierboy001
15 Jan 17#178
I think you will find that the REAL experts, not HUKD experts, will disagree with you about sales, but the quote was to show how far ahead they are in relation to the rest of the world.
Hydrogen is a different kettle of fish as are gas powered buses that have been around for decades but as you can see by world sales not really favoured by operators, who seem to be waiting for the all electric bus like BYD. Many companies world wide are really interested in their product and already licencing agreements are being sorted with other manufacturers to make their products. So sounds very promising.
m5rcc
15 Jan 17#177
Not really. Dacias have Renailt engineering. Kymcos are a company in their own right using their own outdated technology.
m5rcc
15 Jan 17#176
I never stated it was. I'm contradicting the OPs cast-iron message that a Kymco is as reliable as a Honda.
m5rcc
15 Jan 17#175
I think you'll find both M-B already have an all-electric/hydrogen buses all over Europe and have had for decades. I highly doubt the Chinese is going to flood the market with buses.
m5rcc
15 Jan 17#174
So far on HUKD: I have been a VW dealer, a BMW dealer, a RBS employee, a HSBC employee, a civil servant and now a Honda dealer. Try harder next time...
m5rcc
15 Jan 17#173
But I am right. 120mpg is a claimed fuel economy.
bfreesun
15 Jan 17#172
£99 deposit and £36 a month
Cheap transport
TheOak
14 Jan 171#171
Me and many people I know are experienced riders.
Could it be that the operators buy the cheapest they can find because they know the sort of moron that will be riding it and the likelihood of accidents?
We went right accross Cuba on a Chinese bus, 10 hour trip. Very comfortable with excellent air conditioning which is more than I can say for Boris' bus
bfreesun
13 Jan 171#168
No but going back Year after year and seeing the renters still using Kymkos despite the abuse they receive from inexperienced riders makes me think they must be pretty sturdy and good value for money and easy to service for small operators
villan57
12 Jan 17#167
Range Rovers use Ford V8 Diesels built in Chihuahua what's your point ? Bmw used Chrysler neon engines in their Mini Built in Brazil . They used to cost them £350 a pop but it's doesn't make them bad . I guess I'm saying stick a Kawasaki bade on it and nobody would question it . Yes I know most Chinese copies are **** but this isn't a Chinese copy
soldierboy001
12 Jan 17#166
BYD The Chinese electric bus company will be all over the world soon with it's products, 250 Km's on a single charge with promises of more to come. These will be more popular than Mercedes and Volvo. 50 for TfL on initial order and will be made in conjunction with Alexander bodies. Bus companies all over the world are more than interested
Anthonis
12 Jan 171#165
Great deal. comments here compare to Dacia deals comments :confused::smile: Quality, quality ? Who cares you get 2 parts and labour warranty. Every brand has somewhere to start and not everyone can manufacture top quality to compete with current market...
LightningPete
12 Jan 17#164
I like the deal. Looks great on paper. Can see the benefits of students or those doing really short journeys taking advantage.
However shouting through the written word put me off. Its almost as if you are going to benefit from the sales by the way of the title. Maybe its just me.
Dusty
12 Jan 171#163
I'll get my coat!! :confused:
Zontes
12 Jan 17#162
Looks like you have done it again! Predicative or predictive!
TheOak
12 Jan 17#161
Good try but i was actually directly quoting text from the link the other guy sent.
Speaking only from personal experience, I would recommend a year or two on a lower powered bike first. I made a fair few little mistakes on my old 125 that would have been much larger mistakes if I had done them on any of my bikes since.
Kymco are a good brand not well known in the UK, but who wants to get wet?
Zontes
12 Jan 171#157
FedEx. Wow, new one on me. How do you add it to the tank? :laughing:
iwmunt
12 Jan 17#156
Would love a new Honda wave too!
POWYSWALES
12 Jan 17#155
It depends how fast you need, for 12 years my commute was 7 miles, being in a city it was 30mph roads all the way so a 50cc done the job, a lot quicker than all the cars that got grid locked during rush hour. Also has the added benefit that you can not get caught speeding. My scooters paid for themselves over the years as they were so economical, plus they were toll free saving me another £2.60 a day.insurance was around £60 and road tax £16. But the main benefit to me was just not getting stuck in a gridlock every day, at the end of the day I just wanted to get home to my family, by car it would take me over an hour some times but by scooter it was less than 20 mins. I used this one of these kymco scoots for the last 4 years and it never failed to start or get me home, the same can not be said for my Honda vision or Peugeot speedfight. The vision seized one night on the way home from work at around 18,000 miles and my speedfight was very hard to start quite a few times and had to call the RAC.
ssatoh_inreverse
12 Jan 17#154
If you are already calling it "asian crap", then it is not reviews you seek but confirmation bias. A daily mail reader per chance?
sparklehedgehog
12 Jan 17#153
Honda dealer
634miyamoto
12 Jan 17#152
Can this beat me in 0-60 dash?
nougat
12 Jan 171#151
This however is a constructive comment that gave me far more information than the trolling comments
nougat
12 Jan 172#150
When will you give it a rest. This isn't the m5rcc is always right deal thread. Some of us don't want to read your argumentative comments. Stick it in miscellaneous if you want an argument or go on reddit. Personally I am sick of all the threads you are contaminating.
Topgun709
12 Jan 171#149
Or even better, buy an electric scooter, which is both, more environmentally friendly and cheaper to run.
danielUK84
12 Jan 17#148
Remember there is a power to weight ratio restriction too, im too lazy to look at the specifics.
harlzter
12 Jan 17#147
2 stroke v 4 stroke, you get more poke with 2 stroke. Bet you wish you still had the fizzy worth 2k plus now.
harlzter
12 Jan 17#146
Not at all illegal, if riding on a car license as a moped then you shouldnt be riding it, if riding on L's with a valid CBT perfectly fine. Either way the bike is legal, its the licence restrictions that effect you, ie driving otherwise than in accordance to your licence.
