​The speed difference is so marginal that you will not even notice

​That article again.. it uses an i3 and 950 for tests on 1 game which means that 1 game is memory dependant. In a broader spectrum memory timings change games by 1-2 fps

I'm by no means an expert here, but the price seems good, I can't see anything close to this elsewhere (£90 is the lowest I can find). Could you link to some in stock ram equivalent to this? I'd be more than happy to buy that if you know where to look.

2400 to 3000 can increase frame rate by 5-10% in many games from the last couple of years, or a bit higher in games like Fallout 4. Then there are titles like Ryse - look at the frame-rate nearly double when going from DDR4-2133 to DDR4-2666!

The main benefit is the boost to minimum frame rates rather than average frame rates. I'm putting together a new system next month, and it'll likely have DDR4-3200 or DDR4-3400, as there definitely seems to be an increasing trend of games making use of faster memory. (I'm not limited to UK sources, and there's a nice 16GB DDR4-3400 kit on Amazon.com for $93 at the moment.)

But if you mean general Windows performance (Internet browsing, movie playback, etc) then you're right - faster RAM probably wouldn't make a noticeable difference.

Edit: just to update, it turns out that DoctorDealz has DDR4-2133, which seems to be why they're claiming it doesn't make any difference: clearly justifying their mistaken purchase. However, they cannot provide any sources showing it makes no difference (despite multiple requests), and plenty of benchmarks have now been supplied showing that faster memory does make a difference in modern games.

Nevertheless, that doesn't make this a bad deal. It's a good price for DDR4-2400. Just bear in mind that memory speed does make a difference in games nowadays.

2400mhz on ddr4.... A bit on the slow end there

Does it make that much difference? I am more after good value than outright performance gains at any price ... how much would 3000Mhz cost?

This or the Crucial on Amazon for £10 more? Assume not much difference...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00MTSWFMM/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485610665&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=16gb+ddr4+ram&dpPl=1&dpID=41c5KvREwAL&ref=plSrch

Sure, but I was wondering about things such as cas latency which is listed as 14 for this item, and this being dual rather than quad channel

These cost so much more than a year ago, probably down to Brexit. I'm on the lookout for red ones.

2400 to 3000 can increase frame rate by 5-10% in many games from the last couple of years, or a bit higher in games like Fallout 4. Then there are titles like Ryse - look at the frame-rate nearly double when going from DDR4-2133 to DDR4-2666!

The main benefit is the boost to minimum frame rates rather than average frame rates. I'm putting together a new system next month, and it'll likely have DDR4-3200 or DDR4-3400, as there definitely seems to be an increasing trend of games making use of faster memory. (I'm not limited to UK sources, and there's a nice 16GB DDR4-3400 kit on Amazon.com for $93 at the moment.)

But if you mean general Windows performance (Internet browsing, movie playback, etc) then you're right - faster RAM probably wouldn't make a noticeable difference.

Edit: just to update, it turns out that DoctorDealz has DDR4-2133, which seems to be why they're claiming it doesn't make any difference: clearly justifying their mistaken purchase. However, they cannot provide any sources showing it makes no difference (despite multiple requests), and plenty of benchmarks have now been supplied showing that faster memory does make a difference in modern games.

Nevertheless, that doesn't make this a bad deal. It's a good price for DDR4-2400. Just bear in mind that memory speed does make a difference in games nowadays.

I've ordered some - it's the best price I can find at the moment (shame I don't have a time machine!).
The motherboard I have takes 2133 or 2400 Mhz RAM, plus I don't really play games (but my son does), so it's not critical for me.
I'd rather throw an extra £20 into the CPU and get a higher clock speed.
Thanks for the debate, everyone.

​That article again.. it uses an i3 and 950 for tests on 1 game which means that 1 game is memory dependant. In a broader spectrum memory timings change games by 1-2 fps

For a majority the faster speeds willl make zero difference. Also the Ryse benchmark used 2133 and 2666 speeds but it could be fine with 2400, it doesn't show that. Plus it's been tested on an i3 so maybe worth it if you have an i3 CPU, but I'm sure most would put that extra money into getting a better CPU in the first place.

Thanks, just bagged some, great price. :smiley:

Is everyone else's ordered upon request?

If you want a laugh click on their terms and conditions link. I thought companies had stopped doing this.

Didn't you notice the size of the print (unless it was just my browser)?

Nope - all fine on my iMac mini, using Chrome and viewed on a 24" monitor!

