Like many others I have been on the lookout for a good value laptop and surprised by all the large capacity but slow hard disk drives still around. Core i5, 256GB SSD and 8GB should make for great performance for general use.
Only thing missing is the full HD display but at £350 hard to find better for the money!
There's a same spec i7 version also on ebuyer @ £449 but not worth the extra £100 (28% price increase) for a relatively small real world performance increase in my opinion.
Full specs pasted below:
Processor
Intel® Core™ i5-6200U 2.3 GHz
Intel HD Graphics 520
Turbo boost up to 2.8 GHz
3 MB cache
2 cores
Memory
8GB DDR4-2133 SDRAM
2 SODIMM slots, non customer accessible/upgradeable (models with Intel® Core™ i7-6500U. i5-6200U, i3-5005U processors)
Hard Drive
256GB SSD M2 SATA3
Optical Drive
None
Software
Operating System: Windows 10 Home
Display
39.6 cm (15.6") diagonal anti-glare LED-backlit
Resolution: 1366 x 768
Graphics
Intel® HD Graphics 520
Audio
HD audio with DTS Studio Sound™
2 integrated stereo speakers
Support HP Noise Cancellation
Input Devices
Full-sized textured black island-style keyboard with numeric keypad
Networking
Integrated 10/100/1000 GbE
Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 802.11ac (1x1) WiFi
Bluetooth® 4.2 Combo with Wi-Di
Power Supply
ENERGY STAR® certified
45 W Smart AC adapter
3-cell, 31 Wh Li-ion
Dimensions
Width 38.43 cm
Depth 25.46 cm
Height 2.43 cm
Weight 1.96 kg
Interfaces
1 USB 3.0
2 USB 2.0
1 VGA
1 HDMI
1 headphone/microphone combo jack
1 AC power
1 RJ-45
1 multi-format digital media reader
Warranty / Misc
1 Year manufacturer Warranty
HP VGA camera
Top comments
DocRobotnik
30 Dec 1612#1
Wouldn't buy a laptop with a sub FullHD screen for 350. Just better options around.
Everything else is great, but it's all largely pointless if the screen looks like....
sunil237
31 Dec 1612#32
always see people complaining about these deals not having full HD screens like that is a. huge deal breaker.. yet the post gets 100s of heat.
if you people keep spouting about having full HD at the same price... post the damn deals and stop moaning. it's really annoying.
jrw
31 Dec 168#31
They don't do 1080 screens because of the simple fact that 99% of the general public wouldn't want or need it.
We've just moved offices at work and I've installed 30 new machines with 30 new 23 inch 1080 screens. All but a few have had their screens 'made bigger', ie a lower resolution and horribly blurry much to the disgust of myself and my tech.. In my opinion you shouldn't be allowed anything but the native resolution but if you made 1080 mainstream at 15 inches the first thing most people would do is lower the resolution.
I have a 15 inch 4k laptop and on some apps it's truly horrible but I wouldn't change it!
This is a great deal for a great laptop which will suit the general public.
matt101101
31 Dec 167#12
Sorry, £350 is too much to put up with a 1366x768 display. No matter what you're using your laptop for, that display is going to make the task unpleasant.
It's not a case of the display being "not the greatest" or "okay for light use" or any other 768p apologist nonsense people spout; 15.6" 1366x768 displays are horrible and anyone who's used a 15.6" 1080p (or above, though unlikely at anywhere near £350) display will know exactly what I mean.
Sure, it's not worth replacing a laptop you already have and are happy with just to upgrade from 768p to 1080p, but buying a new £300-400 laptop going into 2017 with a 768p display is absolute madness, in my opinion.
All comments (237)
DocRobotnik
30 Dec 1612#1
Wouldn't buy a laptop with a sub FullHD screen for 350. Just better options around.
Everything else is great, but it's all largely pointless if the screen looks like....
jasee to DocRobotnik
30 Dec 161#2
Agree exactly, sorry op
DatAlbino to DocRobotnik
31 Dec 161#14
If my 170 quid chromebook has a Full HD screen they can afford to put it on 3-400+ laptops, its an absolute joke
Good specs tho for the price
poing to DocRobotnik
31 Dec 162#39
Can you post up these better options? Keep in mind you have to match or better both the price and rest of the specs.
All these people moaning it's not 1080 make me laugh, it wasn't many years ago that people were saying you don't need 1080p unless the TV is bigger than 32 inches but now it seems you need it from 3.2 inches. I know you sit closer to the screen with a laptop but really we don't all need 1080 for average use.
lollypoplee
30 Dec 167#3
6th gen i5 and 256ssd for £350.
heat all the way from me.
ok the display isnt the greatest but unless your gonna want to use it for high end movies or photoshop editing its gonna be fast for usual every day stuff
cloudthecat
30 Dec 162#4
With 8GB Ram and i5 spec like this for £350 - I agree - you would be hard pressed to find anything that is sgnificantly BETTER at the SAME or LOWER price at the time of typing.
Worth it - and GREAT FIRST POST! Have some heat.
Fair play. :-)
ihatebingo
30 Dec 162#5
plus 1.72% cashback with topcashback.every penny counts.cracking laptop for the price 560 with debenhams
Jonnyblock
31 Dec 16#6
I thought the £100 more version had i7, full hd , AND a dedicated graphics card?
honestly never had a problem with ebuyer.
their customer service is great in my opinion.
cannot fault em but obviously others had had different experiences
tonyrath24
31 Dec 16#10
What's wrong with eBuyer?
Adopted_Scouser
31 Dec 16#11
3 Cell battery not going to limit battery life significantly or is this the norm now?
matt101101
31 Dec 167#12
Sorry, £350 is too much to put up with a 1366x768 display. No matter what you're using your laptop for, that display is going to make the task unpleasant.
It's not a case of the display being "not the greatest" or "okay for light use" or any other 768p apologist nonsense people spout; 15.6" 1366x768 displays are horrible and anyone who's used a 15.6" 1080p (or above, though unlikely at anywhere near £350) display will know exactly what I mean.
Sure, it's not worth replacing a laptop you already have and are happy with just to upgrade from 768p to 1080p, but buying a new £300-400 laptop going into 2017 with a 768p display is absolute madness, in my opinion.
hashemcom007 to matt101101
31 Dec 16#13
No
drasim to matt101101
31 Dec 163#40
Some time ago I would have disagreed, but now I appreciate a quality screen. I spent a few years using an XPS 17 which had an excellent display with vibrant colours. The Clevo I replaced it with had an awful dull screen with backlight bleed. When I look at laptop reviews now I tend to focus on the screen because that's the one thing you use 100℅ of the time on a laptop and it needs to be a worthwhile experience.
The rest of the specs look really good for £350 though.
chriscrooks
31 Dec 165#15
Good deal, ignore the resolution snobs, for this price it's a good spec!
ScorpioJonesy
31 Dec 162#16
if you can be bothered and dont mind messing the warranty up you shoud be able upgrade the screen panel to a full hd 1080p. done this on a few hp 450 g2's and it take about 10 minutes max.
jasee to ScorpioJonesy
31 Dec 16#18
Unless you have a second hand one handy, the ridiculous inflated price you now have to pay for a new one on Ebay will add about 100 pounds to the price :disappointed:
amour3k to ScorpioJonesy
31 Dec 16#23
I'm intrigued, please explain ..... :-)
matt101101
31 Dec 164#17
I know I'm likely wasting my time, but why "No"?
Most people don't use ~100PPI displays at less than arms length for anything else, so why put up with it on laptops? Tablets and phones, even at the £300-400 price point, have equal or higher outright resolution and much higher PPI displays than 15.6" 768p laptops (or 1080p laptops, for that matter, but you're not getting better than 1080p on a laptop for anywhere near £350).
That aside, it's possible to buy decently spec'd 1080p display laptops in the £300-400 price bracket, so why settle for 768p and then have to put up with it whilst doing literally everything you ever do on your laptop?
hashemcom007
31 Dec 162#19
At 350, i5 is rare. This has a large ssd, 8gb ram, made by hp in addition to the i5.
iEimis
31 Dec 16#20
Crazy specs, terrible display, at this price point it is still hot, in my opinion you'd rather have good cpu, ram and a decent ssd and screen comes after unless you use machine for designing solutions, then again you would probably be looking at something much more expensive than this.
Immensity
31 Dec 162#21
Thanks for the heat and the comments guys! While of course everyone would prefer a higher resolution... at this price point and even up to the £450 mark its fairly common to have the 768p resolution on the 15.6" screen so it really comes down to trade offs between the components.
You can go find a laptop with a full HD screen but if it's with an intel i5 processor, 8GB RAM and 256 GB SSD for less than even £500 I will take my hat off to you!
jonnypb
31 Dec 16#22
Good specs apart from the screen. The hp screens are pretty poor but for general Web browsing etc then it's fine for most people.
luke_b_walsh
31 Dec 162#24
fair play r kid
hot from me :wink:
lukemack
31 Dec 16#25
Looking for a new laptop myself trying to budget for £450 whats my best bet? Will be used for Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign and basic gaming (Footie Manager/Older games), with probably a little app creation thrown in, seeing far too many options atm not sure to stretch my budget either
elbs
31 Dec 16#26
can anyone suggest deals similar to this but with a 1TB HDD instead of a SSD (i need the space and rather not buy and external).
cheers! :smiley: and happy new year guys/ladies!
minicale
31 Dec 16#27
I use a 768p 15.6" laptop and it is perfectly fine for my usage (A little gaming, web browsing and video watching.).