DrTerror
12 Jan 17#145
28mph?, in my day,a 1980 Puch Maxi hit 35mph,a 1972 Mobylette would top out at 45mph,both 50cc.A 70's Yami 50cc FSIE would go even faster,with just an aftermarket exhaust pipe!.
mas99
12 Jan 17#144
So still dangerously slow but with the added benefit of being illegal too?
Dusty
12 Jan 17#143
My pizza delivery/bike courier chap has something similar, covered a staggering 78k. He puts it down to 4 monthly oil and filter changes and the occasional dose of Redex.
harlzter
12 Jan 17#142
As purchased will be limited to 28mph to comply with the moped classification, with a few (free tweaks will do about 35mph) usually a washer in the variator. An unrestricted CDI will be about £20 (you can derestrict by snipping a wire but personally would rather just swap the CDI, this will get you to about 40mph.
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#141
Mercedes-Benz use Renault engines in their A-Class. What is your point? Scroll through the A-Class deals in HUKD to the stunned amazement that M-B would dare to use Renault engines. You would have thought M-B would have learned from the cost-cutting experience in the 1990s...
ddclutch
12 Jan 17#140
More reliable than Southern Trains, and a whole lot cheaper than one of their season tickets!
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#139
You won't get 120mpg...
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#138
I was referring to Taiwan's autonomy as a republic of China, but yes, one can buy mopeds/scooters/bikes that aren't made in China.
andreasuk
12 Jan 17#137
They are ok in London or for a short distance instead of a bicycle .
andreasuk
12 Jan 17#136
I dont like the word "technically" in that context for some reason:-)
Its Chinese enough for me not to buy it.
Others can buy not "technically" Chinese mopeds.
hero9989
12 Jan 17#135
Keep looking at these as an alternative to driving my car to work (could probably buy the thing with the amount i'd save on fuel).
How fast are these? Fuel saving is great but If it can't get me to work before lunch I'd rather not!
EDIT: Nevermind - actually checked the website - 30mph. Looks like I'll be looking at a 125!
vtec
12 Jan 17#134
next you will say you like poo.
vtec
12 Jan 17#133
I know the reason.
villan57
12 Jan 171#132
Kawasaki use a Kymco 300cc scooter and badge it as a Kawasaki , Can't see a company like that putting their reputation on the line ...
twoweedogs
12 Jan 17#131
120mpg seems quite fast for a little scooter !!!
stevejames927543
12 Jan 17#130
If you leave one of these Chinese 50cc scooters outside for any length of time they just fall apart. They are good for 3 years when the first MOT is due & that is it. Bin it. Do your CBT & get a 125 as The Oak said. That gives U 2 years of motoring. A lot of these 50cc will struggle to do 20mph up a hill. Get a bit of wind & U could be in trouble because they are so light & under powered. I use a 250cc scooter for transport now & this gets blown around on a bad day.
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#129
It's not technically Chinese.
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#128
Stop disseminating misinformation please..
andreasuk
12 Jan 17#127
Theres a big difference between Japanese bikes and the rest that come from Asia.
andreasuk
12 Jan 17#126
Chinese moped...NO THANK YOU
andreasuk
12 Jan 17#125
or just do the direct access and you will never need a CBT
spatter
12 Jan 17#124
I have a Yamaha 125 which is fairly expensive to run but very reliable. I don't think it's ever broken down in 8 years.
mas99
12 Jan 17#123
The general problem with chinese stuff is the lack of consistency wrt quality.
I know that most small bikes are now made in china - eg the ybr is made by Jianshe.
One problem with the chinese brand bikes is that the quality is not as good as the jap brand bikes even though they are all made in china. I know people who get stuff made in china and they all complain about QA and the difficulty in maintaining production quality.
Another issue is that the chinese brand bikes dont have long term support. They have new models all the time and parts for older stuff can be very difficult to get hold of.
fozzy17
12 Jan 171#122
True the guy is a pleb of the highest order, I have been riding since I was 10, I am now 48 and have lost friends over the years and when you listen to people like him, it makes you sick, thinking its funny someone dying
on another note the bike looks ok for a commuter hack, get two years out of it and throw it in the bin
chedixon
12 Jan 171#121
Try not to bite fozzy, don't feed the troll. Every forum needs a bell end and this one is ours :smiley:
fozzy17
12 Jan 171#120
What a stupid comment grow up, I lost a friend who was on a motorbike to a careless car driver two years ago, he left and wife and two kids, you should be banned from here, don't be so insensitive .
dangermoose5
12 Jan 17#119
I like a Kia
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#118
And the reason why KIA did that was to build a reputation and a customer base. Some people will lean towards that because they are price sensitive and will ignore false economies.
vtec
12 Jan 17#117
Kia motors offer 7 years warranty. doesn't male them a good car.
gtd65
12 Jan 17#116
The Chinese bike comments are somewhat out of date these days.
A good number of "Japanese" marques are manufactured in China as well as a number of other developing Asian countries. (Triumph makes all of their "British" bikes in Thailand.)
I bought a Chinese Honda Cub clone to test the waters and it's been totally reliable with only a couple of minor niggles (I've got a review on you tube)
Based on my experience of the Rider's Super Cub 110cc, I picked up a Lexmoto ZSB 125, which is a surprisingly well built machine, considering it's meant to be a budget option. A friend of mine who is currently learning has a Yamaha YBR125 and he said he preferred it to the Yamaha. Personally, I consider the Yamaha to have a much more refined engine but build quality wise, there was not much in it at all.
I've also purchased a Sym Symba 100, another budget Taiwanese brand and have to say it's well put together.
Based on my limited experience of Chinese bikes, I'd have to say they do the job for a reasonable price.
I'm first an foremost a Japanese car and bike buyer but the price of Japanese branded tiddlers has become ridiculous in recent years....
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#115
When did I say second-hand Hondas are more reliable than new Kymco bikes?
bma1445
12 Jan 17#114
Yeah the rules are a bit silly. If you passed your car test after 2001 (or whenever the date was):
- Taking a CBT once activates your moped license, which lasts the same length as your car license. You can ride a 50cc/moped without L plates as long as you have your car license - you don't need to do another cbt again if you stick to 50cc.
