Runs games not to be released for many many years such as Fifa 2048, Dishonored 12 and Half Life 2 Episode 3!

​4TB graphics card? r u from the future?

An i7 and a GTX 960 2GB? That is a complete bloody waste of an i7! This is my biggest problem with pre-builds, they appeal to idiots who nothing about proper gaming PCs, they just see i7 and think "HURR DURR! i7 IS BEST INNIT?!". No one who actually knows anything about PC gaming would build a system like that.

It might be cheap but it represents very poor value for gaming.

For the same money this machine would spank it so hard in games it would be laughable:

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4Zy7sJ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4Zy7sJ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£101.14 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£46.58 @ More Computers)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£43.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: OCZ TRION 150 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£39.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Mini Video Card (£188.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£27.96 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply (£34.79 @ Aria PC)
Other: Windows 10 Key (£12.05)
Total: £530.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Windows 10 key from here:http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/windows-10-pro-oem-global-key-12-38-now-even-cheaper-scdkey-2558926

Yeah it's ten quid more, yes it's only an i3, but it's got the power where you actually need it for a gaming machine, which is the GPU. Advantages include:

Skylake instead of Haswell, gives more of an upgrade path
GTX 1060 instead of the terrible GTX 960 (for the most part the GTX 1060 3GB is usually at least 60% faster!)
DDR4 instead of DDR3
430 Watt PSU instead of a 350 Watt
2TB hard disk AND a 120GB SSD instead of just a 2TB hard disk.
Easier to upgrade and reuse parts
You build it yourself, you'll realise how easy it is and actually have a sense of accomplishment.

If anyone wants help or wants more information PM me.

Nice

Uses a Nvidia GTX960, not really super and you could easily get a better card for less.

I bought a similar spec one for about £750 two weeks ago... which is DDR4 on the Ram and 4TB on the Graphics card.

This uses DDR3 and only 2GB graphics card.

Good price.. Hot deal IMO to give anyone an introduction into PC gaming, and especially those parents that think a motherboard is for surfing the ocean waves.

:wink: 4GB lol

I've ordered this. It doesn't look like it has a DVD drive?

Runs games not to be released for many many years such as Fifa 2048, Dishonored 12 and Half Life 2 Episode 3!

Can this run csgo buttery soft?

​that made me rofl

What's the chances of a sapphire rx480 nitro+ fitting into one of these? :man:

Processor Base Frequency 3.20 GHz

Do a search, I added it on here.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/msi-nightblade-mi2-gaming-desktop-from-laptops-direct-799-97-quidco-which-money-2568658
You get the usual responses from game builders, but alot of parents don't know one end to another. So for me, these are aimed at, which I think made them a decent deal.

​cheers :-)

Not sure why you would put that card in that rig though. Why not a 1070 which is comparable PSU usage.

SIze.. depends on the actual GPU used, but as an example

MSI GTX 960 2GB

Width 3.5 cm
Depth 24.2 cm
Height 11.1 cm

Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX 480 8GB

Width 4.1 cm
Depth 24 cm
Height 12 cm

Cold, I bought HP Omen 870-010na for £566 on Amazon a month ago https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01H9UVX68/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1482004328&sr=8-8&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=hp+omen&dpPl=1&dpID=41msd8SY%2BHL&ref=plSrch

Good for you

thanks got one! i think changing the psu might be difficult, but certainly will be adding a SSD and maybe upgrading to 1060 in two years time

Thank you kind, sir. Is 2gb GPU ram enough?

This is a decent buy, I don't think you'll do much better for the money at this moment in time. I don't think the PSU would need changing if someone wanted to upgrade to a gtx 1060 in the future as they are rated at 120w the same as the gtx 960 that it is supplied with. The power supply is a 350w 80+ bronze. I'm not sure about putting an rx 480 in as it's 150w but the rx 470 is 120w. It takes a graphics card upto 290mm in length but you might have to watch the width is not bigger than the 2 slots. A GTX 960 is no slouch anyway I think people will be pleased and still be able to upgrade it in a few years.

For a bit more you could have this Alienware Area 51 R2 scratch and dent from Dell, though the ssd is a bit mingey for the price!

Alienware Area 51 R2
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-5960X (8-cores, 20MB Cache, Overclocked up to 4.0 GHz w/ Turbo Boost)
Windows 10 Pro (64bit)
32 GB Quad Channel DDR4 at 2133MHz
256 GB Mobility Solid State Drive
4 TB SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
8X DVD ROM Drive
Dual NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 with 8GB GDDR5 each (NVIDIA SLI Enabled) [QTY : 2]
Software
Intel 7260AC Dual-Band 2x2 (802.11 ac/a/b/g/n) WiFi + Bluetooth 4.0
UK Power cord (1500W)
Dell 105 Key Soft Touch USB Keyboard Black
Sort:
Scratch and Dent
1500 Watt Multi-GPU Approved Power Supply
Price Excl. VAT:
£2,875.09 Price Incl. VAT:
£3,450.11 1 in stock
Add to Cart

http://outlet.euro.dell.com/Online/SecondaryInventorySearch.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dfh&cs=ukdfh1&key=7%2bHd8pbwoWhtTrqT2jD7d3TUPIAjtlo2&puid=45173dbb

Very respectable spec for that money. Decent CPU.

