Cheap motoring can be driven on a full uk car licence and if you passed before 2001 you are classed as having a full moped licence so can also carry a passenger. I do a 28 mile round trip 5 days a week (total 140 miles) for less than £8 in fuel, that is still cheaper than 1 days bus fare.
With fresh new aesthetics and a higher technical specification than its predecessors, the all-new ‘City Plus’ has been designed for riders of all ages who want a smart modern scooter for work, college or leisure.
The City Plus is powered by KYMCO’s ultra-efficient, and reliable, 2-stroke 50cc engine, which compared to 4-stroke models gives the scooter improved acceleration and performance off the mark. This makes it an attractive choice for riders looking for a spritely but economical scooter, with the City Plus able to achieve in excess of 100 miles per gallon.
For rider safety, KYMCO has given the City Plus a new 14” rear wheel and a longer suspension for increased stability when navigating around bumpy, busy roads. The saddle has also been ergonomically redesigned for comfort and to facilitate increased storage under the seat. New folding footrests have been added too.
A nice practical new feature is the fuel cap being positioned on the front of the City Plus to make refuelling the 7 litre capacity tank even easier. There is also a useful 12 Volt accessory outlet for charging mobile devices, lockable under seat storage and updated digital instrumentation panel.
With new LED lights, a more angular design that is accentuated by the light matt blue / black colourway and aluminium rims, the City Plus has been cleverly redesigned by KYMCO, to reflect the needs of modern town and city riders – performance, style and practicality.
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Zontes to Tyranicus66
10 Dec 166#30
And a 17 year old can pass their car test and drive a fecking Ferrari!!! If daddy is a rich ****.
Also are you going to ban all cyclists? So much pish spouted on this forum by people who know diddly squat about feck all.
POWYSWALES to esq3585
10 Dec 165#5
Not if you passed your car test before 2001. If you passed after 2001 then you need to sit a cbt to validate the moped part of your car licence, this will then give you full moped entitlement, no L plates required and you can carry a pillion.
If you do not have a car licence then it is sit a cbt, you then must display L plates till you pass a test and you are not allowed to carry a pillion.
POWYSWALES
10 Dec 165#8
If your budget is a little tighter they also do this agility for £1199. Not as nice but a very reliable and economical 4 stroke gy6 engine, as used and made for Honda equivalent. This was my last commuter for 6 years and never let me down. http://www.kymco.co.uk/kymco/new/bikes/Scooters/2013agility50.htm#.WEwmyb2nzMI
Kymco aren't a non brand at all. They're very popular mopeds/scooters and have been around a few years. One of the better brands around, and they've worked with both Kawasaki and BMW.
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esq3585
10 Dec 16#1
Are you sure you still don't have to do a CBT before you ride this ?
POWYSWALES to esq3585
10 Dec 165#5
Not if you passed your car test before 2001. If you passed after 2001 then you need to sit a cbt to validate the moped part of your car licence, this will then give you full moped entitlement, no L plates required and you can carry a pillion.
If you do not have a car licence then it is sit a cbt, you then must display L plates till you pass a test and you are not allowed to carry a pillion.
tehwabbit to esq3585
10 Dec 16#6
If you passed post 2001 you do. Stupid really as anyone before this can hop on a bike with no training at all, yet everyone else has to take a test!
djlondon22 to esq3585
10 Dec 161#15
because it's 50cc no CBT PROVIDED you past your
emiratesstadium
10 Dec 16#2
never heard of the Make but I think I'd rather pay an extra few hundred for Peugeot, Piaggio or Honda.
emiratesstadium to emiratesstadium
10 Dec 16#3
Having said that, reviews for the Make seem average so better than the Chinese crap you get.
POWYSWALES to emiratesstadium
10 Dec 163#7
Peugeot and piaggio are now made in China, Kymco are Taiwanese and is one of the last few quality moped manufacturers.
Zontes to emiratesstadium
10 Dec 163#20
Hey man, you obviously know absolutely hee haw about bikes. Kymco are well respected. Been riding bikes for well over 40 years and I would have no problem buying this make. Most, if not all, of the bike manufactures you mentioned have their bikes made in China.