- You can ride up to 125cc, displaying L plates, for as long as your CBT lasts (2 years). If you haven't passed both parts of the motorcycle test by this time, you need to take another CBT. If you pass both parts (not difficult), you can lose the L plates and carry a pillion.
If you only have a provisional:
- If you only have a provisional licence and you're 16, you can ride a 50cc with L plates for the length of the CBT, then you need to take a proper test or redo the cbt
- Once you reach 17, you can ride a 125cc with L plates, but again, just for the length of the cbt.
bma1445
12 Jan 17#113
Cool, so if that is fact, and not your opinion, show me the data backing up your statement that second hand Hondas are more reliable than new Kymco bikes?
Didn't think so.
POWYSWALES
12 Jan 17#112
This is to validate your moped category on your car licence if you passed after 2001, if you don't have a car licence (provisional holder) then A CBT is only valid for 2 years. As said earlier if you passed your car test before 2001 no need for any testing or CBT as you already have a moped licence as part of your licence.
TheOak
12 Jan 171#111
Yeah because renting a scooter for a week gives you such an accurate represntation of what its like to own one for 2 years.
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#110
Well indeed. The OP is obsessed in proving that a Kymco is as reliable as a Honda. Madness!
m5rcc
12 Jan 17#109
Absolutely...
bfreesun
12 Jan 172#108
Thanks OP. Pity these deals end up in stupid arguments. My current bikes are a 2300cc Triumph Rocket 111, a Harley Davidson Cross Bones and a 1250cc Suzuki Bandit. What got me back into biking about 20 years ago was renting scooters in Greece. Many were Kymcos. I have no problem with renting Kymcos to this day although a 500cc would not get my 17stone up many hills I'm sure for a lighter person this is an excellent deal. Just make sure you invest in decent security
Sambat
12 Jan 17#107
Has your brain just engaged? You're about 12 hours too late. WW.
bfreesun
12 Jan 171#106
Kymco are a rereputable make. Don't know if they're in England but I've regularly rented them in Europe . 2 years unlimited mileage should be a clue
mas99
12 Jan 17#105
Is that the case? I thought CBT was only valid for 2 years and had to be re-taken. Or do scooters have a getout?
Part of the reason for that is to encourage people to take a proper test rather than pottering about on L plates forever.
Socsan
12 Jan 171#104
Yes but only once and then you will be able to ride a 50cc without doing another test ever again.
friiza
12 Jan 17#103
Probably just faked their deaths to get away from YOU
spatter
12 Jan 171#102
Rolls don't break down. They 'fail to proceed'!
Philbynature
12 Jan 17#101
a man of esteemed knowledge
AMTF
12 Jan 17#100
This might have been mentioned already, but when I changed my address/photo on my driving licence I was given entitlement to ride a 50cc bike which I didn't have before - I passed my driving test in 2008
worthinger
11 Jan 17#99
You pay extra for more than just design and brand, but any premium related to the brand doesn't come into when you are discussing - as I am - cheap 2nd hand versions and would repay itself via availability of parts etc when/if needed.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#98
Yup - same tech, but they are cheaper, because you are not paying the premium for a Vespa design as I previously said.
worthinger
11 Jan 17#97
No clarification required - the ET 125 (as recommended by me) is a 4 stroke. I was replying specifically to another individual and named my preferred model. The ET2 is a 50 - I didn't mention the model, but if i was 16 and getting a 50cc I would consider it.
Neither a Fly nor a Typhoon offer anything an ET4 doesn't other than more plastic. They will all do the job, my preference is the ET4.
exsportssci
11 Jan 172#96
I bought a Honda pcx 125cc scooter pre reg for not much more. 130mpg and it will do 65 mph. I rode a 50 cc for my cbt and it was just dangerous everyone tries to overtake you when the top speed is 28! If your lawn mower has more power than your motorcycle you know there is something wrong.....
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#95
Yes I am aware of that but both two and four strokes exist for the ET models, for clarification.
Erm, yes. I know that too. But I am saying to buy say a Piaggio Fly/Typhoon as opposed to a Vespa and save further money.
worthinger
11 Jan 17#94
Vespa have been 4 stroke for...donkeys years. Vespa are Piaggio. 2nd hand ET4s hardly carry a premium price.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#93
Well you can actually, you can buy a Japanese scooter or if you want to stick to Italian, then a PIaggio-branded scooter but upgrade to a 4-stroke. You are paying a premium for design on a Vespa.
burnie2011
11 Jan 171#92
I have a P Hooray! Thanks for your help.
burnie2011
11 Jan 17#91
Thanks for your help. That cleared things up!
worthinger
11 Jan 17#90
Don't buy anything Chinese. Avoid anything Taiwanese, but they are a step up from the junk glued together in mainland China.
A nice fairly low mileage Japanese bike will be ideal - regardless of it's age. I'd rather spend money on a 10 year old Japanese bike than buy a new motorbike from any chinese brand. There is a complete lack of quality control...just thousands of factories knocking out similar bikes using cheap, poorly made frames running on incredibly bad replicas of proven Japanese engines. Many of these Chinese bikes aren't even offered with an "on the road" price - they come shipped in a crate and all too often fail the registration inspection (https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval).
Kymco are not all bad. But I wouldn't buy one.
Brands to avoid (google is your friend) = anything you don't recognise. As for the warranties offered on these Chinese things they are not worth the paper they are printed on - really. The scooters themselves need constant fettling to keep them running. There's nothing words than trying to start a piece of **** on a cold, rainy day. Ignore all the defensive fools who have parted with their cash to buy junk, it's just buyers remorse and envy driving them on.
If you buy a Jap bike after CBT ride for a year or so and pass test you'll be able to sell it for near what you paid - maybe more if you buy in winter and sell in spring/summer. Lots of these cheap Chinese imports don't make to their 1st birthday. If you do buy one make sure you subscribe to alerts on Halfords tool kits.