Anyway, I also got the 'ordered upon request' message, but it's my first time using BTShop so no idea what that means in reality ... fingers crossed. My last RAM order from Amazon was cancelled after 4 weeks of waiting for it - most annoying!

not a fan of corsair vengeance, bought a pair a good few years back and realised how crap they were and also the heatsinks were of cheap quality, easily broke off. I spent over £80 on them at that time for 2x 4gb and returned them back.

So overall for today this price is decent but dont be fooled by the whole vengeance branding n thinking youve got a beast of a kit.

Agreed! If this is another pricing error when I finally get some RAM I'm going to stick it right up their...motherboard.

I have the same RAM, it does the job right. Also the difference between this and the 3000MHz one is minuscule.

Have for sale a mini-ITX motherboard that goes well with this ram for anyone interested

Its good value if your building a budget pc. I bought the 3200mhz the other week for £95 and i like the fact they are also low profile. Im using a skylake cpu which benefits more from faster ram.

Thanks for sharing this, recently ordered 1x 8GB stick in red of this on Amazon for £45, so this seems to be a no brainer. Both Amazon and BT Shop seem to be out of stock and ordering them in, so I'll see which arrives first and cancel the other.

Here hoping BT Shop commit to the order and don't cancel it!

The clock speed of memory typically really doesn't change much, assuming you're using this for gaming. DDR4 is all you need. High clock speeds are nice, but don't pay stupid amounts for it. For typical DDR4 16GB RAM, you're looking at upwards of £100, even for the cheapest sticks. This is a VERY nice deal.

RAM speeds never used to matter a whole lot, but if you check out any of the more recent Digital Foundry videos, they are starting to notice that faster memory is actually equating to noticeable improvement in gaming performance with 6th and 7th gen Intel CPUs.

But it all comes down to budget. If you can afford to buy an 6700k/7700k and 3600MHz memory, then great! If dropping to 2400MHz memory means you can go from an i5 to an i7, then absolutely buy that CPU.

The reality is, a lot of people who buy 3000MHz or 3200MHz memory might well be running it at lower speeds because they don't have a Z170, Z270 or X99 chipset motherboard or simply haven't enabled XMP.

I'm not sure what article you're referring to. The one on the other side of my link tested nine games on a Titan X (not a 950) and showed that seven benefited noticeably - far beyond a margin of error. The Witcher 3 (increased by 8FPS), AC Unity (increased by 5FPS), BF4 (increased by 6FPS), Crysis 3 (increased by less than one FPS), COD:AW (increased by 10FPS), GTA5 (increased by 5FPS), FC4 (increased by 8FPS), SoM (increased by 2FPS) and Ryse (increased by 45FPS). (I've highlighted the two which didn't seem to benefit from faster memory.)

They then went on to show Crysis 3 on a 950 (possibly leading to your confusion, if you skipped past the big table of relevant numbers) showing that there can be differences of 6FPS at any given moment depending on your memory speed - even though earlier tests had shown the overall FPS average on Crysis 3 to benefit very little from memory speed. In other words, average FPS scores do not tell the whole story. Faster memory is of most benefit to minimum frame rates and avoided stuttering.

Memory dependent? Every game needs memory, so every game is memory dependent. :smile: Memory timings? Yes, less important today - but we're talking about memory clock rates, not timings. Frequency and latency are different. But, yes, I will grant you that tightening the timings on DDR4 today will only give you ~1-2FPS extra. It's just a shame that we're not talking about the timings. :wink:

I understand why you're skeptical. For decades we've had the fact that faster memory has very little impact in games. Now that's changed, but it's taking time for some people to adjust, or believe the facts, or understand the articles presenting these facts.

Absolutely not true.:confused:8GB is more than enough, according to benchmarks, so if you want to save money, dropping from 16 to 8 should save you ~£40 while not affecting your frame rates at all. On the other hand, the link I included above (and subsequently had to spell out) shows a significant boost to frame rates if you use faster RAM, and those aren't the only games to do so.

You seem to be implying that memory speed has more effect on an i3 than on an i5 or i7..? That turns out not to be the case.

Go down to the last table of numbers and you can see that, for example, a stock i7-7700K with 2400MHz DDR4 outperforms an i7-7700K overclocked to 4.8GHz - but with 2133MHz DDR4. And you can also see that a stock 7700K with 3000MHz DDR4 also significantly outperforms a 4.8GHz 7700K with DDR4-2400.

In other words (as it seems I need to offer summaries on articles here, rather than letting them speak for themselves! :wink:), moving from DDR4-2400 to DDR4-3000 has more of an effect on frame rates than overclocking a 7700K from stock to 4.8GHz.

I just paid £100 for 2 sticks of DDR4 2400 ram for my new i7 7700k and Asus Z270 mobo so this looks like an exceptional deal or a misprice.