Edit. Feck all wrong with Chinese bikes as well. I have one, check my username, cost me 800 quid brand new and has never missed a beat. I use it on crappy days when I don't want my main bike to get manky.
andyb83
10 Dec 16#4
You 100% have to have a CBT to ride a moped, no matter if you have a full UK driving license or not. And I'm sure you can't carry a passenger either.
POWYSWALES
10 Dec 165#8
If your budget is a little tighter they also do this agility for £1199. Not as nice but a very reliable and economical 4 stroke gy6 engine, as used and made for Honda equivalent. This was my last commuter for 6 years and never let me down. http://www.kymco.co.uk/kymco/new/bikes/Scooters/2013agility50.htm#.WEwmyb2nzMI
Maybe some are but the standard of motorcycle is better. Predominantly they are made in France and Italy.
When I say Chinese scooters I'm talking about the no named build it yourself ones.
mas99
10 Dec 161#10
Frankly, you would be stupid to ride anything without doing at least CBT.
I also think you would have to be mad to use a 50cc they are so slow that they are dangerous. And as to using one to carry a pillion...
bruntz2016
10 Dec 16#11
If you passed car test before Feb 2001 no cbt needed.but why you would want to carry a passenger on a 50cc moped is beyond me.just take full a1 license and get a yamaha r1 like me.
KM4353
10 Dec 164#12
These are mainly for drug dealing chavs who can't afford to buy a car.
evilcod 2009
10 Dec 162#13
I have a kymco like 125 and use it every day brilliant on fuel and had no problems since having it 2 years ago quality bike
nicewidger
10 Dec 16#14
Mmmm may buy me self one for xmas
bma1445
10 Dec 162#16
Better off with a Sinnis Max 2 - another Chinese make made up mostly of Yamaha and Suzuki parks (the engine is a Suzuki).
125cc, 5 gears (manual) - and can be had for £1149 OTR with a 2 year warranty. I've done 300km in mine so far and I've put £4 of petrol in, also since I normally spend around £10 a week parking (gotta love Southend) it'll pay for itself in a couple of years!
Sure, it's not as fun as my little abarth, but around town it's far more practical! Plus it's 4 stroke not 2, so less faffing around.
bma1445
10 Dec 162#17
You can't carry a pillion anyway, not even with a cbt - you need a proper test for that.
TBH, having done my cbt recently, it's a bit of a waste of time if you don't need one - save yourself £100 and spend a day in a car park practicing manouvers and emergency stops - be far more useful than paying someone to tell you what road signs are and tell you what lanes to be in.
Bendown
10 Dec 16#18
Any cheap trail type bikes that have a bit of hump to them?
wanderer
10 Dec 163#19
i only done my cbt for a 125 and can say yeah you think its a waste of time but having that few hours of someone telling you your position could be the thing that saves you being swiped off the road , personally for new riders its ideal me with full car lorry and a bus licence it felt stupid for a 125 but i did learn a couple of things
btw pre 2001 licence holders can have a pillion on a 50 but why would you on a 50
joedastudd
10 Dec 161#21
It's expensive for an non brand (they are the better of the mainland Asian brands but that's not much).
2 stroke vs 4 stroke is a stupid point as it will be limited to 28mph if you plan on keeping it stock and riding it on the am licence.
Plus 2 stroke engines need more maintenance and oil.
For the money your better off getting a used Jap 125 take a moped anywhere other then a 30 or below zone and it's dangerous as hell as you have no wiggle room to get out of trouble and traffic will be constantly tail gating you and trying to pass.
phatgesus
10 Dec 161#22
dont forget the price of a helmet , clothing , tax and insurance.......
blue1971
10 Dec 16#23
I could do with one of these,driving out of Cheadle every team time is an absolute ball ache
smokingplunger
10 Dec 164#24
Kymco aren't a non brand at all. They're very popular mopeds/scooters and have been around a few years. One of the better brands around, and they've worked with both Kawasaki and BMW.
Rona7do
10 Dec 161#25
I had to take the CBT in order to legally ride my 125 that I bought and to be honest it was a bit of a waste of time and more importantly money for me.
I say that being a full car license holder though and it really is a money making exercise. I do however understand the need If you have never rode on public roads before.
Cheap way to get about though after you budget for clothing/helmet and the like.
Zontes
10 Dec 161#26
Yep, the guy's post is total ****. No idea what he is talking about!
