either way i recommend waiting until Q1 2017 as AMD will be releasing Zen
delboyd
9 Dec 163#6
Not sure why people go for these instead of just getting an older 4690k or even 4670k. Doesn't perform a whole lot better for the extra cash.
These prices are disgusting. Let's hope Zen fixes things.
delboyd
9 Dec 163#4
£10 less than a 4790k two years ago, pahaha. Love a monopoly.
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vulcanproject
10 Dec 16#21
'Currently' is the key word you use. Currently the price of the NVMe M.2 drives puts some people off as well. Potentially though we are seeing large gains. These drives can comfortably be 4 times faster and with a lot more headroom a lot more left to come. But the older platforms like Z97 won't support it.
This is still but one aspect I outlined of later chipsets. It's difficult to see gains from technologies that are relatively new but the market moves fast and then they can become more apparent.
So again the question you should be asking is why would I buy an older platform. If it saves you a lot on your budget and you'll never upgrade the machine then it makes sense. Otherwise it doesn't. Full speed NVMe support for the next few years is kind of a must have for a new machine IMO even if you don't use it right now.
Scottc123
10 Dec 16#20
I've got an NVMe laptop, but my desktop with a SATA SSD "feels" faster (probably due to the faster CPU). I've not put them head-to-head transferring data, but as you said, why would I? Even though my motherboard supports NVMe I have no desire to upgrade to that path due to the large price differences/lack of obvious performance difference on a day-to-day basis. I guess that increased data bandwidth might be useful for someone doing heavy video editing with massive files (not me, nor most other users).
Confuzz
10 Dec 16#19
Im going to wait for the i3-7350K in January i dont need that many cores for gaming and it should be able to match if not beat this clockspeed for cheaper
alanbeenthere
10 Dec 161#18
I currently do not see much gain to be had from ddr3 to ddr4 or sata to nvme m2. I doubt a normal user could tell the difference until they wanted to move a few TB of data about inside a system, and who does that on a regular basis?
Babbler
10 Dec 16#17
Hmmm. Tempted for the Asus maximus board which was posted yesterday. Still living with the old i5 2500... Hmmm.
Scottc123
10 Dec 16#16
Don't forget the overclockability of the 4790K: mine has been running stable at 4.8 GHz boost on all four cores for 11 months at 1.255 Vcore, 23oC when browsing the web, <65oC under load. The high clock speeds are good for Dolphin and CEMU emulation, and I can be almost certain my CPU is not holding my new GTX 1070 back. Remember that buying a 4-series Intel CPU also saves on the cost of the motherboard and also the RAM (there is little, if any real-world difference between DDR3 and DDR4). I paid £230 for my 4790K 12 months ago and it came with a games bundle that I sold for £35. Ah, the pre-Brexit vote days.
killjoy_bbc
10 Dec 16#14
a year ago it was selling for 185£, when it hit the market ... I want that price back or less.
vulcanproject to killjoy_bbc
10 Dec 161#15
Yeah you can put a lot down to Brexit and the pound crash :stuck_out_tongue: I snagged a new 6700k for £230 just a few weeks before the referendum. Most tech was cheaper. DDR4 prices have exploded, the exact same kit I paid £68 in early June is now £100 everywhere I have seen it since!
It does, it's just a small amount- from the highest end DDR4 equipped Skylake to the highest end DDR4 equipped Kaby Lake, not a lot at all. Versus a Haswell DDR3 chip though it's another small amount more on top in terms of IPC.
But it's mostly a platform thing, I really wouldn't buy an older platform now when M.2 SSDs are getting to be a major thing and you have a much better choice of supporting boards. The older Z97 chipset boards don't support full speed M.2 because they use the PCie 2.0 lanes.
You have to weigh up whether the platform benefits you or any cost savings on older chips are more important. Unless you are saving like big money by buying second hand or something and on a budget for it I don't see a reason to buy an older platform.
vulcanproject
10 Dec 16#11
The reason why you want a 6600k is because if you buy a good board now it'll support DDR4 and Kaby Lake future processors.
No, neither of these things adds lots either over the older Haswell chips. But then you need to consider the platform a bit more too. There is wider ranging M.2 SSD (with a lot more PCIE lanes, all newer 3.0 spec) and USB 3.1 support for example on LGA1151 boards. The lanes matter for high speed add ons.
There is nothing wrong or dated with Haswell chips or the boards and none of the above might matter a lot to some people. But newer generally IS better.
RedRain
9 Dec 16#10
will the price of these drop much when laby comes out
Dizzlepro
9 Dec 163#9
i paid £160 for my i5 2500k back in 2012
either way i recommend waiting until Q1 2017 as AMD will be releasing Zen
emodan
9 Dec 161#8
I'd go for last gen and get a 4770k from cex for less than this. Yeah it's second hand but 2 year warranty so same as new
Danjw91
9 Dec 161#7
I guess people just like 'New' there isn't much difference between them, 4790k performs better but I get your point. For £20 more it's worth it but that depends if you have a LGA1151 or LGA1150 slot. I'm new to the whole PC gaming so I think the slots are different so that might be a reason.
delboyd
9 Dec 163#6
Not sure why people go for these instead of just getting an older 4690k or even 4670k. Doesn't perform a whole lot better for the extra cash.
These prices are disgusting. Let's hope Zen fixes things.
delboyd
9 Dec 163#4
£10 less than a 4790k two years ago, pahaha. Love a monopoly.
Danjw91 to delboyd
9 Dec 161#5
It's a shame prices aren't what they were years ago.
izzysmum
9 Dec 16#3
Sorry didnt notice third party, best go with Amazon. Only a 2% saving though so maybe Flubit.
silver_j
9 Dec 161#2
It's sold by a third party, maybe slightly better to pay £1 more for Amazon if you don't need it urgently? Assuming they actually deliver it when they say.
izzysmum
9 Dec 16#1
Hot price, looks like 3% off the next cheapest! And foc del too?
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either way i recommend waiting until Q1 2017 as AMD will be releasing Zen
These prices are disgusting. Let's hope Zen fixes things.
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This is still but one aspect I outlined of later chipsets. It's difficult to see gains from technologies that are relatively new but the market moves fast and then they can become more apparent.
So again the question you should be asking is why would I buy an older platform. If it saves you a lot on your budget and you'll never upgrade the machine then it makes sense. Otherwise it doesn't. Full speed NVMe support for the next few years is kind of a must have for a new machine IMO even if you don't use it right now.
But it's mostly a platform thing, I really wouldn't buy an older platform now when M.2 SSDs are getting to be a major thing and you have a much better choice of supporting boards. The older Z97 chipset boards don't support full speed M.2 because they use the PCie 2.0 lanes.
You have to weigh up whether the platform benefits you or any cost savings on older chips are more important. Unless you are saving like big money by buying second hand or something and on a budget for it I don't see a reason to buy an older platform.
No, neither of these things adds lots either over the older Haswell chips. But then you need to consider the platform a bit more too. There is wider ranging M.2 SSD (with a lot more PCIE lanes, all newer 3.0 spec) and USB 3.1 support for example on LGA1151 boards. The lanes matter for high speed add ons.
There is nothing wrong or dated with Haswell chips or the boards and none of the above might matter a lot to some people. But newer generally IS better.
either way i recommend waiting until Q1 2017 as AMD will be releasing Zen
These prices are disgusting. Let's hope Zen fixes things.