When you consider that you probably use a 21.5" or 24" that is 1080p you get a very similar experience in terms of image quality.
For the price 768p is fine, obviously 1080p is nicer but you get what you pay for and the other specs are good for the price so for a lot of people its a good deal.
A lower resolution screen also has benefits such as less power usage and better performance so its not all bad.
malachi
31 Dec 16#28
Note this i5 is dual core not quad like on some models
uk3g
31 Dec 162#29
At this price and for the specs personally I think its a good deal, heat from me.
Yes FullHD would be ideal but your not likely get it at this price with the same spec's.
aabarcellos
31 Dec 161#30
Good post ..should help many
Interesting that you can change the screen in 10 mins and hp don't do it .
You need to work for them ..good points made
jrw
31 Dec 168#31
They don't do 1080 screens because of the simple fact that 99% of the general public wouldn't want or need it.
We've just moved offices at work and I've installed 30 new machines with 30 new 23 inch 1080 screens. All but a few have had their screens 'made bigger', ie a lower resolution and horribly blurry much to the disgust of myself and my tech.. In my opinion you shouldn't be allowed anything but the native resolution but if you made 1080 mainstream at 15 inches the first thing most people would do is lower the resolution.
I have a 15 inch 4k laptop and on some apps it's truly horrible but I wouldn't change it!
This is a great deal for a great laptop which will suit the general public.
MIDURIX to jrw
31 Dec 161#37
Tell them to go to Specsavers
sunil237
31 Dec 1612#32
always see people complaining about these deals not having full HD screens like that is a. huge deal breaker.. yet the post gets 100s of heat.
if you people keep spouting about having full HD at the same price... post the damn deals and stop moaning. it's really annoying.
Wakinglimb
31 Dec 162#33
This is an excellent deal but as others have said real world you will notice the sub Full HD screen more than going to an i3 CPU.
rapid111111
31 Dec 16#34
You should put 720p or HD in the title
te721
31 Dec 16#35
mine arrived yesterday as I bought it when it was posted 3 weeks ago. Have been holding off as I wanted the best possible deal and couldn't beat this it feels quite cheap but for me it's all about what's under the hood I was installing some some basic steam games on it last night and it seems nice to use would recommend at this price
To all the 768p lovers try using a 1080p laptop for a decent amount of time then you will realise just how horrendous these 768p screens are. It's not resolution snobbery lol it's about user experience. I also found a big difference in having one for my work laptop so looking at it all day long was far better for my eye sight/less headaches than the years i'd spent looking at a blury (in comparison) 768p screen.
For me the Lenovo 14" 2-in-1 for £349 at Currys with i3 and128gb ssd but 1080p screen is a better choice. People think i3 must be rubbish but it has a better cpubenchmark score than my gen 4 i7 in what was at the time a £750 laptop. I bought one for my Son and it's surprisingly quick so unless you 'need' an i5 latest gen i3s are plenty fast enough for everyday use. In fact just checked the cpubenchmarks and as I suspected the i5 in this and the i3 in the Lenovo are as near as damn it identical in performance (only 34 points difference which is negligible). People get too hung up on the i5 model thinking it's so above an i3 but it's all down to cpu models and a quick cpubenchmark check will tell you what you are getting.
My experience with low end HP laptops are that they are horrible, nasty keyboards and nasty looking/designed casing worse than other brands at the same price point and would never buy one again. High end such as the Spectre range are obviouly amazing bits of kit and where HP excel.
It's easy enough and cheap enough to stick a 256gb ssd in any modern laptop but I can appreciate those who don't care about a decent screen this is a decent spec budget laptop for the money.
jbarnsie
31 Dec 163#41
The HD screen lovers make it sounds like a serious medical condition having to use a non hd screen...
It is not, obviously it is nicer to have one but again please post something with even close to this spec with one at this price.
Thanks op and don't be discouraged by the usual replies
7777777
31 Dec 164#42
£350 for 6th gen i5, 256gb ssd and HP 250 must be hot.
Love to laugh at these deluded idiots so adamantly protesting against 1366x768 displays in 15.6''. Yes, your phone has better screen resolution.Yes, fullHD is better (often).
No, manufacturers will not change their minds because your cold votes and comments on hukd.
pr2thej
31 Dec 165#43
All these 'experts' whining about the screen without a single counter-deal posted. This is an excellent price for what's on offer. If you disagree I'm sure the OP would love to see where they went wrong with this supposed abundance of 1080p laptops of similar spec at the £350 Mark.
check_your_bank
31 Dec 162#44
looks like a good deal, decent spec and HP quality.
90% of the work is simply removing the plastic bezel round the screen. The guy in the video does it in under 10 minutes, but an amateur doing it for the first time might take a bit longer. :smiley:
jayd95
31 Dec 164#46
I think a lot of people are getting drawn in by the core i5.
Its a 6200u which is the exact same processor as the Core i3 6100U without the 2.3-2.6 turbo.
Its CPU score is :
Core i5 6200U: 3930
Core i3 6100U: 3896
I personally would take a core i3 with a full HD screen over this any day
pr2thej
31 Dec 162#47
Link your deal or pipe down
jayd95
31 Dec 161#48
the Lenovo Yoga deal thats already on here is a much better deal, better build quality and a full hd ips screen 8 hour battery life, the list goes on......
Nice deal OP, I'm also looking for a laptop, sadly this doesn't tick all the boxes for me because like others have said the screen + dedicated graphics, still a good deal either way! Have some heat :smile:
using excell and websites they would be terrible at this resolution and page would need to be scroll across and vertically all the time..you can decease the size in settings to get more on the screen but then the letters become hard to read so i would not buy this. i also watch a lot of 1080p movie.
For a sort of gaming experience it might fare better. good processor and low resolution (although watchable) means things could fly.
The resolution is the main thing that would stop me even considering it.(apart from touchscreen as i like that as well).
newsgroupmonkey
31 Dec 16#55
Good deal. I'm surprised this hasn't been posted before. It's been this price for weeks. Voted hot.
simonbrowne
31 Dec 16#56
People are just giving an opinion and some have given a reason. The reason A LOT of people are saying there is a problem is just that there is a problem and pointing it out to people who may want to purchase it.
People may not be able to find a better deal they are just showing the pitfalls to anyone considering buying it, who may then regret purchasing it later.
Those who are putting this down please post alternatives at price range with full HD then!
smileydaisy
31 Dec 16#58
oh my getting so confused now lol looking to upgrade to a new laptop from my 5 year old dell. ..I thought that i3 and some good ram would be what I am looking for now everyone is talking about ssd. ....now I am going to have to google that. ...wish me luck. ....on another note it does help reading the comments some really explain things thanks
BritishDragon
31 Dec 161#59
lol - it has
Sp0oner
31 Dec 161#60
I think you need to pipe down sunshine. The Lenovo Yoga deal has been pointed out already.
gdelve
31 Dec 16#61
does anyone know if the Memory is upgradable here. I know it mentions something in the description but is that a no then?
BritishDragon
31 Dec 16#62
This is just false. I have this very laptop & haven't changed any icon/font/zoom settings. The screen is perfectly fine to read (& I'm no spring chicken in terms of vision/eye perforfomance!). There is no sideways scrolling required on browsing
AshFox
31 Dec 16#63
I'm torn between this post and the current PC world deal...is it worth the extra £50?
I'd rather have the worst laptop imaginable with a high resolution IPS screen than use this. The screen is literally how you interact with the PC and a terrible 768p TN screen is just torture in this day and age.
BritishDragon
31 Dec 16#66
afaik there are 2 ram slots, but they don't have there own removable back plate on the underside so the whole underside cover needs removing to expose the slots. You would need to check on the hp site what the limit is for allowable GB of ram for this model
suchitmehta7
31 Dec 16#67
not asking for all but should have at least one of these..
-quad core
-full hd
-2-5 mp webcam, (VGA Cam these days :confused: )
stanlenin
31 Dec 16#68
Pity the storage is so tiny you can install one game like CoD Infinite Warfare and the hard drive will be full.
Jonnyblock
31 Dec 161#69
The point is, as consumers we shouldn't put up with it. Stop buying the poorer specs and they'll have to start having higher resolution screens as standard. It wouldnt cost them much more.
jayd95
31 Dec 161#70
Don't get the pc world deal, stay as far away from it as possible, for that price it needs a 256gb ssd and a full hd display, which despite what some people thing are absolute necessities on a new laptop.
The SSD alone makes the biggest difference you will ever see on a pc and the screen is what you have to look at everyday so why not make it a good one
This one was available for £419 in the past I believe.
And less than £500 now, can i get your hat? :smile:
jayd95
31 Dec 161#72
Exactly, it costs them less than £5 extra for a good screen and ssd but because people not in the know buy the low spec machines they keep making them and after 12 months when the low power machine gets even slower they go out and buy a new low spec machine and the cycle continues
BuckRodgers666
31 Dec 161#73
Honestly people. There are bigger problems in the world than hd screens...... heated for the deal, stop bleating and have a nice new year everyone
evildrneil
31 Dec 16#74
Hot for what it is, though I would pay a bit more and get a higher resolution screen. The keyboard and the screen are the two bits that you interact with and I want them to be the best I can afford.
CampGareth
31 Dec 16#75
Gah that resolution, I mean I understand they had to cut costs somewhere (RRP for the CPU is 281 USD, throw in a bit more for the SSD and you have the price of the entire machine) but that is a bad place to cut from.