Tyranicus66
10 Dec 161#27
All Moped's are useless, dangerous toys and should be banned. At least on a proper bike you have the grunt to get out of trouble if need's be.
It seems perverse that as a society we encourage the least experienced riders to use the most dangerous machines. (For the record I have an 850cc Moto Guzzi)
Zontes to Tyranicus66
10 Dec 166#30
And a 17 year old can pass their car test and drive a fecking Ferrari!!! If daddy is a rich ****.
Also are you going to ban all cyclists? So much pish spouted on this forum by people who know diddly squat about feck all.
glam1 to Tyranicus66
10 Dec 162#37
Ban em all...it's not like many people use them to great effect in countries all over the world;-))
I ride a Guzzi too but will always wave at scooter riders!
Zontes
10 Dec 161#28
How many Chinese bikes have you owned? BTW.
markpj777
10 Dec 16#29
Even if you have a car licence before 2001 I would recommend doing some basic training at a motorcycle school. They will teach you how to ride a bike and how to stay alive on the road.
Tyranicus66
10 Dec 16#31
Which will have more safety features than any bike ever....
Zontes
10 Dec 161#32
Not if the fecking plonker drives into me and my family at 150 MPH. You dick.
Would you let a kid get on your Guzzi? I doubt it as he/she would not be able to handle it. Same with a car. New drivers should be restricted regarding horse power, just like young bikers.
emiratesstadium
10 Dec 161#33
This guy obviously has a chip on his shoulder.
Another moron that will get suspended.
Bendown
10 Dec 16#34
It is not the vehicle that kills, the amount of mad barstools that race past me on motor cycles and cars, i can understand why they end up in the morgue. Some people are crazy and it does not matter whether they are on a bike or car, they are destined to be in an accident
emiratesstadium
10 Dec 16#35
Well done for editing D*** head at the end.
Zontes
10 Dec 162#36
What a well considered response. Fecking eejit. I'll now sod off before you report me to daddy at HUKD to get me banned. Get a life, and grow up. Bye.:stuck_out_tongue:
xNuSeNsE
10 Dec 16#38
Good deal, but 30 mph max! That would just #*#* me off. Perfect if you're just in the city or something though.
POWYSWALES
10 Dec 16#39
But he Does, Kymco have manufactured many parts for BMW including engines.
trevcjohnson
10 Dec 16#40
No real need for CBT unless you have to, anyone who can ride a push bike could ride a 50cc twist and go moped and if you have a full license taken before 2001 you will be more than capable of using this safely on the road.
dave80
10 Dec 162#41
Believe it or not there are people who hold a full car licence who have no idea what they are doing once they sit on a motorbike. CBT exists for a reason.
dave80
10 Dec 16#42
Have to agree with you there. I moved a moped about 5 miles for somebody who had not yet done their CBT and it was close to terrifying (I rode a YBR125 at the time).
Zontes
10 Dec 161#43
Think you misunderstood my post. I was agreeing with it.
liamwill83
10 Dec 16#44
Not a complete waste of time in my opinion, the 'lifesaver head turn' has probably saved my bacon more than once.
Zontes
10 Dec 16#45
I do it when driving my car as well. My wife thought I had a nervous twitch when she first saw me doing it in the car some 35 plus years ago. This has been a well known tip for bikers for years.
dave80
10 Dec 16#46
My driving instructor told me off for doing it (I rode a bike first). Funny thing is, even in the car it can save you from some minor incidents here and there, not a bad thing at all.
Zontes
10 Dec 161#47
That is amazing. Many, not all, driving instructors nowadays seem only interested in getting the learner to pass the test, rather than learning to drive. The lifesaver head turn should be taught to car learners as well.
shadthehat
10 Dec 162#48
Good brand, I had Kymco 125 as a commuting bike around five years ago. Bought it new, used it solidly for a few years, then sold it before it's first MOT. Kept it serviced under the warranty, and it ran beautifully. Really enjoyed having it. Would seriously consider buying another if I took a job with a similar 20mile daily round trip.
Get good quality helmet and clothes. I consider myself a sensible road user, but mine did scare me in wet road conditions.
markymark34
10 Dec 16#49
Agree. These things are lethal. Having had the misfortune to try one when I owned a proper bike (triumph sprint) I assumed these would be OK. They are not. They are extremely dangerous.