If it's a scooter you want IMHO you can't beat a Vespa. ET125s can be picked up for £400. The body panels are not made in a margerine tub factory and, if you do have an off, can be bought cheaply and easily replaced. The engines are proven and really easy to maintain with parts readily available.
A good experience on a reliable 125 will make you a biker for life.
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 17#89
A few years ago it used to be "p" on your licence, but since are UK licence went all European they changed it to something like "AM"
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#88
Indeed. And that is the case as proven by global reliability indices
They make three models in Italy and it's the only scooter factory in Europe.
Nothing is invincible, obviously. However, some brands are better than others clearly. Kymco is not synonymous with reliability or indeed quality.
Poor analogy given Rolls-Royce is owned by BMW and BMWs are not that reliable.
barneyonion
11 Jan 17#87
Very good price to get on the road.if your commute is all through 30mph areas in town these 50s do the job. A 100-125cc gets you up to 50mph comfortably and about 45mph up steep hills if you plan on going out of town a little. It will be interesting to see how kymco and sym affect Honda sales as I do think honda are slightly overpriced to an extent. For a lot of people scooters are a one or two year stepping stone to something bigger in cc anyway so longterm reliability isnt as much of a concern. Kawasaki use a kymco scooter as the basis for their j3 300 scoot these days.
dealchaser888
11 Jan 17#86
Please note Kymco is Taiwan name brand (not Chinese name brand)
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 17#85
But your argument was that kymco can not be as reliable as a japense company, as I said they don't make hardly any scooters in Japan any more, but you keep referring to Italy because they still make one model of scooter there, you also keep telling me to look online at reliability issue's with Kymco, I could do the same with any manufacturer, even a Rolls Royce can go wrong.
I wonder if anyone can help. I have a full licence passed before 2001, but I can't find the moped entitlement on my licence. Is it just automatically applied? Thanks in advance.
Rusty82
11 Jan 17#82
I appreciate it, thanks.
Sambat
11 Jan 17#81
I'll save you a spot on my offside bumper.
Rusty82
11 Jan 17#80
I often rode my 50cc 100 mile round trips on national speed limit roads regularly overtaking the slower cars.
It is not this vehicle that is the problem, it is the unexperienced riders, generally.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#79
I don't need to repeat myself for a third time.
Again wrong - all Honda SH scooter models, their best sellers, are made in Italy and have been for decades.
I knew of Kymco's existence prior to you copy and pasting Wikipedia.
But because Kymco spun-off from Honda's IP since 1992, you believe that their current spec of bikes are on par with that of Honda today? Let me get Les Dennis online and he'll explain it to you...
Also, if Kymco are such the global brand, which they claim to be, why are they not even in the top 10 in reliability indices in the US, one of the largest motorcycle markets in the world? (Yes Kymco do sell in the US)
mas99
11 Jan 172#78
Buy a used YBR or CBF for under £1K, you'll be able to sell it for what you paid when you move on.
mas99
11 Jan 171#77
Yes
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 171#76
Yes, I was with Bennett who charged me just over £60 fully comprehensive including pillion cover. But this greatly depends on age and location.
mas99
11 Jan 17#75
An owner I take it?
Well, as it happens they won't go over 30mph.
A massive 1.9bhp powers this 90kg scooter (I think learner 125's are underpowered when most are around 10bhp and not much heavier but at least they can manage 60mph on an open road) so the idea that this is going to do well with two people on board *is* laughable.
Something that slow is dangerous on an open road and the idea that people should just do CBT and consider themselves competent on the road is also laughable.
For anyone other than a 16yr old I really dont see the point (assuming 16yr olds can still ride scooters?). Do a proper test (even if just A1) and ride something thats faster than a push bike.
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 17#74
Such as? So what makes you think kymco is less reliable? Honda may be a Japanese company but they rarely make any scooters there, hence why they used Kymco to manufacture engines and complete small bikes under license for 30 years before Kymco made their own brand of scooters and motorcycles.
I bet if you had known Kymco's history in the first place you would not have been so quick to put them down.
danflorin3
11 Jan 17#73
you need insurance for this?
taz05
11 Jan 17#72
Once had a 125cc chinese scooter which was absolutely awful and just lacked power, also had a Peugeot speedfight 125 which was brilliant and quick off roundabouts.
I wouldn't buy a chinese bike again, reliability for me wasn't an issue but once you have ridden a quality scooter you realise they are worlds apart !
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#71
Such as?
As I said, MCN reader surveys and other global reliability indices. Check for yourself.
It's laughable that you are trying to argue that a Taiwanese bike is as reliable as a Japanese bike. Simply laughable.
ollie87
11 Jan 171#70
Aye, that's what I aim for when I'm on the way to work.
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 17#69
I think it proves a lot. So where is your proof kymco are any less reliable than Honda?
JoeBoy88
11 Jan 17#68
I am looking at doing my CBT in the summer and getting a cheap 125cc.
Anyone seen decent deals for them?
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#67
Congratulations. You can copy and paste from Wikipedia.
KYMCO or Kwang Yang Motor Co, Ltd (Chinese: 光陽工業; pinyin: Guāng Yáng Gōng Yè), is a Taiwanese company that manufactures motor scooters, motorcycles, and ATVs for worldwide distribution. Founded in 1963 after splitting from Honda, KYMCO originally made parts for Honda. The company built its first complete scooter in 1970 and began marketing under the "KYMCO" brand name in 1992. In the 2000s, Kymco became the largest scooter manufacturer in Taiwan, and the fifth largest scooter manufacturer worldwide.[1] KYMCO's headquarters and factory are located in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, with about 3000 employees, and producing more than 570,000 vehicles per year. The company has production facilities in Jakarta, Petaling Jaya, Shanghai, Changsha and Chengdu.