You can tell people who actually know what they're talking about and those (like you) who misread something somewhere and then quote is as gospel. The fact you have to reply to multiple people proves that you are right and everyone else is wrong.. think again cupcake.

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32gb for £120 hot hot hot :sunglasses:

The importance of memory in gaming is really simple.

If in the moment performance is limited by your graphics card, faster memory makes no difference. However, if your in the moment performance is limited by the CPU, faster RAM makes a big difference.

The problem with 'benchmarks' is that fundamentally, they are averages taken across a duration, which gives the impression of 'smoothing out' spikes caused by CPU or memory bandwidth bottlenecks. Sometimes, benchmarks simply test areas of gameplay where there are no CPU or RAM bottlenecks at all, erroneously giving the impression that these things don't matter.

In the moment gameplay is what you will feel and is much more important. This image sums up the importance of memory bandwidth better than any bar chart:

http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/7/9/3/6/6/9/RAM.bmp.jpg

Nice deal, but I managed to get it for £54 about a month ago.

If Ryzen doesn't benefit from > ddr4 2400mhz speeds then buying could save a few quid when it's realeased. Anyone found any info around what speed ram they used for the blender test and CES battefield comparison? I've looked but couldn't find any specifics.

Errr... I'm not sure what your first language is, but what part of that big table of numbers comparing clock speeds confused you? :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes, I'm replying to two people about your mistakes - you and 118luke are simply wrong, hence why you have been unable to provide any evidence to the contrary. This is not a technical forum, so many people (as you have so thoroughly proven through your misuse of technical terms and lack of understanding) are not technically literate. I'm trying to damage-control the utter nonsense you and one other person has spread.

I've backed up my statements with sources and benchmark numbers, and I'm simply staggered that you have demonstrably misread the first article to which I linked, skipped huge chunks and somehow failed to notice nine game benchmarks at different memory speeds (an impressive feat of illiteracy in and of itself) - and then had the gall to accuse me of misreading it. :smile:

By the way, I've linked to two sources (three if you count my providing further information to someone else), and there are many, many more, all of which agree: http://www.google.com

Waiting for your sources, hon... please make sure they're from 2016 or later. :man:

Thanks for that! I was actually looking for some DDR4 RAM today! :smile:

​Your lack of grammar discredits you let alone your misrepresentations. Thanks for humouring us with your nonsense talk.

Good price, although I got the 3000mhz back in December for just over £60...

I'm wondering if it was a mis-price as the 2400mhz was more expensive too..
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I thought the RAM speed only mattered if you use the CPU's on-board GPU?

Obviously having a large Cache on the CPU is best as that is where your apps store data to speed up performance without reading from RAM.

Would you mind highlighting my grammatical error so that I may avoid it in future? Many thanks in advance. (I've added corrections to your last two sentences to repay the favour.)

I don't mind being corrected. Indeed, I'd be happy for you to prove me wrong about the memory speeds. I'll be buying some memory next month, so you'd be saving me some money. :smiley:

Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case here. It looks like you added an opinion that was correct in 2014 without bothering to check if it still applied. When shown to be wrong, I imagine that you rushed to find benchmarks to prove yourself right - only to find that they didn't exist. For some reason, instead of owning up to your understandable error, you've resorted to personal attacks instead of providing useful information.

Although an even more unfortunate scenario springs to mind... tell me, are you the proud owner of some DDR4-2133? :man:

Why is this deal hot? This is a bog standard price for this kind of memory at these speeds.

​Very true.

​miaow. Good point though crazy ram prices. My bad OP. Must be something up with factory's manufacturing ram?

Now £56.79 but has gone OOS.

​OOS now because people who really know their stuff bought this memory. You need to check your 'facts'. I am satisfied I presented more than enough information to prove the facts I stated.

It's also possible that people know a bargain when they see one. Not everyone has a gaming computer. Even if they did purchase for a gaming pc why worry about that small frame rate increase when this is such a good offer.

Gutted. I just bought 8gb DDR4 for around the same price.

no idea why ppl crying about the speed, its plenty quick enough

ppl with a couple year old system running on ddr3 with 1600mhz memory game just fine

if you really that up set about speed, get on the x99 platform for quad or triple channel

i'm actually worried that our order might get cancel, maybe a misprice.

Looks like you can still buy them at this place: https://zi-mm.co.uk/product/corsair-vengeance-lpx-red-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-dram-3000mhz/, although it's not clear if they have it in stock or not.

Great price! the cost of DDR4 has practically doubled in a year!