Tyranicus66
10 Dec 161#50
You seem like quite an angry chap and not all that intelligent, i reach my conclusion based on your unwarrented aggression and insults.
My overiding point was that mopeds are dangerously underpowered just as the ferrari in you silly example is dangerously overpowered.
We do not actively promote hyper cars to 17 year olds.
joedastudd
10 Dec 16#51
The same plants which make Japanese bikes make parts or bikes for other manufacturers.
The difference is the quality control, specifications and the after sales support.
It's like how most baked beans are made in the same factories using pretty much the same ingredients but the end product can have different taste, texture and different consistently between batches.
As they are relatively unknown the resale value drops like crazy.
The moment you drive it off the court you'll be lucky to get more then £1k for it.
Add a few miles and resale after a few years your looking at around £500.
As they are relatively new to the UK the after sales is hit and miss depending on where your based.
ynyswen
10 Dec 163#52
Kymco is a respectable name and a brilliant bike if you're on a budget.
MrSweeney
10 Dec 16#53
"ultra efficient and reliable 2-stroke" lmao. No such thing as a reliable 2 stroke.
They are a pain in the ****, have had tons of them over the years. They are awesome for power to weight ratio but that comes at the cost of reliability.
POWYSWALES
10 Dec 161#54
But unless you keep on top of the valve clearances on a four stroke then there is not much difference in reliability, both engines are capable of 50,000 miles if looked after.
Zontes
10 Dec 161#55
Spelling and grammar have let you down. Sorry, intelligence is something you lack.
Zontes
10 Dec 163#56
Really enjoying this as TV is crap tonight. Bit of a challenge as I am half cut, but still on top of the eeejits who spout pish.
SCOUSEKEVIN
10 Dec 16#57
I passed my test in a Mini, then I bought my first motor bike a Suzuki 250 cc, full driving license, 18 Years old in London, L plate on the bike. Luckily I was sensible, saved a fortune in petrol, and hours of time in all the traffic queues (1977).
The wee coffee grinders I see on the road now are ideal for beginners.
Tyranicus66
10 Dec 16#58
pretty weak comeback. been writing this on my phone in the pub
toiletseatlicker
10 Dec 16#59
Half time on the boxing so I thought I'd see what's going on here......actually more entertaining here ......least till the Chisora fight that is!
AstalaVista
10 Dec 16#60
Is there a need for insurance?
gorgo2015
10 Dec 163#61
Guys if you know nothing about mopeds, please shut up. I lived more than 20 years in Italy (80s and 90s) and Kymco have a better reputation than modern Piaggio. Of course classic Piaggio were a completely different story. Whoever says 2 stroke are not reliable is simply an idiot. I prefer 4 stroke but 2 stroke are better for short and fast journeys, whereas 4 stroke are cheaper to run. On a flat road I'd go for a 4 stroke. When I lived in Italy I had to use a 2 stroke because towns and cities are built on hills or mountains. I'm not sure if I'd ride a moped on UK as motorists have no respect for two wheels and they think it's legit to run them over. Surely I wouldn't feel comfortable knowing some sad gits on this thread have a car!
MonkeysUncle
10 Dec 16#62
Most Chinese mopeds can be easily de restricted anyway can't they? I know when my stepdaughter had hers I just opened top of crab to get to the jet, and took a washer off. 10min job tops. It went from 30mph limited to about 55mph flats out. That was a 4stroke mind you.
scott_safc
10 Dec 16#63
CBT for above 50cc. Personally wouldn't have a 50cc, but previously owned a 125cc Yamaha scooter and it was class! Get up to 90mph out of it :sunglasses:
dave80
10 Dec 16#64
Yes.
dave80
10 Dec 161#65
In this case it would no longer fit the legal (licence) definition of a moped, so the rider could then be riding without a valid licence, which would invalidate their insurance. Much better in the long run to just get a 125cc! If that can't be done because the rider is not yet 17, it's probably doubly unwise to derestrict them.
ktm666
10 Dec 161#66
I don't get these comments about 2 strokes being unreliable.......! Having raced both 2 and 4 stroke off road bikes, reliability is similar, the advantage of a 2 stroke being that the engine rebuild cost are tiny to that of a 4 stroke given it's basically 1/2 the engine!