It's like a car that's got razor blades all over the steering wheel, the main interaction point is painful to use. Sure you might grin and bear it but the first time you use a steering wheel without razor blades you will never want to go back.
Add 100 GBP on for a new panel and you've still got a good price though, only sticking point is the battery capacity.
Chuggee
31 Dec 16#76
Quad core costs more than twice the price for Intel to cut from a silicon wafer, because silicon isn't like most products where the quality is constant like a large barrel of water. A silicon wafer can have defects, and the larger the "die" (the CPU cores) you cut from a wafer, the greater the chance of cutting a faulty die with some bad quality silicon.
There's no excuse about a Full HD screen though, they cost a little bit more than 768p screens to manufacture as LCD is a constant quality and readily available. The fact that even a Hudl 2 and your phones have a Full HD screen in this day and age speaks volumes about the Laptop market.
gamerforever
31 Dec 16#77
I paid an extra £100 for a core i7 and more importantly a 1080p screen. Decent deal, but all laptops should be 1080p minimum these days.
simonbrowne
31 Dec 16#78
a lot of websites now are now responsive which means they adjust to fit the screen you are using ie phone or low resolution. This can have odd effects to a web page. If a page is not responsive you are more likely to encounter the problem of horizontal scrolling. Although you may get around horizontal scrolling the resolution wont help vertical scrolling or even cutting of of large images if they are high resolution.
For excell if you are doing very basic stuff that will also fit but i can have in the region of up to 20 columns (which even the hd screens will need scrolling) .
WAWG
31 Dec 16#79
For the average user of a laptop I don't see how a full HD laptop is necessary. People keep banging on about the screen quality being the priority when purchasing a laptop yet surely performance is the main reason people change their laptop and this seems to be pretty good spec for the price point. And I'm one of those people who purposely bought a HD TV rather than go with the flow and get a 4K TV for similar reasons.
WAWG
31 Dec 16#80
Can you provide everyone with an alternative laptop of the same spec and at the same price but with a full HD screen please. Thank you!
dipakpatel91
31 Dec 16#81
Would this spec be suitable for low level gaming ?
jayd95
31 Dec 16#82
Unlikely the integrated graphics are only good for 2d games, you really need dedicated graphics and even then a gtx950m is probably the entry point if it is very low level gaming then get something with an AMD processor as they have relatively good graphics built in to their APU
gowf
31 Dec 16#83
Was a very similar deal on. Ebuyer around Black Friday which I bought. The screen is awful but the rest is fantastic. Please note these models the updownleftright keys are tiny, which can be annoying
Rizza
31 Dec 161#84
Good deal for the specs, but like a few others the resolution is just too low for me and ruins the user experience. It's not that I'm seeking crazy high PPI numbers as the sharpness isn't the problem, but it's the limited and painfully low amount of content that can fit vertically into a 768 screen, so pictures and text that would fit into a single screen on higher resolution displays will require vertical scrolling.
I have a 15.6" HP sleekbook with the same 768 resolution and it's great for videos and casual use, but once I need to do serious productivity work reading or creating word documents, excel sheets etc, it suffers badly. It's not about being snobbish here, this is a real drawback and the fact some people can live with or cope with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's not also complaining just for the sake of complaining, but enlightening those who may be less aware...... nonetheless, it's a fantastic deal for those who can accept the resolution!
Rizza
Krizzo3
31 Dec 161#85
You people are insane, this would be a deal, maybe at 279 not 349 :-O
rollstroll
31 Dec 16#86
For what it is worth.....
I ordered a laptop from Ebuyer never arrived and was stuck within delivery system it took a month to convince them I never received item.
Not the first time I have had a poor experience with this company.
xfaxfa
31 Dec 16#87
No, just the i7
Eez1
31 Dec 16#88
The integrated 520 graphics have come a long way. You'll easily play most
games from a couple years back and newer ones on lower settings
xfaxfa
31 Dec 16#89
Funny, I've had the exact opposite experience. An item never arrived, it had sold out so they refunded me that day... or I could have waited for a stock replen
xfaxfa
31 Dec 16#90
If you want to play FTL then yes. Seriously, play FTL! :stuck_out_tongue:
Guinea
31 Dec 16#91
Fine, but only if you want to use a separate monitor with it. Screen resolution is borderline unusable
Immensity
31 Dec 161#92
OP here - Haha I have taken my hat off to you sir and thanks for sharing!
Please see link iEimis has provided above for effectively the same spec machine with a full HD screen at £489.97 @laptopsdirect. Up to the individual if they think the extra £140 (40% increase) is worth it for the higher resolution but we do have a great comparison now.
helal94
31 Dec 16#93
Could you suggest me a full HD laptop for a similar price
simonbrowne
31 Dec 161#94
The lenovo which has been mentioned a few time. Have you even read any of the discussion?
seanmcr
31 Dec 16#95
useless resolution will severely limit what one can do with this laptop
harrybeeee1
31 Dec 16#96
It's not just resolution to consider with a screen
These have terrible quality panels which do not give a good picture quality
If you move your head even slightly the colours change, it's very hard on your eyes and pretty unsatisfying to use
If you look at an old iPad 1, that had a 1024 res screen but nice quality, good viewing angles etc .. ok higher res screens around but at least it was good quality
Not the case with this, the screen is the most used feature yet one of the worst parts in the laptop. Think about it!
adamski88
31 Dec 16#97
99% of the general public wouldn't want or need it.
.. No
Eez1
31 Dec 16#98
And dual channel the memory if it isn't already for a few extra FPS
Personnally I would not get another laptop that was not at least full HD. However, for most people the display on this laptop will be fine and it represents fantastic value for money. I've not seen a better deal for value for money.
andreasuk
31 Dec 16#102
it's not a bad laptop for everyday use if you don't need the HD screen.
but you do that's the reality
It's a 15.6" screen why would you watch HD on such a small screen!!! It's like listening to FLAC files through a Bluetooth speaker! This is a deal :sunglasses: to the OP!
jrw
31 Dec 16#105
Oh, I'm sorry, I've only been in the IT business for 16 years dealing with 10s of thousands of people ranging from nursery's to special schools to directors. I know what 99% of people want from a computer thanks.
Please do tell me how you're qualified.
I can count on one hand the times I've installed a new pc and not had to lower the resolution if it was a high resolution screen.
adamkaty
31 Dec 16#106
come on guys, don't fool yourselves. 768p is absolutely disgusting at 15.6 inches. This is coming from someone who loves a 768p 12.5 inch laptop.
stupot76
31 Dec 16#107
Would of been a better deal to have it without optical drive reducing price and weight.
m14x74
31 Dec 16#108
voted hot !! lovely machine, shame about resolution, but as the O.P. rightly said at this price point is a great buy
spannerzone
31 Dec 16#109
Guys be realistic, this is incredibly cheap when you look at it rationally, a fairly decent CPU, ram and an SSD for £350 - I agree that the screen resolution ideally would be better but I'm sure that's where you can spend some more money and get that specification.
Conversely someone with a max budget of £350 is able to get a decent performing laptop
You have to think of these low priced deals as nothing more than attention grabbing deals for the average user and then ask whether you're an average user, if not don't buy it.
Geokinkladze
31 Dec 16#110
I'm sure most people voting hot think a full hd screen isn't such a deal breaker at 15.6".
KrispiiDuck
31 Dec 161#111
You don't need to buy an external drive - if you can live without the optical drive, then buy a caddy to fit that slot and stick a Tb drive in there. Best of both worlds.
Sanchit
31 Dec 16#112
?? you're sitting right in front of the screen. not a few metres away.
davidg_croydon
31 Dec 16#113
Graphics are only important if you are playing high-res graphics games. This is an ideal laptop for browsing Facebook and playing FB type games.. Don't need a full HD screen for that, it makes the text too small.
kevin1961
31 Dec 16#114
I will never buy from Ebuyer again. Terrible customer service. OK until something goes wrong.
Geokinkladze
31 Dec 16#115
Bingo.
jayd95
31 Dec 161#116
Without a doubt this is a cheap laptop with great specs but it seems a lot of people on here havent used a laptop with at least a good quality 1080p display before, it changes everything, it allows you to work with two windows open side by side, you can see more on a webpage, everything is a lot crisper and with windows you can have the scaling set too 125% so if you want the larger icons of a 1366x768 display you can but you get the added benefit of a much crisper sharper display.
The argument of price is invalid as their have been many deals posted on here with a Full HD Panel for less than £400, the Lenovo Yoga 510 for instance, yes it has a smaller SSD but in return you get a thinner, lighter better quality laptop with a 1080p IPS display and much better battery life, surely people must be able to see the difference just walk into PCWorld and look at the displays of the laptops and justify to me its worth getting this over the Lenovo or just waiting until next week when there will be another great laptop deal with a 1080p display
jayd95
31 Dec 16#117
So youre telling me you get a High resolution display and run it at a lower resolution instead of just setting windows to Scale the OS :-S
Harryisme
31 Dec 161#118
Because despite the lack of FullHD, most of us still see a product for it's good value, honestly don't think the inclusion of the FullHD screen would add much to the BOM cost of the laptops, but manufacturers still choose a decade old resolution standard for some reason.
simonbrowne
31 Dec 161#119
So 50% disagree with you here but 99% of real people dont mind the low resolution according to you.
Your not the first IT guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.
cloudthecat
31 Dec 163#120
The HEAT that this "deal" has generated as you VERY FIRST DEAL - and over 117 comments - @ 1174 degrees shows - that no matter how hard some try to pursuade others to the contrary - this IS as far as the majority are concerned - a very GOOD deal - at the time of posting - and with all other things taken into consideration.