In early 2008, KYMCO was chosen by BMW to supply the engines for their G450 X Enduro bike.[2] The optional range extender in the BMW i3 is also supplied by Kymco.[3]
In late 2013, Kawasaki announced that their new J300 scooter is manufactured in partnership with Kymco. It is based on a Kymco Downtown 300i.[4]
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#64
Honda UK had some offers that ended on the 31st December.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#63
And? 125cc scooters are their biggest sellers and they still make those. You had said they don't make anything in Europe. I corrected you.
I like Honda's for commuting because they are reliable and don't let me down. I still have my SH300 with almost 50k miles.
I don't live Honda's. I also have a MV Agusta and a Husqvarna.
Reader surveys from MCN say otherwise...
Rusty82
11 Jan 17#62
I couldn't get that Honda, as I can't afford more than £1300 so I wouldn't know. You got a link for a new Honda for £1700 though? It's for a friend...
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#61
And if you buy a £1.7k Honda it will be worth over £1k after two years. Which is the better "deal"?
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 171#60
But they don't build anything under 125cc in Europe. You have clearly decided KYMCO are poor because you love honda's so much. I liked my 1990 Honda vision met in, I really liked my Peugeot speed fight 2 but my KYMCO was more reliable than both. Honda I'm sure are still great machines but kymco are just as reliable. You keep claiming Kymco are unreliable but apart from your say so you can't show anything to support this.
Rusty82
11 Jan 172#59
Residuals? It's 1300 quid! If you run it for two years and get zero pounds back it has done its job, and some!
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#58
No problem - I'll always choose overall reliability and residuals over purchase price.
Rusty82
11 Jan 171#57
At this same price point? If you show me a brand new similar Honda deal then crack on, I'd probably choose it over this. Otherwise, bye bye.
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 17#56
If you passed after 2001 you need to take a CBT, this will validate the moped category on your car licence, this means no more cbt's no need for L plates and you can carry a passenger.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#55
Or better still, buy something that won't breakdown and where I will not need to waste time taking to a garage to fix under warranty.
Rusty82
11 Jan 171#54
I guess 'tatt' must be subjective.
For the cost with the warranty this is a cheap and reliable way to get about for someone. If it breaks, take it back, get another one for free, but there is certainly no certainty that it would break. Despite what you may think.
Rusty82
11 Jan 17#53
Yip.
m5rcc
11 Jan 171#52
Given that you were completely oblivious to Honda's Italian factory, why should I need to prove the obvious to you?
m5rcc
11 Jan 171#51
Nope - Just prefer their reliability over Taiwanese tatt.
robm612
11 Jan 17#50
Can someone clarify, I passed in 2011 will I still need to complete a CBT to ride this 50cc?
Chumba_Wumba
11 Jan 17#49
think this is purely a pussy magnet for the over 60's
Rusty82
11 Jan 172#48
Do you work for Honda or something?
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 17#47
Have you got any proof of this or just yours and your mates say so.
Zontes
11 Jan 171#46
Brilliant post, well researched!!! Plonker alert. GEt a life, and move on to another forum.
Rusty82
11 Jan 172#45
Kymco have been around for donkeys years, before all these cheap 'brands' appeared. When I was 16 I had a brand new top of the range Yamaha scooter, and while I loved it, my friends Kymco was more reliable over two years.
It was a 50cc, de-restricted with some fancy looking exhaust and would be hitting close to 60mph down a hill with a wind behind me.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#44
The only Chinese made buses and/or lorries I can see on UK roads are the the tourist buses along Park Lane.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#43
Speak for yourself.
The fail-rate on Kymco's is higher than Honda. This is a fact, not an opinion.
alan mcculloch
11 Jan 17#42
The Chinese are sorted now on the quality issues. I think that we will be driving Chinese cars in the next few years. We already import buses and lorries from China.
Zontes
11 Jan 172#41
I would love to know how many posts have been made by bikers. Far too many car driving **** posting absolute pish. You **** need to ride a bike or motorcycle, you will then be a better driver, and see what happens around you.
Settee
11 Jan 17#40
I highly doubt this can do 50mph. Its a 4t, not a 2t.
bma1445
11 Jan 17#39
If multiple friends died on moped, I assume you must live in a rough area.
To all the snobs out there, yes this isn't a freaking hayabusa, but saying a brand new bike will be unreliable is just stupid.
I bought a 125 sinnis max ii for £1k brand new including a top box and first service included. It's basically made from leftover YBR parts with a Suzuki engine. To drive it's just as you would expect a brand new bike to be.
Say I'd bought a fourth hand Honda for £600. Yeah I might get some of that back if I sell the bike in 10 years time. But you have to deal with finding and buying a used bike, MOTs, dealing with problems (if my bike breaks, it'll go back under warranty).
aljack
11 Jan 17#34
I thought that everybody wanting to ride a bike has to do a CBT unless you are really old and a full bike licence was included in your car licence? If you can destrict it and do 50 then thats should be fine for travelling to and from work??
sadbuttruee to aljack
11 Jan 17#35
not legal no
POWYSWALES to aljack
11 Jan 17#38
have a full car licence, what can I ride? *
With a full car licence having passed pre-2001 you are eligible to ride a moped (50cc Scooter) without the need for any test or training (C.B.T). You are also allowed to carry a passenger and do not need to display ‘L’ plates. Having past your driving test after 2001, a C.B.T will need to be carried out.
TheOak
11 Jan 17#37
How many is "plenty"?!
m5rcc
11 Jan 171#36
Yes that is true, unless, as the OP did say, you passed prior to 2003. Then there is no need to.
It can, but given you probably need to do a CBT (given your previous sentence), why not just get a 125cc instead?
Zontes
11 Jan 171#33
WTF
Most amazing sweeping generalisation ever. You really are being totally insincere. Yes people die in car and bike accidents, but you are out of order with your comments.
Edit. I am 60 years old, been riding bikes since my first Garelli moped when aged 15. I am still alive. You are talking rubbish. Really!
ashtad
11 Jan 17#32
Any good deals on a decent 125cc ?
Sambat
11 Jan 171#31
Not mine, I don't undertake cars, I don't overtake on school crossings, I don't race the first car at the traffic lights and I don't drive on pavements- all which are fairly common practices by kids that drive these hair dryers. Plenty of my school friends died on mopeds due to the belief they could compete with larger traffic.