Personally, this seems a really good deal, especially if you're living in a city and looking to use it to commute every day and run it into the ground. Much cheaper that public transport as the OP has pointed out.
I agree with some comments about mopeds being dangerous, although I'd suggest that this really only applies to open roads etc. Going through a city, it's no more dangerous than a push bike
0scar222
10 Dec 161#67
That makes it ok for 17 yo Ferrari driver does it !
So can safely wipe out some family with it
This is the problem now 17 yo nutters are in car,s now
Tyranicus66
10 Dec 16#68
Talk about jumping to conclusions. Your logic is profoundly flawed.
Rusty82
10 Dec 161#69
You are 100% incorrect. Well done.
Rusty82
10 Dec 162#70
I have a motorcycle licence and have ridden all sorts of bikes in my time but some of the most fun I've ever had was as a 16 year old on my 50, which once unrestricted easily hit 50+ which is great if you're nipping about a town or city. This is ridiculously cheap and Kymco have been around for a long long time, hot deal!
On the argument of CBT, even if someone has a car licence and is able to drive this I would still urge them to complete the CBT because having a car licence really does not mean you can ride two wheels.
To name a few differences, road positioning, cornering and the correct looks really need to be drummed home if you want to stay alive on two wheels. All of which are different to driving a car.
dealchaser888
10 Dec 161#71
sorry to interrupt, I think there is a mixed concept - Taiwan is not Chinese Mainland (that is PRC). Taiwanese have different life style and industry standard ( Just my 50 cents). I do know Taiwan has a long history of making scooters and Taiwanese drives their scooters daily in town and villages, it is their life style.
Thanks and I don't want to compare Taiwan make or Chinese make scooter which is better, just want to point this out.
I understand there are loads of Chinese scooter (in much lower price range) flooding the market in the last few years. For myself, I would definitely buy a Taiwanese scooter over Chinese make for all sort of practical reasons.
Antix70
10 Dec 16#72
Just out of interest can someone bring me up tp date about 125's? I've had a ful car licence since the late 1980's and I think it used to be that I was allowed to ride upto a 125 on L plates for two years.
louiearch9309
11 Dec 161#73
Kymco have it down on quadbikes so surely normal bikes are just as good
TesseractOrion
11 Dec 16#74
Rode Kymco (and other makes') quad bikes in New Zealand on farms and in bonkers off-road rallies (with kids aged in single figures taking part!)... now THEY are lethal for beginners, so unstable on hilly terrain. Accident figures are appalling, a record in NZ this year. Roll bars aren't mandatory so crush deaths predominate. I've seen people ride with their entire families (5 ppl) on one, without helmets :confused:
Having said that, Kymco are tuff and reliable in NZ's muddy and rain sodden farming conditions.
Hammondhammond
11 Dec 16#75
CBT is cognitive behavioural therapy?
Rusty82
11 Dec 16#76
I thought it was some sort of torture
FellowPazzini
11 Dec 16#77
I'm not sure how much of a deal this actually is as it still seems expensive for a 50cc but I will say I wouldn't recommend a 16 year old buying one at this price as you'll probably be selling it in a year time for a 125cc.
My son has just bought a 2 year old Bennelli 49x for £400 and it's been great and we'll probably get that back next year when sold too. Luck of the draw on getting used bike with no issues but hey, at least it's somewhere to start on basic mechanics etc.
joedastudd
11 Dec 161#78
For anything over 50 or 50cc and under doing more then 28 mph you need a motorcycle licence.
Up to 125 is legal learner which means as long as you have a car or provisional licence, are 17 or over and have a valid cbt certificate you can get ride up to a 125, the other l plates and with a few restrictions.
Cbt costs about £100, takes about 8hours and is valid for two years.
Anyone who passed there car test after 2001 the cbt gives them the AM (moped) licence permanently.
50ccs are limited to 28mph where as 125 have no limit outside the A1 engine spec most will do 60mph+ some of the high end ones 70mph+
Makes a hell of a lot of different if your ever planning on using roads faster then 30mph
bma1445
11 Dec 161#79
I agree to a point - I'd like to see 50cc bikes restricted to 30mph zones.