PC pureists can argue till the cows come home - but some other members of the public dont use their lappy for the same purposes as gaming and MUST have HD etc....
Keep up with the good postings!
iEimis
31 Dec 16#121
It occasionally comes down to around 425 I believe, so I would suggest to hold on for those who don't need it right now, also the FHD one has a better build quality I believe.
Sheza1
31 Dec 16#122
Why don't they just use 1.25 or 1.5 DPI scaling??
russtyk
31 Dec 161#123
And yet, companies like HP, who clearly know nothing about market demand keep churning these machines out and they get over 1000 heat on deals like this. But I think you're right, since you've taken a fairly representative sample of the general population based on HUKD deal bashers.
jrw
31 Dec 16#124
Yes because the scale doesn't scale most bespoke applications.
As I said, I've got a 4k 15 inch screen so I know all about scale thanks.
jbarnsie
31 Dec 16#125
Just torture
That wins the thread
Real hardship get a grip
duckative
31 Dec 16#126
it's usually so that people have to buy their higher spec models. You'll be hard pressed to find a backlit keyboard for less than 399, even though I imagine it wouldn't cost much to add
jrw
31 Dec 16#127
That's because like you, 50% of people are self opinionated thinking they're right and everyone else is wrong.
I've not got where I am today by listening to advice off forums like this and not knowing what I'm talking about.
As I say, I've worked with every spectrum of the population so I know what people want and what people like.
All people see is memory. Only have to watch currys adverts etc to see that. 'A massive 8gb of memory with a huge 2tb of storage just for £399'. They fail to mention the celeron processor or the 2 cell battery but people aren't interested. Ask anyone who doesn't know about computers, ask them the spec and the first thing they'll tell you even if they know at all is 'the memory' which is all encompassing of ram and hard drive.
It's why ssd drives aren't that mainstream because people see them as storage rather than speed so therfore a 1tb mechanical drive is more appealing than a 256gb ssd because it stores more.
DarrylJohn
31 Dec 162#128
the folks complaining about the resolution "problem"... Look at the heat.
Ciao!
Triumerate
31 Dec 161#129
15.6 inch for 768p, cold.
fretofa
31 Dec 16#130
It's a good spec for the price.
Now stop your complaining and give up whinging for the new year
Naruto
31 Dec 161#131
Your first deal got over 1000 heat! Well done! Hope to see you post more great deals from you in the future
adamski88
31 Dec 161#132
Exactly. 16 years uve been in the business and I'm sure what your saying applies for the first 10 of those.
Past 2 jobs I've been in, probably even 3 jobs so 6-7 years all companies have had 1080p screens. Even at uni they had 1080p screens!
Plus, people love higher resolution screens. Screen quality is often a deciding factor when buying a new monitor, TV, tablet, phone, laptop... Resolution is one of the most talked about parts.
I have a surface and the resolution is amazing at 13.3 inches.. 1080p at 15 inches looks bad.
Orcinus_orca
31 Dec 16#133
Good price to be fair but if I was buying a new laptop, it would need to be 1080 to feel like a true upgrade
leeparsons
31 Dec 16#134
This one or the btshop?
lehappymerchant
31 Dec 164#135
The clock on my microwave has a better screen resolution than this laptop.
jayd95
31 Dec 16#136
So you are telling me that on a 23 inch display at 1080p some bespoke applications become unusable....
Im sorry but the only reason people dont understand the difference between 1366x768 and 1920x1080 is because they are both referred to as HD, back when tv's where HD ready and Full HD most people didn't understand the difference and still dont it has nothing to do with people preferring larger images, you take anybody into pcworld and show them a 1366x768TN panel laptop and compare it to a 1920x1080 IPS display and you're telling me they will prefer the former because its a bit bigger........
Damanc
31 Dec 161#137
Voice of reason here,
The "i5" 6200U found in this is 81% slower than a "real i5" 6th Gen 6500 CPU - its only 7% faster than a pentium G4400 CPU.
The RAM & SSD is unbranded.
Plug it into a Full HD screen and it will output 1080P.
It is a pretty poor laptop but at £350 its a reasonable price, just don't expect it to be quick or upgradable so treat it as a "throwaway".
jrw
31 Dec 16#138
No, I never said that. I said the display scaling only works on the OS, not the application so therfore the resolution has to be changed despite how much it annoys me.
But anyway, you clearly know way more than I do, so you carry on trolling your tripe on here.
And yes most people prefer the former when reading text on a display. I don't. I didn't say I did. I'm simply saying that most people can't cope with 1080 or higher on a computer screen when used for work, Internet browsing or reading. Simple fact.
simonbrowne
31 Dec 16#139
I like most are opinionated because I've used both which is why I would NOT EVEN CONSIDER a low res screen.
I doubt you even give people the chance to choose a screen when you are doing work in IT or perhaps you did and 99% said they preferred the low res screens blocky letters . Unfortunately I don't believe you your statistic compared to my statistic that had some real world logic to them.
jrw
31 Dec 16#140
Give them a chance to choose? Lol. They wouldn't know what they were looking for. These are 23 inch 1080 ips panels. All matching, coming from the old office with a mix of all sorts of crap from 19 inch 4:3 to the 23 inch ones described above.
As soon as they sat at their new desks the first thing they all complained about was the text being ' too small'.
I've used and supported every monitor going. Only people that used them properly were at my old job if the graphic design and planning department. I would never change a monitor resolution from the native. It annoys me intensely and I can't fathom how people work with them. But they do, as I keep saying.
Anyway, I know nothing about real world logic apparently so I will bow down to your Gospel advice and belief that people actually have a clue what they're looking for when buying a laptop when they don't know the first thing about computers.
Harryisme
31 Dec 161#141
I don't think it's not so much what consumers Want but what they actually know, the average Joe doesn't know much about the difference between 1366 and 1080p or the difference between a Mechanical and SSD drive, or the different types of processors, they don't have time to do the research, but what everyone understands is numbers, 1TB is more than 256GB so it's better, 8GB Ram is more than 4GB so it's better. So if they see higher numbers at a lower price they are more attracted to it. Another thing they know is brands, they know Intel is a popular brand, they don't know the difference between a celeron, i3, i5 or i7, let alone the difference between the U, M, or K models, they see Intel and they recognise it at a popular brand so that's enough for them. That's why Intel has the Chime play after the inclusion of their CPU mention in ads, it's a trigger to remind the consumer that it's a trusted CPU they can buy with confidence. If the average consumer knew the benefits of a SSD or the difference between the CPU brands, they'd want that, (I wouldn't be surprised if Intel make their CPU line-up so confusing for that reason.) but they don't so they go for what they understand.
It's a basic marketing ploy to bump up the numbers of the cheapest components and make your product sound better. Because they know most people don't know that much about the product they are buying, so they use numbers and key components they know about to sell. It's like Beauty product using, % of people agreeing to sell their product.
jayd95
31 Dec 16#142
Thats only true if the application itself doesn't support scaling, i dont undestand in which use case you would need to lower the resolution on a 23 inch display at 1080p.
Im not saying you dont prefer higher resolutions im just saying that most normal people dont understand the difference between 1366x768 and 1920x1080 it is not a fact that they prefer lower resolutions because it looks bigger. Like i have said if you took a group of people into Pcworld and showed them the display on this laptop which ive seen in person and its towards the very bad end of terrible displays then showed them a Full HD IPS panel on another laptop theres no way they would choose this display.
Its all about educating the buyer, they dont know the difference but if they did they would appreciate it, you have a 15 inch 4k display which i bet you dont use without windows scaling?, if the average consumer knew like you and i do about good quality IPS displays and the ability to use scaling properly they would never buy a 1366x768 display again and we would finally force manufacturers to include them as standard
raff97
31 Dec 16#143
Everyone is going on about the Lenovo Yoga here. If I upgrade the RAM on it, would it be a better laptop than this one?
pesser
31 Dec 16#144
AHHAHAHAHAHAH QUALITY
jayd95
31 Dec 16#145
Yes alot better, we bought one and it is amazing for the price
mantisinc
31 Dec 16#146
Save yourself the problems and time of awful Windows machines and just shell out the extra for a Mac for goodness sake.
BritishDragon
31 Dec 16#147
The SSD is an m.2 variety, specifically a Samsung CM871a 256GB
CampGareth
31 Dec 16#148
Anecdotal but it seems we're all jumping on the 'bash the IT guy' bandwagon. My missus joined a new company a while back and got a computer used by the previous employee (small business, maybe 20 people). The person she replaced was roughly 50, she's roughly 20. There was a 1080p display attached to this computer, generic dell TN unit. The previous employee had turned the resolution down to 1280x720. My missus complained to me that the monitor was ancient and must have come out of a junk bin. Realised what was up, turned the monitor resolution up to native, no more problems.
I think older people just need glasses, and younger people need to be shown quality displays, the number of poorer families who just accept the worst computers is saddening. Thankfully when even a £50 tablet and £100 TV have IPS 1080p displays they'll get exposure eventually.
John Mason
31 Dec 161#149
This is laptop is nowhere even close to the price of the cheapest Mac and therefore I don't think the comment was very helpful. Windows 10 is now pretty good, certainly miles better than 8.x. Apple also appear to be losing focus on their Mac products. I for one am replacing my Air with a Surface Book. Just personal preference but Windows 10 really is very good.
deetem
31 Dec 16#150
Will this output 4k resolution?