For 1080p gaming yes, it will be fine, GTX960 2GB playing CSGO

Yes, from 2017 apparently
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-radeon-pro-2016jul25.aspx

An i7 and a GTX 960 2GB? That is a complete bloody waste of an i7! This is my biggest problem with pre-builds, they appeal to idiots who nothing about proper gaming PCs, they just see i7 and think "HURR DURR! i7 IS BEST INNIT?!". No one who actually knows anything about PC gaming would build a system like that.

It might be cheap but it represents very poor value for gaming.

For the same money this machine would spank it so hard in games it would be laughable:

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4Zy7sJ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4Zy7sJ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£101.14 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£46.58 @ More Computers)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£43.00 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: OCZ TRION 150 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£39.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Mini Video Card (£188.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£27.96 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply (£34.79 @ Aria PC)
Other: Windows 10 Key (£12.05)
Total: £530.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Windows 10 key from here:http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/windows-10-pro-oem-global-key-12-38-now-even-cheaper-scdkey-2558926

Yeah it's ten quid more, yes it's only an i3, but it's got the power where you actually need it for a gaming machine, which is the GPU. Advantages include:

Skylake instead of Haswell, gives more of an upgrade path
GTX 1060 instead of the terrible GTX 960 (for the most part the GTX 1060 3GB is usually at least 60% faster!)
DDR4 instead of DDR3
430 Watt PSU instead of a 350 Watt
2TB hard disk AND a 120GB SSD instead of just a 2TB hard disk.
Easier to upgrade and reuse parts
You build it yourself, you'll realise how easy it is and actually have a sense of accomplishment.

If anyone wants help or wants more information PM me.

Hi, Very informative post. Sent you a PM. Would be grateful for your help/comments/suggestions. Thank you.

Its so laughable that these idiots don't understand the matter that some parents don't give a jot about what your talking about.. there child wants a gaming PC and this is adequate and pretty decent for the price.

Now you have finished getting the bits together, would you like to put it together for free for all the parents that are intrigued by what you have put, say 100.. what do you say. Come on.. 2 a day Max.. 50 days. What do you say. You know because its so easy to get a better spec by doing it yourself. Or would you say go buy the MSI.

BTW, because you have gone for the Zotac card you will need to add gaming recording software to your rig which comes with MSI cards. :stuck_out_tongue:

lol Looks like Ollie is your first customer. haha

Ollie, whilst I largely agreed from a gaming perspective it's still a £300 CPU in a low cost package.

It's a lot more capable than the system you spec for general purpose, encoding video, editing, image manipulation and is still capable gaming wise, particularly for games like Overwatch.

I wouldn't spec a machine like that ordinarily, but it's still a decent deal for that money, especially given the 2 year warranty.

If you could get to an i5 for similar money I'd say no contest, but i3 I wouldn't touch.

And the whole point of my post was because of the small footprint an atx PC with big mobo in place and that skylake would likely throttle the 1060 you would need the Intel 6300 more like. And the i7 is no slouch and it's ready built ...

Note that nightblade case is sized 10 L and the fractal design core 1100 25L, so this desktop is really tiny. The i7 will be suitable if you plan to use the PC for something more than just gaming, it will have sufficient performance for web browsing, general computing, etc.

I'd put money on them not being overly disruptive. If it's as fast as Intel's offering it'll cost the same, AMD has to recoup it's development costs from somewhere.

I disagree, I think they will take the approach of stacking them high and selling them cheap.

Nobody will gamble on AMD CPU and the new required socketed boards if they're equivalent to an Intel CPU.

Why would I buy a new board and CPU and gamble on a brand that hasn't been a CPU leader since the Athlon 64 if I could just buy a new a new CPU for my existing hardware?

There was talk of 40% cheaper for some consumer lines when compared to the equivalent Intel chip. I hope they get somewhere close, the benchmarks have already shown performance they have something of interest with the 6900 benchs.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea.

It's a matter of how you see your computer. Do you see it as a collection of parts, or one whole? Do you see it in relatives, or absolutes? Because if you see it as a collection of parts and in relatives, then, yes, 35% extra for 6.5% better performance is probably some pretty poor value, especially if you're not going to need that extra edge.

If you see it as a whole though, maybe it's not so bad a decision. The whole computer, to which the CPU is an essential component which influences every aspect of its performance, won't cost 35% more because of that one part. It'll cost nearer 6.5%. For the total system, isn't 6.5% more money worth 6.5% more performance?

That said, I'd personally spend the extra on at least an i5-6400 anyway.

Bought this yesterday, delivered today to replace my system that is no longer with me for a while :disappointed: and needed a pc asap for gaming and work, but when i get it my old system back i will hopefully sell it for a few hundred in a month or so
or daughters birthday present :smile:
now OOS

Thanks Ollie; this is the most helpful and informative post I've read regarding PCs - especially for someone like me that enjoys gaming but doesn't know very much about the mechanics of the thing or a component's bang to the buck.

Are there any company recommendations for average gaming desktops? My Dad needs a replacement for his now broken 5 year old PC, but he only plays older "classic" games (2005 era 3D). Could he get away with a £250 non-gaming desktop?

Most likely. You could build your own:

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hwjhYr
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hwjhYr/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£106.95 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£39.98 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£39.55 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£23.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply (£34.79 @ Aria PC)
Total: £281.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-01-12 14:20 GMT+0000

If you want to take it slightly more serious add an RX 480 or GTX 1060 3GB/6GB.

Wow! Thanks for the fast reply :laughing:

And if he doesn't want to build it...

Can't really help you there, I've never bought a pre-built PC in my entire life.

My Dad helped me build my first PC as a kid and I've never not built my own desktop in over 20 years.