Mine's only a 125cc - but if needed you can drop a gear or 2 and floor it. If you're doing 30 on a 50cc moped and need to speed up in a hurry you don't stand a chance.
bma1445
11 Dec 16#80
As a comparison, my Sinnis Max II 125cc tops out at around 68ish mph.
Peew971
11 Dec 16#81
Looks pretty good :smiley:
MonkeysUncle
11 Dec 16#82
No problem, I didn't realise the kymco is Taiwanese, I was just pointing out that most mopeds are easy to de-restrict.
All I do know is that Chinese one she had was shoddy build quality, I had to re wire the indicator switch, and light switch after a month or so.
dealchaser888
11 Dec 16#83
thanks and I just try to point this out as a lot of people would confused by that.
All I could say beware goods from Chinese PRC, some of them have no quality control at all, they just pouring and flooding the market to confuse customers so to gain maximum profits without any conscious in their mind eg 'catching fire' toys.
0scar222
11 Dec 16#84
Sorry if you see its flawed to think 17 yo in Ferrari cocooned in there safety cell
Showing off to friends and girl friends , dont have to be in flash car to danger to every one
I started on 50 cc 250 cc then Z 900 and learned respect safety also only person at great risk was myself
So dont think its bad idea for car drivers to see what its like to be vulnerable on motor cycle
gorgo2015
11 Dec 16#85
Kymco used to be a factory making parts for Honda. They have been around since 1963. They have assistance points practically everywhere in the world. I put them at the same level as Peugeot scooters and probably better than Piaggio, the latter being more stylish.
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With fresh new aesthetics and a higher technical specification than its predecessors, the all-new ‘City Plus’ has been designed for riders of all ages who want a smart modern scooter for work, college or leisure.
The City Plus is powered by KYMCO’s ultra-efficient, and reliable, 2-stroke 50cc engine, which compared to 4-stroke models gives the scooter improved acceleration and performance off the mark. This makes it an attractive choice for riders looking for a spritely but economical scooter, with the City Plus able to achieve in excess of 100 miles per gallon.
For rider safety, KYMCO has given the City Plus a new 14” rear wheel and a longer suspension for increased stability when navigating around bumpy, busy roads. The saddle has also been ergonomically redesigned for comfort and to facilitate increased storage under the seat. New folding footrests have been added too.
A nice practical new feature is the fuel cap being positioned on the front of the City Plus to make refuelling the 7 litre capacity tank even easier. There is also a useful 12 Volt accessory outlet for charging mobile devices, lockable under seat storage and updated digital instrumentation panel.
With new LED lights, a more angular design that is accentuated by the light matt blue / black colourway and aluminium rims, the City Plus has been cleverly redesigned by KYMCO, to reflect the needs of modern town and city riders – performance, style and practicality.
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Also are you going to ban all cyclists? So much pish spouted on this forum by people who know diddly squat about feck all.
If you do not have a car licence then it is sit a cbt, you then must display L plates till you pass a test and you are not allowed to carry a pillion.
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If you do not have a car licence then it is sit a cbt, you then must display L plates till you pass a test and you are not allowed to carry a pillion.
Edit. Feck all wrong with Chinese bikes as well. I have one, check my username, cost me 800 quid brand new and has never missed a beat. I use it on crappy days when I don't want my main bike to get manky.
When I say Chinese scooters I'm talking about the no named build it yourself ones.
I also think you would have to be mad to use a 50cc they are so slow that they are dangerous. And as to using one to carry a pillion...
125cc, 5 gears (manual) - and can be had for £1149 OTR with a 2 year warranty. I've done 300km in mine so far and I've put £4 of petrol in, also since I normally spend around £10 a week parking (gotta love Southend) it'll pay for itself in a couple of years!
Sure, it's not as fun as my little abarth, but around town it's far more practical! Plus it's 4 stroke not 2, so less faffing around.
TBH, having done my cbt recently, it's a bit of a waste of time if you don't need one - save yourself £100 and spend a day in a car park practicing manouvers and emergency stops - be far more useful than paying someone to tell you what road signs are and tell you what lanes to be in.
btw pre 2001 licence holders can have a pillion on a 50 but why would you on a 50
2 stroke vs 4 stroke is a stupid point as it will be limited to 28mph if you plan on keeping it stock and riding it on the am licence.
Plus 2 stroke engines need more maintenance and oil.