Joshimitsu91
31 Dec 161#151
Shh he didn't think of that!
noss88
31 Dec 16#152
True now full hd its should be standard yoga is muuch much better what for quad i5 if No full hd screen
SomebodE
31 Dec 161#153
I know you've said you've dealt with a variety of people but saying 99% of people prefer lower resolution shows you're consistently dealing with the same demographic of people
All the multinational companies I've visited as a consultant have had at least one high resolution display but it's common to see 2-4 displays teamed together.
Saying that the custom applications only manage a lower resolution indicates poor development or lack of updates.
You can call my comments trolling if you wish but I'm putting forward my professional experience of working with various organisations. The multinationals I elude to are law firms, financial institutions, Transportation companies, government and NGO (UN) and I've consulted on communications and security.
They don't usually need the external setup support you're talking about due to vast in house IT teams.
Regarding the laptop, my view is its a decent spec for the price but the Yoga sounds more tempting because it's a little different to a standard laptop
albo63
31 Dec 161#154
Can some help me is this one a better deal for 1080p screen (I can get it for £330 using a discount code)
Dont bother with either as they have mechanical HDD, get a laptop with an SSD, have a look on youtube and see the difference between HDD vs SSD and you will see why its such a big issue on this site.
I posted a deal yesterday for an ultrabook Core i3, 128gb ssd, full hd ips display and 11 hours battery. Gets great reviews too.
I think of it like this if i need to store large volumes of files i just put them on a external usb 3.0 hard drive a low capacity SSD is fine for everything except gaming
imranafzall
31 Dec 161#156
Battery is 31Wh, would it last more than 2 hours ?? ~I don't think so...
capriboycraig
31 Dec 16#157
My daily use laptop is a few years old now HP Probook, i5 with a ... the same res screen as this. Ignore the naysayers and doombringers, it's perfectly fine for web browsing, watching netflix or DVD's and a light gaming (no fault of the screen - the discreet GPU in this isn't upto much). Sure there's better, but not at this price and it's 100% subjective (like most things) as to whether a higher res screen is needed here.
The SSD is the star here, and the first and only upgrade I fitted to mine when new. My OH has a similar specced HP consumer laptop to my probook (the probook is technically a business class 1 year throw away machine) however her's still has the stock 5400rpm HDD and I find it almost painful to use.
Heated.
mrcrypto
31 Dec 16#158
An awesome deal. Thanks for sharing :smiley:
spannerzone
31 Dec 163#159
Lesson 15b: How to cause mayhem and pointless arguementative clap trap on HUKD:
1:/ post a laptop deal with 768x1366 resolution
2:/ wait 6.24seconds for first comment on the resolution
3:/ sit back and watch the bun fight explode as keyboard warriors, self appointed IT experts and random troll baiters join in.
Well done OP, for a first post you've done very well in completing lesson 15b at HUKD. :smile:
John Mason
31 Dec 161#160
Completely agree that the SSD is what makes this a smoking hot deals. However business class laptops tend to be more robust that consumer grade laptops, I have going on 20 years experience in this area so trust me on this.
poing
31 Dec 161#161
But that Yoga not only has a slower processor but also half the ram and HD space. I'm not saying the Yoga is bad but it's not likely to appeal to the same person either.
Destard
31 Dec 161#162
Where? please link me a few that are in stock that meet the description you just stated. I'm after two, so would love to buy them if you can show me. Thanks.
Destard
31 Dec 162#163
Sorry but all of your post can be negated by this one simple fact:
£349.98
Rusty82
31 Dec 16#164
I got a 1080p laptop for £250. OK it's i3 and only 6gb ram and 128ssd. I'd rather that though than the higher spec with this panel. Could easily be 1080p at this price.
Uridium
31 Dec 16#165
Cold not a Mac....
Not really.... just thought it might give the screen haters something else to moan about....
Heated OP.
Duckman
31 Dec 161#166
Never had a full HD laptop screen in my life and it's never bothered me. I care a lot of processor speed, specs, but a full HD screen has never been a deal breaker as I have a TV for movies etc. If I'm watching on a laptop, it's small enough not to bother me and basic tasks - internet, writing etc - are perfectly fine! There's nothing blurry or odd about the screen I'm on now and it's not full HD. I genuinely wonder about this bizarre obsession - it's nice, sure, but for those saying a non full HD screen is unusable or "makes every task unpleasant".. seriously?
andyp350
31 Dec 162#167
Agree with everyone that says the resolution is too low nowadays, I personally couldn't consider a laptop with such a lew res display. However for the price this is a fantastic spec laptop, so for people who aren't bothered its a cracking deal.
Voting it cold or telling people not to buy it because you would rather spend more on something nicer/better is like saying no one should buy any budget-mid range cars because the Porsche and Ferraris are nicer. Yes they are, but not everyone wants to pay a premium for the best features.
bhavesh_godhani
31 Dec 16#168
best configuration at low budget
IlIlIlIlIlIl
31 Dec 16#169
Anything with similar spec and a better screen in the £400 region?
CouldntThinkOfAUsername
31 Dec 16#170
One and half year later, people who buy this will be back searching or a new "budget" laptop. Stop wasting money on Windows laptops and get a Mac, at least you dont get a low contrast ratio 768 screen.
kundera111
31 Dec 16#171
Hi, Could someone help me find a laptop? I dont know much about computers. Im looking for a decent one, about £500 for quick browsing and basic task, nothing to demanding tho. Id be grateful for all suggestions, thank you very much geeks
Cantona007
31 Dec 16#172
That is a load of crap. Intel graphics have come along way in last few years. Yes they won't play latest games but games that 4 years old + the it should play them. Depending on the game graphics settings used performance will vary.
This will work fine for lot of 3D games (albeit various settings) just not latest ones or ones from lat 2-3 years.
DocRobotnik
31 Dec 16#173
Why would you buy this spec for usual everyday stuff?
Beau_Selecta
31 Dec 16#174
Does anyone know what happens if you need to get any repairs done under warranty? Does Ebuyer have the laptop picked up or do you have to send it post it at your expense?
willu
31 Dec 16#175
Wouldn't buy from Ebuyer, worst customer service ever, and I use the term losely!
Gadgeteer
31 Dec 16#176
Not a Sony so not interested.
only kidding, cracking deal for the specs.
androoski
31 Dec 16#177
I use several laptops, some are HD, some are (like the one I'm typing this one) 1366/768.
I really don't notice or worry about the display res difference. Both are fine.
Great deal, can only be heat added.
PCpolice
31 Dec 16#178
NO DVD or optical drive
jayd95
31 Dec 16#179
Not really a load of crap is it, at the end of the day if you want to do any kind of gaming you get a dedicated graphics card yes the integrated graphics have come a long way but what's the use in getting this for gaming when you have to pick and choose some 5 year old games that may work.
But the Lenovo yoga 510 is £349 and comes with a 1080p ips display that's my point, it costs the same amount but has a hugely better display, much better battery life, aluminium build same cpu performance.
Why compromise when you don't have to
jasee
31 Dec 16#182
And the additional cost is.....?
Gadgeteer
31 Dec 164#183
My new year's resolution is 1080
Destard
31 Dec 16#184
Please link me where I can buy that laptop at £250 please. I need two, so am interested. Thanks
Destard
31 Dec 16#185
Virgin Mobile and Yodel would like a word with you.
Cantona007
31 Dec 16#186
yes it is. You said onboard graphics cards only good to play 2D games which is a load of crap. Obviously onboard graphics can't hold a candle to dedicated cards but your claim that they are only good for 2D is flatout false.
willu
31 Dec 16#187
:stuck_out_tongue::p:p
plewis00
31 Dec 161#188
As much as I dislike HD displays, this is a lot of machine for the price and I could see buying this as a portable machine and combining it with a full HD monitor (24" for example) for another £80 or so for the home office. But I would agree it's a shame it doesn't have the full HD display built-in but then you could also complain about the lack of discrete graphics, always something to miss when buying to a price point.
DocRobotnik
31 Dec 161#189
It was a deal at VERY about a week ago that involved getting credit back. Great deal but it's done now.
DocRobotnik
31 Dec 16#190
500 can get you a lot these days. I'd recommended looking at review sites' end of year Top ten lists and lists based on specific usage types.
akashi
31 Dec 16#191
Everything is great about this laptop except the screen resolution is too low.
adamski88
31 Dec 16#192
People can't cope with 1080p for Internet browsing... Lol I've heard it all now. R u sure u work in IT?
So instead of zooming in or out, a resolution change is in order! Lol.
P. S. It seems that most people know more than u do!
adamski88
31 Dec 16#193
At that crappie resolution, it could probably run battlefield 1 on ultra settings!
jaydeeuk1
31 Dec 16#194
Great price but wouldn't buy from ebuyer. Got a nexus 5x a few months back, developed a fault, ebuyer made me go through LG (who were spot on imo) despite contract law saying its ebuyers responsibility. They just don't care. Don't they own AO as well with their dodge t's and c's.
westyuk1
31 Dec 16#195
I upgraded my mother's HP 15 Pavillion laptop a couple of weeks ago. Figured adding a 4GB RAM module and swapping in an SSD would take around 10 minutes plus the OS reinstall.
What a mistake I made... I had to pretty much disassemble the entire machine disconnecting the WIFI, motherboard and keyboard ribbons plus in excess of 20 screws. The chassis was so flimsy it felt like it was going to snap taking it apart. I couldn't believe they made it this difficult to make what should be a change anyone can make.