If it wasn't for mopeds we wouldn't have so many donors.
robw1978
11 Jan 171#30
nothing wrong with these.
our lad had one, 3 years and 16,000km and all we did was change the oil once a year with good synthetic.
miles better than the chinese CG125 copy i had a while back and yes easy enough to derestrict and upjet.
TheOak
11 Jan 17#29
As in all of these crap makes are Asian, not as in all Asian-made machines are crap.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#28
You are failing to understand my point. Kymco need to offer a longer warranty because they have a poor(-er) reputation.
2 years unlimited is more than most other manufacturers are giving.
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 17#25
Not any more there not. Same as Peugeot scooters they were once made in Europe but are now made in China.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#24
Established brands don't need to offer a five year and/or unlimited warranty. Kymco and like do due to their questionable reputation.
m5rcc
11 Jan 171#23
Yes it will and 50mph if you de-restricted it.
POWYSWALES
11 Jan 17#22
5 year but not unlimited would be to much for any scooter manufacturer. These small 49cc 4 stroke engines work at around 9000 rpm so are only good for 40,000 the most.
mas99
11 Jan 17#21
50cc? will it even do 30mph? as for taking a passenger, dont try to make me laugh
these things are a liability on an open road.
m5rcc
11 Jan 171#20
Not really - would be better to buy a second-hand scooter if one is starting out. It's likely that one will have a scuff or a fall and one would be better not to do that on a new scooter.
They're fine, but the most reliable and biggest sellers have been Honda.
diabeticguy
11 Jan 17#19
It has been suggested that I shouldn't drive a car on a car licence
tomlewis007
11 Jan 17#18
Could be good for somebody starting out?
I expect Yamaha and Suzuki would also be reliable options?
dereklogan7
11 Jan 17#17
You'll have the birds queuing up for a ride with this one. :laughing:
spatter
11 Jan 17#16
:smiley: Asians make some of the best vehicles on earth including the most popular motorised transport on the planet..... the Honda Cub
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#15
Many Honda scooters are actually made in Europe.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#14
Well Asian would include Japan! More that of the Chinese/Taiwanese products have reliability issues and that is why they are generally cheap and are sold almost as white goods. If Kymco were smart, they should take a leaf out of the Koreans and offer a five year unlimited warranty like Hyundai/KIA and build from that.
Magister
11 Jan 172#13
"Asian Crap"? and precisely on which continent do you think Hondas are made? Guess you never got your CSE in Geography.
TheOak
11 Jan 171#12
Might be good to find a similar link from somewhere without a vested interest. The ONLY people I have heard speak very highly of the asian crap, are the shops that sell them. I have known three people who owned Kymcos and all agree they are ****.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#11
I have a full-bike licence so wouldn't ride a 50cc, but again, would not touch a Kymco for the aforementioned reasons. Additionally, just look at the residuals...
TheOak
11 Jan 174#10
Buy a second-hand 50 of reputable make or better still, do your CBT and get a 125.
Kymco made the engine for the now discontinued G 450 X as it was a truly horrible bike.
I know they make parts for other bikes but their bikes/scooters in general are more unreliable than Honda equivalents.
m5rcc
11 Jan 17#7
Of course - but is it more reliable? No. And that is what you need as a commuting bike.
I would not touch anything other than a Honda scooter for commuting (speaking from over fifteen years of doing so in London).
m5rcc
11 Jan 171#3
An extremely unreliable piece of Taiwanese junk. Stick to a Honda Vision 50 if you want to get to work.
POWYSWALES to m5rcc
11 Jan 173#6
Kymco make parts and engines for Honda and bmw, they share the same 139qmb 49cc engine with Honda., Hence they can back this scooter with a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty. I had one for 5 years and put 40,000 miles on it, only needed a few oil changes ( 4 stroke ) 1 new spark plug and 2 new tyres.
tomlewis007
11 Jan 17#5
This brand has been around a while now hasn't? I expect it's a lot cheaper to buy and repair than a Honda vision 50?
Sambat
11 Jan 171#1
Well we do need more donors.....
Zontes to Sambat
11 Jan 1716#2
Only because of car drivers with an attitude like yours!
POWYSWALES to Sambat
11 Jan 173#4
I drove a moped for 12 years to and from work and never once came of or involved in an accident. My work colleagues would all be stuck in rush hour traffic for over an hour why I was home in 20 minutes, plus add the benefit of being toll free in mersey tunnels saving me another £2.60 a day.
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KYMCO AGILITY 50 -
As the name suggests the Agility 50 is both light and agile, which makes it great fun to ride.
The Perfect Entry Level Scooter
The Agility 50 has plenty to offer if you are looking for a well made, fuel efficient scooter at an affordable price. To enhance stability, comfort and safety, this scooter has 12 inch alloy wheels, a front disc brake and a light net weight of just 92kg making it easy to manouver and park.
Available in Silver/Black
Fuel Efficient and Environmentally Friendly
The Agility 50 is powered by the latest generation of 4 stroke air-cooled engines, which ultimately makes it highly fuel-efficient, capable of achieving in excess of 120 miles per gallon as well as producing very low carbon emissions.
Great For the City and a Comfortable Ride
The Agility 50 has a relitively low seating position at 785mm, making it ideal for both male and female riders. Pillions are well catered for, with a sturdy foot rest and a grab rail, so you can share your journey with a friend if the mood takes you. The pillion seat converts into a backrest for an ultra comfortable solo ride.
Other features include: front disc and rear drum brakes, electric and kick-start, automatic choke, lockable under seat storage box for helmet, shopping or waterproofs, steering lock, rear carrier, centre and side stands, and the all important fuel gauge.
2 Year Warranty
The Agility 50 comes with a 2-year unlimited mileage manufacturer's parts and labour warranty. you passed your driving test before 2003, no need for further training\test or L plates and you can carry a passenger.