For the money your better off getting a used Jap 125 take a moped anywhere other then a 30 or below zone and it's dangerous as hell as you have no wiggle room to get out of trouble and traffic will be constantly tail gating you and trying to pass.
I say that being a full car license holder though and it really is a money making exercise. I do however understand the need If you have never rode on public roads before.
Cheap way to get about though after you budget for clothing/helmet and the like.
It seems perverse that as a society we encourage the least experienced riders to use the most dangerous machines. (For the record I have an 850cc Moto Guzzi)
Also are you going to ban all cyclists? So much pish spouted on this forum by people who know diddly squat about feck all.
I ride a Guzzi too but will always wave at scooter riders!
Would you let a kid get on your Guzzi? I doubt it as he/she would not be able to handle it. Same with a car. New drivers should be restricted regarding horse power, just like young bikers.
Another moron that will get suspended.
Get good quality helmet and clothes. I consider myself a sensible road user, but mine did scare me in wet road conditions.
My overiding point was that mopeds are dangerously underpowered just as the ferrari in you silly example is dangerously overpowered.
We do not actively promote hyper cars to 17 year olds.
The difference is the quality control, specifications and the after sales support.
It's like how most baked beans are made in the same factories using pretty much the same ingredients but the end product can have different taste, texture and different consistently between batches.
As they are relatively unknown the resale value drops like crazy.
The moment you drive it off the court you'll be lucky to get more then £1k for it.
Add a few miles and resale after a few years your looking at around £500.
As they are relatively new to the UK the after sales is hit and miss depending on where your based.
They are a pain in the ****, have had tons of them over the years. They are awesome for power to weight ratio but that comes at the cost of reliability.
The wee coffee grinders I see on the road now are ideal for beginners.
Personally, this seems a really good deal, especially if you're living in a city and looking to use it to commute every day and run it into the ground. Much cheaper that public transport as the OP has pointed out.
I agree with some comments about mopeds being dangerous, although I'd suggest that this really only applies to open roads etc. Going through a city, it's no more dangerous than a push bike
So can safely wipe out some family with it
This is the problem now 17 yo nutters are in car,s now
On the argument of CBT, even if someone has a car licence and is able to drive this I would still urge them to complete the CBT because having a car licence really does not mean you can ride two wheels.
To name a few differences, road positioning, cornering and the correct looks really need to be drummed home if you want to stay alive on two wheels. All of which are different to driving a car.
Thanks and I don't want to compare Taiwan make or Chinese make scooter which is better, just want to point this out.
I understand there are loads of Chinese scooter (in much lower price range) flooding the market in the last few years. For myself, I would definitely buy a Taiwanese scooter over Chinese make for all sort of practical reasons.
Having said that, Kymco are tuff and reliable in NZ's muddy and rain sodden farming conditions.
My son has just bought a 2 year old Bennelli 49x for £400 and it's been great and we'll probably get that back next year when sold too. Luck of the draw on getting used bike with no issues but hey, at least it's somewhere to start on basic mechanics etc.
Up to 125 is legal learner which means as long as you have a car or provisional licence, are 17 or over and have a valid cbt certificate you can get ride up to a 125, the other l plates and with a few restrictions.
Cbt costs about £100, takes about 8hours and is valid for two years.
Anyone who passed there car test after 2001 the cbt gives them the AM (moped) licence permanently.
50ccs are limited to 28mph where as 125 have no limit outside the A1 engine spec most will do 60mph+ some of the high end ones 70mph+
Makes a hell of a lot of different if your ever planning on using roads faster then 30mph
Mine's only a 125cc - but if needed you can drop a gear or 2 and floor it. If you're doing 30 on a 50cc moped and need to speed up in a hurry you don't stand a chance.
All I do know is that Chinese one she had was shoddy build quality, I had to re wire the indicator switch, and light switch after a month or so.
All I could say beware goods from Chinese PRC, some of them have no quality control at all, they just pouring and flooding the market to confuse customers so to gain maximum profits without any conscious in their mind eg 'catching fire' toys.
Showing off to friends and girl friends , dont have to be in flash car to danger to every one
I started on 50 cc 250 cc then Z 900 and learned respect safety also only person at great risk was myself
So dont think its bad idea for car drivers to see what its like to be vulnerable on motor cycle