I would never let her buy a budget HP again. All that said, this is still a cheap deal for the spec as long as you never have to open it up.
jrw
31 Dec 161#196
As I said, you know best.
Spend a week doing a proper job and you'll see.
PS. Trolling isn't a job
adamski88
31 Dec 16#197
A job that works with computers for example?
HangTime
31 Dec 16#198
A couple of points in response to that:
1) Just because phones and tablets have higher resolution, it doesn't mean to say it is required. If a smartwatch came out with a 4k resolution that wouldn't render smaller screens obselete.
2) Text scaling is generally handled better on mobile devices; I have a 1080p 12.5" laptop and I find that it is slightly too high resolution for me (I haven't had inclination to mess about with DPI settings). I also have a 1366x768 15.6" laptop which I found to be adequate.
If you want to play 1920x1080 video then yes it could be a deal breaker but I wouldn't dismiss this one out of hand at this price point.
daudiamd
31 Dec 16#199
Excellent deal...
onlinejomaibwork
31 Dec 161#200
buy any brand but NOT HP, worst pc company in the world, unreliable, inferior, underperformed, crook and dishonest company, every laptop designed by HP have major design flow and it's overheating too much compared to other brand resulting gaurrented to be failed after warranty period finish, BTW I have 12 years of experience and working in IT and technology, and now working as technology support advisor, best of luck
theo00
31 Dec 16#201
It's got to 1833 heat??? for a 720p screen. Hell no! Even if it was £50, settling for low Res screen is pretty pointless. some people have low expectations :disappointed:
weeklycoconut
31 Dec 16#202
Bloody smashing!
jayd95
31 Dec 16#203
I'm not going to recommend integrated graphics for playing games, and they will not run any 3D games from the last 12 months only 2D that was my point.
To play any 3D games released in the last 2 years you need at least a gtx950m and even then it won't be a great experience.
jaques_kalis
31 Dec 16#204
Hot for being a laptop that's not Lenovo... These days ever laptop deal is Lenovo ...
stuartc73
1 Jan 17#205
Now back at £499
jimbobgooner
1 Jan 17#206
:disappointed: missed out
Destard
1 Jan 17#207
This comment is full of lies and slander.
Destard
1 Jan 171#208
I wish this site had a dislike button so I could spam it against your comment.
But instead I'm forced to add you to my ignore list, populated by people who seem to miss the actual purpose of this site.
Galacid
1 Jan 17#209
has this expired?
Galacid
1 Jan 171#210
can only see £499.97 now....
B_Marvel
1 Jan 17#211
Ugh why did I wait till I got back to buy this. Never seen a lappy with these specs at that price.
amour3k
1 Jan 17#212
WOW!, that's a massive jump!, in only 1 day?. :-(
amour3k
1 Jan 17#213
Similar Spec to the OP's now £500 Laptop can now be had here:
I wouldn't recommend either if your serious about gaming but again this isn't just for 2D games. Again as I have said multiple times that it will not run games from last 3ish years but anything older than the should be ok depending on games and settings used. You can play Arkham City on this at around console level FPS.
People who want to game at this level I don't think really actually care about framerates and quality graphics but as a casual thing it's ok.
Cantona007
1 Jan 17#216
Always used HP laptops and never had a problem.
Cozworth806
1 Jan 17#217
Kaby lake CPUs are meant to improve battery life significantly, but 1tb HDD rather than an ssd is a downer
aaran7
1 Jan 17#218
Any similar or better recommended for 13-14" screen?
Gers1969
1 Jan 17#219
Please check but I believe you can swap out the optical drive and put a HDD in its place. You'd need some hardware savvy or someone who knows what they are doing but then you'd have the boot up and operating speed of the SSD and the storage space of the HDD.
uk3g
1 Jan 17#220
What a scorcher. Its gone up in price now to £499 but I received an email from them this morning promoting the same deal and its not customer specific saving £149 in their January sale, so you might be able get it at £349 if you call them.
te721
1 Jan 17#221
Still have no idea how this deal got so hot but when posted the other week, when there was less competition around it didn't. Yes it's amazing deal but it is a duplicate post.
ds99
1 Jan 17#222
Has anyone managed to grab one for £350 today? I can only get it in the cart at £499 :disappointed:
daveevans
1 Jan 17#223
Missed it :smirk:
ds99
1 Jan 17#224
Damn it! - Would have been perfect to replace my parents 7yr old laptop. They wouldn't even know what 1080p was and they would want everything as big as possible anyway!
Immensity
1 Jan 17#225
220 comments and nearly a thousand people voted hot on this pushing it to over 1900 heat - amazing! Hope it helped some of you find a great spec machine for the money. Happy New Year folks this is expired for now!
amour3k
1 Jan 171#226
Either this:
Similar Spec to the OP's now £500 Laptop can now be had here:
This notable advice may also be worth baring in mind too?. :-)
silkystam
1 Jan 17#227
Avoid Ebuyer! I'll try sumarise. I bought a HP monitor to use for a new job (working from home) they supplied it with a Euro power lead & no UK lead in box. They sent me to HP (who explained that they should not of sent me direct to HP) HP confirmed UK model/should have UK lead. Several emails/calls later Ebuyer said they can collect monitor and send a new monitor to replace - but this will take 5 days to send new monitor out AFTER collecting the old monitor. I needed it asap to start work so this was unacceptable. I asked for just the lead to be sent from other stock (they refused to do so)
Safe to say I did not make a good impression on my new employers. I was fuming with Ebuyers 'customer service'
daveevans
1 Jan 17#228
Great. Thank you for your response. I will look into it :smiley:
fr0d0
1 Jan 17#229
This laptop is still available at laptops direct for £26 more including delivery if you can't collect. (Includes £19 discount for a one month subscription to Which? magazine.
I deal with laptops direct for business and always found them to be very good.
7777777
2 Jan 17#230
Come on.Just buy the bloody cable, get travel adapter or change the plug.Yes, it should be in the box .... But the box was sealed and there wasn't any. Things like this happen all the time, someone didn't check or the stock was moved from another country due to local shortages or just grey imported. Fixing this issue costs between 50p and £2... Good product, probably at good price and replacement was considered because of this ? Stuff made by Philips very often comes with EU plug, never thought about returning.
silkystam
2 Jan 17#231
I'm the customer, not the other way round. Sure, I accept these things can happen, as I explained I had a new job, and the new job meant I needed to answer the phone (regardless of if the computer was working, I had to take the calls) surely ebuyer should of just gone and bought one not the other way around? Why should I be running around after an error from them in which they couldn't or wouldn't fix? It was their lack of CS and professionalism that really got me. Ps Why would I have a European - UK travel adaptor?!
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Like many others I have been on the lookout for a good value laptop and surprised by all the large capacity but slow hard disk drives still around. Core i5, 256GB SSD and 8GB should make for great performance for general use.
Only thing missing is the full HD display but at £350 hard to find better for the money!
There's a same spec i7 version also on ebuyer @ £449 but not worth the extra £100 (28% price increase) for a relatively small real world performance increase in my opinion.
Full specs pasted below:
Processor
Intel® Core™ i5-6200U 2.3 GHz
Intel HD Graphics 520
Turbo boost up to 2.8 GHz
3 MB cache
2 cores
Memory
8GB DDR4-2133 SDRAM
2 SODIMM slots, non customer accessible/upgradeable (models with Intel® Core™ i7-6500U. i5-6200U, i3-5005U processors)
Hard Drive
256GB SSD M2 SATA3
Optical Drive
None
Software
Operating System: Windows 10 Home
Display
39.6 cm (15.6") diagonal anti-glare LED-backlit
Resolution: 1366 x 768
Graphics
Intel® HD Graphics 520
Audio
HD audio with DTS Studio Sound™
2 integrated stereo speakers
Support HP Noise Cancellation
Input Devices
Full-sized textured black island-style keyboard with numeric keypad
Networking
Integrated 10/100/1000 GbE
Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 802.11ac (1x1) WiFi
Bluetooth® 4.2 Combo with Wi-Di
Power Supply
ENERGY STAR® certified
45 W Smart AC adapter
3-cell, 31 Wh Li-ion
Dimensions
Width 38.43 cm
Depth 25.46 cm
Height 2.43 cm
Weight 1.96 kg
Interfaces
1 USB 3.0
2 USB 2.0
1 VGA
1 HDMI
1 headphone/microphone combo jack
1 AC power
1 RJ-45
1 multi-format digital media reader
Warranty / Misc
1 Year manufacturer Warranty
HP VGA camera
Top comments
Everything else is great, but it's all largely pointless if the screen looks like....
if you people keep spouting about having full HD at the same price... post the damn deals and stop moaning. it's really annoying.
We've just moved offices at work and I've installed 30 new machines with 30 new 23 inch 1080 screens. All but a few have had their screens 'made bigger', ie a lower resolution and horribly blurry much to the disgust of myself and my tech.. In my opinion you shouldn't be allowed anything but the native resolution but if you made 1080 mainstream at 15 inches the first thing most people would do is lower the resolution.
I have a 15 inch 4k laptop and on some apps it's truly horrible but I wouldn't change it!
This is a great deal for a great laptop which will suit the general public.
It's not a case of the display being "not the greatest" or "okay for light use" or any other 768p apologist nonsense people spout; 15.6" 1366x768 displays are horrible and anyone who's used a 15.6" 1080p (or above, though unlikely at anywhere near £350) display will know exactly what I mean.
Sure, it's not worth replacing a laptop you already have and are happy with just to upgrade from 768p to 1080p, but buying a new £300-400 laptop going into 2017 with a 768p display is absolute madness, in my opinion.