KYMCO AGILITY 50 -
As the name suggests the Agility 50 is both light and agile, which makes it great fun to ride.
The Perfect Entry Level Scooter
The Agility 50 has plenty to offer if you are looking for a well made, fuel efficient scooter at an affordable price. To enhance stability, comfort and safety, this scooter has 12 inch alloy wheels, a front disc brake and a light net weight of just 92kg making it easy to manouver and park.
Available in Silver/Black
Fuel Efficient and Environmentally Friendly
The Agility 50 is powered by the latest generation of 4 stroke air-cooled engines, which ultimately makes it highly fuel-efficient, capable of achieving in excess of 120 miles per gallon as well as producing very low carbon emissions.
Great For the City and a Comfortable Ride
The Agility 50 has a relitively low seating position at 785mm, making it ideal for both male and female riders. Pillions are well catered for, with a sturdy foot rest and a grab rail, so you can share your journey with a friend if the mood takes you. The pillion seat converts into a backrest for an ultra comfortable solo ride.
Other features include: front disc and rear drum brakes, electric and kick-start, automatic choke, lockable under seat storage box for helmet, shopping or waterproofs, steering lock, rear carrier, centre and side stands, and the all important fuel gauge.
2 Year Warranty
The Agility 50 comes with a 2-year unlimited mileage manufacturer's parts and labour warranty.
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Hydrogen is a different kettle of fish as are gas powered buses that have been around for decades but as you can see by world sales not really favoured by operators, who seem to be waiting for the all electric bus like BYD. Many companies world wide are really interested in their product and already licencing agreements are being sorted with other manufacturers to make their products. So sounds very promising.
Cheap transport
Could it be that the operators buy the cheapest they can find because they know the sort of moron that will be riding it and the likelihood of accidents?
However shouting through the written word put me off. Its almost as if you are going to benefit from the sales by the way of the title. Maybe its just me.
Speaking only from personal experience, I would recommend a year or two on a lower powered bike first. I made a fair few little mistakes on my old 125 that would have been much larger mistakes if I had done them on any of my bikes since.
Its Chinese enough for me not to buy it.
Others can buy not "technically" Chinese mopeds.
How fast are these? Fuel saving is great but If it can't get me to work before lunch I'd rather not!
EDIT: Nevermind - actually checked the website - 30mph. Looks like I'll be looking at a 125!
I know that most small bikes are now made in china - eg the ybr is made by Jianshe.
One problem with the chinese brand bikes is that the quality is not as good as the jap brand bikes even though they are all made in china. I know people who get stuff made in china and they all complain about QA and the difficulty in maintaining production quality.
Another issue is that the chinese brand bikes dont have long term support. They have new models all the time and parts for older stuff can be very difficult to get hold of.
on another note the bike looks ok for a commuter hack, get two years out of it and throw it in the bin
A good number of "Japanese" marques are manufactured in China as well as a number of other developing Asian countries. (Triumph makes all of their "British" bikes in Thailand.)
I bought a Chinese Honda Cub clone to test the waters and it's been totally reliable with only a couple of minor niggles (I've got a review on you tube)
Based on my experience of the Rider's Super Cub 110cc, I picked up a Lexmoto ZSB 125, which is a surprisingly well built machine, considering it's meant to be a budget option. A friend of mine who is currently learning has a Yamaha YBR125 and he said he preferred it to the Yamaha. Personally, I consider the Yamaha to have a much more refined engine but build quality wise, there was not much in it at all.
I've also purchased a Sym Symba 100, another budget Taiwanese brand and have to say it's well put together.
Based on my limited experience of Chinese bikes, I'd have to say they do the job for a reasonable price.
I'm first an foremost a Japanese car and bike buyer but the price of Japanese branded tiddlers has become ridiculous in recent years....
- Taking a CBT once activates your moped license, which lasts the same length as your car license. You can ride a 50cc/moped without L plates as long as you have your car license - you don't need to do another cbt again if you stick to 50cc.
- You can ride up to 125cc, displaying L plates, for as long as your CBT lasts (2 years). If you haven't passed both parts of the motorcycle test by this time, you need to take another CBT. If you pass both parts (not difficult), you can lose the L plates and carry a pillion.
If you only have a provisional:
- If you only have a provisional licence and you're 16, you can ride a 50cc with L plates for the length of the CBT, then you need to take a proper test or redo the cbt
- Once you reach 17, you can ride a 125cc with L plates, but again, just for the length of the cbt.
Didn't think so.
Part of the reason for that is to encourage people to take a proper test rather than pottering about on L plates forever.
Neither a Fly nor a Typhoon offer anything an ET4 doesn't other than more plastic. They will all do the job, my preference is the ET4.
Erm, yes. I know that too. But I am saying to buy say a Piaggio Fly/Typhoon as opposed to a Vespa and save further money.
A nice fairly low mileage Japanese bike will be ideal - regardless of it's age. I'd rather spend money on a 10 year old Japanese bike than buy a new motorbike from any chinese brand. There is a complete lack of quality control...just thousands of factories knocking out similar bikes using cheap, poorly made frames running on incredibly bad replicas of proven Japanese engines. Many of these Chinese bikes aren't even offered with an "on the road" price - they come shipped in a crate and all too often fail the registration inspection (https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval).
Kymco are not all bad. But I wouldn't buy one.
Brands to avoid (google is your friend) = anything you don't recognise. As for the warranties offered on these Chinese things they are not worth the paper they are printed on - really. The scooters themselves need constant fettling to keep them running. There's nothing words than trying to start a piece of **** on a cold, rainy day. Ignore all the defensive fools who have parted with their cash to buy junk, it's just buyers remorse and envy driving them on.
If you buy a Jap bike after CBT ride for a year or so and pass test you'll be able to sell it for near what you paid - maybe more if you buy in winter and sell in spring/summer. Lots of these cheap Chinese imports don't make to their 1st birthday. If you do buy one make sure you subscribe to alerts on Halfords tool kits.