This is the cheapest DDR4 has been in the UK for a while. All of the people putting together systems for office work, Internet browsing and HTPCs would be happy with this. But I can't see where you've provided any technical explanation, nor any links to sources or benchmarks backing up your (demonstrably incorrect, as shown) statements. Did you use an affiliate link or an URL with a redirect to your sources? In that case, the mods may have removed them; perhaps you could quote the relevant parts, or provide a non-dodgy URL?

The only information I could see you "present" was this:


No source for your weird summary, and no hard benchmarks or demonstrable numbers - I assumed you searched the entire Internet looking for some proof to back up your statement, and couldn't find any. You quite clearly didn't read (or perhaps understand, given your confusion over frequency/latency) the article I first linked, and have conveniently ignored the other two links. You then didn't offer any further information - you just said that I "misread" the article (without saying how) and then devolved into some rather embarrassing personal attacks. I know you're angry about ignorantly buying DDR4-2133 despite the benchmarks, but there's no need to take it out on me! I'm doing my best to help people not make the same mistake as you. :wink:

While you're providing those links, I'd still like to know about that grammatical error you're claiming that I made. I don't like to publish bad English on the Internet, just as I don't like technical misinformation being spread around the Internet. Care to share? :man: (Or perhaps that should be: "Able to share?" :smile:)

​​​​I'm not angry at all and I'm very happy with my new build. Perhaps you should take more time to actually read your source material and not jump to conclusions that are a result of classic skim reading. As I read a whole new load of assumptions in your latest incoherent rant I cringe at the inaccuracy and lack of any meaningful substance and I realise your trolling is equally as poor an effort.

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DIMM 288-pin 2400MHz CL14 Memory Kit
**Discontinued product. Sorry but we are unable to obtain stock of this item. Please cancel and choose an alternative.* As I suspected !! :disappointed:

Oh well, let's hope they deliver what I ordered.

They do have this but at double the price (£119.98 plus delivery)!: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2666MHz
https://www.shop.bt.com/products/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb--2x8gb--ddr4-2666mhz-dimm-288-pin-cmk16gx4m2a2666c16-BMRR.html

What's that saying... ignorance is bliss? Although I think the one you prefer is "there's no evidence for it, but it's scientific fact". :smile: Thanks for confirming that you're a DDR4-2133 owner, by the way. I think that speaks volumes.

Anyway, I give up on DoctorDealz (although it's been an interesting experience interacting with a real-life David Brent). I tried looking for some benchmarks or sources that prove him/her right, but all I could find were half a dozen articles from the past year or so that show a significant improvement from faster memory. As they couldn't find a single source, benchmark or article confirming their ignorant speculation, I think it's safe to say that no such evidence exists - but then again, maybe that user simply didn't understand the concept of "proof"?

So, is there an adult English-speaker here who understands what a source is, and can find any compelling evidence from the last 12 or so months that memory speed only has a maximum of 2FPS impact in modern games? The Eurogamer and TechSpot articles show much bigger gains than that across over a dozen games between them, with the exception of outliers like The Division.

If not, the conclusion seems simple: there is no evidence at all to support that 1-2FPS claim. It's not even a debate.

Just because you type a lot of words doesn't make you right... You just take a long time to say nothing at all and make erroneous assumptions, like a politician! The fact I am not the only person on this thread to say the same as me and thus disagree with you speaks volumes about you and your misleading article links.

Perhaps if I stoop down to your level and put it in terms you understand. My 8 likes trumps your 0 likes. Back to Facebook trolling please and leave the adults be.

Err... several people also commented that faster memory shows a significant improvement.

The difference is, one side showed sources and benchmarks. The other side did not.

As for your "8 likes": as mentioned before, this is not a technical forum. People here are not generally technically literate - heck, one ignoramus tried to comment without even knowing the difference between memory frequency and memory timings! Without knowing the experience and qualifications of the people doing the "liking", the number of likes proves nothing.

Speaking of proving nothing, got any links or proof yet? :man: (How many times have I asked now without getting an answer? Six? Seven? Certainly one of us is acting like a politician. :wink:)

You proved my point again. I am ruling this argument in my favour on the basis of real world application trumps paper based unrealisticness.

I have 16gb of this ram in my pc, I overclocked to 2666mhz very simple with xmp profile, my pc spec is i5 6600k 4.2ghz + gtx 1070, it plays games very well fully maxed 1080p, ram is fine, I ordered another 16gb at this price for my plex machine, fingers crossed it's not cancelled, ram speed does seem to make a difference but in my opinion into only very minimal 1/2fps

Same, never mind eh!

so is our order cancelled?
never got an email.

alright, now its time to whine about the speed of these ram