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Everything else is great, but it's all largely pointless if the screen looks like....
If my 170 quid chromebook has a Full HD screen they can afford to put it on 3-400+ laptops, its an absolute joke
Good specs tho for the price
All these people moaning it's not 1080 make me laugh, it wasn't many years ago that people were saying you don't need 1080p unless the TV is bigger than 32 inches but now it seems you need it from 3.2 inches. I know you sit closer to the screen with a laptop but really we don't all need 1080 for average use.
heat all the way from me.
ok the display isnt the greatest but unless your gonna want to use it for high end movies or photoshop editing its gonna be fast for usual every day stuff
Worth it - and GREAT FIRST POST! Have some heat.
Fair play. :-)
http://www.ebuyer.com/760636-hp-250-g5-i7-laptop-x0q77es-x0q77es-abu
their customer service is great in my opinion.
cannot fault em but obviously others had had different experiences
It's not a case of the display being "not the greatest" or "okay for light use" or any other 768p apologist nonsense people spout; 15.6" 1366x768 displays are horrible and anyone who's used a 15.6" 1080p (or above, though unlikely at anywhere near £350) display will know exactly what I mean.
Sure, it's not worth replacing a laptop you already have and are happy with just to upgrade from 768p to 1080p, but buying a new £300-400 laptop going into 2017 with a 768p display is absolute madness, in my opinion.
The rest of the specs look really good for £350 though.
Most people don't use ~100PPI displays at less than arms length for anything else, so why put up with it on laptops? Tablets and phones, even at the £300-400 price point, have equal or higher outright resolution and much higher PPI displays than 15.6" 768p laptops (or 1080p laptops, for that matter, but you're not getting better than 1080p on a laptop for anywhere near £350).
That aside, it's possible to buy decently spec'd 1080p display laptops in the £300-400 price bracket, so why settle for 768p and then have to put up with it whilst doing literally everything you ever do on your laptop?
You can go find a laptop with a full HD screen but if it's with an intel i5 processor, 8GB RAM and 256 GB SSD for less than even £500 I will take my hat off to you!
hot from me :wink:
cheers! :smiley: and happy new year guys/ladies!
When you consider that you probably use a 21.5" or 24" that is 1080p you get a very similar experience in terms of image quality.
For the price 768p is fine, obviously 1080p is nicer but you get what you pay for and the other specs are good for the price so for a lot of people its a good deal.
A lower resolution screen also has benefits such as less power usage and better performance so its not all bad.
Yes FullHD would be ideal but your not likely get it at this price with the same spec's.
Interesting that you can change the screen in 10 mins and hp don't do it .
You need to work for them ..good points made
We've just moved offices at work and I've installed 30 new machines with 30 new 23 inch 1080 screens. All but a few have had their screens 'made bigger', ie a lower resolution and horribly blurry much to the disgust of myself and my tech.. In my opinion you shouldn't be allowed anything but the native resolution but if you made 1080 mainstream at 15 inches the first thing most people would do is lower the resolution.
I have a 15 inch 4k laptop and on some apps it's truly horrible but I wouldn't change it!
This is a great deal for a great laptop which will suit the general public.
if you people keep spouting about having full HD at the same price... post the damn deals and stop moaning. it's really annoying.
For me the Lenovo 14" 2-in-1 for £349 at Currys with i3 and128gb ssd but 1080p screen is a better choice. People think i3 must be rubbish but it has a better cpubenchmark score than my gen 4 i7 in what was at the time a £750 laptop. I bought one for my Son and it's surprisingly quick so unless you 'need' an i5 latest gen i3s are plenty fast enough for everyday use. In fact just checked the cpubenchmarks and as I suspected the i5 in this and the i3 in the Lenovo are as near as damn it identical in performance (only 34 points difference which is negligible). People get too hung up on the i5 model thinking it's so above an i3 but it's all down to cpu models and a quick cpubenchmark check will tell you what you are getting.
My experience with low end HP laptops are that they are horrible, nasty keyboards and nasty looking/designed casing worse than other brands at the same price point and would never buy one again. High end such as the Spectre range are obviouly amazing bits of kit and where HP excel.
It's easy enough and cheap enough to stick a 256gb ssd in any modern laptop but I can appreciate those who don't care about a decent screen this is a decent spec budget laptop for the money.
It is not, obviously it is nicer to have one but again please post something with even close to this spec with one at this price.
Thanks op and don't be discouraged by the usual replies
Love to laugh at these deluded idiots so adamantly protesting against 1366x768 displays in 15.6''. Yes, your phone has better screen resolution.Yes, fullHD is better (often).
No, manufacturers will not change their minds because your cold votes and comments on hukd.
90% of the work is simply removing the plastic bezel round the screen. The guy in the video does it in under 10 minutes, but an amateur doing it for the first time might take a bit longer. :smiley:
Its a 6200u which is the exact same processor as the Core i3 6100U without the 2.3-2.6 turbo.
Its CPU score is :
Core i5 6200U: 3930
Core i3 6100U: 3896
I personally would take a core i3 with a full HD screen over this any day
and here is my link: http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-yoga-510-14-full-hd-2-1-with-faster-ssd-storage-349-currys-for-349-2585106?page=9#comments
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-250-g5-i5-6200u-2-3ghz-8gb-ddr4-256gb-ssd-laptop-x0q78es-349-99-ebuyer-2567410?p=29696327
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-15-ba042na-15-6-laptop-with-amd-a10-8gb-ram-2tb-hdd-dvdrw-black-tesco-for-299-2587623?p=29688008
For a sort of gaming experience it might fare better. good processor and low resolution (although watchable) means things could fly.
The resolution is the main thing that would stop me even considering it.(apart from touchscreen as i like that as well).
People may not be able to find a better deal they are just showing the pitfalls to anyone considering buying it, who may then regret purchasing it later.
When pong was talking OPTIONS i think he mean a I3 over a I5 but with a better screen. he was not saying he could beat the deal. I went for the lenovo deal in the end this year http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-yoga-510-14-full-hd-2-1-with-faster-ssd-storage-349-currys-for-349-2585106?utm_source=Thread%2BSubscription&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2585106&utm_campaign=Comment%2BUpdate
as far as i know the i5 is better than the i3 but not in a really dramatic way so worth dropping down processor wise to get the hd screen and touch.
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-pavilion-15-6-laptop-with-the-latest-7th-gen-intel-core-i5-processor-white-10151808-pdt.html
-quad core
-full hd
-2-5 mp webcam, (VGA Cam these days :confused: )
The SSD alone makes the biggest difference you will ever see on a pc and the screen is what you have to look at everyday so why not make it a good one
This one was available for £419 in the past I believe.
And less than £500 now, can i get your hat? :smile:
It's like a car that's got razor blades all over the steering wheel, the main interaction point is painful to use. Sure you might grin and bear it but the first time you use a steering wheel without razor blades you will never want to go back.
Add 100 GBP on for a new panel and you've still got a good price though, only sticking point is the battery capacity.
There's no excuse about a Full HD screen though, they cost a little bit more than 768p screens to manufacture as LCD is a constant quality and readily available. The fact that even a Hudl 2 and your phones have a Full HD screen in this day and age speaks volumes about the Laptop market.
For excell if you are doing very basic stuff that will also fit but i can have in the region of up to 20 columns (which even the hd screens will need scrolling) .
I have a 15.6" HP sleekbook with the same 768 resolution and it's great for videos and casual use, but once I need to do serious productivity work reading or creating word documents, excel sheets etc, it suffers badly. It's not about being snobbish here, this is a real drawback and the fact some people can live with or cope with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's not also complaining just for the sake of complaining, but enlightening those who may be less aware...... nonetheless, it's a fantastic deal for those who can accept the resolution!
Rizza
I ordered a laptop from Ebuyer never arrived and was stuck within delivery system it took a month to convince them I never received item.
Not the first time I have had a poor experience with this company.
games from a couple years back and newer ones on lower settings
Please see link iEimis has provided above for effectively the same spec machine with a full HD screen at £489.97 @laptopsdirect. Up to the individual if they think the extra £140 (40% increase) is worth it for the higher resolution but we do have a great comparison now.
These have terrible quality panels which do not give a good picture quality
If you move your head even slightly the colours change, it's very hard on your eyes and pretty unsatisfying to use
If you look at an old iPad 1, that had a 1024 res screen but nice quality, good viewing angles etc .. ok higher res screens around but at least it was good quality
Not the case with this, the screen is the most used feature yet one of the worst parts in the laptop. Think about it!
.. No
They all count at this level :stuck_out_tongue:
but you do that's the reality
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-g5-i5-6200u-8gb-256gb-ssd-fhd-455-41-bt-shop-2590335
Please do tell me how you're qualified.
I can count on one hand the times I've installed a new pc and not had to lower the resolution if it was a high resolution screen.
Conversely someone with a max budget of £350 is able to get a decent performing laptop
You have to think of these low priced deals as nothing more than attention grabbing deals for the average user and then ask whether you're an average user, if not don't buy it.
The argument of price is invalid as their have been many deals posted on here with a Full HD Panel for less than £400, the Lenovo Yoga 510 for instance, yes it has a smaller SSD but in return you get a thinner, lighter better quality laptop with a 1080p IPS display and much better battery life, surely people must be able to see the difference just walk into PCWorld and look at the displays of the laptops and justify to me its worth getting this over the Lenovo or just waiting until next week when there will be another great laptop deal with a 1080p display
Your not the first IT guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.