Top ten 125s as recommended by MCN
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/first-rides-tests/2010/august/aug2310-top-ten-125cc-motorcycles/
My favourite 125 is No.10 the VanVan.
If it's a scooter you want IMHO you can't beat a Vespa. ET125s can be picked up for £400. The body panels are not made in a margerine tub factory and, if you do have an off, can be bought cheaply and easily replaced. The engines are proven and really easy to maintain with parts readily available.
A good experience on a reliable 125 will make you a biker for life.
They make three models in Italy and it's the only scooter factory in Europe.
Nothing is invincible, obviously. However, some brands are better than others clearly. Kymco is not synonymous with reliability or indeed quality.
Poor analogy given Rolls-Royce is owned by BMW and BMWs are not that reliable.
https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence
That should show it.
It is not this vehicle that is the problem, it is the unexperienced riders, generally.
Again wrong - all Honda SH scooter models, their best sellers, are made in Italy and have been for decades.
I knew of Kymco's existence prior to you copy and pasting Wikipedia.
But because Kymco spun-off from Honda's IP since 1992, you believe that their current spec of bikes are on par with that of Honda today? Let me get Les Dennis online and he'll explain it to you...
Also, if Kymco are such the global brand, which they claim to be, why are they not even in the top 10 in reliability indices in the US, one of the largest motorcycle markets in the world? (Yes Kymco do sell in the US)
Well, as it happens they won't go over 30mph.
A massive 1.9bhp powers this 90kg scooter (I think learner 125's are underpowered when most are around 10bhp and not much heavier but at least they can manage 60mph on an open road) so the idea that this is going to do well with two people on board *is* laughable.
Something that slow is dangerous on an open road and the idea that people should just do CBT and consider themselves competent on the road is also laughable.
For anyone other than a 16yr old I really dont see the point (assuming 16yr olds can still ride scooters?). Do a proper test (even if just A1) and ride something thats faster than a push bike.
So what makes you think kymco is less reliable? Honda may be a Japanese company but they rarely make any scooters there, hence why they used Kymco to manufacture engines and complete small bikes under license for 30 years before Kymco made their own brand of scooters and motorcycles.
I bet if you had known Kymco's history in the first place you would not have been so quick to put them down.
I wouldn't buy a chinese bike again, reliability for me wasn't an issue but once you have ridden a quality scooter you realise they are worlds apart !
As I said, MCN reader surveys and other global reliability indices. Check for yourself.
It's laughable that you are trying to argue that a Taiwanese bike is as reliable as a Japanese bike. Simply laughable.
Anyone seen decent deals for them?
This proves what exactly?
KYMCO or Kwang Yang Motor Co, Ltd (Chinese: 光陽工業; pinyin: Guāng Yáng Gōng Yè), is a Taiwanese company that manufactures motor scooters, motorcycles, and ATVs for worldwide distribution. Founded in 1963 after splitting from Honda, KYMCO originally made parts for Honda. The company built its first complete scooter in 1970 and began marketing under the "KYMCO" brand name in 1992. In the 2000s, Kymco became the largest scooter manufacturer in Taiwan, and the fifth largest scooter manufacturer worldwide.[1] KYMCO's headquarters and factory are located in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, with about 3000 employees, and producing more than 570,000 vehicles per year. The company has production facilities in Jakarta, Petaling Jaya, Shanghai, Changsha and Chengdu.
In early 2008, KYMCO was chosen by BMW to supply the engines for their G450 X Enduro bike.[2] The optional range extender in the BMW i3 is also supplied by Kymco.[3]
In late 2013, Kawasaki announced that their new J300 scooter is manufactured in partnership with Kymco. It is based on a Kymco Downtown 300i.[4]
I like Honda's for commuting because they are reliable and don't let me down. I still have my SH300 with almost 50k miles.
I don't live Honda's. I also have a MV Agusta and a Husqvarna.
Reader surveys from MCN say otherwise...
For the cost with the warranty this is a cheap and reliable way to get about for someone. If it breaks, take it back, get another one for free, but there is certainly no certainty that it would break. Despite what you may think.
It was a 50cc, de-restricted with some fancy looking exhaust and would be hitting close to 60mph down a hill with a wind behind me.
The fail-rate on Kymco's is higher than Honda. This is a fact, not an opinion.
To all the snobs out there, yes this isn't a freaking hayabusa, but saying a brand new bike will be unreliable is just stupid.
I bought a 125 sinnis max ii for £1k brand new including a top box and first service included. It's basically made from leftover YBR parts with a Suzuki engine. To drive it's just as you would expect a brand new bike to be.
Say I'd bought a fourth hand Honda for £600. Yeah I might get some of that back if I sell the bike in 10 years time. But you have to deal with finding and buying a used bike, MOTs, dealing with problems (if my bike breaks, it'll go back under warranty).
With a full car licence having passed pre-2001 you are eligible to ride a moped (50cc Scooter) without the need for any test or training (C.B.T). You are also allowed to carry a passenger and do not need to display ‘L’ plates. Having past your driving test after 2001, a C.B.T will need to be carried out.
It can, but given you probably need to do a CBT (given your previous sentence), why not just get a 125cc instead?
Most amazing sweeping generalisation ever. You really are being totally insincere. Yes people die in car and bike accidents, but you are out of order with your comments.
Edit. I am 60 years old, been riding bikes since my first Garelli moped when aged 15. I am still alive. You are talking rubbish. Really!
If it wasn't for mopeds we wouldn't have so many donors.
our lad had one, 3 years and 16,000km and all we did was change the oil once a year with good synthetic.
miles better than the chinese CG125 copy i had a while back and yes easy enough to derestrict and upjet.
Edit: all SHs are still made in Atessa, Italy (as I suspected - just made over one million)
these things are a liability on an open road.
They're fine, but the most reliable and biggest sellers have been Honda.
I expect Yamaha and Suzuki would also be reliable options?
I know they make parts for other bikes but their bikes/scooters in general are more unreliable than Honda equivalents.
I would not touch anything other than a Honda scooter for commuting (speaking from over fifteen years of doing so in London).