PC pureists can argue till the cows come home - but some other members of the public dont use their lappy for the same purposes as gaming and MUST have HD etc....
Keep up with the good postings!
As I said, I've got a 4k 15 inch screen so I know all about scale thanks.
That wins the thread
Real hardship get a grip
I've not got where I am today by listening to advice off forums like this and not knowing what I'm talking about.
As I say, I've worked with every spectrum of the population so I know what people want and what people like.
All people see is memory. Only have to watch currys adverts etc to see that. 'A massive 8gb of memory with a huge 2tb of storage just for £399'. They fail to mention the celeron processor or the 2 cell battery but people aren't interested. Ask anyone who doesn't know about computers, ask them the spec and the first thing they'll tell you even if they know at all is 'the memory' which is all encompassing of ram and hard drive.
It's why ssd drives aren't that mainstream because people see them as storage rather than speed so therfore a 1tb mechanical drive is more appealing than a 256gb ssd because it stores more.
Ciao!
Now stop your complaining and give up whinging for the new year
Past 2 jobs I've been in, probably even 3 jobs so 6-7 years all companies have had 1080p screens. Even at uni they had 1080p screens!
Plus, people love higher resolution screens. Screen quality is often a deciding factor when buying a new monitor, TV, tablet, phone, laptop... Resolution is one of the most talked about parts.
I have a surface and the resolution is amazing at 13.3 inches.. 1080p at 15 inches looks bad.
Im sorry but the only reason people dont understand the difference between 1366x768 and 1920x1080 is because they are both referred to as HD, back when tv's where HD ready and Full HD most people didn't understand the difference and still dont it has nothing to do with people preferring larger images, you take anybody into pcworld and show them a 1366x768TN panel laptop and compare it to a 1920x1080 IPS display and you're telling me they will prefer the former because its a bit bigger........
The "i5" 6200U found in this is 81% slower than a "real i5" 6th Gen 6500 CPU - its only 7% faster than a pentium G4400 CPU.
The RAM & SSD is unbranded.
Plug it into a Full HD screen and it will output 1080P.
It is a pretty poor laptop but at £350 its a reasonable price, just don't expect it to be quick or upgradable so treat it as a "throwaway".
But anyway, you clearly know way more than I do, so you carry on trolling your tripe on here.
And yes most people prefer the former when reading text on a display. I don't. I didn't say I did. I'm simply saying that most people can't cope with 1080 or higher on a computer screen when used for work, Internet browsing or reading. Simple fact.
I doubt you even give people the chance to choose a screen when you are doing work in IT or perhaps you did and 99% said they preferred the low res screens blocky letters . Unfortunately I don't believe you your statistic compared to my statistic that had some real world logic to them.
As soon as they sat at their new desks the first thing they all complained about was the text being ' too small'.
I've used and supported every monitor going. Only people that used them properly were at my old job if the graphic design and planning department. I would never change a monitor resolution from the native. It annoys me intensely and I can't fathom how people work with them. But they do, as I keep saying.
Anyway, I know nothing about real world logic apparently so I will bow down to your Gospel advice and belief that people actually have a clue what they're looking for when buying a laptop when they don't know the first thing about computers.
It's a basic marketing ploy to bump up the numbers of the cheapest components and make your product sound better. Because they know most people don't know that much about the product they are buying, so they use numbers and key components they know about to sell. It's like Beauty product using, % of people agreeing to sell their product.
Im not saying you dont prefer higher resolutions im just saying that most normal people dont understand the difference between 1366x768 and 1920x1080 it is not a fact that they prefer lower resolutions because it looks bigger. Like i have said if you took a group of people into Pcworld and showed them the display on this laptop which ive seen in person and its towards the very bad end of terrible displays then showed them a Full HD IPS panel on another laptop theres no way they would choose this display.
Its all about educating the buyer, they dont know the difference but if they did they would appreciate it, you have a 15 inch 4k display which i bet you dont use without windows scaling?, if the average consumer knew like you and i do about good quality IPS displays and the ability to use scaling properly they would never buy a 1366x768 display again and we would finally force manufacturers to include them as standard
I think older people just need glasses, and younger people need to be shown quality displays, the number of poorer families who just accept the worst computers is saddening. Thankfully when even a £50 tablet and £100 TV have IPS 1080p displays they'll get exposure eventually.
All the multinational companies I've visited as a consultant have had at least one high resolution display but it's common to see 2-4 displays teamed together.
Saying that the custom applications only manage a lower resolution indicates poor development or lack of updates.
You can call my comments trolling if you wish but I'm putting forward my professional experience of working with various organisations. The multinationals I elude to are law firms, financial institutions, Transportation companies, government and NGO (UN) and I've consulted on communications and security.
They don't usually need the external setup support you're talking about due to vast in house IT teams.
Regarding the laptop, my view is its a decent spec for the price but the Yoga sounds more tempting because it's a little different to a standard laptop
http://www.very.co.uk/acer-aspire-e-15-intelreg-coretrade-i3-processor-8gb-ddr4-ram-1tb-hard-drive-156-inch-full-hd-laptop-with-intelreg-iristrade-graphics-ndash-white/1600128309.prd?_requestid=92318
There's also this one with better CPU and graphics card for £420 but is it worth it for £90 more? I want to.do some light gaming on it
http://www.very.co.uk/acer-aspire-e-15-intelreg-coretrade-i5-processor-8gb-ddr4-ram-1tb-hard-drive-156-inch-full-hd-laptop-with-intelreg-iristrade-graphics-and-optional-microsft-office-365-white/1600128296.prd?_requestid=92318
I posted a deal yesterday for an ultrabook Core i3, 128gb ssd, full hd ips display and 11 hours battery. Gets great reviews too.
I think of it like this if i need to store large volumes of files i just put them on a external usb 3.0 hard drive a low capacity SSD is fine for everything except gaming
The SSD is the star here, and the first and only upgrade I fitted to mine when new. My OH has a similar specced HP consumer laptop to my probook (the probook is technically a business class 1 year throw away machine) however her's still has the stock 5400rpm HDD and I find it almost painful to use.
Heated.
1:/ post a laptop deal with 768x1366 resolution
2:/ wait 6.24seconds for first comment on the resolution
3:/ sit back and watch the bun fight explode as keyboard warriors, self appointed IT experts and random troll baiters join in.
Well done OP, for a first post you've done very well in completing lesson 15b at HUKD. :smile:
£349.98
Not really.... just thought it might give the screen haters something else to moan about....
Heated OP.
Voting it cold or telling people not to buy it because you would rather spend more on something nicer/better is like saying no one should buy any budget-mid range cars because the Porsche and Ferraris are nicer. Yes they are, but not everyone wants to pay a premium for the best features.
This will work fine for lot of 3D games (albeit various settings) just not latest ones or ones from lat 2-3 years.
only kidding, cracking deal for the specs.
I really don't notice or worry about the display res difference. Both are fine.
Great deal, can only be heat added.
http://www.ebuyer.com/760637-hp-250-g5-i5-laptop-x0q78es-x0q78es-abu
Why compromise when you don't have to
So instead of zooming in or out, a resolution change is in order! Lol.
P. S. It seems that most people know more than u do!
What a mistake I made... I had to pretty much disassemble the entire machine disconnecting the WIFI, motherboard and keyboard ribbons plus in excess of 20 screws. The chassis was so flimsy it felt like it was going to snap taking it apart. I couldn't believe they made it this difficult to make what should be a change anyone can make.
I would never let her buy a budget HP again. All that said, this is still a cheap deal for the spec as long as you never have to open it up.
Spend a week doing a proper job and you'll see.
PS. Trolling isn't a job
1) Just because phones and tablets have higher resolution, it doesn't mean to say it is required. If a smartwatch came out with a 4k resolution that wouldn't render smaller screens obselete.
2) Text scaling is generally handled better on mobile devices; I have a 1080p 12.5" laptop and I find that it is slightly too high resolution for me (I haven't had inclination to mess about with DPI settings). I also have a 1366x768 15.6" laptop which I found to be adequate.
If you want to play 1920x1080 video then yes it could be a deal breaker but I wouldn't dismiss this one out of hand at this price point.
To play any 3D games released in the last 2 years you need at least a gtx950m and even then it won't be a great experience.
But instead I'm forced to add you to my ignore list, populated by people who seem to miss the actual purpose of this site.
ASUS X556UA Laptop, Intel Core i7, 8GB RAM, 1TB, 15.6" Full HD, Black, for £499.95, at John Lewis
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/asus-x556ua-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-ram-1tb-15-6-full-hd-black-for-499-95-john-2568792
If anyone's interested?
People who want to game at this level I don't think really actually care about framerates and quality graphics but as a casual thing it's ok.
Either this:
Similar Spec to the OP's now £500 Laptop can now be had here:
ASUS X556UA Laptop, Intel Core i7, 8GB RAM, 1TB, 15.6" Full HD, Black, for £499.95, at John Lewis
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/asus-x556ua-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-ram-1tb-15-6-full-hd-black-for-499-95-john-2568792
If anyone's interested?
OR:
This notable advice may also be worth baring in mind too?. :-)
Safe to say I did not make a good impression on my new employers. I was fuming with Ebuyers 'customer service'
http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/hp-250-g5-core-i5-6200u-8gb-256gb-ssd-dvd-rw-15.6-inch-windows-10-laptop-x0q78es/version.asp
I deal with laptops direct for business and always found them to be very good.
gone up £20 though to £369.98